americans. >> you're smarter, you're better, you're more loyal. we have the greatest base in the history of politics. we do. >> all right. listen. sarah sanders called for civility. >> we have to say we're shocked, stunned, and deeply saddened. we've got to talk about it. >> okay. we were just starting the show. >> they're rooting for my liverpool man, egypt goes up 1-0. >> okay. this is a soccer situation. sidetrack. 16 seconds in. >> i just felt it. saudi arabia was pushing up too much. what a disaster for egypt. >> there was actually a very funny tweet that said if you see an egyptian hug him because the world cup ended a very couple of difficult days for the egyptian

national team. he blew another opportunity just after that. but the egyptians did not play very well throughout the tournament and seemed to concede e of the saudi arabia era this was a lost cause. >> there's no doubt mo salat is one of the greatest football players in all of the world, but he needs some people. i talked to a up can of friends who say liverpool spoiled him. he was passing to where players should have been. were you able to pull yourself up off the floor to see some of the last games? >> i've been in world cup mode as soon as i leave "morning joe." i put my sweatpants on and -- >> fantastic. it's time for "morning joe." >> one of the teams that has not gotten the credits deserved,

iran. >> yeah. they definitely played very valiantly yesterday. we could go on all day. >> you could go on. >> but there are some people who would like us to do more than putting on sack cloth and ashes for three hours. where does the world cup stand. >> this is the most beautiful thing about the world cup sport really quickly. when you see what iran's gone through the last couple of months, you can see what these players were playing for, under sanctions, uniforms stripped, the portuguese coach of the team saying these players are playing for their pride, for their country. they were getting so much support and sympathy from fans around the world. they were playing against spain, portugal, and morocco, and to see the effort they were putting in there, you could see they were playing for so much more. that's what the world cup is really about. it brings the world together. >> actually it does bring the

world together, which is why mika hates it. >> no. it is probably misplaced. when is yasmin going have the baby? >> i'll bring it on "morning joe." >> will you? >> yes. >> yas min min, is this -- >> you look beautiful. >> thank you. >> all right, you two. that's a deal. >> let me know. i'll do the announcement. we'll see you guys tomorrow morning. let us know if you have the baby. i can't wait. so as you saw at the top of the

show, sarah sanders called for civility. >> that's good. calling for civility, my god. >> will he continue the strain of civility. >> i'm sure he would. i'm confident as we point to the screen, we're going to see him talking about lollipops and cuddly bears. >> and calling the press -- the free press enemies of the people. >> so we heard that. but let's hear some of his greatest hits. >> if you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously. okay? knock the hell -- i promise you i will pay for the legal fees, i promise. >> the guards are very gentle with him. he's walking out, big high fives, smiling, laughing. i'd like to punch him in the face, i'll tell you. >> when you get him out, try not

to hurt him. if you do, aisle defend you in court, don't worry about it. >> hillary wants to abolish, essentially abolish the second amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> yes. so donald trump's second amendment solution to a president hillary clinton. and jon meacham, yesterday -- >> jon meacham is here. >> -- of the white house and others in support of donald trump melt like precious snowflakes in the arizona sun. >> it's terrible. >> because maxine waters said some things that i thought were very regrettable and she should. have said, but you can look at that and, of course, you can say, well, wait, is she really

inciting violence because that's what a lot of paem on twitter were saying she was doing. look at the words and try to figure it out. what the president said, be careful what you ask if, was actually an incitement of violence. i do wonder how friends of mine will melt like the biggest most precious snowflake in the desert sun over something that someone might say against donald trump or against some of donald trump's people. you have duonald trump out and out calls for violence, in that case calling for the shooting of hillary clinton by second amendment people. what can we do. maybe you second amendment people can do something about it. and yesterday maxine is -- they -- i wrote a column about that when it happened. i didn't hear my friends and relatives who were such delicate

precious snowflakes saying anything about incitement during the campaign do. you think those snowflakes had earmuffs on when that was happening? >> it's cold out. >> it's cold out. >> the trump world has elevated the art of bullying to the center of the political culture, and so i don't see why -- i don't understand why they're surprise. they're probably not. they're probably faking it. one of the reasons they have a reality show is it's hard to get your bearings on what matters and what doesn't. and when you -- a, when you have to call for civility, you're probably not going to get it. civility is one of those things that -- it's like the air you breathe. it's not learned behavior, i don't think. and he managed to insult

congresswoman waters in several different ways. >> but he has repeatedly called her dumb repeatedly throughout the years. >> you know, i just don't -- what i don't quite get still is there's probably 10% to 15% of the people who say they approve of the president's job performance who really don't like any of this, and i just keep thinking of him as the 401(k) trumpites. also up from the "washington post" david ignacius a from politi politico. >> south carolina, a state i know very well, a state i love, especially the greenville area, i have known people up there for a very long time, the upstate

area. it's an extraordinary story. carroll campbell, he tur state red. he not only brought republicans into south carolina, he brought bmw and it revolutionized that state. everything followed. everything you see when you're walking down downtown greenville, wouldn't you agree, john, one of the great southern cities. greenville, south carolina, one of the great cities in south carolina. you hear german being spoken on saturday night. not because we stole their jobs but we got their jobs in greenville, schlkt donald trump is once again talking about the germans, those terrible, terrible germans and what they're doing to the good, good victims of south carolina. watch this. >> it's all working out great.

it's all working out great. and i said, look, if you want to do that, we're going put a little tariffs on your cars coming in. cars are the biggy. cars are the beingy. european union, we lost $151 billion last year with the european union. sounds nice. many of us originally came from somewhere in the european union. i had two parpts, european union. so it sounds wonderful. our country lost $151 billion. they send the mercedes, they send bmws, they send everything. i want to be able to sell cars in there leak they sell cars in here and it's all going to work out. >> i don't know if you notice, but they're looking at each other going does he know bmw revolutionalized everything up and down i-85, everything in

greenville, south carolina. just like we talked about for years, bob reilly, it's so nice to see so many protests about tuscaloosa getting all of their mercedes. i think in tuscaloosa, we're doing two or throw classes of mercedes now. >> and atlanta. >> and in atlanta. like the south, the deep south, you know. i just wonder, is donald trump like one of those rock stars that's actually in portland and he screams at the end of the concert, "thank you, cleveland" because he was in the heart, he was in the heart of bmw country where free and open trade started by carroll campbell in south carolina, revolutionized the state. >> i wasn't just in brussels, joe, last week, and i heard an earful from germans and ores talking in part about what

you're describing, the level of german investments in the u.s., autos in particular that's made them the significant export center of german cars made in the united states by american workers to other markets and talking about the net trade effects that could come as trump imposes these tariffs. more broadly, i think what europeans finally are reckoning with, the first year donald trump, they were kind of in denial, they liked mat does, they wanted continuity. they're reckoning with the reality that this is real, that the disruptive donald trump presidency really has disrupted their relationship with the united states, and now they're looking for the ways in which they can defend their own interests, their trade and commercial interests, but evening their now security interests without a reliable united states as a partner. so i heard people talking about europeans developing more

independent defense. one very prove accident european said we need a policy to speak softly and begin to build a big stick of our own so they can down the road defend themselves. people began to talk about whether they can ry on the u.s. nuclear deterrent. that's the scariest thing of all. if europeans decide we're just not credible as their defender, then we've tot do something about it. i think your points about the cars is exactly right. we missed part of how globalization really works. they invest in factories in america, they produce their cars with american works, sell them around the world. what's going to happen to that. and i got an earful last week in brussels saying we don't like where this is going. >> mike, bmw, again, i know, because i've been to south carolina a lot, i've got a lot of friends in south carolina, and i always would drive right through greenville coming up from atlanta, going up to washington or points north, and

i've seen it. i saw it through the '70s and the '80s, and the '90s. i saw it grow. it's hard to recognize the greenville of 1985 and today, again, because of carroll campbell and the fact that bmw -- again, donald trump wouldn't know this because he just doesn't read or pay attention, but bmw has been the pride of south carolina for a very long time. >> german auto manufacturing has changed much of the south. you've got bmb obviously in south carolina. >> mercedes in tuscaloosa county. >> and toyota in kentucky or parts of kentucky. it has literally transformed much of the south as well as, the bottom line, employed thousands of americans. >> by the way, mike, it's been good for america, and also there's a reason why bmw started with one line of suvs and kept

expanding and expanding in south carolina, because the workers were great there. and there's a reason why in tuscaloosa county they started with one class of mercedes and they kept expanding it out. they said it was the most profitable plant in the world. that's an alabama governor bragging to me. he said it was the most profitable plant in the world in tuscaloosa county. guess what? we're getting more jobs and more jobs. it's been great for tuscaloosa county, south carolina, tennessee, volkswagen. is volkswagen tennessee? >> chattanooga, yeah. >> it's been great. those jobs are here today because people like carroll campbell in south carolina had a vision, and i've got to ask the question. so many people in that audience cheering for trump, including the governor of south carolina

who was the head of the republican party when carroll campbell was governor of south carolina. that i know better. >> do they? >> they know better. >> do you think the crowd knows better? i don't. >> they know. no, those guys -- they can show it again. the guys in the back are going, wait a second, wait a second. we're against germany? because germany has been flooding billions and billion and billions and billions of dollars into the south carolina economy over the past 30 years. >> i mean i was struck by the number that he threw out, that the european union is costing us. i doubt that number. >> you know what? he just makes up numbers as we know. it's just like he tried to get the department of hhs, order them to do a study to see how much revenue refugees made and then they killed the report. >> trump america is starting to

hit the world hard and it has real world consequences. we reported yesterday on the show harley-davidson has announced it's moving their motorcycles from u.s. factories to erseas. >> let's stop. jon meacham, the president said the trade wars were easy. everybody since herbert hoover has known the exact opposite to be true and everybody's warned trump of this. paul ryan might be silent on this stuff. he sure as hell hasn't fought him, he hasn't forced a vote to come to the house floor. he's from wisconsin, and harley is now -- they're going to start losing jobs now because of the fecklessness of the people like paul ryan, because of the fecklessness of people like mitch mcconnell who will not put votes on the floor for conservative free trade. it's because they're not

conservatives. they're trumpists. let me say it again. they're conservatives, not trumpists. if they followed the ideology of the kochs, ronald reagan, they would have said something. they sat on their hands and are trembling. now americans are starting to lose jobs. great job, fellows. i hope it's working. >> the other is alexander who went to japan and got indevelopingment. there's a period -- i know we're not to use this word but bipartisan world. you went out and hunted for jobs an got a lot of them. the last thing is i think the last 75 years or so can be seen as this tension between fdr and reagan, right? it was a contentious but

coherent conversation. this chapter is not. >> this is not co-hernt. that is a great way of putting it. >> this is populism hand nationalism, not sure of how much they . people in bssels are trying to figure this out. it's just a chaotic period where nothing makes sense in a wei that the last three quarters of a century wherever you stood politically, it made sense. >> by the way, it made sense in not only that. it was called an american senn tre for a reason. we dominated the global stainless. i will say it again. i don't need a charge. you can look at every country and see the gdp go up and down. this from 1945 to now has been america's gdp. people can bitch and whine all they want, they can complain all they want about washington doesn't work, this doesn't work, that doesn't work. our gdp has been a consecutive

sthtine up because of the system that people from fdr through harry truman through ike through kennedy through johnson through ford through carter through reagan through bush through clinton through bush through obama all fought for, and this jackal in the white house -- can i say that? >> yep. >> i don't even know wait mean, but i think it works. this guy is going to change all that. and, yes, we've had more unprecedent economic growth than any country in the history of this planet, but i'm just going to change things because i feel like it. >> no, it's worse than that. >> weer going to see what happens. mack it down. we're going the see what happens. >> i want to get betsy woodruff in here, so zip it. in a statement harley-davidson says, quote, increasing interactional

production is to alleviate the eu tariff burden is not the company's preference, but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to customers in the eu. president responded to news on twitter. quote, surprise thad harley-davidson of all country would be the iffist to wave the white flag. i fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling in to the eu which has hurt our trade, down $151 billion. tax is just a harley excuse. be patient. in a statement republican senator ben sass said, quote, this will go over like a vespa

at sturgis. there are tax increases on americans. they don't work and parentally we're going to see more of. this betsy. >> there are taxes on americans. this is the trump tariff tax which everybody has been saying from the very beginning bchl i the way, jackal, a legend e.r.a. irishman who stands outside social influence and spit on all who tries to change. >> oh, perfect. you really nailed it. good job. betsy woodruff, talk about, first of all, harley-davidson's move and then the president's response. >> look. it's curious the president tweeted what he didn't he should not have been surprised to see harley-davidson move. you don't have to be a genius economist to understand that harley-davidson does a lot of business with the eu. you don't have to be a sooth sayer that when you tiptoe in, they're going to respond. if the united states tries to

punish other countries with trade barrier, they're going to respond in kind. and additionally and a very odd thing about that tweet was the president suggesting that harley-davidson wasn't going to pay tariffs. they are going to pay tariffs. that's how trade wars work. it's a strange curious way of him trying to defend himself when the reality is this is the way trade wars operate. this was entirely predictable. >> all right. still ahead on "morning joe," we're going to be taking a look at today's primary race. i also want to get back to that with betsy and david. with ear going to talk about what impact and chaos might have out of the white house. and we've got a new look from the southern border, how private citizens are stepping into the void that's been caused by broken government policy. you know, we saw that. i saw it firsthand after katrina how churches and citizens stepped forward. you know, we were taking water

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all right. the trump administration appears to be backing off its zero tolerance policy. the head of customs and border protection confirmed his agency stopped handing over migrants of childro the justice department until the two agencies can agree on a policy. >> that's good to hear, and i'm sure it will be consistent across the entire government. at his rally last night in south carolina, president trump made more claims about his policy of separating migrant

children from their moms and dads at the southern border. >> so last week they thought they had a great issue, and when i heard them talking about the children, first of all, they were using pictures taken in 2014 when barack obama was president. i wasn't president. and what i learned is one thing. our facilities are cleaner, better ke better kept, and better run. that's the one thing. i saw that. i said, hey, i like that. this is fine for us. the democrats want to protect illegaling coming into this country, some of whom are not good. it was a disaster for bush, although we very much appreciated laura bush's lovely letter. hey, look. i got a bad hand. >> david, this argument, i've got a bad hand, we went through

repeatedly yesterday. >> it's worth repeating. >> it is worth repeating. actually the economy has grown consist telly for seven years, the obama recovery for seven years. donald trump has inherited that. it's moved on a straight line. illegal immigration reached its peak in 2000. there is no immigration crisis because actually there's a net immigration flow back to mexico of mexicans who he's focused on, and regarding barack obama's policy, yes, the obama administration had a problem with unaccompanied minors coming to the united states, and their panik was how in the world do we get them connected with their parents. jeff sessions said, our new policy will be separating children from their parents. now, i'll say it again today.

jesus said it, i'll say it. let those who have ears to hear, hear, but that's just the reality. what donald trump said last night was a lie. the obama administration did n have this policy. this is a policy of donald trump to use the separation of 3-month-old children from their mothers as leverage in negotiations with democrats, true or false? >> well, the way in which trump having pushed this zero tolerance policy so hard until it produced a political firestorm and then saying this is really all the fault of barack obama is pretty typical. as i stand back and look at this, joe, i'm struck by the fact that our political system, which should deal with the problem of immigration, americans care about it. it's an important issue, they want it resolved, has broken. it's been now 15 years of

efforts in congress to come up with a coherent policy on immigration and have firmer control of our borders, which people want. there's nothing crazy about that. our system is unable to do it. and donald trump, rather than put together coalitions that could actually pass legislation, just plays this blame game. he arouses his base, gets them furious, blames the democrats for everything that goes wrong, and we see the absolute inability of congress after all this storm about zero tolerance and the borders unable to pass anything. we're really worse off than we were as a country coming up with a solution. that's really to me the measure of what trump has done. he makes it harder to solve problems the country cares about. you have to say, the country does care about immigration. it's an issue you have to deal with. but it's investigating further away from solution. >> the problem is he creates the

problems, he certainly created this problem. >> this is his policy. >> jeff sessions, the attorney general announced it back in march, we're going to use this as leverage, quoting the bible a week ago, ripping children from their mothers' arms. i've got to say, i've never heard romans quote kwoo it that way, but i know slave masters quote thad verse to justify slavery. segregations quoted that verse to justify segregation. i didn't think people still twist words of the bible. then he went on cnn and said, oh, knox i never intended to say that. very interesting. but, mika, donald trump's policy and stephen miller's policy has so upset actually the people who work for the federal government that you actually saw a debate

play out in front of a reporter yesterday when you actually had somebody that worked on the border, good men and women working on the border, trying the keep our border safe, talking about how the policy was terrible for these children. and then somebody from the department of hhs actually debating them, oh, no, this is everything. and then the person who was responsible working says, nope, that's actually not the case. this would have never happened without donald trump separation policy. >> and those are people on the ground who have to exude this policy, and some of them kind of wondering where it stands right now because everything has literally lurched one way and then the other in a course of weeks. just like you said, betsy, people are so embarrassed how badly this has gone, what a huge p.r. for the president.

and then another sound bite, hopefully people will get the message and pass different immigration law knowing that this would be something to send a message using these children as lere then pulling back on that the other day saying, well, i actually didn't think they would be separated. that's the attorney general. you have ivanka trump who's tweeting -- >> by the way, warning, if you come to america, you will be separated. >> and ivanka pulling back on the disastrous policy, the buffoon-like policy that has been cruel and inhumane to children, congratulations president trump, trying to make it look like he saved the day when clearly he created a problem that has still today children and babies sitting in these facilities and no clear plan, no clarity, no process

that can be given to the press or anybody who cares as to how they will be, each and every one of them, reunited with their families. >> there are deep concerns on the part of lawyers and activists who work with the families who are detained that some of them may not be reunited with their parents potentially for years. part of the reason for that is the trump administration rushed through the deportation of parents who were separated from their children, and theish there, according to a federal public defender in texas who i spoke about this recently, the ush there is a lot of parents are going back to very dangerous countries, to abject policies. many of them don't have access to stable home addresses, land lines or long distance phones. look. the administration has so much trouble communicating with itself, hhs has so much trouble communicating with the doj. the doj has trouble communicating with the whours. if they have trouble communicating with themselves, how do we expect them to

communicate with the impoveri impoverished people they've deported back to a country where they're trying to be reconnected. >> what you're saying, joe, is they'll never be reunited with their parents. >> we don't know -- >> the possibility is if you're going back to dangerous countries, we'll never be able to find these people. what's the process. >> we don't know. actually this weekend people in the trump administration said the kids are going to be reunited by the end of the day. and then on monday, we heard other people say it's complete confusion because they're making it up as they go along. now, if a president undercuts on a statement in some tweet about the rule of law or the mueller investigation or an alliance, with we've talked about this for some time, jon meacham," that's

something that can be sent out in a statement and be cleared up. here you actually see a humanitarian crisis. that's not an overstatement. forse parents separated from their children, this is a humanitarian crisis, and the problem with the incompetence of this administration, the winging of it by this president is they really don't have a policy. they keep changing it every day, and it's children. it's 3-month-olds in michigan, it's 4-year-olds in new york, it's 9-year-olds in california all across america who actually are sitting there in purgatory and also being warned don't talk to the press, or you won't get to leave for a long time. >> remember, the trip tick, the

payoff was you'll recover yours when i recover mine. the other part of it is the paintball nature of the trump administration. >> that's a great way of putting it. >> shooting, shooting, shooting. there's a real debate to be had about zero tolerance at the border but not separation of families. >> right. >> that's a genuine conversation to have. >> sure. >> and by the way, just for people, mike, who have -- >> paintball presidency. >> -- who think i have -- of course, conservatives know i'm still as conservative as i was. i haven't changed any positions. zero tolerance makes sense to me if you do it in a humane way. >> sure. >>'ve always said and this is a lot more hard line -- this is a bit of irony. i've been more hard-lined on immigration than most of my party has my entire life, but now i find myself in this position.

i've always felt, you know, the first thing you to when you come in to america, if you break the law, that's a real problem. there's a guy in pakistan who's trying to get his wife over here legally, and he's been fighting with immigration for 14 years to try to do that. there's somebody from, you know, france who's been trying to get their mother over here for ten years the right way. so i understand that. but we can do it in a human way. >> yeah, but you can't do it in a human way or any other way if you're immersed in incompetence. the fact is the bottom line of the trump administration and this particular president, he's just not very good at the job. he doesn't know how to do the job. you can encapsulate the entire immigration debate that's going on right now at certain levels of this country. it's not going on on main street every day. but it is at this level and in washington. you can encapsulate the story of this incompetence with one

9-month-old baby here in new york city today, trekked from the texas border without a parent. we don't know the baby's name. >> and we don't have a number. >> the baby doesn't have a cellphone. the baby doesn't speak really to people. we don't know anything about the baby. the government says, oh, we know where every child is, but the government, i can guarantee -- >> show us the list. show the senate the list. show law enforcement the list. show anybody the list. so coming up the "washington post" eugene robinson said he created this crisis to rile up the base and sab his own political career. and we're going to talk to david ignatius about what's happening in turkey a erdogan, president trump's buddy tightening up his power when we return. olay ultra moisture body wash

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president trump went off many of his favorite targets at his rally last night. the press, democrats, john mccain, and perhaps his biggest nemesis -- >> he hates mosquitos. >> he's ascared he might get

bitten. >> is that a snowflake thing? >> yeah. >> oh, my god. >> we're standing on the shoulders of true american patriots who put down the railro railroads, built up the highways, and dug out a thing called the panama canal and lost many, many lives doing it. mosquitos. >> they're drawn to sweat. >> he hates mosquitos. why does he hate mosquitos. we're going to have a surprise winning round with jon meacham and gene robinson and also the insights of david ignatius with what's happening on erdogan and also steve schmidt. he's going to join us for the first time since renouncing his membership with the gop calling it the party of trump, and we're

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brzezinski. he said the opportunities for turkey were extraordinary but in his final years obviously doctor brzinski greatly disappointed in the move turkey made. this past weekend will only accelerate that move away from europe. >> mika's dad saw turkey as a sign of kind of political movement toward greater democracy, toward economic growth. it's been going in reverse. it's pain to feel watch turkey. turkey's elections last saturday were a significant victory for president erdogan who has become increasingly an authoritarian leader. the terrible thing we're going to see, i fear, is that the turkish economic miracle which powered so much growth and jobs

and wealth for turks is beg beginning to go the other way. turkish wealth is rising. it was a big win for erdogan, he's likely to crack down even harder on his political enemies. for the kurdish minority in turkey it's 20% of the population. a group that erdogan in his heyday, in the days of great success, reached out to, they're frightened in retreat. the head of the kurdish political party is in prison for being a kurdish political leader. so this was a tough day for turks who wanted their country to move toward greater openness return to the growth policies it had. >> and erdogan's opponents never had a chance. it was rigged before it began with just the way he dominates that society. betsy woodruff, what are you looking at today? what will you be working on today? >> one thing i'm interested in

is what happens with the future of the flores settlement. this is a court order from the '90s that barred the the democratic national convenon of children for 20 days. republicans in the white house and capitol hill are working overtime to gut this settlement in homes that when undocumented children come into the u.s. they can keep them detained for extended periods of time. one reason that's concerning for-to-immigration advocates is that young kids -- this will shock you -- don't do well in prison like situations. in many cases, children detained for extended periods of time experience behavioral regression. the medical care in these facilities is subpar. i was told by a lawyer of one case where a four-year-old child was vomiting blood and ended up not getting the medical care she needed so what republicans are trying to do is find a way to keep these kids locked up for weeks and weeks and weeks and advocates are deeply concerned about that. >> and this is why we don't want the kids separated.

it's also very difficult whe you extend it beyond those 20 days if the republicans can do that. this is one of the reasons why -- i don't say this often -- ted cruz was right when he said let's get more federal judges down there. the more judges we have, the faster these cases can be heard and those seeking asylum can either be admitted into the united states or sent home. david ignatius, before you go, you're a big "jeopardy" fan, let's see if you can answer this question. >> okay. >> answer, daily double. >> $2,000. >> here's the clue. the co-host of "morning joe" called this national security adviser an inspiring, loving, and devoted father. >> who is henry kissinger. >> no, who is zbigniew

brzezinski. >> i was going to tell you if you said kissinger, anybody related to kissinger, you lose all of your points. >> all of them gone. >> that would have been my dad. >> david ignatius, thank you so much. betsy, thank you as well, we appreciate it. what's next? coming up, from, quote, low life stephen colbert to lost soul jimmy fallon to no talent jimmy kimmel. the president trashed late night comedians after his call for civility. plus, if the president is scared of the russia investigation now, imagine if democrats win control of congress. eugene robinson says you can smell the president's fear. gene joins us with his new column. "morning joe" is back in a moment. ♪

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and i said it's like a freebie. they were saying hillary clinton could have done that. i don't think so. it was a disaster for bush. although we very much appreciated laura bush's lovely letter. it was a disaster for obama. jimmy fallon apologized because now he's going to lose all of us. the guy on cbs i -- what a low life. what a low life. but there's no talent. they're not like talented people. now i wouldn't do his show. i made a fortune for nbc on "the apprentice," they treat me horribly. i think they're worse actually than cnn. arnold schwarzenegger, big movie star, took my place, it bombed in two shows. it was so bad they didn't believe it on one of the opposing networks, you know, the enemy. th enemy of the people, i call them. >> if the rest of the world just took a little bit of your humility and your grace to help us we'd be in a lot better position. >> i hope the king was being ironic there. maybe -- >> welcome back to "morning

joe." >> tough neighborhood. >> that is a tough neighborhood. he does live in a in a tough neighborhood. >> we have mike barnicle. pulitzer prize winning historian and author of "the soul of america, the battle for our better angels, jon meacham." >> number one in 87 countries right now. >> oh, my lord, yeah. good timing for that book. >> and number one in your hearts. >> all right, speaking of, former republican campaign strategist, msnbc political analyst steve schmidt is with us. and pulitzer prize winning columnist and associate editor of the "washington post" and msnbc political analyst eugene robinson is here. >> first of all. the lack of humility from donald trump is -- well, it's breathtaking but steve schmidt, i'm hoping some of my friends and family members who still

think donald trump is worthy of their vote will understand he's lying to them non-stop. he says he inherited a bad hand on immigration when, in fact, immigration went down eight years of the obama administrati administration. you look at the fact that we have reverse immigration going into mexico. the economy growing every year under barack obama. i ask people, google gdp. world gdp compare other countries to our's. not a close call. not a close call. this country is small and it's been moving upward. make america great again. no. america had seven straight years of an exploding economy, of illegal immigration going down. donald trump actually inherited

the best of all hands in those areas that he's now trying to screw up. >> there will be no small number of soybean farmers who lose their farms generationally because of the trade war donald trump has precipitated because when the markets dissipate, when they dry up, they're gone, the chinese been lying their soybeans from brazil, for example. but you look at his undermining of the u.s.-led liberal global order. his sundayering of the atlantic alliance. his zero sum belief that might makes right. i think there's a real lack of imagination for the capacity for tragedy in the world caused by someone like this. but we're seeing somebody use lies to incite fervor in a base. >> lies that are easily called out.

we have to build a wall, we have illegal immigration. no, illegal immigration down for eight years. the president demanded a study that he demanded shows refugees added $63 billion to our economy over the past decade. they killed the study. immigrants cause crime. all these gang members come over. no, it's .07%, something like 350 out of 300,000. >> it's a blizzard of lies where the rapidity of lying is tough to stop and refute all of them. the building of a fervor. we see scapegoating of vulnerablepopulations. we see the allegation of conspiracy, hidden nefarious forces conspiring with the scapegoated populations. we see a sense of mass victimization. the high-octane fuel of trumpism. sean hannity, laura ingraham,

everybody is a victim. now they might be a victim flying around on their g-650 but a victim they are nonetheless. and then lastly -- >> very wealthy, wealthy victims. >> and last is his assertion that he needs to use extraordinary powers that heretofore were unthinkable. >> we don't need judges. >> to protect the victims from the conspiracy and the minorities. >> that he's created. a crisis that doesn't exist that he created throughout the campaign now add another one to that. that is just sheer stupidity. he goes to greenville, south carolina, he attacks the germans. says they're dumping mercedes and bmws -- this would be the political equivalent of somebody campaigning in pittsburgh because you know what team sucks? the steelers. i can't figure out whether i hate the steelers more or the penguins more or the pirates more.

those colors just make me want to -- that's the equivalent. it's that clear. bmw, because carol campbell had the vision to open up south carolina to the world. it was a revolution. i saw greenville. >> it's an incredible city. >> it's one of the great cities in america. and he went there and attacked germans, he walked down the main street of greenville on a friday or saturday night, guess what you hear spoken? german. >> a lot of international headquartered companies in greenville. when we look at trump right now, we look at the republican party conservatism. there is only one requirement now to be leld conservative in good standing -- absolute total obedience to trump. it doesn't matter what he says so in the 240th year in the independence of the united states, in three states by 78,000 votes, the american

people by a fluke elected an imbecilic former reality tv show host and con man whose only affinity for reading anything were the adolf hitler speeches he kept on his night stand so are we on the edge of a tragedy that will unfold for this? by america's decline is beginning and we should make no mistake about this. the u.s.-led liberal global order is in peril. it's in threat. will he take us out of the world trade organization? will he undermine the international system that franklin roosevelt conceived, that harry truman built, that was sustained through ronald reagan and barack obama? it's anyone's guess but the idea that tomorrow will be okay because yesterday was or last year was is a naive view of the world. >> well, gene robinson, i love your column because it says exactly what i've been thinking but it says it so much better

and it says it on steve's point about scapegoating vulnerable populations but you say you can smell trump's fear and i see in the his behavior, honestly. you write this "president trump created an immigration crisis to stoke resentment and anger among his base, traumatizing innocent children for political gain, lacking any kind of moral compass, he makes a show of being pleased with what he has wrought. but you can smell his fear. it's foolish to underestimate the power of trump's lies. it's equally foolish, however, to look past a sign that all is not well in trumpland and that the president has rattled. he backed down, trump has to wonder if even his staunchest supporters have the stomach for the kind of cruelty inharnt in the family separation and detention camps and he has to know that backing down is a betrayal of his cull separated

brand of damn the torpedo toughness. this was supposed to be a good crisis in which only central americans got hurt. demonizing immigrants has worked in the past but he has to be worried that it's not working now but he's gone beyond demonizing, he's being cruel and inhumane and i think most americans cannot stomach that. even his base. >> they can't. and i know there's some people that have said oh, well it's not like these kids from indiana or whatever. even evangelical leaders who have been acting like pharisees and sadducees and scribes, this was a slap in the face to them. even franklin graham said this is inconsistent with christ's teaching. when we went over and worked in

katrina, there were people who went over to mississippi, louisiana after katrina hit, i saw one by one them taking the bush/cheney bumper stickers o the back of their minivans. this is not what donald trump expected. >> no, it'snot, joe and you always have to look past what trump says to what he does and figure out what is the motivation. he instituted this policy clearly to stoke some sort of enthusiasm in the form of resentment and anger among his base because he is scared beyond belief of the prospect of l either house of congress, especially the house of representatives, the vulnerable ones, in the midterm elections. he's desperate to keep republican control, he's cow it had republicans into just sort of -- into not doing their jobs, not fulfilling their constitutional role of oversi t

oversight. if he gets the democratic house he'll have committee chairman with the power to compel testimony, the power to do what the constitution intends congress to do when faced with a president like donald trump and the band of grifters he has surrounded himself with. he took this move and it didn't work the way he wanted it to. the one thing he does very well is cultivate his brand and his brand is not to back down and he backed down. >> it's hard to stoke enthusiasm when children are being taken away from their parents and may never see them again in some cases. >> and just like steve schmidt can tell us how much katrina had an impact on not only george w. bush's approval rating but the people who worked inside the bush white house. mike the images of children being taken away from their

mothers, the stories of four-month-olds being in michigan, young four-year-old girls being driven up from the border up to new york, it's going to have an impact. i've been waiting for the gallup poll to come out, he was in the 30s for most of his presidency but he moved up to 45% and i thought would lose some support this past week. gallup poll came out and he falls back to 41%, still slightly higher but obviously all of that momentum screeched to a halt and went back down which i was pretty sure was going to happen. this is barbaric a policy and too ruthless of a move to use four-month-old children as political pawns in a negotiating trick. >> i agree. i agree but this is a huge,

sprawling, interesting, diverse country and it's also a very comfortable country and we are separated from a lot of the anxious in the world still by a couple of oceans and we sit each day and we see people and as david ignatius indicated last hour, if you step back from what's going on and looking at the sprawl and daily incompetence that comes out of washington, d.c., most people have sort of accepted it. they haven't approved it. it's a big difference between acceptance and approve. but now the combination of incompetence and fear within trump himself, i think, is such that he is lashing out and he is lashing out in anger at -- now basically at children and that is going to rebound to him. >> john? >> gene, you have south carolina connections.

and so we've just saw the speech in greenville which seem to be all the contradictions in the trump era which tragically is what we're in. we're on display there because you had a little bit of mystification on his attacks on internationalism but that's also a county where trump carried it by 53,000 votes. in 2016. explain -- if a county like that which his prosperity is based on free trade can't see what's going on with trump, who will? >> it's a very good question. that's the most conservative part of the state of south carolina. at the same time, it's the most globalist part in the sense that if that's where -- that's where they make bmws, that's where a lot of international investment has come in so to give a speech like that in

greenville/spartanburg -- >> unbelievable. >> it would seem to be totally ridiculous. but there's this cult -- this element of -- a big element of cultural grievance of white cultural grievance in trump's appeal to voters and to his base and he stirs that pot and he stirs that pot t constantly. and he has established a connection with people that allows them at least for the duration of the rallies. a lot of people are going to the next morning or monday got up and went to their jobs at bmw or whatever. so it's not they entire lly buy into his line of thinking but it allows them from the duration of the rally and when they go into the voting booth to stick with donald trump because he's on their side, he's one of them and

he has told them they are aggrieved and persecuted by these liberals, by these minorities, by these latinos, by these democrats, by hillary clinton and barack obama who are all out to get them and he's going to save them and they have bought into that. >> it's really -- the tribalism is -- been noting it for 20 years. it's like a football game. people choose sides. they cheer for who they want to cheer for and donald trump actually played on the new york yankees for the equivalent of the new york yankees his entire adult life and became a met a couple years ago and now you would think that he founded the organization. he's a life long democrat, becomes a republican and now the ghost of carol campbell is rolling his eyes going what the hell? wait, i did what? they're cheering to shut down free trade when i worked my

entire life to open south carolina up to the world and it radically transformed the state for the better in every way every way. >> but, joe, it's a show to my of the people there. it's just a . >> until their jobs go away. until bmw close the plant. >> it's a great show in wisconsin until harley-davidson says we're moving jobs to europe because of donald trump's tariffs. it's a great show in iowa until soybean farmers are driven off their farms because donald trump actually is giving their jobs to china. >> they're lucky i'm not the chancellor of germany because if i was the chancellor of germany -- >> i think that every morning. >> i'd like it. >> if i was the chancellor of germany i would have the i'd say "shut down the plant."nd >> yes. >> jon meacham, the soul of

america, last night i thaulgtou there were a couple great tweets that played out really well. one, not a gate tweet, a woman going back to jim acosta and screaming at him and yelling at him. of course the end of that story always is they'll scream and yell at the reporters, the camera goes off of them and then they go "will you give me your autograph?" last night somebody was attacking poor acosta. >> jim acosta. >> and then later there was an elderly trump supporter that jim acosta saw, he handed -- he said "here, ma'am, use my chair." so she sat down and she was so grateful she asked if she could get a picture, called her son over, can you take a picture of me and mr. acosta, did so and the son said "your mama raised you right." i know these people.

i know them better than what some of them are acting like. you know them, i know them. this is a fever. charles krauthammer says we'll get through it. i don't understand it but i know that there i goodness there but i sure as hell don't understand the people cheering for -- >> baby internment camps? >> baby internment camps, for racism. i could go down the list. and i'm the first to say i don't understand what's going on for the first time in my life. >> but not in your lifetime. let's not sentimentalize our region. 55 years ago it was under

apartheid. so we're not even 55 years away from selma. so we continue to create sometimes in spite of ourselves a country where our immigration issue is that people want to come here. so there is a core but it's always one step forward and one step to the side. we passed the three year anniversary of the marriage equality decision. women haven't voted for 100 years. it's been 98 years we've allowed women to vote. i think he represents the most vivid manifestation of our least attractive and worst instincts.

and what we have to do is remember that we've always grown stronger the more widely we've opened our arms and once we realize that then i would think those folks in greenville in my state we have -- i think i'm right about this. the countyre nissan's north american headquarters is and another county where there's a huge volkswagen plant are both amazing trump counties. on what planet is that rational? >> right. >> so there has to be a -- we have to take a stand for reason. >> >> we have to go but i will say, steve it's always good to remind ourselves. eight, nine years ago the united states of america became the first majority white country to t a bck man as their leader. it hasn't happened anywhere else in the world and it won't happen anywhere else in the world for a very long time. we're that america, too.

>> i would be a wise and benevolent chancellor. [ laughter ] but look when you look at the washington monument, about a third of the way up you see a scar, a discoloration of the marble and the discoloration comes from the time when the washington nt's construction was shut down for nearly a quarter century because of the donation by pope pius ix of marble for its construction. the no-nothings came, seized the catholic marble and threw it into the potomac river. this has always been with us, this cancer, this toxin. it's like yellowstone bubbling beneath the surface. that volcanic activity and he has raised it up. and we see on the surface it's always laid beneath the grounds not too deep. all of the ugly virtues that in

our country's history we fought against as we moved from our reality closer to the near perfect ideas and ideal of the country and he's raised it and it's vile and terrible. >> and it's hard when you see it in people you care about. >> and it's anti-republican. >>. it's the antithesis of what teddy roosevelt stood for and ronald reagan stood for. >> eugene robinson. thank you very much. >> thank you mika and agood-bye to the chancellor. >> we'll look forward to the article "you can smell trump's fear." you can see in the his behavior, too. still ahead, carlos curbelo toured a facility that houses young children. we'll talk about what he saw and the prospects that congress will be able to fix the problem. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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i will be asking mr. secretary what are you hiding? i'll be calling on the secretary to explain to the american people under oath where these children are right now and where their parents are. i'm giving this advanced notice to secretary azar so that he's going to have plenty of time to find the answer. democratic senator bill nelson of florida says he will demand answers about the children when health and human services secretary, alex azar, the top official charged with reuniting the families is scheduled to appear before the senate finance committee this morning to discuss prescription drugs. that's a good warning. we're interested in the answer to that question. joining us now, senator nelson's republican colleague in the house, senator carlos

curbelo of florida. yesterday he toured a facility run by the archdiocese of miami that is housing some of the children separated from their parents as well as children who crossed into the country alone. good morning. >> good morning, mika. >> tell us what you saw? what are the conditions like? what are the questions that you had about the children? >> thank you, mika. and to senator nelson's point yesterday i did see 70 of these children. 22 of them were separated from their families at the border. the other 50 or so came across the border alone, they are a little older. we should be very grateful to catholic charities of miami. the images that we've seen have been very difficult, very painful. the images, what i witnessed yesterday at this shelter was truly uplifting.

the children all had toys. a group of small children was on their way to the seaquarium. we were able to interact with them and i looked at that and i said this is who we are as a nation. coincidentally, that's the same shelter that some 60 years ago welcomed cuban exile children who were only expecting to be there for a few months and ended up staying in the country forever for the most part. >> congressman, let me ask you, how old were the children who had been separated? >> the 22. >> the parents, the 22? >> the youngest little girl that i spoke to was five years old. >> and you could tell they had gone through a difficult experience but you could also tell that they were being treated with extraordinary kindness, that they were seeing things that they had probably never seen in their lives, they were living in air conditioning. i'm sure most of those children never experienced that and they

were getting to see my town, the city of miami. so we know that these children whether soon be reunited with their families. >> congressman, do we know that? obviously any five-year-old, even if you take them to the super bowl, it's an extraordinary -- >> they want their mom or dad or aunt. >> i know you agree and i don't want anybody to misread what you're saying here. you would agree would t -- you not that this is an extraordinarily traumatic painful experience for a five-year-old ripped from their mother's arms. you agree with that first of all, correct? >> of course. and i strongly oppose that policy and what what i can tell you, joe, is that some of the staff from the archdiocese of miami told us that already some of the children who were there were on tir way t being reyou united with their families so we know that process has started. >> okay, the process has started. do you have any information that could help us out on the -- what you said regarding -- you said

we know that all of these children will be united with their parents. that would be very good news if you have information that we don't. how do you know that and what should we know? >> so last week i met here in the capital with secretary nielsen, department of hem land security and she assured me as soon as the parents were back in her custody -- because remember they were going from department of justice back to department of homeland security then the reunification process could begin and i was happy to learn that indeed some children's parents had been releases ased to the department of homeland security and those children were on their way to being reunited with their parents. and this is what we said. we must find the balance between enforcing our country's immigration laws because we cannot be a lawless country, that is true, but we also cannot traumatize children in this way

and we have to keep families together as much as possible. >> amen. >> congressman steve schmidt, good morning. t i'm going ask you a yes or no question. appreciate your evangelism for catholic charities but i'm going ask you a question as a political leader. is this policy immoral and cruel? yes or no? >> i believe so and i've spoken out against it since day one. >> so when we hear mike pence, for example, say in his platitudes to the country "i'm a christian, i'm a conservative, i'm a republican in that order" why shouldn't i think he's a fraud? >> well, you can think whatever you want about whoever you want. i can speak for myself and i can tell you that i found that policy to be completely objectionable, wrong, immoral, unnecessary and look at what happened. the american people spoke out, members of congress from both parties spoke out and the administration backed off. this is the way it's supposed to work. it doesn't happen that way in

cuba. it doesn't happen that way in venezuela or russia so this is a difficult situation but at the end i think most americans got the result that we wanted which was to stop this. >> and congressman, again, just to underline the fact you've spoken out forcefully against this policy from day one. let me ask you about the fixes. some people are talking about getting rid of flores so the children can stay with the parents even if they're incarcerated for more than 20 days. that has issues, ted cruz talked about sending more lawyers down there, something that i think is a good idea, so you can process this these parents and hopefully quickly enough be able to turn them around in 20 days. what legislation do you see passing that has an opportunity to fix this problem so we don't ever see this happening again? >> well, what we need to do is empower the government to both be compassionate, to those who are coming to our country

because we know most of them -- and don't get me wrong, if you're a drug dealer, a human trafficker, a gang member i think you should be met with the full force of the law -- but if you were a family that is fleeing violence or looking for an opportunity to work in our country it does not mean we should just announce everyone in that situation will be allowed into the country but we should have discretion, kindness, compassion and those families should be kept together while their cases are being adjudicated. in addition to that, i think we need more judges and we have to prioritize these cases. an undocumented immigrant came alone and as an adult we give that case a lesser priority. if it's a family unit, two parents and two small children let's put that case at the top of the pile, get it processed and adjudicated so that the family won't be in detention passed a couple weeks or three weeks. >> congressman carlos you are the bellow, thank you very much

for being on the show. we appreciate your honesty on the policy. >> thank you so much, congressman. eae you with us. >> mike pence says he's a christian first, fantastic. i wonder if he has jefferson's bible, if he's cut out matthew 25. if he's cut out the part where jesus is asked by disciples who is going to be able to sit on your right hand and who will be cast away and jesus goes through the list and he talks about anyone that does this for the least among us is doing it to me, they will be with the sheep. those who don't will be with the goats. it's a straightforward, it's the red letters in the new testament. it is one of the few times where jesus says -- and i'm not a

theologian. my parents made me go to bed reading for 21 years. it's one of the few times in the new testament where jesus doesn't say we are saved by faith and we are saved by grace which we are. it's one of the few times jesus says this is what you have to do to get to heaven and if you don't do it you will not get to heaven. one of the few times he says this is it and it is. giving a couple of water in the master's name, feeding the hungry, clothing the naked, visiting those in prison and helping the least among us. all i am doing here by the way, don't hate the messenger, this is jesus talking. >> the extraordinary and astounding hypocrisy of it to see the constancy of the assertion of christian virtue by

political leaders in this country who have established internment camps for babies and toddlers. and i never in a million years thought i would sit here or anywhere and say this. but the difference now between venezuela and cuba and the united states is this -- venezuela and cuba are the countries without internment camps for babies and toddlers. >> still ahead on "morning joe," nbc's mariana atense owe introduces us to a woman who dedicated her life to helping more than 1,000 children in danger of being separated from their parents due to deportation. >> it's just amazing how a woman i've never met in my life at first can just give me so much love and welcome me so much as her own child.

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while we're focusing and for good reason on the current border crisis, the fear of children being orphaned by u.s. immigration policy has been a palpable fear for undocumented families for many years. joining us now, msnbc correspondent mariannaa atencio

who has the story of one woman who cares for over 1300 children of undocumented immigrants. something she began doing back during the george w. bush administration. tell us about this one woman. >> thank you for having me. when we're in the field it makes such a difference to have these elevated conversations. and today i want to introduce to you the story of nora. she is an immigration guardian angel, if you will, who is the legal guardian of 1305 children. 30 are under her sole care. five she has adopted and she calls them the immigration orphans. more nora sandigo is an immigration activist and legal guardian of

over 1200 migrant children. >> i miss you so much! >> reporter: children like the ones living in this trailer in homestead, florida, many of whom crossed the border just last week. some of the other kids in her care are u.s. citizens but the parents all undocumented which is why they sign over legal custody to nora in case i.c.e. tears them apart. >> they need everything. like food, roof. everything. but especially love. >> an emergency backup for fear the kids will end up in a government shelter or foster care. >> they need attention. they need support. it's like they need al second mama. >> norah gives them just that, visiting migrant children throughout the region and even housing those separated from their parents before placing them with a relative. 11-year-old yamile knows exactly what to do if she gets separated from her mom.

>> she told me to open the door just call her, call moirtar nore and pick me up. >> reporter: nora says the impact of separation on a child is devastating. >> it's so painful. it's terrible. they wait that they are separated from mama and papa. and that feeling to be alone that nobody cares. >> an immigrant from nicaragua, she knows firsthand the desperation of many parents who bring their kids over. >> it's not because they want to com come, it's because they have no choice. >> reporter: although she's been doing this work for over a decade, the fear and confusion growing since president trump took office. >> we need a president with compassion, with love, with respect for the human rights, with love for the children and

respect for family. >> nora says she has seen a spike in the number of children that have been given to her since president trump took office. 500 kids. and even during our interview, mika, she got a phone call -- we had to interrupt the interview and she said "four little ones, i can't pick them up right now, give me a second i'll finish this interview and pick them up." >> they sign their children away to her care because they're so frightened. >> imagine, as a mother telling your six-year-old, your seven-year-old, memorize this number. keep it in your pocket. just like that little girl in the propublica audio that we heard who had memorized her aunt's telephone number because these kids already know that this can happen to them. the fear that they are fleeing from in central america is so much greater that these parents would rather sign their children over to a stranger. >> and that is -- first of all, this is part of the bigger

picture. this has been going on for years this part of the story and it really gives everybody a sense of how complicated this debate is, how deeply human it is, and how heart wrenching it is. and what america is about is everything that this woman who you profiled is about. she's about the most beautiful person you can imagine doing what she's doing to try and help these children. we were talking before we went back on the air just about the process. even for you it is -- if you have means it's still an incredibly difficult process. >> i am a legal immigrant, the kind of immigrant that donald trump claims he wants. i have been in this country for ten years and i'm still not a citizen. the amount of resources and time that it takes that thankfully i have because i have worked my butt off in this country to be able to afford an attorney and i was able to come on a plane and not on foot, it can not be

underestimated. and don't get me wrong, as an immigrant, you're willing to fight and to earn the right to be a citizen of this great country because ironically it is immigrants, it's these people coming from central america, i've spoken to them, who still see this country as the beacon of freedom and democracy and it's a country where i came here ten years ago, english isn't my first language, i didn't have any connections, no green card and ten years later i'm able to sit in this table with some of the finest journalists in the country, that's only possible in the united states of america. but when the president tweets about an infestation, about this invasion, painting these people as a sort of hoard that's coming to make america brown, that it's somehow okay to take their children, it dehumanizes all of us including the legal immigrants. >> and your reporting at the border has been amazing. what has it been like covering

this story given your personal connection with the issue? >> as a latina, mika, as a woman talking to these mothers and children and as an immigrant ve personal and heart breaking. i've focused on both sides of the border. what happens to these families even when reaching the border. they're already coming here traumatized. hondur honduras, is the number one cause of death for young people younger than 18 is gang violence. and then i focused on what do the smugglers do to these people as they come over? many of them get beaten, raped, ex- torted. i found out that the going rate for a central american to be brought over is between 10 and $15,000 per person. they pay half of it up front and then when they cross the border or cross the finish line they have to keep paying this off for years and years. and for these people you know,

their word is so important to them that the smugglers know they're going to pay it off but the border patrol agents that i was embedded with told me unlike drugs and other illegal substances that we seize, these people that are seen as product by these smugglers is the only commodity that we send over back to them so they can be ex- torted over and over and over again. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> thanks for coming on. >> please come back. up next the white house is now planning a summit with a man who our next guest says is plotting to destroy democracy. "morning joe" is coming right back.

joining us now, retired navy intelligence operator. mal come nance, he's out today. how putin and his spies are undermining america.

>> let's start with the west because it's fascinating, it's not just in america what trump is trying to do. i still am optimistic he will not succeed, but you look at poland, you look at austria, you look at bulgaria, it's almost like it's pre1989 and they're fill feeling russia's pull. >> i've got some bad news for you. we are in serious trouble because the united states, we're the end of this broad ex- peermts th -- experiment. you look at governments which are very friendly to moscow. the government of autstria now has agreements with united russia. the woman who was supposed to take down emmanuel macron was going to dismantle the european union, withdraw from nato. all of the conservative movement in europe has been carefully developed by vladimir putin over the last two decades and the

united states is the end of that experiment to transform global conservatism into a russian based model. it might explain some of the things we've seen with donald trump. >> like what? >> from an intelligence perspective and i know people in counter intelligence look at donald trump and they think wow, why would this person say the things that he says? does he actually believe that nato was an instrument for bad? does he believe that the european union and the atlantic alliance that's existed since the end of world war ii should be dismantled? well, the way that donald trump developed that was at a dinner in 2013 during miss universe at the noble restaurant with 12 of the richest oligarchs in russia. when he came out of that meeting his perception of what the world should be was changed and russia has capitalized on that and

they, they're, you know, their spy master in chief has crafted a narrative so that no matter what donald trump does and says it's within the frame work they created for him. >> wow. >> well, we see a president of the united states attacking the prime minister of canada, disparaging the western alliance, the u.s. led liberal global order and as disturbing as donald trump's autocratic fetishes are, what's more disturbing is the degree to which the republican party has completely surrendered fidelity to liberal democracy. you cannot say i don't think when you watch a trump rally that the people there are fideltists to the concept of american liberty, freedom of democracy and the trad gedy of that is that we are trustees of the greatest inheritance paid

for by sacrifice for our children and grandchildren and to see the erosion of faith in democratic institutions in this country is just extraordinary in how fast it's happening. >> there's a reason for that. donald trump fundamentally does not believe in american democracy. he doesn't. look, he clearly doesn't understand the constitution. because he made that clear two years ago and this week he doesn't understand article 5 or article 14 of the constitution. equal rights under the law. so if in that context, what is his operational philosophy? and it's simple. it's autocracy. that is what he was fed in russia and that's what he believes. >> is donald trump an agent of the russian government? >> no, he's not an agent of the russian government. i believe that he started out as a useful idiot, a person who had alignment with their philosophy,

but was doing it for his own purposes. then he become an unwinning asset which is a person who is working with them but doesn't understand that the strings are on him. but i'll tell you, july 27th, 2016 when he said russia, if you're listening and you wan to release hillary clinton's e-mails, he knew people were working to benefit him and he has been working with them because they are now part of his base. he will never betray vladimir putin. he will never betray russia. >> the book is "the plot to destroy democracy." thank you very much. congratulations on the book. >> still ahead, the president continue to fling insults. we'll have trump's greatest hits and just moments ago the president tweeted harley david sovereign -- davidson is using

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with the fastest retinol formula to visibly reduce wrinkles. neutrogena®. healthy debate on political ideas is important. >> democrats want oepz borders and they don't care about crime. >> our ability to find solutions despite those disagreements is what makes us unique. >> the enemy. the enemy of the people i call them. >> that is exactly what president trump has done for all americans. >> you're smarter, you're better, you're more loyal. we have the greatest base in the history of politics. we do. >> sarah sanders called for civility from the white house podium. hours later president trump, her boss, called the free press enemies of the people. of course donald trump has a long history of incivility. here are some of his greatest hits. >> do you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato?

knock the crap out of them would you? seriously. okay? just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. i promise. >> the gods are gentle with him. he's walking out with big high fives. i'd like to punch him in the face, i tell you. >> get him out. try not to hurt him. if you do i'll defend you in court. don't worry about it. >> hillary wants to abolish essentially abolish the 2nd amendment. by the way, if she gets to pick -- if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the 2nd amendment people, maybe there is. i don't know. >> yeah, so donald trump's 2nd amendment solution to a president hillary clinton -- and john meacham, yesterday we saw some -- >> john meacham is here. >> supporters of donald trump

melt like precious snow flakes in the arizona sun. >> that's terrible. >> because maxine waters said some things that i thought were very regrettable and she shouldn't have said, but you can look at that and of course you can say well, wait, is she really inciting violence because that's what a lot of people on twitter was saying that she was doing. look at those words and figure out if she was. and the president's response, be careful what you ask for was an incitement of violence but i do wonder how relatives and friends of mine will melt like the biggest most precious snow flake in the desert sun over something that someone might say against donald trump or against some of donald trump's people. and yet donald trump just out and out calls for violence. in that case, called for the shooting of hillary clinton by

2nd amendment people. he said well, you know, what can we do? maybe you 2nd amendment people can do something about it. and yet maxine is -- they -- i wrote a column about that when it happened. i didn't hear my friends and relatives who are such delicate precious snow flakes saying anything about those actual incitement of violence during the campaign. >> yeah. >> do you think those snow flakes had earmuffs on when that was happening? >> you know, it's cold out. often cold. >> seems to me you reap what you sew. and the trump world has elevated the art of bullying to the center of the political culture. and so i don't see why -- i don't really understand why they're surprised. they're probably not. they're probably faking it. one of the problems with having a reality show presidency is it's really hard to try to get your bearings about what matters

and what doesn't. and i mean, when you have to -- a, when you have to call for civility you're probably not going to get it. civility is one of those things that you -- it's like the air you breathe. it's not learned behavior, i don't think. and he managed to insult congresswoman waters in several different ways in responding -- >> but he has repeatedly, he has called her dumb repeatedly throughout the years. >> yeah, you know, i just don't -- what i don't quite get still is there's probably 10 to 15% of the people who say they approve of the president's performance who really don't like any of this. and i just keep thinking of them as the 401(k) trumpites. because the market is up they're with him, period. >> also with us this morning columnist for the washington

post david and good to have you both with us along with mike barnicle. >> i was actually looking at some of the reviews of donald trump's speech last night in south carolina. south carolina, a state that i know very well, a state that i love especially greenville area, i've known people up there for a very long time, the upstate area. it's extraordinary story. carol campbell, he turned that state red. he not only brought republicans into power in south carolina, he brought bmw and it revolutionized that state. everything followed. everything you see when you walk in downtown greenville, one of the great southern -- wouldn't you agree, john? one of the great southern cities. greenville, south carolina, just extraordinary. you actually hear german being spoken on the streets on friday and saturday night. not because they're stealing our jobs, but because we got their jobs in greenville, south

carolina. yet donald trump last night, he's once again talking about tariffs and once again talking about the germans, those terrible, terrible germans and what they're doing to the good, good victims of south carolina. watch this. >> it's all working out great. it's all working out great. and i said, look, if you want to do that we're going to put a little tariff on your cars coming in. cars are the big give. european union, we lost $151 billion last year with the european union. sounds nice. many of us originally came from somewhere in the european union. i had two parents, european union. so it sounds wonderful. our country lost 151 billion. they send the mercedes, they send bmws, they send everything. >> i want to be able to sell cars in there just like they sell cars in here and it's all going to work out. >> i don't know if you noticed,

but the people behind donald trump are looking at each other like going, does he know that bmw revolutionized everything up and down i-85, everything in greenville, south carolina, just like we talked about for years, bob reilly, then governor of alabama say it's so nice to see protests in germany about t getting all their mercedes. i think we oar doing two or three classes of mercedes now. >> and plaeatlanta. >> i just wonder is donald trump like one of those rock stars that's actually in portland and he screams at the end of the concert, thank you, cleveland, because he was in the heart -- he was in the heart of bmw

country where free and open trade started by carol campbell in south carolina revolutionized the state. >> i was just in brussels, joe, last week and i heard an earful from germans and others talking in part about what you're describing, the level of german investment in the u.s. in autos in particular that's made the u.s. a significant export center of german cars made in the united states by american workers to other markets and talking about the net trade effects that could come as -- as trump imposes these tariffs. more broadly, i think what europeans finally are reckoning with, the first year donald trump they were kind of in denial. this will go away. they liked matt tis is so they d continuity. they're realizing this is real.

the presidency has disrupt their relationship with the united states and now they're looking for ways in which they can defend their own interests, their trade and commercial interests but even their national security interests without a reliable united states as a partner. so i heard people talking about europeans developing more independent defense. one very proud european said we need a policy to speak softly and to begin to build a big stick of our own so that they can down the road defend themselves. people even began to talk about whether they can rely on the u.s. nuclear deterrent. that's the scariest thing of all. if europeans decide we're just not credible as their defender then they've got to do something about it. so i think your point about the cars is exactly right. we miss part of how globalization really works. they invest in factories in america. they produce their cars with american workers, sell them around the world. what's going to happen to that? and i got -- i got an earful

last week in brussels from people saying we don't like where this is going. >> mike, bmw, again, i know because i've been to south carolina a lot. i've got a lot of south carolina. and i always would drive right through greenville coming up from atlanta going up to washington or points north, and i've seen it. i saw it through the 70s and the 80s and the 90s. i saw it grow. it hard to even recognize the greenville of 1985 with the greenville of today again, because carol campbell and what he brought to scarolina, and the fact that bmw actually and donald trump wouldn't know this because he just doesn't read or pay attention, but bmw has been the pride of south carolina for a very long time. >> german auto manufacturing has changed much of the south. i mean, you've got bmw obviously in south carolina. >> mercedes. >> and i think you have toyota in kentucky or parts of

kentucky. it has literally transformed much of the south as well as the bottom line here is employed thousands of americans. >> by the way, mike, it's been good for the -- for america and also there's a reason why bmw started with one line of suvs and kept expanding and expanding in south carolina, because workers were great there. and there's a reason why they started with one class of mercedes and they kept expanding it out. they said it was the most profitable plant in the world. at least that's an alabama governor bragging to me but he said it was the most profitable plant in the world. so guess what? we're getting more jobs and more jobs. it's been great for south carolina, it's been great for, you know, i think tennessee, volkswagon, is volkswagon tennessee? >> yeah. >> it's great. those jobs are here today

because people like carol campbell in south carolina had a vision and i've got to ask the question, so many people in that audience cheering for trump including the governor of south carolina who was the head of the republican party when carol campbell was governor of south carolina. they know better. >> do they? >> they know better. >> do you think the crowd knows better? i don't. >> they know -- no, those guys. we could show it again. those guys in the back going wait a second. wait, we're against germany because jermgny has begermany h flooding billions and billions and billions of dollars into the economy over the past 30 years. >> i was struck by the number that he threw out. that the european union is costing us. >> still ahead on "morning joe,"

president trump picks a fight with bikers after harley davidson reacts to punishing tariffs. the latest real world impact of the white house trade policy but first bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> we're getting new numbers in on the pawnee fire. we have 22 structures and homes that have been burned. 3,000 people have been eevacuat eevacuated. there's no rain in sight and it's zero percent containment. 600 other homes and structured are threatened by this blaze. we'll keep you posted on that in the days ahead. severe weather, we've seen a lot of heavy rain in st. louis and areas of illinois and missouri. we'll do it again this afternoon. a little bit of a break and then the storms are coming right back. we have about 16 million people at risk of severe storms here. slivers of oklahoma, kansas city to st. louis. maybe a few isolated tornados today. excessive heat. this will be the story toward the end of the week.

the building heat wave from the rockies all the way to the east coast. heat advisories will be widespread. denver up to 95. salt lake city about 100. we're not going to have record bra breaking heat, but on wednesday, tomorrow, 99 amarillo, so the heat begins to move and when you head towards the weekend it gets toasty. cleveland 95, 94. d.c. a pair of 94s over the weekend. areas outside and away from new york city, even in central new england will easily be 95 to 100 over the upcoming weekend. summer has arrived and right on schedule. the hot temperatures along with it. new york city looks like your hottest day should be sunday. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back.

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joe." president trump's trade wars are starting to hit americans with real word consequences. we reported on yesterday's show that harley-davidson announced it is promoving production of motorcycles from u.s. factories to factories overseas. in a statement harley-davidson said in part, quote, increasing international production to alleviate the eu tariff burden is not the company's preference but represents the only sustainable option to make its motorcycles accessible to the eu. retaliating against trump's steel and aluminum tariffs, they raised tax on motorcycles. the eu is the second largest market after the u.s. and the

company estimates the tariffs will cost it about $100 million annually. trump responded to the news on twitter quote, surprise that harley-davidson of all companies would be the first to wave the white flag. i fought hard for them and ultimately they will not pay tariffs selling into the eu which has hurt us badly on trade down 151 billion. tax is just a harley excuse. be patient. in a statement republican senator ben sasse says quote, this will go over like sturgis. the problem isn't that harley is unpatriotic, it's that taxes are stupid. apparently we're going to see more of this. >> their taxes on americans, this is the trump tariff tax which everybody's been saying from the very beginning. definition of jackal, a legendary irishman who stands outside social influence and spits on all who would try to

change. i think it fits. >> perfect. you really nailed it. >> talk about first of all, harley-davidson's move and then the president's response. >> look, it's curious that the president tweeted what he did because he should not have been surprised to see harley-davidson move. you don't have to be a genius economist that harley does a ton of business with the eu. you don't have to be a soothe sayer that when the united states tiptoed into trade wars, our allies are going to respond. these are the laws of thermodynamics. if the united states try to punish other countries with trade barriers they're going to respond in kind. and additionally, another very odd thing about that tweet was the president's suggesting that harley-davidson wasn't ultimately going to pay tariffs. harley-davidson is going to pay tariffs. that's how trade wars work. >> coming up on "morning joe," president trump bounces between blaming the obama and bush administrations for a policy he

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call 811 before you dig, and make sure that you and your neighbors are safe. the trump administration appears to be backing off its zero tolerance border policy, not long after some migrant parents were released to facilities, the head of customs and border protection confirmed his agency had stopped handing over migrants with children to the justice department until the two agencies can agree on a policy. at his rally last night. >> that's good to hear. and i'm sure it will be consistent across the entire government. >> uh-huh. at his rally last night in south carolina, president trump made more claims about his policy of separating migrant children from their moms and dads at the southern border. >> so last week they thought oh, they have a great issue and when i heard them talking about the children, first of all, they

were using pictures taken in 2014 when barack obama was president. i wasn't president. and what i learned is one thing. our facilities are cleaner, better kept and better run. that's the one thing i learned. okay? i saw them. but what we have is two extremes and i liked it. i said, hey, this is fine for us. the democrats want to protect illegals coming into this country, some of whom are not good. it was a disaster for bush, although we very much appreciated laura bush's lovely letter. hey, look, i got a bad hand. >> so david, this argument i've got a bad hand, we went through repeatedly yesterday. >> it's worth repeating. >> it is worth repeating. actually economy has grown consistently for seven years, the obama recovery for seven

years. donald trump inherited that. it's moved in a straight line. illegal immigration reached its peak in 2000. it's been going down consistently especially during the obama years. there is no illegal immigration crisis because actually there's a net immigration flow back to mexico of mexicans who he's focused on. and regarding barack obama's policy, yes, the obama administration had a problem with unaccompanied minors coming to the united states and their panic was how in the world do we get them connected with their parents? jeff sessions said our new policy will be separating children from their parents. now, i'll say it again today, jesus said it. i'll say it let those who have ears to hear, hear, but that's just the reality. but donald trump said last night was a lie. you know, the obama

administration did not have this policy. this is a policy of donald trump to use the separation of three month old children from their mothers as leverage in negotiations with democrats. true or false? >> well, the way in which trump having pushed this zero tolerance policy so hard until it produced a political fire storm and then saying this is really all the fall of barack obama is pretty typical. as i stand back and look at this, joe, i'm struck by the fact that our political system which should deal with the problem of immigration, americans care about it. it's an important issue. they want it resolved. it has broken. it's been now 15 years of efforts in congress to come up with a coherent policy on immigration and have firmer control of our borders which people want. there's nothing crazy about that. our system is unable to do it

and donald trump rather than put together coalitions that could actually pass legislation just plays this blame game. he -- he arouses his -- his base, gets them furious, blames the democrats for everything that goes wrong, and we see the absolute inability of congress after all this storm about zero tolerance and the borders, unable to pass anything. we're really -- we're soft in terms of where we are as a country coming up with a solution. that's really to me the measure of what trump has done. he makes it harder to solve problems the country cares about and you have to say the country does care about immigration. it's an issue we needed to deal with but it's getting further away from solution. >> coming up on "morning joe." >> the republican party endorsed roy moore for the senate in the state of alabama even though he was a credibly accused child molester. you cannot claim that you stand

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i mean, that's sort of the reaction to any bully. it tends to isolate you, and when you meet with other people and listen, you get that sense that you're not the only one who feels that way. well, i'm just grateful that everybody... that i'm not the only one that feels that trump needs to be impeached.

was ana, she had a five-year-old daughter that she was fleeing her country because of the threat of being killed and she had seen a murder right if front of her and so she wanted to take her five-year-old out of that environment and she thought coming to america we would be safe. and so she had no idea that she was going to be separated from her five-year-old daughter. and so when she got -- when she said when i finally saw the border patrol i thought oh, my god i'm going to tell them who i am. they took her, they took the

child. they arrested her and they kept them in -- together for a short period of time, and then they lined up all the parents, what she's telling me now, they lined up all the parents and basically said now we're going to take your children from you, so either we're going to take your children and put them on the bus or you put them on the bus yourself and didn't say what was going on other than we're going to separate you now. and every single one of the women and men that i spoke to had similar stories. their children were taken from them and they don't know why. they weren't told why. now, ana has not even talked to her daughter. she has no idea where her daughter is. >> in how long? >> she's been there 13 days now. >> that was senator cortez speaking with nbc news after spending two hours inside a dhs detention facility near san antonio. joining us now, syndicated co d

columnist, mona sharon. she's out with a new book. good to have you with us. >> thanks. >> and i still can't believe these stories that we're hearing from the border and that one that the senator shared where again, she mentions that she's hearing these from multiple parents, you know, separate people with the same story, that their children -- they were lined up and they said put the kids on the bus. incredible. >> again, we've been -- we've been looking at the impact of trumpism on conservatism, on the republican party and i just don't know about you just even though i was a fire breather, this was never part of the republican party of the conservative part of the movement that i learned from

william buckley or ronald reagan. >> it's to elevate cruelty. you know, it used to be two parties would argue about what was best. we have a slightly different approach but we all want what is moral, what is best and trump's contribution is to say no, no, not what's best. not what's moral. be tough, be strong. we have to push back on all of these evil doers and he elevates that as a virtue and a lot of people like it. >> i wonder if -- i wonder if -- and i know there are a lot of people that won't like me saying this, but i wonder if conservatives have grown so used to mitt romney being called cold heartless murderer, nazi to i could go back every year starting with nixon in 60, gold water in '64, nixon in '68. >> that is true. >> you can go through every year and some major figure said they

were nazis or fascist like or -- >> it's absolutely right and just as people on the conservative side are having a reckoning about things they may have overlooked on the right in the past and they're now being honest and saying well, there's this element of racism here we didn't fully grapple with. similarly on the left there needs to be a re-evaluation of the loose accusation of racism that was lodged against people like john mccain. john mccain remember the 2008 race when somebody said that obama he's a muslim. he said no, he's not. he's a christian and so on. and now very late some people on the left are giving john mccain credit for having been a decent and honorable human being. it's time for them to acknowledge that that too created some of this interparty bitterness. >> and all i'm saying here i'm not excusing trump or even the people that still follow trump even after somebody raises these

things but if the person you've been rooting for your entire adult life is termed a nazi or a racist, either directly or indirectly by -- by figures out there, at some point they're like wait a second. i've heard this before. so if they're saying that mid romney was a racist and he killed four people, well, they're saying that about trump so he must be a lot like mitt romney or john mccain. >> the person who spoke eloqu t eloquently about this was bill maher. he said it's time to recognize what trump is and what's in front of us. >> the difference. right. >> in that he's different from george w. bush, and mitt romney, people i disagree with but basically were honorable men and that the excess of rhetoric directed at them has desensitized and taken all meaning out of these words and these terms.

and so you go back ten years, someone called you a racist, you know, it hurt. it stung, but for huge sections of the country now, now it's a badge of honor. all right? it's bah badge of honor because the appropriateness that comes from it from the other side is -- is -- it doesn't have the meaning that it wants -- that it once did. it's having a devastating effect in our culture. >> and one saying yeah, i shouldn't have been quite as tough as i was. >> we need a lot more than that. we really do. because if we're going to climb out of the hole that we've dug for ourselves we need some honesty on why we're here. >> i want to talk about your book and i'm looking at the five questions the book raises and they're all so good. i'll read three of them. this is about whether or not women's full equality, did it

require a sexual revolution that could dismantle fidelity? did it cause the broken dating culture? have the strides of feminism made pim happen ner ier in thei life and their home? the answer is no. >> so start from the basics. all reasonable people, myself included i hope, believe that women are the full legal moral ethical equals of men. of course, but feminism took some wrong turns by endorsing first of all the sexual revolution. have we had enough of crotch grabbers shall we say and tennis twe -- penis tweeters in society because all of that is what the so-called rape culture on campuses, the hook up culture. the hostility between men and women. feminism has to take some

responsibility because they were cheerleaders for all of that. they thought it was part of women's liberation to endorse that. the other key mistake and i admit the feminism did many good things but the other -- >> just so they don't -- people later don't just take that clip and skewer you you're not saying feminism endorsed crotch grabbing. you're talking specifically mem nichl endorsed what? >> it endorsed destroying the old standards about courtship, about dating, about how you -- that sex needed to be kept within its box. right? and unfortunately the sexual revolution said there are no standards. anything goes and if it's sexual, great. it's just fun and it's just -- >> it's gotten to a point now where you can swipe, i don't know which way, but you swipe one way and it's talked about it in mediate hookup culture.

>> in the work place men have behaved horribly in polics, in business, wherever you look, you've seen that the sexual revolution gave permission for a kind of behavior that women do not like and the me too movement is women saying enough. and in a way, they're saying enough about the sexual revolution too. finally i'd have a lot in the book about the importance of family. i think we have oversold all of us on the importance of career. careers are great. i've enjoyed my career, but i think if we get first things first, we have to focus on the critical role of your family life and having a stable, loving home life as a goal in your life. even more important than what you do for a living because that's where the heart is and that's where the great treasure is. >> you've talked about a balance for a long time and usually people know your value and you're out there and you say

push for more money, push for this, push for that, but the younger women you talked to were always shocked when you say the first thing is you know, get married, have children, don't wake up 35 years later and say oh, my gosh, i gave it away for my career and my career never pays me back. >> i feel like young women are pressured to not show that they're interested if they are interested in having a loving relationship and a family. you know, it's not something that they should brag about. you should be focused on your career and i try to remind younger women, i say don't forget to have kids. if this is something that you want, that's one of the most consequential things you'll do. >> exactly. and most women do want it. not all. now, give the feminists credit. they made it possible for women who don't want kids to not have to apologize for them. butost women want it and

especially with women with less education. no college or they're high school dropouts. for them marriage is further and further out of reach and there are fewer and fewer men in the working class these days who have grown up in intact families, with fathers of their own so that they take, you know, step up and act like men and are responsible adults, able to be copillars of the family and this is what's driving inequality in our society. it's incredibly worrisome that marriage has become a luxury good. available on the it seems to the educated classes and much, much you have less to the lower classes. >> and john meacham has a question but i'll put a period on the end of that that it's on men too to be brought up in a way where they want a loving family and relationship, they should focus on as well. >> and easy sex is appealing to men, but in the end it's not good for them.

it's arguably worse for men to grow up in chaotic families than it is even for women. >> the traditional debate, this would quickly trigger is the question of -- in a married family staying at home versus pursuing a career. so what uwould you say to a critic who would say you're making an elitist point, many people don't have that choice. >> right. so i talk about this in sex matters. one of the things that is happening is that less educated women for example, high school graduates are being told that it's -- for them it's very hard to find husbands. very lard to find men to marry who are not either involved with the criminal justice system or on drugs or in other ways unmarchable. so what happens? these women are obliged to work full time and put their children in offense, subpar daycare. my point is, if they were to

marry a guy who is not, you know, the ceo of comcast, if they marry and all data show this, they will have -- they will have a very low chance of winding up in poverty. there's something called the success sequence so it's finish high school, get a job, any job, and get married before you have your first child. if you do all those three things, the chances of winding up in poverty are infinite and we knead to get that possibility out there. let them know the road to success because right now they are suffering far more than college educated women who have lots of choices. they can work, they can work part time. they don't have to work at all in many instances but it's the people on the other end of the scale who are suffering. >> book is "sex matters." how modern feminism lost touch

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we owe $18 trillion that's going up rapidly. very soon we'll hit the 19 mark. when we hit 24 trillion that's the point of no return. we don't come back from that. it's the magical number and we become a large scale version of greece and it's going to happen soon. >> it's actually going to happen a lot sooner because what donald trump did his first year actually added about a trillion dollars to the national debt. that was president trump talking about the national debt. that debt has climbed above $21.1 trillion under his watch. with us now former indiana congressman, david mcintosh. when we got into congress in january 1995 the national debt was about trillion.

when bush left office it was 11 trillion. when obama left it was 19 trillion. when trump leaves office on this trajectory it will be 30 trillion. it seems republicans always say the next time we get in power. the next time they trust us, then we'll conservative. any evidence of that? you have to be determined to hold the line on spending. the spending is the problem. 1.3 trillion in the bill passed by republicans in the senate and the house and you have to say no to all the spending increases and we don't see that happen at all. these tariffs could take away the benefits.

don't put the tariffs on. you have a great program with lower taxes and less regulation and now we need to not go to the tariffs so we can keep economic growth. >> president trump has been tweeting this morning about the tariffs, trade and harley davidson's decision to move production overseas. earlier this year harley davidson said they would move much of their operations to thailand. that was long before tariffs were announced. hence they were just using tariffs, trade war as an excuse. shows how unbalanced and unfair trade is but we'll fix it. we are getting other countries to reduce and eliminate tariffs and trade barriers that have been unfairly used for years against our farmers, workers and companies. we are opening up closed markets and expanding our footprint. they must play fair or they will pay tariffs. >> all right. so he's tweeting this morning going against 50 years, 60

years, 70 years of milton friedman's idea, of ronald reagan's idea, of william f. buckley's idea, that free trade actually helps the economy grow and you look at our gdp since 1945, straight line-up. >> yeah with free trade. it creates jobs in america. by the way, i like the president's announcement that we should go for zero tariffs that should be the goal with all of these trading partners. now he says we need to put tariffs on to get to zero tariffs. i don't agree with that but the goal is right. reduce the tariffs. >> he has been talking about tariffs and trade wars. >> it's the one constant. >> certainly but he doesn't know the ramifications of what

happens when you embark upon the route he's clearly taking. yes harley davidson. he made the engines in milwaukee. could be lost jobs there. they make component arts outside of pittsburgh. could be jobs lost there. on the horizon is the deal negotiating with the chinese. how dangerous do you think that is as you look at it? >> so i think we should push the chinese on intellectual property but i don't think we should put tariffs on chinese goods. those, by the way, are paid by americans. they're not paid by the chinese and if you enter into a trade war with them the whole world economy will shrink and that's the problem for us. tariffs have a counter tariffs you get into a trade war and we saw it in the great depression. we have seen it at other times where it leads to everybody being worse off. >> i've had multiple people tell me in business who negotiate with the chinese and negotiating with them is an art that you have to understand.

it's in their minds the beginning of negotiation. >> no, that's right. the deal you seal is good for the day and then you continue as you said, keep negotiating after that and americans that are successful in china understand that and they protect themselves. i think as a country we should insist on protecting our intellectual property. that's a huge problem. use pressure for that but don't start slapping on tariffs on everything made in china or everything made in europe or everything made in canada. it will end up being a disaster. >> we have less than a minute. so really quickly, final thoughts. >> well, look, the consequences of this will be paid for by american workers. the soybean farmers because when those markets go they're gone. they'll go to brazil. when the supply chain is interrupted. we have a trillion dollars of economics that flow back and forth between canada and the united states. the great lakes area, $6

trillion of economic activity, integrated supply change. the mess it could cause sun believable. >> we tried this in the 1920s and we know how that decade turned out. >> that does it for us this morning. chris picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you. great to be with you. >> thanks to all of you. this morning, there's been a change of plans. u.s. pordborder patrol announces stopped handing parents over for prosecution essentially ending the zero tolerance policy despite claims that it's still in place. >> i feel glad that the separation policies have stopped. now we need to do the best we can to reunite the family with the children. >> that's a good reminder. thousands of kids still without parents and now