we will be back at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. and, of course, "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> welcome to trumpville. let's play "hardball.". >> these tents you see here meant to hold the children trump separated from their fathers and mothers stand as today's american reality. not a welcome mat, but a mat to lie on. trump put up these tents, president trump billed what senator tim kaine has christened the new trump hotels. look at them, just as one president is permanently known for hoovervilles, look at the shaqs for victims of the great depression there president is today the proprietor of the new trumpville packed with kids we've torn from their parents. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. president trump and his administration have been overwhelmed by the growing

public outcry over the new tent cities. and the zero tolerance policy behind them. the president just left the capital tonight after meeting with congressional house republicans to figure out some way out of this crisis he has manufactured. the atlantic is reporting on the issue of family separations, the president said, "this is a day, issue. the images are bad for us." the reporter added to the conference on immigration policy included little talk of immigration. ununable to stem citism, reply of trump's aides have embarked on a pr campaign to blame the congress. the president has the power. we're only enforcing the law. >> why not stop it? the president could put a pause on this while congress works out a solution. no, no, i'm curious into congress if they gave us the tools to adjudicate it. >> does president trump want to make the arguments the buck does not stop with him.

>> the buck stops with the people who make the laws in the country. >> the president seems defiant amid the backlash punched back earlier today. deebating from prepared remarks, he delivered a campaign style speech. >> people that come in, violate the law, endanger their children in the process. and frankly, they endanger all of our children. when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away. >> according to west now, the president sees immigration as a winning issue for him politically. complaining repeatedly in recent months he looks weak on border enforcement and has been concerned that his base could turn on him for not being tougher. west wing sources now tell axios president trump has shown "il indication they'll climb down from the zero tolerance border policy." the board of the washington

street journal warn there had has been a study in confusion. if he wants to lose the house and risk impeachment he'll take mr. bannon's bad advice and keep giving democrats a daily picture of children strip fad their parents. julia ains lis for nbc news and jonathan swan everyone ax koes. jonathan, is the president going to switch or is he going to fight. >> is he going to keep up this fight or climb down from that wall? >> that's the question i've been asking west wing officials all week. i have got no evidence that he is ready to flip this policy to make a unilateral action to flip this policy. but he's definitely feeling the pressure. he's definitely feeling the pressure and that house conference meeting that he just attended that elena from the atlantic reported on, he made clear in the meeting that the images are bad and this is a bad issue and needs to be fixed. the real question is, is he going to do it unilaterally?

is he going to tell jeff sessions to flip the policy? >> that would be a major climbdown. trump would see that as a huge loss. >> that kid in the red will grab a lot of hearts. these another one. julia, it's a standing situation when the first lady of the united states seems -- that's the picture, seems to be challenging the president. what gives? and rosalynn carter, as well and laura bush and all these -- i get they're speaking more for the country than trump is, my hunch. >> it's interesting that it's first ladies coming out. they're supposed to be showing the sympathetic side of america's moral character. this is a lot of people think is in jeopardy right now as the trump administration pursues this but apparently and as jonathan points out, that hasn't quite gotten through to the president at least not to the point he wants to change this policy. instead with this administration, they have doubled down on talking points. we had another press call today with all of the reporters

covering this and dhs and health and hup services. and they keep trying to tell us if we could just report this story accurately, everyone would understand it from their side. that he would be sympathetic toward the government. a lot of pictures being shown are actually provided to journalists from the government. they're not letting us into a lot of these facilities. so we're going on their pictures. so for the president to say we're cherry picking for secretary nielsen to say we are reporting false news and that these children are just being treated wonderfully, that is inaccurate. we are reporting a lot of what they are giving us here. >> let's look at this throughout the campaign, donald trump, candidate trump vowed to create deportation forces to help cut down on illegal immigration. let's watch what he said in the campaign. >> we're going to have a deportation force and do it humanely. >> we're going to triple the nub of i.c.e. deportation offices. we take anybody, come on in,

anybody. just come on in. not anymore. remember, under a trump administration, it's called america first. to choose immigrants based on popularity, merit. skill. and proficiency. doesn't that sound nice? >> our message to the world will be this. can you cannot obtain legal status or become a citizen of the united states by illegally entering our country. >> can't do it. >> these are asylum seekers not poor people from mexico, they're generally little coming from latin america coming from horrible countries at this point in terms of violence. they come asking for asylum. why don't we have faster processing? why aren't people judged whether

they have an a right to asylum or not so they downtown run against the 209-day limits. >> i don't know they would be eve or not. there's a question of resources and issues like that. this is a very clear policy decision to enforce the law for every single person who comes across the border illegally which is itself sucks up a lot of resources and again, is itself clearly an administrative decision. >> julia, when they come across, they can establish what country they're coming from. a latin american it, sfraul central american countries which have the vi leapt situations down there, they should be in a different category than just the person getting across the border from mexico who is poor and wants a better life here. they're in a particular category of asylum seekers. why are they putting them in jail. >> at this point, just because you are -- have been persecuted, hurt from a gang or domestic violence under the attorney gem's new standards, that is

doesn't qualify you for asylum. to the president's points about crossing illegally, it doesn't matter if you're claiming asylum if you are crossing what he would say illegally. that means between the ports of entry. what's interesting is when he talks about surging resources and tripling the number of enforcement officers from i.c.e., he doesn't mention sending more asylum officers. we don't know what happened to the surge in judges he wanted to bring which would increase the process you just laid out. instead, he wants to enforce the tough parts of the system and wants to make it so it is so hard to come clue legally and claim asylum that we're seeing immigrants be turned away. >> it's getting hotter and hotter. it's not going away. julia ansley and jonathan swan of axios. earlier today it, trump once again blamed democrats for the forced separations tweeting, "democrats are the problem. they don't care about crime and want illegal immigrants no matter how bad they be to pour

into and infest our country like ms-18. they can't view on their terrible pols so they view them as potential voters." which republicans join the congress. >> joining me is massachusetts senators elizabeth warren. if you were president, what would you do? >> oh, come on. this isn't even hard. it is entirely up to the president of the united states. all he has to do right now is pick up the phone and say to jeff sessions, say to the department of hope land security, stop. and do not separate children from their parents. do not rip babies out of the arms of their mothers and we're done. >> so the parents who are going on trial because they're applying for asylum would the kids stay with them. >> how would you that working. > sure, you can make them work. you don't have to prosecute them criminally. let's keep in mind what we're talking about, taking women who have been raped, beaten, who fear for their lives who flee to the united states asking for

asylum and for the act of asking, from the united states government, because of donald trump, is ripping their children away from them. that is not who we are. >> we know the situation. they come to a port of entry, fine. if they come across the border illegal illegally, we see pictures of this it, when they come across, they'll be held for a while. there's a 20-day requirement. you have to release them after 20 days. trump calls that is catch and release. if they wait it out the 20 days, they get to stay in the united states. >> no, no, no, come on. if you want to pick people up because they've entered them illegally, get them from front of a judge. we have a process for doing there. if someone has a credible claim to make nor amnesty, a credible claim to make that they want asylum, let them make the claim. you don't take their children away because they asked. >> you must have watched

secretary of security nielsen yesterday. do you think she should resign? did you like that performance? >> no, i did not. before she has a chance to resign, she should be fired. >> you don't blame trump, you blame her? >> no, what i'm saying is he should get rid of her. all of this goes back to donald trump. >> you're a political person as well as a policy person. trump's playing this like a banjo. he's revving up his base with this, the red hots on immigration attitudes. he's playing it, you know he's going to play it in the election. it's not just her, it's him. >> i don't see it this way. i think there are some things in america that go beyond politics and trump may think he's playing a little game here. but ultimately, this one hits deep where america lives. not just democrat america, republican america, independent america, people who just don't care about politics. people who say this is not what america does, we do not put

small children in cages. we do not separate them from their parents. >> will this move people against trump, will people begin to see him as a bad guy now? >> what i care about is people push trump to stop this. that's where we need to be right now. and it's keeping in mind, this is not about legislation, this is not about anything else. this is appealing to the president of the united states, this is insisting as loudly as we can to the president of the united states, this is not who we are in america. he is taking america to a dark and ugly place. >> is there anything you can do? is the senate frozen out of the action here? >> i think this is about trump. >> you can't pass legislation. >> it's not a question of whether or not we could pass legislation over a long process. this is happening to children tonight while we're sitting here. trump could stop it before we get to the end. >> i wrote this question out. what should we do, if you were

president, when people come here from central america with children, and they come across the border illegally, how would you handle this as as opposed to how the president is handling this? >> we would detain them, take them in front of a court but we would not separate families. we just don't do that. >> that's doable under the law even though they have the 20-day rule? >> i think we can do that and put the resources into it. >> why is trump doing this? >> i don't know. i can't get into donald trump's head and i don't want to get inside his head. >> do you think he's irrational. it doesn't matter. whatever it is he's doing, it's not for mee me to speculate. the point is it's wrong. >> jeff sessions is calling this policy -- >> anything that takes us away from this conversation. >> i'm with you. >> you say -- you said that kirstjen nielsen should go. she should be fired. what about jeff sessions, her boss, not her boss but account one who set this policy out? he said he wants zero tolerance. he's the boss on this policy.

>> donald trump is the boss. let's be clear. it's donald trump, this is on donald trump. >> she goes but sessions stays. >> he owns it, we're done. >> how about jeff sessions? should he go? >> you know, he's got a lot going on right now. >> i know because he's protecting the special prosecutor. >> he's got a lot going on. >> this is the weird politics of this it, jeff session who's is a nasty immigrant guy, you know that. >> no kidding. > at the same time he is keeping things together on the prosecution confident russian probe. >> let me make though. >> you just said that. >> i know that. let me make the coherent point around there. that is the sorts of things that the homeland security secretary got out and defended yesterday, come on. this is not what we should be doing for homeland security but all of it is back to donald trump and the tip is to stay on donald trump. if donald trump does not want children taken away from their mothers at the borders he fixes it now. if he fails to do that, the blame does not fall on anyone

else, the blame falls squarely on donald trump. >> does the republican party sayre that blame for backing him? >> everyone in america who does not speak out shares that blame. this is not politics. >> thank you. well said. senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, thank you for coming on. crisis at the border. trump keeps pushing the false story that democrats are to blame for the separation of children from their parents. everyone knows that's not true. even some republicans are starting to call trump out for it. that's ahead. plus the russian connection. that newly revealed meeting between roger stone and a russian is another example of trump's people meeting with russians and then denying it. there's a pattern to all this. don't you think? the "hardball" roundtable on how long republicans will put up with a border crisis. plus john kelly's increasingly let trump do what he wants to do even if john kelly fears it's leading to impeachment. let me finish tonight with trump watch. there is "hardball" where the action is. little things can be a big deal.

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well, the trump administration today announced it's withdrawing from the united nations human rights council. claiming in part that the body's biased against israel. the announcement was made early this evening by secretary of state mike pom pompeo and nikki haley. here's haley. >> for too long, the human rights council has been a protector of human rights abusers and cesspool of political bias. regrettably it is now clear that our call for reform was not heeded. i want to make it crystal clear that this step is not a retreat from the human rights commitments. on the contrary, we take this step because our commitment does not allow us to remain a part of a hypocritical and self-serving organization that makes a mockery of human rights. >> well with, the move comes just one day after the u.n.'s top human rights official criticized the trump's administration's zero tolerance

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it is not possible as a matter of law to detain and remove whole family units who arrive illegally in the united states. congress and the courts created this problem and congress alone can fix it. >> welcome back to "hardball." that was homeland security secretary kirstin nielsen yesterday falsely blaming congress for the trump administration policy of straighting children from their parents at the border. president trump wrapped up a meeting with house republicans that was intended to focus on their draft comprehensive immigration bill. earlier today, the president insists 80s congress's job to fix the family separation policy and once again pointed the finger at democrats. >> all we need is good legislation and we can have it taken care of. we have to get the democrats to

go ahead and work with us. >> but amid intense backlash, even the president's republican allies are now pushing back calling for an immediate end to the family separation policy. >> zero tolerance policy can be changed. >> zero tolerance policy is is of their making. > the white house could change it in five minutes and should. it's a mistake. >> it's not american to do this. we're for families and children and for keeping them together. >> all of us are horrified at the images we're seeing. we're seeing littleboy,s, little girls pulled away from their mothers and fathers. >> one of those senators orrin hatch is asking his colleagues to sign a letter to attorney general jeff sessions calling for a more tore rum on separations at the border till congress can act. i'm joined by congressman ryan costello, republican everyone

pennsylvania, veronica escobar democratic candidate for texas' 16th candidate. ryan, congressman, what did you hear about immigration news worthy tonight from the president. >> he's going to support the compromise bill which would solve the daca problem, would address border security and would address the family separation issue but i do want toke cothe comments that some of my colleagues on in the senate made and that is congress doesn't need to fix this. the administration can fix this itself. but his supporting the compromise bill that we're whipping right now would be a step toward addressing the family separation issue. >> just a point i'm interested in, is there any part of this comprehensive moderate republican proposal on immigration that deals with exploitation of cheap labor illegal immigrants coming in this country and being force ed because of their circumstance to work for nothing? is there anything in there about that in this bill? >> no, no. >> of course not. that's why it's a republican bill.

let me go to veronica on this, thank you. congressman maybe to be. congratulations on your race. you got the nomination. >> thank you. >> the trump people are very good at portraying the democrats not you personally but all democrats as open border people. correct that statement. are you an open border person. >> no, i'm not. and frankly, chris, i mean that's really kind of a tired complaint that is factually inaccurate. >> it's current. >> it is current. here's what else is current, chris. today when we heard president trump speaking to the group, he was speaking to a very narrow group of white nationalists. it is now up to the country to the members of his base who are not white nationalists to put pressure on the president. the i don't know what that republican bill, the legislation that representative costello was talking about, i don't know what it holds for border communities like mine.

frequently, legislation like this uses our communities along the u.s.-mexico border has red meat for xenophobes and people hope are anti-immigrant. i'm concerned. i'm imploring with americans, with american who's voted for trump, american who's supported him who are not part of that narrow white nationalist group to reach out to the president and tell him this is unacceptable, please, mr. president, don't tie it to immigration reform, don't tie it to any other legislation. just pick up the phone and call jeff sessions and end this. >> what should we do if you're a member of congress, what would you do, i should put down, to deal with people coming from central america seeking asylum who crossed illegally? what should their situation be when they get here. >> it's so important to tell it the american public the facts. migration is still at historic

lows in our country. even with the ebb and flow, even when when we have increases on a regular or irregular basis, we're still seeing immigration at hick lows. border communities like mine are safe. and among the safest in the nation. it's important to get the truth out. >> what do we do with asylum seekers from central america? >> first and foremost, you don't rip their children away from them in a way that will make it nearly impossible to get them back together to reunify them. that's number one. number two, there are alternatives to detention. you don't have to detain people who are here seeking asylum. there are progressive communities across the country who have figured out how to deal with their jail populations, el paso is among them and you can have gps ankle monitors, you can have intensive follow-up. you can have meootings.

that is far cheaper than the $134 per person a day that it takes to detain people. you can still give them due process. >> i'm told that doesn't work. people melt into the population. you never hear from them again. >> that's not true. and that may happen among some of the folks who come over without documents. but i heard the president say today that no one shows up to their hearings. he said no one. i want to applaud the media for finally calling a lie a lie. you need to continue to do that. that was a lie. we need to tell the truth about immigrants and asylum seekers and we are using the united states, the federal government is using some ankle monitoring gps systems now. you just expand that and hire more personnel to follow up with folks. there's a far more humane more cost efficient, a better system, and i also want to say, chris, the united states of america

takes in far fewer an sighees and refugees than other countries. >> thank you very much for coming on. veronica. congressman costello, what do you think the republican position on immigration is? you look like the party that's certainly anti-illegal immigrant and perhaps generally anti-immigrant from mexico? are you confident with that image of being anti-mexican in a sense? barletta is running on the issue in pennsylvania as an anti-immigrant force. >> well, i'm not comfortable with that perception, no. i do think that the policy that the administration has unilaterally taken here reinforces that negative perception that some have of the party to directly address your question on what we should do, number one, we should more judges can means that the predetention stay for those illegally crossing seeking asylum will be expedited so they get through the system quicker, number two, if we keep this

entirely withind hs, we don't separate the children. it's operated by just one agency. and then number three, and i think most importantly, is this issue. and that is, we cannot look in the mirror and say that this is the kind of policy that we can -- this is not durable, right? if this copies for weeks on end, this is going to get a lot lot worse. and it's going to really spoil any appetite for trying to address there is in a way where we can come back together again. people are becoming more upset by the day over this. >> i agree and i think you sound right. i think it was very honest of you to say the republicans are not addressing the exploitation of cheap labor here which is a big part of the draw on illegal immigration. thank you, ryan costello and veronica escobar. >> trump coils to blast the russia investigation calling it

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election, it did not jog your memory, did not come to the surface of your mind even in preparing for sworn testimony to the house intelligence committee? it didn't occur to you that that's something -- that it happened in your life? >> it didn't at all. >> that was former trump campaign adviser michael caputo on this show last night saying that a key russian contact escaped his mind when he testified under oath before the house intelligence committee. according to mr. caputo he and his associate roger stone had the same inability to remember that a russian haimed henry greenberg offered to sell them dirt on hoda kotb in 2016. here's how stone described his memory lapse the other day. >> i had no memory of this is was an innocuous exchange. this guy shows up wearing a megahat and trump t-shirt, makes this offer i decline nothing inappropriate happened here and i have now refreshed my

committee and informed the committee. >> refresh my memory as an active verb. >> rudy giuliani also downplayed the significance of the disclosure because he says nothing ultimately claim of the meeting. >> it seems to me however, whatever the recollection differingrections about this it sort of gets resolved with the fact stone did nothing about it, came to the conclusion according to post it was a waste of time. he and greenberg came to the conclusion it was a waste of time. >> now that they've disclosed it two years after it happened they're claiming they were set up by the fbi. the meeting with governorburg is another point of contact that reportedly took place between trump associates and russians. they offered dirt to george papadopoulos and donald trump jr., however no one disclosed those overtures to the fbi. joining me is shannon pettypiece and juliet sorenson is, former u.s. assistant attorney.

i want to start on the media part. it seems like there was almost like water trying to get into a ship from russia. from all points in russian trying to get something that had turned the election againhillar clinton. trying to get in. and there's always somebody there saying come on in. let's talk about. >> because this is all happening in a backdrop where we now know russian government was actively interfering in our election on social media and a number of different methods. this idea there were so many meetings between trump campaign associates and russians that that is what was setting off alarm bells in the intelligence community. 2015 and 2016 and the summer of 2016, this idea of why is the trump campaign meeting with so many russians who are adversaries of ours. >> juliet, legally, can a guy or

a person say two years after they testified under oath i have jogged my memory? i've refreshed, i love there phrase, i've refreshed my memory and realize yes, i did on all those occasions i did get a contact from -- my name is roger stone and yes, i did call the guy and called and told how the meeting went. all these incidents in which there was contact with the russians at least in this episode and says i just now remembered after two years saying i don't remember anything. is that legal. >> can you just say that. >> can they legally say it. whether or not robert mueller and members of congress believe it is another question. >> so what's going to happen if they decide these guys were lying all the time, that they did know about the meetings with the russians and decided deliberately not to tell the congress when asked the question under oath? >> a deliberate lie under oath is perjury. it is a crime. they have criminal exposure for

falsely testifying. it seems to me they're trying to make up for that belatedly and it's going to be a credibility assessment. did something happen that jogged their memory and did they actually testify in good faith before these house committees? omitting there seemingly extremely significant encounter given the nature of the congressional investigation as well as that of the special counsel. or was it a deliberate lie. at the end of the day, they're going to be fact finders making up their minds about that. >> rudy giuliani appears to be cleaning up some statements he made last week, refreshing his mind. on friday, giuliani appeared to dangle a pardon for paul plfrt manafort saying things might get cleaned up with some presidential pardons. isn't that dainty. isn't that of? >> hoarse what he had to say today. >> does the president want to the pardon manafort.

>> he not going to pardon anybody. i can only say that during the investigation. the point i was trying to make, after it's over, he's got the power to pardon. i will have nothing to say about it. have no effect from the investigation. >> he starts out by saying he'll clean it up. that is so interesting. clean it up like -- >> right because of course, it could be seen as trying to is influence or sway testimony of witnesses in an ongoing investigation. it is a very dangerous path to walk down. >> he says after it's all over, we'll have a flow, a spray of pardons that gets everybody off the hook. >> the president's been showing it through his actions. the pardoning of scooter libby was an incredibly crystal clear sign. >> dangle. >> if you were treated unfairly, if it was obstruction of justice, if it was you know, lying to investigators that these are crimes he was willing to overlook so i don't think giuliani needs to say it. the president has shown it with

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from families on the border have been shown all over mainstream news as journalists is report on the conditions at the housing facility, the tent city for children. viewers of right wing outlets may be getting a different story. don't you think? let's watch. >> these child actors weeping and crying on the other networks 24/7 right now do not fall for it, mr. president. >> kids are being separated from their parents and temporarily housed in what are essentially

summer camps. >> these kids gecht in working class neighborhoods into our society and then have to be paid for by english as a second language and then schooled and a lot of them, sadly, in my neighborhood, turn into ms-13. >> this is one of those moments that tells you everything about a ruling class. they care far more about foreigners than about their own people. no matter what they tell you, this is not about helping children. a lot of people yelling at you on tv don't even have children. their goal is to change your country forever. they're succeeded by the way. >> let's bring in tonight's roundtable. heidi przybilla, steve mcmahon, co-founder of purple strategies, a democratic strategist and michael steele is a political analyst. michael, how is your party reacting to that clamor of denial? >> they embrace it and it becomes a warm blanket for them.

i've never heard such wholesale ignorant blather about this subject as you just played in that montage. particularly at the ends where talker carlson talked about those people don't even have children. oh, really. >> what's that supposed to mean. >> you know exactly what it means. >> another dog whistle. >> yes, they embrace this and they wear it like a cloak of honor. because they're doing something about the immigration problem in this country. it just goes to the core and people don't like to hear this but let's deal with the truth. the browning of this country has set off alarm bells for a lot of the white folks and you hear it displayed night after night on fox news by those talking heads. parroting out and repeating this fear and driving it. >> using that reference of parroting it out and talking heads, these little child stars, these little hispanic, latino, mexican, all trained in acting skills. >> probably have a union number. >> they can cry on cue and

they're about 3 years old. >> the desperation is not these children. it's what you see on these television commentators going on and on about. >> why are they doing it. >> why don't they just say you got us on this one, this sucks. this is terrible publicity. why don't they say that to trump? this makes us look bad. the people who have run campaigns are saying it to trump. but the people who have run in red states like jeff sessions and steven mill remember saying this is great politics. it's terrible politics. >> heidi, right now, more than half republicans, just about half support this but that's half of a half the country or half of 40% of the country. that's not a lot of people. >> you did a great job of setting up why we get to those numbers. like you saw in the clips on fox news, these children are being dehumanized. they're being dem gogd, cast as ms-13 gang members who are here to rape and pillage.

and i guarantee you that there has not been much coverage on that same network of the tape that actually shows what's going on at these detention centers, the pro publica tape, the audio of what's happening in and the reality of what happens when a child is ripped from their parent. >> speaking of parenting, politico reports john kelly has largely yielded his role as the enforcer in the west wing as lis relationship with trump has soured. while kelly himself buns believed he stood between trump and chaos, he told at least one person close to him he may let the president do what he wants even if it leads to impeachment. at least this chapter in american history would come to a close. >> one by one, all the republican lose had been inside previous administrations have left the building. so the grown-ups are all gone. >> the grown-up has given up responsibility. he's apparently working out in the workout room trying to sweat off his job.

>> well, and then trying to outlast i think every other establishment republican your. >> thoughts about this guy. he's a general of the army. he's an impressive guy. he always impresses me in his bearing and everything. apparently we're told -- look at that, he looks like a leader more than trump does. yet he doesn't want to lead trump anymore. >> in terms of average tenure, he's put in a long shift at this white house. so you know, but i think what's happening here is that the establish. republicans who had been in there thinking they could guide this president are giving up, but giving up walking out with actually a lot in their bag. when you look at the first year of this presidency and all the things, he interviewed mitch mcconnell about the tax cuts and deregulation. now a campaign an election is coming up. so trump is returning to the campaign trump. >> look, axios is reporting donald trump jr. decided to pull out of a fund-raiser for texas

land commissioner george p bush due to the bush family's opposition to his father after george p bush's father, former presidential candidate jeb bush spoke out on the policy separating children from their families tweeting children shouldn't be used as a negotiating tool. trump should end this heartless policy. of course, his wife is mexican. born in mexico. she's an american now. obviously he doesn't like this policy and yet. >> right, for george p., this cuts can really close to home. but can we be clear here? i don't think george p is going to lose any sleep over this cancellation. >> his mother is mexican born. >> i just don't think that george p., george p. you know, played the game and said all right, fine, he's president and he's your son. okay, we're going to try to do the kumbiya. >> let me ask you a tough question. you're all political. do you think it will move the needle this morer at the border right now? >> yes. >> is it going to move the needle between trump and

anti-trump? are you meaning you're sure about this. >> look at the quinnipiac poll that came out yesterday. opposition for this policy is 66-27 among voters. michael, you were chairman of the rnc. do you want to get on the side of the 27 or the 66? if you look among independents it's even. >> will that impact voting? >>. >> you can be on the 66 but they may not vote. >> the difference between winning and losing are where the swing voters go. >> come next november and beyond, whether the voters is vote on the basis of mistreatment of children coming across the board silver. >> it depends how long it lasts. journalists are heading down there and capturing a lot of images and telling these stories. >> a picture is worth a thousand words. >> the more that comes out, the reporting was from the meeting today between trump and republicans on capitol hill that even he will now was worried about not the policy but the images. >> that's why you see. >> the images. >> trump has lived on reality.

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with the trauma these kids are dealing with. >> steve. >> a picture is worth a thousand words. we talked a little bit about the numbers how 40% of americans oppose this immigration policy. among independents it's 44 points and among women it's 48. you'll see a thousand ads like what you're seeing on television coming up in the fall. and you're going to see another 10 or 15 or 20 seats in play for democrats this year. >> democrats take the house. >> i think they do, yeah. >> this immigration issue is reaching across the country. you're having would producers, steve levitan of "modern family" creator and others are pushing back on 21st century fox because of the commentary being aired on their programs. >> it's been outrageous. >> thank you, heidi did, steve and michael. blm p

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19th, 2018. president trump has until now made american politics a reality show. he's shrunk the issues ha divide the country into a televised drama where he's the boss and the other side gets thrown off the show to use his term, the other side gets fired. we know what that looks like. he stands on a stage in front of a rally and tells his security people to bounce a group of protesters. throw them out. he sees nfl players taking a

knee against police bre at that time and calls on the owners of those teams to fire them. now we hear kids crying and see them in cages. it's not the reality show his people like so much. i think we will remember this moment down along the rio grande and remember that donald trump was better at the show than he is at the reality. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us and all in with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on all in, we are live from the border in trump's america. >> when you prosecute the parents for coming in illegally, which should happen, you have to take the children away. >> taking children away. the trump policy that has become an american moral crisis. >> this is torture and it is sinful. >> as the administration defends -- >> we will not apologize for doing our job. >> -- and the president deflects. >> i say it's very strongly the democrats fault.