tonight. i'll see you back here if you like at 6:00 p.m. eastern. but more importantly, "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. trump went offense. let's play "hardball." well, donald trump has started this week drive his political bayonet in hard. no more the divider of children from their parents he now poses as horatio at the gate. the lone american ready to defend our border. no moyfr did he say those crossing the border will get a hearing. the constitution be damned, it's trump law or no law. and now it's a human wall he is throwing up along the border. anyone who gets through it will be thrown back across into mexico, no matter where they kim from. good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. having spent most of last week on defense, president trump is now back on offense, pushing an

even nastier line on immigration. over the weekend, president trump said with no clear evidence that the country's immigration policy is, quote, laughed at all over the world, saying, quote, we cannot allow these people to invade our country. invade. trump demand those believed to have entered the country without documents be deported immediately and without a hearing. and today refused to back down, placing responsibility, of course, on the democrats. >> we want a system where when people come in illegally, they have to go out. and a nice simple system that works. >> sarah huckabee sanders drove that message home today. >> they've made it very clear that they don't want to work with the president, that they don't want to fix our immigration system, that they'd rather have open borders and rampant crime than work with the president to create solutions. >> open borders and rampant crime. that's the message. while offering no legislative

solution, the president is pushing the new harder line seeing illegal immigration as a wing political issue for him. in response to the president's comments, michigan congressman justin amash, a tea party libertarian tweeted this of the constitution. quote, no person shall be deprived of life, liberty or perot property without due process of law. the 14th amendment goes on the say that no person in the united states shall be denied within its jurisdiction the equal protection of the laws. well, the white house wasn't able to say how or when the new policy would be put in force. it's unclear how this squares with the announcement late today by the head of u.s. customs and border protection of a temporary halt to the criminal prosecution of adults who cross the border illegally with children. over the weekend, the department of homeland security announce they'd had a process in place to help reunify families that had been separated by the trump policy. according to the department's numbers, by the way, roughly 500 children have been reunited with their parents. but those were children that had

not been actually shipped to shelters. nearly 2,000 children remain scattered across the country. for more i'm joined by democratic congressman from washington state, robert costa and leon prescott, former deputy assistant attorney general for the office of immigration litigation, and also dave jolly down in a windstorm somewhere in florida. former republican congressman from that state. thank you. i want to go to robert costa, just because you're a good trump reader. why did he go from being the guy who apologized basically for separating children from their parents in an about-face last week to a new about-face where he getting eeven nastier? >> we're a few months out before the midterm elections. republicans in congress, some of them want to focus on the tax law, but over at pennsylvania avenue, immigration, immigration, immigration. this is the issue that stokes the base. this is the issue people inside of the white house think can stop a democratic wave do. >> they believe it's enough?

>> it could be enough. you look at his support among republicans, it's 90% in some polls. this is what the president says his base has to come out. they're not going to come out because of paul ryan's tax law. >> i understand the political thrust of it. i call it a bayonet thrust. but the question is how do you do this when the constitution so clearly gives rights to people in this country, whether citizen, documented or not. you have rights under the constitution to due process, to a hearing? >> and we saw this with this administration during the travel ban, an administration that knows it will likely face court challenges for the president's statements, but nevertheless moves forward. >> congressman, who howe do you read the fact that trump is going on offense this week after being on defense last week? >> i think that this has always been his plan. use immigration, use immigrants to talk about invasion, infestation, get people scared. they are a great dividing line for his base. but i think he's misplaying this. i think there are many people across this country, and i've had a lot of republicans calling

my office because we've been out front on the issue of children being separated, put in cages, parents who are escaping terrible situations, i think he's misreading it. republicans are calling me and saying i don't agree with you on some other things, but i do agree with you on this. and i don't think that once he starts talking about eliminating due process, i think every american is going to have to start thinking about who is next. first they came for the trade unionists and i didn't stand up. >> i don't hear republicans saying that i don't hear them. 90% of the republican party is behind this president down the line. i don't hear republican office holders facing reelection saying it's wrong to deny a hearing to people facing deportation at the border. >> i don't think the republicans in congress are saying this. i wish they were. but i do think republicans across the country are saying this. and will continue to say this if he continues to take these extreme positions. i'm not sure you see it all reflected in the polls.

but i do think this is a terrifying moment where he is talking about denaturalization. >> yeah, i know shirks talking about things like eliminating due process. these are the hallmarks of a dictator, and i think the american people are going to start to really look at this and say this is insanity. this is really dangerous for our country. >> dave, do you agree with that? congressman jolly you accept the fact that this is a losing issue in the republican party for president within the party? >> within the party, no, actually, i think it's a winning issue. we're looking at the electoral reality that there are no crossover votes going into this election. if they are, they're trending more democrat. so what trump and the republicans have to do is they have to energize their base. and fear energizes far greater than contentment does. robert is exactly right. this is about exciting the base with fear and division. but we also have to be very, very knowledgeable today that we are looking at moments of fear and division, rhetoric, if you

will, trending towards hatred. and that is a difficult conversation to grapple with. but make no mistake, donald trump is energizing his base because the tax bill has not worked and there are no legislative accomplishments between now and november. >> i agree. you know, i heard sarah huckabee sanders make the point that president wanted -- he obviously tells her what he wants her to say. she gets the message. and the message for her is democrats are for open borders and they don't care about crime. i think we're going to hear those two messages juxtaposed, put right next to each other. think crime when you think immigration. >> sure. >> open borders when you think democrats. and it seems to me that he is defining the democrats' position his way. it's either my sort of crude way we admit, and maybe even unconstitutional way as opposed to open borders and crime. >> sure. >> and they think is the message that the congressman just said we're going the hear from now to november. >> absolutely, chris. that's why it's incumbent on democrats to not not just about why this policy is immoral, but why it's unnecessary. we have to as democrats provide

alternatives of how we would be able to secure the border. and i think one of the messages that is being lost here is look, president trump, a lot of the stuff that you're asking for was in the 2013 senate immigration bill but it comes as an entire package. you can't have only trump's version of comprehensive immigration reform. you also have to solve the problem of the people here who aren't leaving anyway, and then you can get border security. you can get -- >> what do you say to that congresswoman? if he says you're the party of open borders, i think you lose. if he says you're the party of crime, you obviously lose. how do you redefine the party position to something more refined than that? >> look, i think we have to go back to core values. we have to talk about what america has always been in the world. we have to talk about refugees, asylees. i was on the outside, not in congress but work thoong bill from the outside. the 2013 bill, 68 bipartisan

votes. john boehner wouldn't bring it up for a vote in the floor of the house. i think we have a lot of evidence to show that we have done -- actually, we've put more into the border since 2013 than was in the 2013 bill. but the problem is that trump will win with his minority base. i think he also incites our base to get out because people see how dangerous this is. >> how did he with win in '16? he won with this in '16 hi, did. >> he is president. and hillary clinton is not because of this issue, i believe. >> no, you're right, chris. but what we didn't have in '16 is people believing that he would win. people stayed away. and this time -- >> yeah. >> -- that is not the case. i think you are seeing this in state legislative races across the country. you look at missouri, the state of missouri. the state of wisconsin, democrats winning in state legislative districts. and i get that they're not congressional districts. i get that. but these are incredible wins by

20, 25 points over the challenger, republican challenger in districts that trump won by 10, 15, 20. so i think he has some dangerous -- this is dangerous, just in terms who have we are. and i think it's also dangerous in terms of politics. >> well, leon, i want to tell you something, and david, the congresswoman can answer this as well. it seems to me al gore once said, and he lost an election, but he got the most popular votes like hillary clinton. but he lost the electoral college vote. he said if you don't define yourself in politics, the other side will. >> absolutely. >> i think trump is defining the democrats now because they haven't mentioned that very fine bipartisan bill since 2013. they haven't talked about their approach to border enforcement. they've let the other guy talk about it. it's hurting them. >> correct. the democrats need to say you can have everything you want immediately and when those things are implemented, then we can have our part of

comprehensive reform. but it has to be in the same bill. he is the man who makes the art of the deal. bring people together and get that deal done. >> robert, trump is very good at defining democrats. and maxine waters is helping, the person who try out of her restaurant the other day. i love robert de niro. he did it too. they're all playing the trump game. they're making him look like the victim, which he love. >> and look what the president tweeted about congresswoman waters today, she is the face of the party. yet you had minority leader pelosi and schumer say this kind of heated rhetoric has to stop. >> maxine waters -- >> democratic leaders want took about the gop tax law that. >> want talk that about the president's position on trade, they want to talk about things that aren't just back and forth on twitter. >> let me go back to david. congressman jolly, you're a republican at least still in name. i think you're rino at this point. trump has an amazing ability. get the other side, get the

mainstream press to jump all over them, establish that as the so-called liberal line and he runs as the only line that takes crime seriously, the only side that takes illegal immigration seriously and leaves the democrats looking like weirdos like don't they care at all? and that's the way he plays them. >> so, look, if i would give way leeway to democrats here, it would be this. donald trump is defining donald trump for republican voortters. he doesn't care about democratic voters. >> how about the middle? >> well, listen. much like when we saw the syrian refugee crisis? that was an area where there was no rationality for republicans coming out against syrian refugees, but it was effective politically. and they used to it mobilize their base. democrats are right on this issue about family separation. they're right on the issue of everything that's happened at the border, but they need to use to it energize their base. they're not going win trump voters on. this as you energize your base, you can win the suburban mom, those suburban communities we are seeing in special elections

that is the gray area where democrats can take this issue and win. >> just oppose trump without a ooh win? >> not oppose trump, but speak to the values as the congresswoman was saying, speak to the party's values to unite families, speak to your base to unite them and energize them to create nor democratic voters than republicans in november. >> i think the values issue works. go back to the congresswoman. tell me how you -- i like the way you went back to the really good bipartisan bill the democrats did support, and republican senators did and that chicken mr. boehner refused to bring gallup the house. they don't want comprehensive reform. they're afraid of it. i like the way you're shaking your head. say where democrats should be positioning themselves on immigration. >> i think it's got to be about the values. i think it's got to be about the danger that we have to the future of our country. and i think we can say we have lots of bipartisan bills. we have the 2013 bill. we have the hurd aguilar bill

around dreamers. we have numerous bipartisan bills that republicans refuse to bring to the floor. why? because it serve theirs political interests to continue to target immigrants. if they solved the immigration problem, who would they blame? and i'll tell you, i don't think we win by saying look, we can be tougher on border security than you. obama tried that he actually tried that, and it didn't work so well. well did put a bunch of border security in there. i remember john mccain sat the time saying this is ridiculous much border security we have in here. but if we're going get comprehensive reform, okay, we'll do it. that was a republican. i think we have to go back to our values. i think we win on children. i think we win on family separation. and i think we win on due process and fairness as well and the constitution. but we've got to do it from a place of deep grounding in who we are as a country. >> well, throw in the one more issue throw in on top of yours, congressman. well said by the way. throw in stop the exploitation of illegal labor. that's what republicans are all

for. they love the cheapest labor, the most scared labor, the most desperate people in this country who are operating below when nobody is watching, off the books, that's where their money comes from. thank you congresswoman of washington state, robert costa, leon fresco and former congressman dave jolly. coming up, president trump attacks what he calls the filthy restaurant that turned away white house press secretary sarah huckabee sanders this weekend. and once again, trump has shown he is more than willing to villainize his opponents. she is the democrat behind the political ad everyone is talking. we'll introduce you to the air force combat veteran and mom who is betting she can win in ruby red, texas. and president trump appears to have turned on defense secretary mattis, mad dog mattis is making trump mad. the round table weighs in on that. plus trump's latest cultural fight. this time he is going after nonpolitical jimmy fallon,

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welcome back to "hardball." despite provoking a new outrage at every turn now, president trump continues to receive steadfast support from republican voters. as jeremy peters reports in "the new york times" this weekend, the more vocal trump's critics become, the more his party is inclined to support him. he writes that republican voters repeatedly described an instinctive protective response to the president. bad headlines about mr. trump only galvanizes them further. asked about the president's critics, one trump supporters said it makes me angry at them, which causes me to want to defend him to them more. according to the latest polling, the president's overall approval rating stands at just 41% overall. however, virtually 9 out of 10 republicans say they approve the job he is doing. nine out of ten. that polarization is quick to

ve ville nice people he disagrees with. that may explain why he goes out of his way to bait his opponents with such rhetoric. let's watch a few examples. >> you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. these aren't people. these are animals. >> he's a tool of chuck schumer and, of course, the ms-13 lover nancy pelosi. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners when somebody disrespects our flag to say get that son of a bitch off the field right now, out. he is fired. >> you to stand proudly for the national anthem or you shouldn't be playing. you shouldn't be there. maybe you shouldn't be in the country. >> so we have a single protester. he's going home to his mom. say hello to mommy.

>> i call the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. they are the enemy of the people. >> i'm joined now by two msnbc contributor, ruth marcus, editorial of "the washington post" and jeremy peters who covers politics for "the times." your piece is great this weekend. >> thank you. >> i think it's trump's way of forcing everybody to their tribal base. you know, i think -- i'm just generalizing here, just guessing. but i guess there are a lot of different african americans who have a different view of people in the game. you made your point. and at a lot of white people said they have a point to make. let them make it. but he says no, divide by race. enough of this they may be right, i may be wrong. dreg forget all that go back to your tribal stations and fight. >> that's exactly right. he has tribalized our politics more than any other leader has in a generation. >> they were tribalized before. >> i made that point. >> what trump has done and also what he has ud to great effect is this notion that there is an

unhinged radical, violent tlaeft left that is almost reminiscent of the war protesters that nixon went after. >> the long hey, love it or leave it. trump understands by making those people the focus of his criticism, he can portray them as people that they will stop at nothing to silence me, to silence your voice and to take away your vote and impeach me. >> i think he makes all moderate and regular people who aren't conservatives, and maybe some real lefties, i don't think everybody is for open borders. half of latin america would probably like to live in the united states. you have to have some kind of regulation of the border. he portrays the democrats as laoti loosesy goosy, come on in. they'd like to have less crime. >> nancy pelosi is not an ms-13 lover. >> where did he get that from? >> he got it from mike huckabee. did you see that tweet over the

weekend? >> about what jeremy, he turns every democrat into a hard lefty. everybody is maxine waters from south central. i don't know if she is a hard lefty or not but she is certainly a liberal, a progressive. he makes everybody into the enemy. >> maxine waters played right into trump's hands. the white house loves it. came as close to inciting violence as any member of congress i've ever seen. every time sarah huckabee sanders gets kick odd out of a restaurant, guess what? the white house lovers it. it plays into their message of this crazed lunatic left fringe, and then they use that to discredit the whole republican party. and a lot of republican voters whont w.h.o. aren who aren't necessarily pro-trump buy that there. >> are also signs some on the left are embracing the kind of incivility of the president. sarah sanders said over the weekend she was asked to leave a restaurant because she wrorked for donald trump. last night i was told by the owner of a red hen in lexington,

virginia, not far from here, to leave because i work for the president, and i politely left. her actions say far more about her than about me. in reaction, the president lashed out today saying that the red hen restaurant should focus more on cleaning its filthy canopies, doors, and windows. badly needs a paint job rather than refusing to serve a fine person like sarah huckabee sanders. i always had a rule. if a restaurant is dirty on the outside, it's dirty on the inside. this is pure trump. on saturday maxine waters from l.a. sided with that restaurant owner and called on democrats to confront members of the trump administration in public place. here is the congresswoman. >> and if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you create a crowd and you push back on them, and you tell them they're not welcome anymore, anywhere.

>> those comments earned her a sharp rebuke from the president who said today congresswoman maxine waters, an extraordinarily low iq person, has become, together with nancy pelosi the face of the democrat party. she has just called for harm to supporters of which there are many of the make america great movement be careful what you wish, for max. whatever. congresswoman waters has clarified saying she never called for violence, only peaceful protest. what do you make of all of this? i think trump is winning this little fight. >> yes. >> she has brought people down to his level effectively. >> kind. -- indeed. i understand it can make you crazy. but michelle obama -- can make everybody crazy. michelle obama was right when she said when they go low, we go high. now it's when they go low, we're going crazy. >> it worked for hillary. she said the same thing. >> no, no. so there is a real debate going on in the democratic party right

now about whether or not to attack trump using trump's rules. it's a real discussion because they'd make that exact same point, chris. >> are the leaders like pelosi who knows her politics, is she saying hold back? >> they're distancing tmselves from the max company waters of the water because it's not -- it is not helpful. look, there is nobody -- people who are definitely attached to trump, the true believers are not going to get disattached from him. but if you're telling other people who may have been trump voters or might be flirting with trump that they're bigots and racists and terrible people and shouldn't be served in restaurants, it's like when you criticize a friend, when you criticize somebody in your family, you have this instinctive reaction to want to sort of rally with them. it's just not smart politics. it's not smart human relations. >> but he does troll. he does insight, of course he does. >> he wants to bring them out. >> he wants maxine waters to go out there. >> it's a tough challenge debating which way to go.

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welcome back to "hardball." a texas democrat trying to unseat an eight-term tea party republican in texas has released one of the best political ads of this year. mj hagar served three tours in afghanistan as an air force pilot and was wounded during a rescue mission in 2009. she later sued the pentagon over its ban on women in combat. the 3:30 web video has been viewed two million times on youtube. let's watch a bit of it. >> two army helicopters rescued us from the wreckage. i strapped myself to the skids and returned fire on the taliban while we flew to safety that got me a purple heart, and i became the second woman ever awarded the distinguished flying cross with valor. but after that, the door closed. injured and unable to fly, i was barred from my next career choice because i was a woman. so i came home. i worked in health care and business. i got married and started my family.

wait. barred because i was a woman? that's ridiculous. so i sued the pentagon. but not just than job, about the ban on women serving in all ground combat jobs, and i went to d.c. to lobby congress. but door after door was slammed in my face. well, eventually -- >> we are eliminating the direct ground combat exclusion rule for women. >> we won. and that opened the door for hundreds of thousands of women to compete for elite ground combat jobs, a major victory for our military. hold on. back up a minute. not one of his donors? that's not how this is supposed to work. one of those closed doorses was my congressman, tea party republican john carter. apparently being his constituent and a veteran wasn't enough to get a meeting. i guess i also needed to be a donor. so now i'm running against him, taking on a system that cares more about campaign donors and political parties than protecting our country. congressman carter hasn't had a

tough race his entire career. so we'll show him tough, then we'll show him the door. >> wow. a spokesperson for john carter's campaign told "hardball" hagar's assertion is absolutely untrue. john carter is respected because of his responsiveness to his constituents. i'm joined by her, the democratic candidate m.j. hagar. thank you. i was going to call you congresswoman, but i'll wait for that. tell me about this thing with carter. did you actually go his congressional office and were refused help with your efforts to open the door to women in combat? >> i did. well called. we mailed. we knocked on doors. it was a joint effort of dozens of women who had served in ground combat without the acknowledgment that it was ground combat. and some representatives from both sides of the aisle and staffers were very receptive. mine was not. i thought at first it was because he disagreed with me. he is not very responsive to constituents, period. he hasn't had a town hal in five

years, for example. >> most political ads are like most political ads. this one i'm little wary, but it was dynamite. it all seemed to be like one of those continued shots. it looked like it was all done together, the raging bull if you will, the de niro movie where everything seemed to happen at the same time. it wasn't cut and edited. it really seemed to make a point about women and their rights and patriotism, and really what a job a congress person is which is to answer that damn door. >> yeah. i think it's been very well received for a couple rans. first it was very well done. first, it strikes a chord in our country with people on both sides of the aisle, honestly. a lot of people feel like their representatives are absent. there is not enough regular people who live down the street representing us in d.c. well need our elected officials to look more representative of our population, and i'm working on that. >> where can you work with trump? is there a place where you can find something he might be working on in a right direction or could be moved in that right

direction by you and your colleagues? >> i have great respect for the constitution and our democracy, and i respect the fact that he was elected our president. i respect the fact that not everybody in the country agrees with me and my values. i think that one of the reasons i'm so excited to see a wave of veterans running for office on both sides is because we're used to wokking with people we disagree with, strategically, tactically. we're used to putting the mission first and understand that the important thing is to put people and the security of our country over politics and partisan. so, you know, i think that one of the things i'm doing this for is to go there and try to put an end to some of the toxic hyper partisanship. >> so where are you politically? i'm sort of center left, a little bit left of center. i've been on the air for 25 years. people know what i am. where are you? >> i'm definitely a democrat, but i am a pragmatist. i think that i've been very effective fighting in d.c. for my values and our values. but doing it in a way that's not so conflict-ridden and so

divisive. for example, when i went to d.c., i would talk to people on the left about women's rights and the constitution, but i would talk to the right about military effectiveness and retention and security and the fact that the joint chiefs all unanimously agreed that this policy was bad for the military. well need more people in d.c. who can do that, who can put their ego aside and not try to convince people of their reasons why kwlou should agree with them, but find the reasons inside them why they should agree with you. >> you're great. you're great. i mean it. you're great. thanks for coming on. >> thanks, chris. >> m.j. hagar, it was great to meet her for the first time. it's texas. it's red. she is rung against a long-term incumbent. i think she is going get this guy off his butt at least. democratic congressional candidate in texas, thanks. up next, with conflicts simmering around the world and a nuclear standoff with north korea barely on hold, insiders say defense secretary james mattis is not popular with the president anymore. what's that about?

we'll ask our round table to weigh in on that one. plus, president trump's cultural crusade. do you believe he is going after jimmy fallon? the least political of all the late night guys. oh, he shouldn't have done that you're watching "hardball." in this country that goes back to the very first day. but there's also a history of people pushing for justice. when we think about fighting the injustice that is this president, i think we should take pride in trying to be part of that tradition. we have a president that has lied over and over again. you know, donald trump is not a law-abiding citizen. president trump has made an abomination of the office. we'll ask our round table to duncan just protected his family with a $500,000 life insurance policy.

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that he had chosen john bolton as adviser, a move that mattis opposed. michael singleton, carol lisa for nbc news and author of that reporting on jame mattis and chris lu and is a senior fellow. good for you. >> thank you. >> both are very -- i'm envious of both jobs. let me go to carol. i've sensed a silence from mattis, mad dog mattis. he has not been much of a mad dog recently. his positions make more sense than trumps. >> well that. >> don't really agree on anything. even going back to the campaign they disagreed on certain issues like torture, but it was sort of papered over. and what you see in the last six to eight months is that with trump's kind of feeling emboldened himself to make his own decision and listen to his own instincts on top of hiring someone like john bolton who mattis opposed and moving pompeo

into the state department, he is listening to those folks. and the other piece here, chris, mattis doesn't have that was in alliance and rex tillerson is out. so he doesn't have a the secretary of state that he is aligned with either in the same way. >> i get the feeling when he hired john bolton, he forgot the rest of the guys. he brought in mr. neo con. why would he stick with mad dog mad tis nims anymore? >> john possibility on the, he is more in sync with trump's view of the world. >> trump is against mr. stupid wars and bolton is mr. stupid war. >> mattis represents something that is antithetical to what mr. trump is as far as that nationalist tone, as far as america's role in the world. and john bolton gives the president the necessary credence to say it is okay. >> are you part of the 93% of republicans that -- >> i'm just explaining the way

the president has thought about this, chris. >> oh my god. you don't think -- are you telling me trump is a neo con? >> i don't know if the president understands what neo conservatism is. >> chris, your view on in. i think mad dog mattis is seen by a lot of people who watch programs like this and read the paper as sort of a stabilizing force. apparently he has no role at all. >> absolutely. what we have learned is everyone in trump awes universe is disposable except for his family members, except now we're talking about the secretary of defense who is widely respected on both sides of the aisle. and the fact that the president is freelancing policy, domestic policy is troubling. it's frightening on national security issues. and maybe the reason why secretary mattis is slow walking these policies is because they're really bad policy ideas that the president -- >> that's what a cabinet member is supposed to do. they're not supposed to salute everything. in an interview last night, this is really wild. tonight show host jimmy fallon expresses regret about his lighthearted interview with president trump during the 2016

campaign. let's watch. >> i did not do it to normalize him or to say i believe in his political beliefs or any of that stuff. i don't do that with any guest. sorry. i don't want to make anyone angry. i never do. >> right. >> and i never will. it was natural the fun of the show. and i made a mistake. i'm sorry if i made anyone mad. and looking back, i would do it differently. >> i think jimmy maybe because he is at the same network as me, but i do believe what he is trying to do is channel johnny carson who never took political positions on anything. last night president trump tweeted gym v jimmy fallon is whimpering to all he did the famous hair show with me where he seriously messed up my hair and that he would have done it differently because it is said to have humanized me. he is taking heat. he called and said monster ratings. be a man, jimmy. in honor of the president's tweet, i'll be making a donation to the refugee and immigrant

services in his name. a little shot back there. chris? >> it's ironic that the president used the term "be a man." be a man sometimes is turning the other cheek, being presidential, which is a word we don't use very often with donald trump. maybe listening to his wife's advice who gave a wonderful speech yesterday to virginia teens about compassion and perfect. >> we have seen this president and he likes to take people's principles and test them and push and to get them to either give in on some of those principles or for the president to be able to win. what you've seen here is jimmy fallon now saying he is not going get involved in politics snow. going to go there and he went there because the president pushed him there. >> the things that kills mosquitos, the zz, zz. trump's got one of them. whenever he hears anybody who says it wasn't totally pro trumpian, he hears about it and immediately tweets on it. he is like one of the mosquito catchers. >> thing plays great for the base. it sort of revs up that cultural

war that republicans or at least conservatives -- >> jimmy fallon is not a cultural enemy. >> this is no longer trump. >> they don't like fallon? >> they see this as the president battling this culture war against hollywood elitists. that's the way they perceive it. >> jimmy fallon an elitist? give me a break. >> i'm not saying i see this, trump. i'm saying the perspective of trump voorts and an overwhelming number of republicans. >> it's all part of the same line we're seeing. it's this victimization, these big elites who are out to get us. >> right. >> well, the round table is sticking with us. up next, the people tell ming? i didn't know. i didn't know jimmy fallon was a political partisan first of all. you're watching "hardball." my day starts well before i'm in the kitchen. i need my blood sugar to stay in control. i need to shave my a1c. weekends are my time. i need an insulin that fits my schedule. ♪ tresiba® ready ♪ (announcer) tresiba® is used to control high blood sugar

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people. hey, it's a start, okay? >> thank you. you're republican. you're part of that nine out of ten. you've got to go along with everything. thank you, carol? >> vice president mike pence is headed to latin america tomorrow. he is going to go to -- they're saying he is going to talk about issues like venezuela and other things. but obviously happening as the controversy at the border is going on. so he's going to brazil, ecuador and guatemala where there is a guatemalan mother who had sued the government because she was separated from her 7-year-old son and they were yes rest united on saturday. does he say anything? how is he received? are there protest. >> latin america is known for its passionate leaders. they're very dramatic and charismatic. >> they don't really hold back. >> what are they going to make of this guy? >> we'll see. >> okay. go ahead, chris thinking past weekend marked the sixth anniversary of the passage of the republican tax bill. and there is a reason why donald trump is talk about ms -- >> six-month? >> six-month anniversary. it's the reason donald trump is talking:00 immigration because a

new analysis by americans for tax fairness found only 4% of workers got a pay raise as a result of the tax bill. most of that was the one-time bonuses instead of permanent increase. only 10% of the overall tax savings went to pay higher wages for workers, and overall share buyback, stock buybacks exceeded pay raises by 71 -- >> which is what equity does at the top. they buy back stock. >> absolutely. the wealthy shareholders, not to workers. >> that's why it's not helping. >> that's why he is tweeting about maxine waters and jimmy fallon. >> change the suggest, mr. president. thank you, shermichael singleton, carol lee and chris lu, who speaks truth. when we return i'll finish with "trump watch." you're watching "hardball."

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"trump watch" monday, june 25th, 2018. do you see what he is doing? do you see how donald trump rallies his troops? th in this latest one schashlgsing for all people suspected of crossing our southwest border to be taken immediately back across the border. on the surface, it's unconstitutional. while the courts will never let it stands, trump's mere proposing of it, the sheer simplicity will donald trump oppose illegal immigration and he is ready to do something about it while his critics won't. it has added firepower. by proposing to send them back trump is drawing the fire of the mainstream press.

the incoming comes from everywhere, the media, the democrats, the latino advocacy groups. and what does that all that do? it makes donald trump the last man standing against illegal immigration, the last man standing against open borders, not just the one politically opposing illegal immigration, but the last one for not doing absolutely smog to regulate immigration. what is the democrats' response? exactly what many of us want it to be, attack, attack, attack. but with his line of that attack, the message he gets across that trump's critics are opposed to doing anything about illegal immigration. that they're so upset about stopping illegal immigration trump's way they're against it stopping any other way. in other words, they're for open borders. every time trump or sarah sanders accuses of being for open borders, i hear the same strategy at work. get the democrats to scream bloody murder when trump says something to stop illegal imgz and it will sound like democrats are for open borders. it's how trump got elected. it's how he has clearly set his course to get reelected, using

democrats to help him. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. tonight on "all in" -- >> i don't want judges. i want border patrol. i want i.c.e. we don't want judges. >> donald trump demands immediate deportation. >> you ever hear of a thing like that? judges. >> tonight, the president's latest call to eviscerate the rule of law and force asylum seekers to choose between their children or deportation. then civil society responds to the trump administration. >> do you consider it a civil policy to separate more than 2,000 children from their parents? plus, the classic american company that is now a victim of donald trump's trade war. >> you can't lose a trade war. >> and why the top senate intel democrat said buckle up for a wild summer with robert mueller. >> a