intestinal cancer and in a public farewell letter a few weeks back, he was keeping with style both forward and forthright about his approaching death. charles krauthammer was 68 earlier. >> that's our broadcast on a thursday night. thank you so very much for being here with us. good night from nbc headquarters here in new york. this time last night we broke a little bit of news that the defense department was detailing active duty jags, military lawyers at the request of the justice department to go to borders to start prosecuting the justice department immigration cases. we broke that news last night that the defense department confirmed it. tonight we'll break more news that you have not heard anywhere else. this is an exclusive story that we have learned and confirmed

today of the handling of the family separation policy by the senior rank administration official in particular, i am going to have that breaking news for you in just one moment. all right, hurricane katrina became hurricane on a friday, august 25th, 2005. by saturday, a couple of coastal -- the day after the storm after it became a hurricane, new orleans was under evacuation order as well. the city announced the people should get out and the super dome would be opened of last resort for people that could not get out. by the dawn of the following day on sunday, katrina was not any hurricane anymore, it was a category five and at that point on sunday, the evacuation order for new orleans became mandatory

evacuation order. we now know that of course was too late for many people already. early the next morning on monday, katrina made land fall. that day and that monday, the levy broke and some places you can only see the rooftops above water and some places the water was so deep that you could not see the rooftop anymore. the storm become hurricane on friday, it hit land on monday when the storm unleashed the hail on new orleans and on the gulf co gulf coast. it was clear that the rescue plans were inadequate when they were just nonexistence. people had no way out. by tuesday, the day after land fall, the coast guard had pulled hundreds of people off rooftops. by tuesday, 20,000 people at the convention center where there is no food and water and services.

another 20,000 people have made their way to the shelter of the super dome. by tuesday, people were literally, americans were dying in plain view in new orleans. for that point, by tuesday, the day after land fall watching the news was like watching the end of the world. thousands of people were feared at that point. and then the following day on wednesday, rice went on vacation. she decided to have a new york city luxury vacation where she would stay at the palace hotel. secretary of state. she wrote about it in her memoir later. i flew to new york and i flipped on the television, i called secretary of homeland security inquiring if there is anything i could do. it is pretty bad. mike was clearly in a hurry, he said he'll call me if he needed

me. i hung up and got dressed and went out to see "spamalot." the musical. the report was to break the news was that was what secretary rice was doing at the destruction of new orleans. this is the original report mentioned back in 2005, the drudge report. i witnessed secoretary rice laughs it off while new orleans are in crisis. that was in the drudge report and new york daily news added a little color of their own, contributing to the fiddling i am -- secretary rice was booed by some audience members at spamalot when the lights went up

after the performance. that daily news report was correct. people booed her for being there. you think that would be a wake up call, right? if what you are seeing on tv did not indicate maybe this was a good time for vacation, getting booed once you showed your face in public, you think it is a wake up moment and given what was going on with the hurricane which everybody could see on tv and that she had been specifically briefed on as secretary of state. she's been told it is very, very bad. and again you could watch it on television which in fact she says she was doing. she was watching it on television at the palace hotel as it spirals from bad to worse and deadly and worse than this. so that must have been a real kind of come to jesus moment, oh, maybe i have been reading this wrong. what did secretary rice do after she got booed in the midst of all this? let's go back to her memoir. the next morning i went shopping

at the shoe store down a block from my hotel. the website is dead now. it was killed off by trump's adviser peter thiel. he's way more radical. he thinks women getting the right to vote is a tragedy. so he killed gawker as a news organization. before he did so one of their many, many scoops was that gawker was first to report on the scene of condi rice buying thousands of dollars of worths of italian shoes in new york city while new orleans was flooded. she was as senior member and basically did not respond at all. this was the report from that day. moments ago, condi rice, was

seen spent several thousand dollars on nice shoes. he went up to the secretary and says how dare you shopped for shoes wh shoes when millions are dying. >> angry lady who ever you are, we love you. you are a true american and we'll go shoe shopping with you any time. >> secretary rice denied that anybody yell at her at the store. she did confirm that was where she was and that is what she was doing on that morning in new york city at the worse of the hurricane katrina crisis and the federal government have done nothing to respond. condi rice shopping -- and in

her memoir she confirmed the report from gawker and the drudge report and she confirmed the "new york post" which caught her hitting a few balls at the u.s. open. she confirmed all of that in her memoir. to her credit, she also in her memoir explained how much she regretted it. i sad there and kicking myself of being so tone-deaf, what have i been thinking? that was 2005. >> and our current catastrophe now is not an act of god like katrina was. our national heroine moral catastrophe that's driving people to destruction is this

new thing that the trump administrations started doing weeks ago which has resulted in the mass separations of little kids and babies from their mothers and fathers. the trump administration started pursuing this policy in april, they have pursued it through yesterday and we still don't have good numbers. we do suggest the pace they are taking kids away from parents and to under 70 a day at least before they stop yesterday. just as a hurricane though, the disaster does not end where the wind and the rain stops, this catastrophe that we got now parents and kids taken apart and this is not over either. we got more than 2,000 kids that they have taken and by all accounts there don't seem to be any procedures into place of how they're going to get those kids back to their parents ever. they taken these kids in many cases, there are no paper work

following them. they moved these kids all over this country and there appears to be no plan of how to get them back to their mothers and fathers. now one thing that condoleeza rice had going for her in her defense, everyone though she was a highly visible member of george w. bush, her job title was secretary of state. hurricane katrina was not a foreign policy crisis. this catastrophe has a specific roster of responsibility. when it comes to these kids taken away from their parents, there is a guide in the government and there is a trump's official who's in clahae of the kids who the government have been taken. it is the justice department who arrest people at the border and charge and hold the parents. this new trump administration policy has the government

forcibly taking the kids out of their parents' arms. where the kids then go is to al alex azar. these thousands of kids have been taken away from their mothers and fathers, he's the one that got them. alex azar, exclusively report on what azar have been doing as this crisis have spiked. and as he has become responsible for thousands of children who have been taken away from their parents as the number of kids taken from their parents have reached critical match, as his agency started, they have to open their first new purpose built facility that they constructed to hold kids apart from parents. that first facility was opened by azar's agency on friday. they opened that on friday.

you want to know what alex azar did the day the agency open that facili facility. they were that many and the nation freak out over this policy of taking kids away from their parents went from 50 to 70 a day. you want to know what he did after he opened up the tenths for the kids. he spent saturday in new hampshire attending his 30th college unit. he was apparently class of 1988 at dartmouth college. here is the newspaper announcing when he was confirmed as secretary of hhs. here he is confirming rsvp'ing that he would be attending his reunion this week. even if you rsvp in advance and

once the crisis like this broke out and you are the guy that's in charge of all the kids that's been taken, maybe you would not make good on that rsvp and maybe you would cancel. no, secretary azar spent saturday in new hampshire at his college reunion. we contacted mrs. azar where mr. azar was this weekend as the crisis of immigrants and hundreds of kids were moved into secretary azar's purpose built facility to hold them. secretary alex azar did not comment anything to us and he has been saying everything is fine and nothing to worry about. he told "the washington post" that yes of course, he visited these facilities where the agency he runs and of course he

it vitsited them. he did not say which city and when but he did tell "the post" that he's been there. his office did not confirm which shelter secretary azar has visited or when he was there. secretary azar insisted that there are no reasons to worry about these kids taken away from their parents. there is no reason to think there would be any problems getting these kids back to their parents. his agency is on it and he's keeping these kids and parents in touch. >> secretary azar told the post today, we keep in touch with the parents any any circumstances to ensure placements with relatives or if the parent is released. alex azar may believe that's what's happening with the kids for each kid held by his agency and hhs, hhs is keeping in touch

with that kid's parent. he's the only person who believes that's what's happening. here is jonathan blitzer in new yorker today reporting on the facility and chaperones in mexico. few of them even know where their kids are. mothers are going to be levering the facility with psychological problems. none of the agents have explained to the mothers how they can locate their children. so, there is 50 women being held in mexico who have kids that have been taken away from them. alex azar have not been keeping in touch with those parents in terms of them getting their kids back. the 239 kids being held at new york city. that's becoming a new york scandal now. they were not notified and they had no idea that 239 kids separated from their parents were being brought to new york

city. they say they basically found out what everybody else did when a local tv station broke the news of all these girls being held in harlem and after they got a tip that several of these girls are being moved in the middle of the night. how is it possible that none of them knew that -- how is the government holding back that information and holding back the help that these kids could need? ahead of the catholic charity is trying to find ways to get these kids back to their parents. there is no system to track these families. there is no supervisors. there is no database saying child here, parent there so they can come back together. "washington post" published this account who described a hearing of a mother whose child have been taken away from her. the justice department prosecutor objected to the re

relevance of that question. the judge then turned on the prosecutor demanding to know why this was not relevant. at one point the judge slammed his hand and sending a pen falling. i can't understand this if someone -- they take your kids and they give you nothing? not even a slip of paper. is your kid old enough to remember any kinds of information about you or help them find their way back to you where ever you are. they don't know and you don't know. is your kids old enough to talk in not even a slip of paper. that's how alex azar have thus far been handling the job getting these 2,000 plus kids who are in his care back to

their parents. there is not a system. there is not a database. there is nothing, no paper work connecting the parent from whom the kids was separate separated -- nothing. just hope the kids could talk or gets a lawyer or hope the kids know mom's detention facility and her alien number and hopefully they can sort it out her own. that's how azar has been handling the kids that he's in charge. >> "the washington post" also published this which they describe as a list of facilities holding these kids separated from their parents all over the country. they'll update as they get more information. it is interesting and they're asking washington readers to help them crowd source the story. the post is reporting on where migrant children were sent after

they were separated from their parents. did you know the facility of where these children will be. they're building this national map to try to keep track of these kids taken away from their parents. >> you got to get it from people who may have been eye witnesses or seen kids some where being held some where or maybe when they drop the mails off there. this is how we are as a nation tracking information about where these kids are, hoping that anonymous sources and people apart of the big secret system will tell the press and maybe that could results of lawyers getting to them and lawyers can figure out some way to connect with parents. alex azar says it is fine and everybody is in touch. relax. as we have been reporting though, you take thousands of kids away from their parents. this is a secret too big to be

kept. a passenger came to believe she was on the plane with a bunch of kids who were not traveling of their own accord and not traveling with their parents. by the time that flight landed, this was the scene at laguardia airport, hundreds of people showing up offering support and carrying signs written in spanish and singing songs and looking for the kids. it does seem like the government did bring a bunch of unaccompanied voice into new york through laguardia airport in the very late hour last night. this was after -- american airlines said they would not allow their flights being used from kids being taken away from their families. >> they sang protest songs in english and spanish outside terminal b, not long of a group of boys spotted getting off of american airlines wearing dark hoodies, a circle of 200

protesters gathered on the taxi line. an american airline said in an interview that the airline delayed the flight from dallas/ft. worth by 33 minutes so the airline can get reassurance firn reassurance officials that these kids were not among -- >> when flight attendance saying quote, "they lied to us." one of tl flighe flights tried communicate with one of these unaccompanied kids. what are your names and parents' name? >> maybe the flight attendants will do it? the local press is now starting to find kids all over the country because they are getting tips from all over the country from people who knows something about where these kids are.

this is from the "detroit free press." one child is eight months old and the other is 11 months old. both landed in foster care under the trump administration zero tolerance. the growing group of kids who were turning up in michigan at night time. the kids are pet tri frified. they are being transported to a place they don't know in the middle of the night. we found many occasions no one explained to these children where they are going. these kids are hysterical and they are screaming out for mom and dad. many have gone 30 or more days without talking to their parents because their parents can't below kated. i thought alex azar says he's

got this part under control and constantly contacting with the parents. >> this is the baltimore sun today. some are being held in dormitories according to people involve inside the process. many of the kids have come with little information. several are too young to speak with their care givers. lawyers are trying to figure out how to put a asylum plan for six years old who don't know why they fled their countries. regional director for the service organization is trying to care for 15 of these kids in maryland. the children are seen quote ", traumatized" because of the separation from their parents. we are getting first report of kids not just taken away from their parents and traumatized, we are getting reports of kids

turning up at hospitals. in new york, two city public hospitals have treated 12 young kids who were separated by their parents. the children were brought to bellevue in manhattan and the north central hospital in the bronx. she and the clinician felt helpless treating the children. this map at washington post is still building. it is going to be like flight attendants and people piecing it together to try to get them back to their parents. there is a cabinet secretary who's in charge of taking care of these kids. his name is alex azar.

i don't know if he was wearing any python shoes involved. he spent the weekend going to his college reunion in new hampshire. anybody got a picture of him there, i will plant a tree in your name if you send it to us. i am only sort of kidding. quie i'm blasting my quads. janice, look. i'm in a meeting. -janice, look. -[ chuckles ] -look, look. -i'm looking. it's easy. you just answer some simple questions online, and you get coverage options to choose from. you're ruining my workout. cycling is my passion. the kayak explore tool shows you the places you can fly on your budget. so you can be confident you're getting the most bang for your buck. alo-ha. kayak.

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crisis the desire of ordinary people getting involved going to the airplane in the middle of the night and sit there until police come and get arrested as these moms did. chris murphy tweeted moments ago. people are showing up in response of this crisis. people are turning up and giving money, a lot of it. we talked last night about a campaign started by a california couple setting out to pay $1,500 for bail. that fundraiser has now brought in not $1,500 which was the goal, it brought more than $17 million and counting for a non-profit that provide services to immigrants. that service helps immigrants in

texas. they have so many americans looking to help, they now say they're going to look to do this across the country and specifically look for every family that has been separated in this crisis. the trump administration started doing this in april and they started stop doing this until yesterday. they found every family that got separated. they want to find every family and kid that got taken away. their goal is to find all of them and get them lawyers and try to get them release so kids and parents can get back together. that's the goal. government is not trying to do that apparently. a california couple picked that as a place to try -- i mean we are piecing it together here. >> $17 million to help the family by family, people are showing up and they are giving

money and doing what they can. where they have specialize skills that may come in handy and people are offering their time and expertise and skills as well. >> we talked about a firm in washington state. that has offered to provide consultations and representation to government officials who refuses to carry out any part of the trump administration of the family separation policy. the project is being led by this guy. that seat has been held by a republican member congress. the idea here in terms of what his firm is doing is they are offering free legal help of anybody in the government who's giving order to carry out the

zero tolerance policy and they don't want to do that as a matter of conscious. he announced this effort two days ago. today his office tells us first off more than a dozen lawyers from different law firms around the country have called and would like fobto be apart of th and we can break the news tonight, five government employees have reached out to the firm to take them up on their offer as objectors of what the trump administration is doing. joining us now, sir, thank you very much for being with us. >> rachel, thank you very much, it is a privilege to be on your show >> when i was explaining of what you and your firm are doing, did i get it right? >> yeah, that was right on. we are see ng a moral policy carried out by the trump add

minum a minute stragm administration. >> obviously when the firm's business is doing this work for pay and you are making a decision as an organization to make a national call that you represent people on this matter for free. i imagine it is a serious discussion among employees of the firm and how did you arrive at this and what do you make of the response for. it >> it was a serious decision and it was a quick decision for us. we stand up for people who need a voice. we can't think of better calling to do that for families who are separated and employees enforced these policies. on sunday night we convened on the telephone and pulled lawyers together at 8:00 a.m. for a

conference called and roll out this nationwide pro bono effort by noon that day. >> we understand that there are a handful already that at least five federal employee haves reached out to take you on your offer already and what can you tell us about why your federal employees have reached out to you and what are their reasons for not wanting to essentially follow orders and enforce policies? >> you know federal law protects employees from being forced to engage in unlawful conduct and we are seeing employees who are concerned about being forced to engage in policies that they know are immoral and violate the law. ultimately, we have seen an out powering of support from the community and offering services as well. we see a response from concerned federal employees, they have been able to reach out to our firm at hkm.com/child.

we are taking a system in place to make sure we respond to them as they come in. >> do you anticipate the reasons for objecting the persona personal -- the personal reasons for conscientiously objecting to these rules. do you imagine it will be public statements of the press from these employees in terms of why th they are doing what they are doing. >> i do anticipate that. certainly there will be public filings and that's the scenario. the important thing is we provide them legal advice so they can decide what's the best path forward. jason rittereiser, thanks for

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last night we reported here exclusively that the defense department detailed a number of lawyers. at the request of the justice department to go down to the

border and go down to texas, arizona and mexico to detail to the u.s. attorney offices there. the defense department agreed to send these lawyers to those attorney's office to bolster the work force that the justice department has in terms of working prosecutors who could bring all these immigration cases, immigration prosecution on the border. that's an unusual use. we were first to report that the defense department accepted that request from the justice department and was in fact sending jags to those three states to go help the justice department with immigration prosecutions. now there is been a bipartisan response. from united states' senators, and democrats from new york and democratic senator from vermont joined by the republican senator

from iowa. the three of them sent a rare bipartisan request to secretary mattis at the defense department asking him to change his decision. we are deeply troubled by the department's decision to send reserve jags on the board to prosecute immigration cases. they're asking basically for the defense department to undo the decision that they made. quote, pulling 21 counsel. it is inappropriate application of personnel. we urge you to maintain these resources. i am singling out this response because there are so few bipartisan requests in american law making right now and let alone something that has a red hot lens on it. here is gillibrand.

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have been inside the center many times before. she told "the l.a. times" they were in cages and sobbing. the woman quoted there is dr. marsha griffin, dr. griffin invited pediatricians across the country come to the border so they can see conditions of what it is like for kids. it is the problem of taking kids from their parents. that's the problem. joining us now is dr. marsha griffin, she's also the coach chair of pediatrician group. dr. griffin, i have been looking forward to talking to you. thank you for being with me tonight. >> i have been looking forward to talk to you, too. >> thank you.

i feel like like so many americans, our eyes are turning to the border region until the conditions of immigrants and immigrant kids and families are being held. if not for the first time and certainly for the first long sustained look. and i want to get a perspective from you on what we are seeing and hearing now and what the country is having such a revolted reaction to. how different is it from how things have been in the past? >> the difference, rachel, is only that they are separating the children methodically and it is planned. they separated their children from the past from their parents and it has been arbitrary and the women's refugee commission and the refugee services reported that last year in 2017. in their report of betrayal of

family values. horrifying stories of children being separated. this is different base they are planning it and they were proud of it and they told everybody they were doing going to. >> obviously the president has issued the exec tiutive order, are told that they have stopped yesterday separating anymore kids. it seems like the scale was escalating. we think that they were separating 40 kids a day, excuse me, 50 kids a day. the pace of increase was at 70 kids per day. did you have any sense they were continuing to scale up this methodical process and growing the program? >> yes, certainly. >> and how did that manifest? was it the same facility, just having more and more kids cramming into them and opening new facilities and adding more

personnel to do it. >> i think they were adding all the tenth cities and adding beds and extra beds into the office of refugee resettlement shelters. they were having to add beds and clearance for additional children. that's when we began to know that this has gotten out of control. >> what do you think the health consequences for these kids even if they are now returned to their parents after having separated from them for a time during the duration of this policy. how will these kids be hurt by what they have been through? >> well, this hurt is going to last for a long time. it will be manifested immediately when they with are with their parents or while they are separated. the immediate signs can be that a child who was potty trained will be wetting the bed and a

child who was eager to play with other children or run around will be clingy and withdrawn and won't go play. they may have had a great speech, they'll regress and not want to speak. they'll look withdrawn, they'll have flat affects. the long-term, when children get this afraid, those stress hormones are bathing here brain and heart and every organ. that changes the brain's structure and the heart and it changes everything. if you had children who are separated for just 72 hours or less, if that reaction is going on, children, that's an eternity for a child.

eternity of terror. and so it will have lasting effects. they can have hyper tension and chronic heart disease and they'll have behavioral problems and learning problems and they'll have obesity and suicidality and substance abuse and they'll have problems. it will be because of us. >> and those problems we should expect even after short riverte separations. >> absolutely. >> dr. marsha griffin, pediatrician working on south texas border for years now, thank you for helping us understand tonight. thank you for your lifetime of work and thank you for being here tonight. >> thank you for yours. >> we'll be right back.

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approval. if it did not happen, it must have been michael cohen's office, they were seeking communications between michael cohen and executives at the national inquirer. today's revelations are a good reminder we do not know what they're after in the larger russia scandal or specifically when it comes to michael cohen. that's kind of intriguing. that does it for us tonight. we will see you tomorrow now it's time for "the last word with lawrence o'donnell" good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. we have news in this hour that has not been reported yet but will be tomorrow. that is in the executive order, part of the component was telling the attorney general to rush into federal court in