for being there. my thanks to all. that does it deadline white house. mtp daily starts right now. if it's thursday, president trump is pushing the limits. >> right now the president is staking out an even more position on immigration and instead of trying to find a compromise solution to keep children from being separated from their parents at the border, he seems to be testing just how far he could drag the republican party with him on the issue of immigration. we've heard near unanimous agreement from gop members who have spoken publicly about this. the hard liners, the moderates

agree things have gone too far. they want this child separation policy ended, and they'll be presenting the president with legislation to do it. in less than 30 minutes the president is scheduled to meet with republicans on capitol hill and discuss the issue. we'll be keeping an eye on those proceedings. but as republicans cramble for a way to undo the administration's zero-tolerance policy, the president looks as if he's ready to steam roll them. this afternoon he painted migrant member as a threat to your family. >> they endanger their children in the process and frankly they endanger all of our children. you see what happens with ms-13, and we're allowing these people into our country. not with me. we're taking them out by the thousands. smugglers know how the system works. they game the system.

they game it. it's see easy for them. they're smart. >> that cheering audience, the mfib. for those in washington you're probably going, really, they're cheering. and president also seemed to reject a proposal by senator ted cruz who wanted to hire more judges to correct the problem. >> we don't want more people coming in. when we release the people, they never come back to the judge anyway. they're gone. they're in the system. if they're good that's great. but if they're bad you'll have killings, murders, this, that, you'll have crime. you'll have crime. >> the country's people are fleeing from, well the president is vowing to punish them. >> remember these countries that we give tremendous foreign aid to in many cases, they send these people up, and they're not sending their finest. does that sound familiar?

remember i made that speech and i was badly criticized. oh, what's so terrible what he said? turns out i was 100% right. that's why i got elected. when countries abuse us by sending their people up, not their best, we're not going to give anymore aid to those countries. why the hell should we? why should we? >> by the way, the foreign aid threat, not sure really how that works and it's obviously something not serious. but still -- and to top it all off today he characterized the situation at the border as an infestation. he tweeted the following, democrats want illegal immigrants dorted to and infest our country with ms-13 members. at this moment you'd think there'd be a consensus in congress for a bill that ends the policy breaking up families at the border.

ask yourself, is this president's rhetoric what you'd expect to hear from someone who's going to get rid of a zero-tolerance policy at the border, or is he someone who's going to fight like heck for it? are there enough republicans willing to fight against it, fight with him? i think we're all about to find out. joining me now is julia ansley, she's been following the trump administration policy at the border and also jeff bennett, daniel and howard, also animist nbc contributor. julia, let me start with you. i know dhs held a call today. did we learn anymore, did we get anymore photos, where the girls are being kept since they only showed photos of the boys? what have we learned from our government today? >> that call is more of the

same. it's like the administration keeps thinking this is messaging problem. and we hear this from dhs and hhs, they think if the president reported this correctly everyone would be an their side. but that's a really strange thing especially when they're not answering our questions. where are those girls? we know they led journalists into detention facilities, but they've only seen boys about age 10 and up. we want to know where the boys are, where the toddlers are. >> what did they say when you ask? >>tist sort of the same thing when secretary wilson came kristen welker at the press briefing. like oh, we'll work on that for you, what are you talking about? that's the kind of answer the press secretary gave kristen welker. they want to paint the image of these people being teenage boys who look like they could be

ms-13 members. but i think the message is slipping away from them. the doesn't look like from people you talk to on the hill it that's sinking in. the republicans don't seem to be sinking in, and we've reported so many stories from the contrary. we've talked about children ages 0 to 12 being held at border stations before they even get to the care of health and human services. we've reported today the i.c.e. director said some of these children could be separated permanently because it's so hard to navigate the system to get your child back even after being deported. so the images, they're just not working. >> this has been trump's immigration rhetoric. actually, this is just his public rhetoric. let me put up this thing. infest, thugs, if fillerate, killers, pas massive crime, crime infested, breeding,

pouring into our culture. he's trying to paint a very sad picture of immigrants. >> this contuntry has a pretty poor history of welcoming immigrants at times of need. and the challenge for us is that the president believes he's speaking to somebody who's listening. i'm not actually sure who the president's constituents are. >> you were a little shook on that. >> you like to think this a fringe view. i like to consider america one of the most welcoming countries in the world. and the reality is economic immigrants, people who are coming here should go through a system. we should have a system, we should have appropriate number, appropriate ways to deal with them at the border. a country is defined in many ways by its borders and that's acceptable. the problem is two fold. one that the president seems to think by separating children

from their parents he's somehow leveraging immigrants and illegal immigrants to not do this. that doesn't work. and skdly he thinks he seems be speaking to a nasty cruel nativist group of people that frankly i don't think of them as americans. >> it's a small business trade association, i've never associated that group with that kind of like nativism. it shocked me a little bit. maybe it's just individual member. maybe it's a handful of people. i'm shocked by that kind of -- >> well, if donald trump shocked you, chuck, he did what he wanted to do. it's also ironic in that the nfig which is supposed to represent small businesses, that's a sector of the economy which historically has relied on the sweat and labor of immigrants. >> many of them probable violated the law by hiring -- >> right and i guarantee a number of small business owners

are half a ticket away from being immigrants themselves. this took me back when donald trump announced his candidacy. i thought i was back in the marble lobby of the trump tower when as he said, that's how i got elected. >> yeah. >> and he believes in his mind and he has now surrounded himself, chuck. he's gotten rid of the chaff, he's got the kernels of anger he wanted around him. he's got steve miller, jeff sessions. he's got the people who are there to shock and play by his rules. now, mitch mcconnell who i've covered for 40 years going back to kentucky, he's my weather vane. that shows mitch is trying to protect the people. >> and probably the president. >> i just got a tweet from one of mcconnell's people, what makes you think trump would veto

this? >> i'm curious, i'm going to play a mash up we put in. when we say that republicans are basically striking for the president to stop this, let me play the mash up. >> i support and all the members of the republican conference support a plan that keeps families together. >> all of us who are seeing these images of children being pulled away from moms and dads in tears, we're horrified. >> it's not american to do this, families and children coo we should keep them together. >> the white house should change this, and they should. this is mistake. >> the zero-tolerance policy is their making. >> there's no justification for families being separated. >> our default every time should be to keep families together. >> using kids in this way is not right, it's just not right. >> has any of this, this is

primal scream from republicans on capitol hill, is it having any effect? >> no, i talked to one political strategist who has the ear of the white house, and he said, look -- what it's going to do is it's going to turn off suburban women, and of course democrats are hoping suburban women break for them and potentially hand them control of congress. look, republican need a president who's in damage control mode, not a president who's intent on being a one man wrecking crew. and over the weekend i think the white house could have pivoted and said one hand didn't know what the other was doing and now we're going to pivot. that's what a traditional administration would have done. but now we see the president doubling down on this, which gives him levolog he, and this big bill he wants that would address border funding and

stricter border enforcement and all that stuff, it's not going to happen anytime soon. >> hut are you hearing from hhs and dhs from the rank and file who have to implement this policy? >> i got a text the other day that says this place is imploding, chuck. and i'm hearing they're trying to double down on messaging, while the rank and file are saying this isn't message, this is more. i hear this from people talking to me on from border patrol. they say, look, the reason they're having to cross illegally is because we haven't been able to resource these border stations. these are the ports of entry people are allowed to present themselves for asylum, come legally. but there was actually an intentional act not to move more people down there as we saw that migrant caravan and floods of other families and populations come up to the border. hhs, the whole trump administration pulled back, they didn't send anything else. so the rank is file is saying

this is problem. we didn't send people down there, we forced these people to go down illegally and now you're forcing us to arrest them. they're law enforcement, the leave, and the rule of law, and the lard liners when it comes to immigration maybe not politically so, but they see this as a self-inflicted crisis and one they don't want to be a part of. >> you realize what she's saying here is donald trump said earlier, you know, that's not true, we're not separating family. and the truth is if you go and present yourself at a port of entry you're nut separated. but by deliberately gumming up the works they're cynically shifting people over to the illegal route where families are separated. >> it's interesting, i was talking -- what it's worth to back up on this after i interviewed the head of border patrol, i had simply asked him. i said, you know, i thought we were supposed to get more

immigration judge. and he says will somebody ask doj when they're going to hire them? >> first of all, let's not conflate people who are requesting asylum with people who are illegal immigrants. first of all, there's no question that this has become a problem, that requesting asylum has become a way around the system. >> the bush administration, obama administration, they all faced it and those two were just unwilling to do this. >> right, and it is something that worst yet for all of us is that human traffickers take advantage of this, because this has become a pathway to illegal immigration. and there's no question they're manipulating the system and manipulating people who are not going to be asylumees in this country, and that's how they ended up separated in the obama administration and the bush administration. one second. the problem is not what the facts and mechanisms are. the problem is that the trump administration seems to think

this is pretty cool outcome. >> yes. they're embracing it. oh, this is great. they don't -- this is -- this is a benefit, not necessarily a flaw. >> and to your point remember when jeff sessions rolled out this policy he talked ubadding about 20 more judges to handle the crisis -- >> i thought there should be 100. >> and then ted cruz calls for adding a couple more hundred judges. the president said why do we need to hire thousands more judges. >> and somebody also said he doesn't want them in, he doesn't want asylum seekers to succeed. >> but i would also say democrats see a tremendous democratic opportunity here. they put a bill forward. now it's not just a bill because mitch mcconnell has a bill. >> that's where they could -- look, everybody has a danger of sort of overplaying. go solve with the problem with a

kid. >> exactly right. >> thank you very much. you've got to go back and do some reporting i get that. panel, you are stuck with me. in just a few minutes i think we're going to see the president arrive at capitol hill. he'll be there in a minute to meet with house republicans on immigration. and up next we're going to talk to one of the few reporters who's been inside one of these detention centers where the kids have been separated from their families. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you ♪ this scientist doesn't believe in luck. she believes in research. it can take more than 10 years to develop a single medication.

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families are getting separated and it's creating this crisis on the border. the bord bor patrol says in areas like this it has not deterred people from crossing. >> and we're back. that was my colleague jacob along the u.s.-mexico border today earlier today. attorney general jeff sessions and white house chief of staff john kelly have actually said this is policy that was intended to be used as a deterrent. and the department of homeland security tells jacob it could be weeks before they see the policy deterring anyone from leaving central america. meanwhile thousands of children have been taken from their parents at processing ands. jacob, i feel like you're spending more time in front of the cameras the last few hours, and i apologize for that. but frankly you're our witness account, first-hand account.

first of all, tell me what you've seen today. >> well, i want to talk to you about what i've heard and seen. i've been inside this facility. it's the border patrol processing station central to all of this. more than 1,100 kids have been separated just in this sector, along the entire southern border. i saw that that. i saw the mattresses on the floor, i saw the cages inside. what i heard today was kristen nielsen, the echoes of what she heard yesterday, she's been inside today. but from our colleagues today we found out she's never been inside here. she's been in a detention facility in arizona after this policy was announced. but the secretary of homeland security is talking about the policy that's separating kids from their parents at a rate that's never, ever been done before, has not been to if

facility at the center of it all. >> who's the highest government official that has from the trump administration? >> maybe the sector chief of the border patrol, emmanuel padia. i wonder if the representative from the border patrol commissioner you had on last week has ever been sighted here and seen what's going on in here. it's just this disconnect between what's going on in washington, d.c. and what is playing out on the ground right now. and guess what? they're still coming. they're coming across the boards boarder today at rates they've been coming across the border before this policywi was enacte. >> i was just going to say words has gotten around i assume this isn't going to take weeks to get out there. so i think, you know, there's some sort of fantasyland here where they think people that have decided to trek hundreds of miles risking their life is

somehow, oh, no, i'm not going to go all the way? do they not understand why these folks leave? >> they're some of the most desperate people i've ever met in imy entire life, chuck. they're fleeing violence and persecution. why else would you go sit on a bridge at a port of entry for weeks at a time to get into the the united states. i sat down with the chief of the sector today and i asked him, they've been floating these lines which are ridiculous talking about there's fraud in the system, and i said how many families out tof percentage of people you've apprehended are are fraudulent. out of tens of thousands, 1% of them are phony families trying to make their way in here. it's just phony math. >> and the fraud, correct me if i'm wrong, the fraud is actually

fraud many of these immigrants have committed against them, right? they're paying people in order to get through the trek safely, and those are the scam artists, and those are bad people. but they're not -- they're scamming the immigrants, aren't they? >> we're talking about cayotes south of the border. and they are. they're taking advantage of the people coming across the southern border, and these car tell organizations have gotten so strong because of the drug wars down there. but these people are victims of the crimes. not because they're stupid but they're desperate. they're trying to get into this country anyway they can, and those car tells are controlling that territory down there. and if the government wanted to focus on solving a problem, they'd figure out how to eradicate the car tells and do some diplomacy and economic development because these people are coming here to basically save their own lives, chair

their lives forever. that's what they're hoping to do in the united states. and instead we're putting them in this building and now taking their kids away from them at rates we've never seen historically before. >> if you just walked in right now, would they kick you out? >> no. and you know who else isn't letting us in, is the department of health and human services. >> meaning you would not be allowed to go in. >> they're saying there's going to be another media tour of this facility. what about the other detention centers, there are those too. and haven't seen the girls, haven't seen the children. they offered to give us pictures of 2016 before this policy is enacted and i said no thank you, we'll wait for our tour. >> jacob, amazing work you're doing there, brother. hang in there. see if you can stay awake. much appreciated. get some espresso if you have to. you're looking now at capitol

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trying at this point to try and get facts first. we're going to start with comments about those children in detention centers. >> we want to solve this problem. we want to solve family separation. i don't want children taken away from parents. >> in fact, taking children away from their parents is the policy of the trump administration. just ask attorney general jeff s sessions. >> if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> next, crime in germany. >> their crime is up more than 10% since they started taking in immigrants. >> he was referring to migrant crisis in europe. i'm is down in germany. although the president may have been cherry picking an old violent crime number from an individual german state, and now by the way he claimed maybe the

germans are making up new better numbers. next, the justice department inspector general's report and hillary clinton. >> when you read that i.g. report about how she got way with what she away with it's a disgrace, a total disgrace. >> in fact, the i.g. report did not seek to file charges. >> nobody would believe these numbers. we have created more than 3.4 milli 3.4 million new jobs since election day. >> he is right, sort of. just not how he sold it. yes, as he says 3.4 million jobs have been created since the 18 months since his election. but people might have been more inclined to believe that if they also believed this. that in the months before mr. trump's election, 3.9 jobs were

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going to brief me on later, and i'm going to make changes to. we have one chance to get it right. we might as well get it right or let's just keep it going. but let's do it right. >> now, house republican source tells nbc news that had bill would require dhs to house families together while parents are going through criminal proceedings for first time elegal border crossing and it adds funding for family residential centers. that's what's in the bill now. before a fired up president trump meet with his republican comrades in just a few moments. and no matter what senator mitch mcconnell is signaling those proposals are basically dead on arrival in the senate. joining me now is our msnbc correspondent. help me out here a little bit on the scene on capitol hill, it really feels as if, again, more republicans are trying to distance themselves from the

president's policy. i saw mark meadows is the latest. you got a list of senators signing onto this. is the president going to hear primal screams inside that house republican conference today? >> reporter: i doubt it, chuck. not if repeat history is any guide. remember it wasn't that long ago the president was coming here to talk to senate republicans amid all this furor an aide had made about john mccain. and we all thought the president would get chewed out by some of his republican colleagues and that wasn't the case. >> mr. president, are you going to shutdown the government over the wall? >> there you go. we had to let a little sound happen there, garret. no worries there. looks like that's a no to that shouted question. >> reporter: yeah, sure, so bottom line, chuck, there are republicans, one republican house member, mike hoffman from

colorado for example, says he plans to bring up the separation issue in this meeting today. but the president has tended to dominate dominate the conversations in these meetings. remember the of this meeting originally was to deal with those two house immigration votes that were supposed to happen this week. but this family separation story has completely dominated that, essentially blown it out of the news cycle, and you've had mitch mcconnell saying today he only wants to consider a narrow solution. he essentially threw the president a lifeline saying the senate would take this up, even though the senate republicans have been telling me for days this see this as a white house problem the white house needs to solve. if that doesn't square with what they're doing in the house we could be in for another couple of days of this mess at the very least. >> house republicans alone open to a stand alone bill? to me mark meadows is you've got the freedom caucus willing to do

stand alone, i would assume that would have an impact on house republican leadership, but you tell me. >> reporter: well, that certainly would makes things easier. the freedom caucus has been a thorn in the side on any of these going back years and years. that does make it easier for the speaker. remember this has been a painstaking effort for republicans in leadership and all factions of the house to get to this point they can have that at all. we're at a tenuous moment here in this new crisis of the family separation issue has really thrown everyone here for a loop on both sides in both chambers, chuck. >> let me put this up here. let me read you this list of republican senators who have signed the hach letter, just temporarily stop this. mccain, pat roberts, john

boseman, dean heller john cassidy, and apparently rob portman has signed that list. it is not the donald trump way of the republican party. >> don't forget bush came out very strongly and donald trump, jr. said i'm not holding a fund-raiser for you. it was pretty close. >> i would call it the skeptical trump movement. >> if anything, that kind of thing will embolden donald trump not to do it. as a matter of fact, i think this whole issue makes the passage of any bill much more difficult because donald trump's reaction when a new issue comes into something he thinks he controls is to reject the whole thing. and then he's basically going to say, you want to wait until september to shutdown the government so i can get my money that way, i'm going to do it. >> and we should say we don't

need a law to solve this crisis at the border. all the president has to do is pick up the phone and say you know what, this policy isn't worth it, let's end it mooch . to your point, this is not a bill becomes a law. when he told fox news he wasn't going to sign a moderate version, as soon as that happened you saw republicans pull the bill from the floor. even today garret made clear he has people in his own administration working with republicans on the hill to get these bills together, the president said you know what, i reserve the right to change them. >> is this the first time, i would say not since charlottesville since he's been president, have we seen this many republicans willing to distance themselves from the president? "access hollywood" i would say was the biggest before that. as president i would say charlottesville where you saw a whole bunch of republicans were

like that's a bridge too far for me. do you see this as the breaking of sort the of base? >> no. i'm kind of with donald trump on this one. he got past charlottesville, why won't this flow over as well? this is man who learns from his experiences, and what he has learned is -- >> he got away with it. >> he gets away with everything. but i want to come back to something because eventually i want my own show on nbc, which is why doesn't congress do more? >> by the way, i don't think we would have the trump presidency if congress could figure how to do its job. >> people want to blame donald trump because we like blaming donald trump. and i agree with you there's a phone call that could be made. but the truth is this was a problem in the truobama administration, the bush administration. the underlying nut of the problem is america's. where the hell is congress?

>> but that's the irony here. i think that the harder line he draws, if i were somebody, if i were tom cotton right now i'm concerned i'll never get border security because trump's going to ruin that. >> that's what i think. the people who -- the fans of strong borders and tough vigilance on immigration should realize that donald trump is probably hurting their cause here, in my view. because there's going to be a huge reaction to this, and it's going to be emotional. and it's going to make the problem worse again. and by the way, donald trump said he wanted to come to washington to make it work. part of that is being able to accept the responsibility -- he's the guy with the strong enough arm to actually make congress work -- >> sad thing is he's probably the one guy who could -- >> he could actually do it, but he doesn't want it. >> he's never shown he's interested in solutions. >> and there's no incentive for

democrats to work with him. >> there's no is sentive for him to find a solution either. garret, you've got a lot of evening duty to work. >> we'll do our best, chuck. the panel sticks around. president trump behind closed doors, who knows what he's going to say. but here's what he said just moments as he was walking in. >> so the system has been broken for many years. the immigration system it's been a really bad, bad system. probably the worst anywhere in the world. we're going to try and see if we can fix it. >> mr. president, are you going to shutdown the government over the wall?

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jeff bennett, howard pletka, howard fineman. there's five key people running around the trump campaign that have never been interviewed by mueller, and the belief is mueller would never interview anyone he would potentially indict. manafort, brad parscal, and i'm leaving one out here, cohen, manafort, parscale. >> roger stone. >> roger stone. thank you very much. jeff sessions right now sort of in the cross hairs. everybody hates him on the immigration stuff on the left, and on the left sees him as a last man standing to protect the mueller probe. we'll let people digest that a minute. did anyone get asked about this at white house today, that the campaign manager is calling for sessions to be fired? >> i did and haven't gotten a response. here's the thing, i don't think he would have free llanced this. when i first saw the tweet i thought he was offering this up

as cable news catnip as a way to sort of turn the page away from it -- >> like a red flag, like, hey, stop paying attention to border story, pay attention to this. >> yeah, and i frankly haven't rolled away from that assessment. >> parscale is waving a red flag in front of mueller. >> well, my take on it is the people around donald trump and donald trump himself will do anything they can, including putting themselves further at risk of the animus of the special prosecutor to make the whole thing look political. so if a when brad parscale per chance is indicted he can say, well, i denounce the department of justice. i call frd ted for the firing o sessions, so of course they came after me. i mean that's the kind of level of their thinking. they're so desperate to make everything seem political, they'll even put themselves at risk to do it.

>> i'm still thinking of jeff sessions' mental state. can you imagine the president constantly berating you on an investigation, and on the other hand some people think you're the face of a heartless face of the administration. >> i didn't feel sorry for the man. >> does this mean he's leaving capitol hill? >> that's interesting because the meeting we were told it's less than an hour -- >> he must have had one meeting and moving to another. we obviously need to get to our capitol hill correspondent and find out where the president is going. this movement seemed to surprise a lot of folks. if we could get garret in a minute. >> i never thought i'd feel sorry for sjeff sessions, but that man is in a rotten place. >> i heard some people imply

he's taking this hard line on imgri immigration as a way to make up with the president. >> well, that may or may not be true. certainly having talked to jeff sessions before, i think this is his position. >> when steven miller was his lead administrative aid. >> i don't think he's pandering to the president. they all have to look at manafort and say that's fine, we can all take the position this is political. on the other hand, that man is in jail. are you willing to go to jail in order to make this seem political? it seems a dangerous calculus. >> i've covered jeff sessions a lot especially in the senate, and i think to some extent personally there's a part of that relishes being the odd man out. he's proud of that. but i also think there's an effort on his part to do everything other than what he did in recusing himself from the probe to ingratiate himself enough to keep his job.

and to -- look, donald trump has weeded everybody else that isn't a small trump in essence. jeff sessions is one of those people. >> by the way, we got a quick update, and it looks like the president was meeting with speaker ryan first, and what he was doing is walking to the big room for the conference. >> to your point i think that can be certainly said for keirsten nielsen. i think it's one of the ways she's trying to ingratiate herself and get back into the ingoi the good graces for the president. >> jeff, you're there every day. what do you see? >> we don't have any reporting that matches that, but you can look at the fact that scott pruitt still exists as director of the epa, the fact he is there is one indication of the way in which john kelly has really lost

favor with this white house. because he called for pruitt to be absent months ago. >> we have found a group of people who so are willing to ingratiate themselves to keep these position of power that their own prisms such as they are are completely irrelevant to them, is that possible? >> i think that's the final word because i fear that's what we're staring at. on that note, thank you. i didn't find you guys yucky, but the topic, yes. up ahead, better living the chris pratt way. i have type 2 diabetes.

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well in case you missed it, we are a nation divided but we can heel oftentimes in the most unlikely of sources. last night it was superstar chris pratt, superstar of the jurassic park movie. it's not some weird cobranding thing. he offered his nine rules of living to the next generation. here are just a few. >> breathe. if you don't you'll suffocate. you have a soul. be careful with it. your strength and intelligence can be weapons, and do not wield them against the weak. that makes you a bully. be bigger than that. doesn't matter what it is, earn it. a good deed, reach out to someone in pain, be of service. it feels good and it's good for

your soul. nobody is perfect. people are going to tell you you're perfect just the way you are. you're not. you are imperfect. and if you're willing to accept that, you will have grace. and grace is a gift. and like the freedom that we enjoy in this country, that grace was paid for with somebody else's blood. do not forget it. don't take it for granted. >> chris pratt, guardian of the galaxy, he's an avenger, but how about that moral compass? those are just great words. please don't polarize them, folks. he actually just had some decent things to say. that's all for tonight. the beat with ari melber starts right now. the humanitarian crisis donald trump created at the border continues to engulf his presidency right now. tonight we're going to give you live reports including from chris hayes in the field and also i have reports on holding white house aide steven