i'm yasmin vossoughian alongside louis burgdorf, "morning joe" starts right now. i have put in place a zero tolerance policy for illegal entry. on our southwest border. if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you as required by law. >> the american people don't like the idea that we're separating families. we never really intended to do that. >> the rhetoric we hear from the other side on this issue, as on many others has become radicalized. we hear views on television today, that are on the lunatic fringe, frankly. and what is perhapsore galling is hypocrisy. the same people live in gated communities, many of them and are featured at events where you have to have an i.d. to even come in and hear them speak.

they like a little security around themselves, and if you try to scale the fence, believe me, they willven too happy to have you arrested and separated from your children. i would like to see that. so they want borders in their lives, but not in yours. >> jeff sessions in california yesterday -- i didn't believe it until i saw it. he's joking about the families separation policy, which he first announced in march. and later tried to deny as you saw. i think, joe, it's safe to say that thousands of children and their parents who are separated and the children being detained are not laughing this morning. and are not going along with this joke pretty well. they're not laughing, they don't consider themselves a punchline.

the biggest problem is right now, there still isn't a coherent policy, at least not a coherent policy that the president of the united states is able to enunciate. certainly not a coherent policy on how these children and how these parents are coming together we don't know h children there are. there still aren't lists, we still aren't having senators allowed to go in and visit, the american red cross, i haven't heard them visiting yet. they sure let the administration know last week that they weren't going to. so jeff sessions can't figure out where he stands on this. is he a hard liner that started the policy with donald trump or is he the guy that goes on the christian broadcast network and yes, i can say it lies and says there was never their intention to separate childrerom their parents when he said back in march it was? or is he the guy that uses child separation as a punchline that's up to jeff significances to

figure out. i will tell awe lot going on. while republicans stand silent about things such as this, and about all of donald trump's worst instincts, you had mitt romney last night winning, getting 73% of the republican primary and he wrote a pretty extraordinary. he wrote a pretty extraordinary op-ed on sunday. just to message republican voters. sort of a warning, i'm not going to be a coward like everybody in congress, i'll support donald trump when he deserves being supported. but i'm not going to cower and hide like the other quizlings on capitol hill who have done it i can name their names, we've named them. i'm not sure how they go home and see their children and look them in the eye without being ashamed. but this is what they should say on tv and then let their children know tonight that this is what will guide them.

mitt romney said you know for those who believe in supporting the trump agenda, means supporting every policy, he says, he's not going to do it. and then he goes on to say, he's going to take a a different course, he'll support the policies when they're worth it. but he will openly express disagreements with certain of the administration decisions and he talks about tpp. and i will continue to speak out when the president says or does something which is divisive, racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, dishonest or destructive to democratic institutions, and he said people ask me why i feel compelled to express my disagreements. and then he quotes martin luther king jr. who said our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter. my god, it looks like a man with

character is not afraid to speak out and tell the truth. actually just one, a republican primary and is going t united states senator. imagine that. man who can be a conservative, support trump when he deserves being supported. but not quietly hide like the speaker of the house and mitch mcconnell do when he says racist, sexist, misogynist things. what about new york state? >> we'll get to that in just a minute. but just watching jeff sessions talk fills me with despair and seeing mitt and ann romney up there persevering because they want to make a difference fills me with hope. with that we start the show and talk about new york. we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle, former nato supreme allied commander, the dean of the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts university, retired four-star navy admiral james stavridis.

white house correspondent for pbs news hour, yamish alcinder and george washington university professor jonathan turley. we have the new democratic nominee for new york's 14th congressional district. outspent 18-1, progressive community organizer, alexandria ocasio cortez, defeated congressman joe crowley last night. a party leader, seen as a potential future speaker of the house. check out reaction to her win last night. >> looking at herself on television right now. how are you feeling? put it into words. >> no. >> that kind of says it all. there's a move afoot to whether it's on you know the democratic side or the republican side, there's a move afood for some

change and i think that her background and her energy has everything to do with what's happening right now in politics. >> no doubt about it. and willie, obviously her positions are left of center. when it comes to joe crowley. they're left of center when it comes to where the dccc would want her to be. at the same time we usually find in wave elections people with positions too far right or too far left win. newt gingrich told everybody that would listen that i was far too conservative to get elected in my district. i ended up with 62% of the vote. i only say that to say that happens time and time again. so people want change. they don't look at the fine print a lot of times. they see what's happening at the border. they see what's happening in puerto rico. and they see this young woman and say, i want her to go there and shake things up.

and sometimes shocking things like this happen. >> she's going to be on our show late they are morning. it would be great to meet her and talk through some of her positions. but she worked hard for this. she's 28 years old. when she was in college at boston university, she worked in ted kennedy's office. she worked on the bernie sanders campaign. she wants medicare for all, she wants a fal jobs guarantee. we'll ask her how to pay for some of those things. her energy and enthusiasm. her youth, joe, we always talk about a candidate who fits the district the way that connor lamb fits his in pennsylvania. she fits hers, it was a smart campaign, a well-run campaign and she worked for it. i think joe crowley who a the although of people praised last night as a very good man and a good congressman. he may have taken the seat for granted. he ran unopposed for the last 14 years, a 20-year incumbent. he outspent her 18-1 on this race. didn't show up at a debate and some other things. the enthusiasm, the smarts, the

youp, the energy of alexandra ocasio cortez won out. the president shames harley-davidson as the company prepares to shift some production overseas. the president fired off a multi harley must know they won't be able to sell back into the u.s. without paying a big tax. so, joe, that story is also percolating this morning before we get to the travel ban. the president just -- i don't know where he's going with this harley thing. >> nowhere good. you know mike barnicle, i know that you have grown up knowing a few harley hogs. i certainly have. donald trump may be able to shoot somebody on fifth avenue and still not lose support, but when he tweets that he's going to destroy harley davidson by taxing them to death, he's going to destroy harley-davidson, i talked about the pittsburgh steelers yesterday this reminds

me of that great song from 1979 in ameri by charlie daniels band. you think we're weak? go put your hands on a pittsburgh steelers man and then sir think you'll understand. you don't sayou're going to purposely try to kill their company. >> first of all, let's get the tweet back up on the screen if we could. if you could get that prior tweet about harley-davidson and the president's threat. where he says, we're going to tax you, you're going to pay a big tax. what does that mean? to other american companies with operations overseas and with the confusion of the tax code. with the threat of a recession on the horizon clearly we can talk about that at some point later. what does that mean? is this president so emboldened, so free of any restraints in his own mind, as well as his own behavior, does he think that he can do whatever it is he wants to do?

to go after individual corporations and now with the supreme court decision he has successfully probably in his o mind, gone after a specific religion in this world? the muslim faith? what is going on here? we know it's an era of broken norms, but this is really nearly now approaching beyond belief. >> and where, where are the representatives? where is paul ryan today? he should beressive today, paul ryan, who represents janesville, wisconsin, part of wisconsin, where is paul ryan speaking out on this? where are republicans in the state of missouri? not only attacking donald trump's statement. but actually, mika, just explaining how unamerican it is for a president to try to act like a king and say "i, myself alone, i am going to destroy this american institution. because it's crossing me. it's not doing what i want it to

do." it's so unamerican, and i saw conservatives on twitter yesterday stating the obvious. saying the right thing. talking about how unamerican it is to use trump's centralized state to say "i'm going to destroy your company." look what he has done to amaz he's lied, pressured improperly the post office to try to do anything he can to destroy amazon, because he doesn't like the "washington post." no. this is a president clearly out of control. this is a president who is shattering constitutional norms, this is a president who does not deserve the support of conservatives. whether he has it or not. he's not a conservative. >> there's a little something for everyone in what this president is doing at this point. if you love this country and you're concerned about where 's ing. we'll turn now to the supreme court and the travel ban. >> let's go to the supreme court which has given president trump a major political victory. ruling to uphold the travel ban.

the justices ruled 5-4 yesterday to allow the ban after a series of federal court rulings previously had invalidated or aled back earlier versions. the latest version maintains limits on granting visas to travelm five of the seven countries covered by the original executive order imposed last september by presidential proclamation. iran, libya, somalia, syria and yemeare still covered by the ban which prohibits travel by north koreans and certain government officials in venezuela. chief justice john roberts said the court viewed the ability to regulate immigration as squarely within the president's powers. but justice sonia sotomayor wrote about the pain and suffering the ban inflicts on countless families and individuals, many of whom are united states citizens. roughly a year ago the president had tweeted quote, the justice

department should have stayed with the original travel ban, not the watered-down politically correct version they submitted to the supreme court. yesterday the president celebrated the justices' decision. >> a tremendous success, a tremendous victory for the american people. and for our constitution. this is a great victory for our constitution. we have to be tough and we have to be safe and we have to be secure. at a minimum we have to make sure that we vet people coming into the country we know who is coming in. we know where they're coming from. we just have to know who's coming here. the ruling shows that all of the attacks from the media and the democrats politicians are wrong and they turned out to be very wrong. >> so professor jonathan turley, let's talk about what the supreme court did and did not rule yesterday. it was not, it seems to me, a commentary by the majority on the policy itself. but rather on the president's

ability to make that policy. >> that's right. and even though the travel orders did change, the two threshold questions did not. even the challengers admitted the two key questions remained the same throughout that period. the first is whether federal law barred any type of entry limit based on national status or origin. the challenger said that federal law doesn't allow that the supreme court set aside that argument and said it does allow for that type of discrimination according to national origin. the second one, which has gotten more attention, is whether you can rely on the president's political statements from the campaign and later his tweets. and we talked about that before. you know when this whole litigation began, i said i thought the supreme court would reverse these lower courts on both of these questions. because there are longstanding cases that did seem to

contradict the lower courts, particularly in the reliance on these types of political statements. what the court said is you can't ignore the record created by the agencies. they say that they have this independent basis for doing this. so the opinion doesn't really move the ball necessarily, in president's authority it reaffirms a long set of cases. there is one thing that has been missed in a lot of the coverage. which i think is wonderful news for everyone. and that is the majority opinion written by john roberts, finally put a stake through the heart of one of the most truly reviled and abusive decisions in history. and that is karamatsu, handed down in 1942, it hasn't attracted much notice, but in almost an aside, chief justice roberts said karamatsu hasn't been technically overturned in the past, but it is dead he also said it was unconstitutional when it was written. that is the decision that led to

120,000 japanese-americans being sent to internment camps. and it is a long overdue, but boy, that was worth, certainly worth the wait to see it overturned. it should have been done much earlier than this. >> jonathan, quickly again, we've talked about this before. this really was not a surprise at all, was it? because the president, any president is granted such authority. if the president's first travel ban, if they tried to push that through, that probably would have been overturned. certainly what he said on the campaign, a ban against all muslims would have been overturned. this was narrowed to countries most of the countries that barack obama's administration said are the most dangerous countries to actually allow travel visas in from. so this was narrowed considerably. even using some of the countries that barack obama's administration focused on. >> i think this was a very

predictable result, joe. it is consistent with past cases. and it's a shot across the bow for courts below. that they're going to have to separate or insulate themselves from some of this president's incendiary language and focus on the traditional record in deciding these cases. >> admiral, let me go to you and look at libya, syria, iran, look at north korea. look at again the countries that made up the travel ban. this very narrow, libya, syria, iran, yemen, somalia, north korea, venezuela if you're selecting seven countries, to actually tighten the grip on who can get travel visas to come to the united states, that's a pretty damn good start, isn't it? >> it absolutely is. this is a rogue' gallery. but this is a good example of two things. one is as we alway say,

elections have consequences, but constitutions have consequences as well. let's start by stipulating this is the legal normative system at work. that doesn't mean it's a wise decision. it doesn't mean that it makes sense geopolitically. i just returned from asia. and i'm watching the returns in asia, if you will. and i'm seeing big muslim countries, indonesia, malaysia, countries we want on our side. to see this. i'm watching our allies in the region. sunni arab states like saudi arabia, jordan, uae. egypt, looking at this. and i'm looking at americans looking at this. i would say it's a legal decision. but boy, is it bad geopolitics. >> well -- >> what do you think the impact of it is going to be? >> when we reach out to muslim

countries to participate with us in battle against the islamic state, it will make it so much harder. when we reach out with them in every dimension to stand with us, in defending israel for example. this is a difficult, difficult move on the part of the administration. >> has isis or al qaeda been handed a bigger recruiting gift than this decision? >> never. and it will be played in the states. it will be played in the region. and above all, it will be played on facebook, twitter, where the command and control system of the islamic state resides. they will use it to recruit, proselytize and operaize. >> yamish, how does this filter through washington and politics for democrats and republicans, given the positions and the elections coming up? does this have an impact there? >> it certainly has an impact there. this supreme court decision was as much a victory for mitch mcconnell and republican who is want to bend the rules of the

senate, as it was for president p. mitch mcconnell played the long game. he said i'm going to wait and see if we can get a republican in the white house, even as president trump was running it and republicans were nervous about whether or not he was going to be able to get that seat. mitch mcconnell stood his ground and they got neil gorsuch and mitch mcconnell tweeted out a picture yesterday of him shaking hands with neil gorsuch. it was because mitch mcconnell feels like if there's anything that the republicans did, we insured that the supreme court is going to have our back here. and the supreme court, the other panelists can talk about how legal this is if a political point of view. the dissent said we're worried about this because of what the president said on the campaign trail. because of the fact he's been talking about muslims in the derogatory way and the supreme court said hey, the president has these powers and that's it there's a lot of talk about president trump's rhetoric. we're seeing that the republicans essentially pushed for, aren't going to bring his

tweets and conversations into the supreme court when they're making these decisions, think when we're looking at the mid tes and down the line, for president trump this was a huge victory. it's a promise he made on the campaign trail. lot of his supporters i talk to feel very much like he's keeping his promises when he's doing this. so in some ways it really helps president trump do that. for democrats, i think it gives them something to talk about to say this is the thing that the republicans have done when you give them power. >> he praises the courts when they rule for him. say they're illegitimate when they rule against him. but fortunately the courts are still doing what they think the constitution guides them to do. jonathan turley there have been times over the past four or five years where we've come to the end of the session and we've gotten a list of supreme court decisions that have come out. we've looked through them and

we've been surprised when john roberts upheld obamacare. we've been surprised with other decisions where this court didn't act like you wouldxpect a traditionally conservative court to act. we were surprised a month or so ago when neilch was a deciding vote in a 5-4 decision with the more progressive members of the supreme court. but by and far this session has seemed to be more conservative than recent years, has it not? >> it has. this has been a good term for conservatives, we're expecting the janice case to come down in favor of the conservative viewpoint which is a case dealing with the union dues. and whether a public employee has to pay a fine, even though not a fine, a fee for the work of the union. it's expected that longstanding debate will be resolved. probably by justice alito writing for the majority. against the unions that can

present a very significant hit for the unions financially. but as you know, there have been a series of decisions that broke favor of the right. i don't think anything has happened. this is just the order of the cases and how they came up. after all, kennedy i not reluctant to vote against the conservatives when he feels it's needed. even john roberts has broken from the conservative wing on things like the individual mandate of obamacare. and we saw on carpenter, gorsuch going with the left on privacy. this has been a good term for conservatives. there's no question about it. >> really has, willie, one real missed opportunity as far as i'm concerned, when it comes to gerrymandering, the court for the most part not only sort of -- took a pass on it, they made it much harder for anybody challenging gerrymandered districts that really do seem to twist democracy in knots. >> that got buried a little bit

upped this travel ban. but that's an important one as well. i want to point out, i think, joe, that this decision yesterday for a lot of people who voted for donald trump who had to hold their noses, it was about a supreme court ice, but gorsuch, yeah, but we got gorsuch, yesterday is a validation for them. that the vote that they put in, that mitch mcconnell helped to hold u merritt garland. they got gorsuch and they expect others to benefit for that for that they can justify their vote for donald trump and continue to support him. >> unfortunately, mika, the ends justify the means, i guess if you're mitch mcconnell and not only that. but he rubs, he rubs half of america's noses in mud. by trolling them after supreme court decision which admiral stavridis said is going to have terrible consequences globally

for the united states of america. but mitch mcconnell is who mitch mcconnell is. and right now, he is blindly, he is blindly a trumpist. and good luck with that. if that's how he wants to be remembered, and that is how he will be remembered. that as well as destroying the way the united states senate selects supreme court justices. that's his legacy. i hope he enjoys it. >> well they all have found a brand that they will live with forever. jonathan turley, thank you very much. still ahead, senate democrats trying to get answers about the border crisis. hhs secretary alex caesar says hundreds of children and families have been reunited. but the numbers don't seem to add up. we still have a lot of questions hanging out there about the fate of these children. plus, how worried are nato allies about a potential summit between president trump and vladimir putin?

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family members, as long as the person is not in detention. last night hhs says it is still receiving separated kids, if there was a credible question of jeopardy or criminality. aczar also claimed it's easy to locate children in this exchange with democratic senator ron widen. >> how many parents have been told where their kids are? >> every parent has access to know where their child is we want toin sure that -- >> that's the 800 number. how many parents were actually told where their kids are? you said they have access. and this is just in my view, part of the rosy responses the american people have been getting and it sure doesn't line up with the firsthand accounts of parents that i hear from who deerately want to know where their kids are. >> there's reason why any parent would not know where their child is located. i could at the stroke of keystrokes i've sat on the orr

portal, with just basic keystrokes within seconds, could find any child in our care for any parent. >> how difficult has it been to match up these parents with their children? >> it's extremely. it seems there is no plan. it is veryhectic. right now we have parents looking for the children. and they are crying, they are looking elsewhere for help and support to know where are the children. i think that has been coming, another crisis that, on top of the crisis of them being separated. >> i'm, i'm not evene where to begin this is outrageous. how cot head of the hhs say that? when it is so clear what is happening on the ground. >> it's going to be impossible to reunite some of these kids with their parents, especially since some of them have been deported is he outright lying? what's happening here? i saw a statement from an

administration official this past weekend where i thought they said that the children were going to be reconnected with the parents by the end of the weekend. they, the biggest problem is, admiral stavridis let me go to you here. this process is not transparent at all, united states senators are not -- i mean, the thing to do would be for hhs to let the senators come in. look at their system, go into the facilities, at the facilities, but as i said last week, i had a top intel person that was involved in the c.i.a.'s program, to that had black sites saying last week that this reminded him of our black programs after 9/11. because you don't know who's inside the facilities, there is no access to those facilities, and the outside world is completely shut out of those

facilities. there's no transparency whatsoever in those facilities, which is why they're called black sites. and here we are, three, four weekslater, we, we have a centralized state run by donald trump that is still keeping us from seeing where 3-month-old children are being incarcerated. where they're being detained. >> indeed, joe, before i was a nato commander, i spent three years as head of the u.s. southern command. looking at everything south. of the united states. part of my responsibility was running the guantanamo bay detention facility. i can assure you at guantanamo bay there are regular inspections. international committee of the red cross comes frequently. senators, congressmen are constantly in and out of that facility. we know how to do this. we know how to do this in a humane, sensible way. we shouldn't be doing it, because it's a humanitarian disaster. as per our conversation about

the muslim ban, another terrible signal to this world to the south. which is enormous. back to the election, as the candidate of ocasio. the other element is the latino population of the united states is watching closely, that's a political question that ultimately will have to be answered. 15% of our population today speaks spanish as a first or strong second language. by mid century that will be 30%. so this is a big basket of difficult issues going forward. please let's start at the humanitarian level, solve it and let's work on how we present ourselves to this world to the south. again, bad geopolitics, bad humanitarian work. >> you've just said, i hope everybody is listening at home. you were the admiral responsible for gitmo.

and at gitmo you were required to allow senators, congressmen -- >> media. >> other government officials, media, to come through, i know that the media regularly flew down and would inspect gitmo. so you're telling me there's more transparency, there's more transparency at gitmo where we had terrorists and suspected terrorists locked up, than there are at these sites where they're holding 3-month-old babies? >> that's exactly right, from everything can e. and let's face it we have a humanitarian imperative here. i think we have a geopolitical imperative here. sand we have a security imperative, we need to control our borders, i got that. let's do it in a way that makes sense, let's use technology more sensibly and let's start by taking care of children on the borders can we really do that,

please? >> if you haven't crystallized the issue, if people don't get it after hearing that, i don't know where we're going. still ahead, national security adviser john bolton will be meeting with vladimir putin today. but we didn't learn that from the trump administration. made the announcement.edia tha i repeat, we heard this from russian state media coming up next on "morning joe."

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joining us, national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan, as russian president vladimir putin is slated to meet today with trump's national security adviser, john bolton at the kremlin. jonathan, good morning, always good to see you, you've got new reporting on why ama's allies are worried about the trump/putin summit next month and what is bolton's mission as he sits down with putin today? >> well, i interviewed four senior officials from four different nato member countries. they're all very worried about this potential trump/putin summit. what they're worried about is frankly a repeat of what we saw at the g7 in singapore. which is trump going and picking fights with some of his closest allies and turning around and having quite a warm meeting with

a dictator. and we could see that again here, with the nato member nations worried that trump will come in, beat them up over not meeting their defense spending commitments and we'll have a very warm summit with vladimir putin. and i spoke to poland senator and secretary of state anna maria anders yesterday, she said she's worried that putin will charm donald trump into giving something away. and she said he's a very charming man, vladimir putin. i'm worried that donald trump will give something away. she's particularly worried about u.s. forces on polish soil any concession there. and you've got to remember, these senior officials just watched donald trump leave the kim jong un summit and say no more war games. they're very provocative. so you transplant that into a nato/russia context and it's concerning for a lot of these

>> jonathan in your reporting today, we're told that john bolton is going to be in moscow, meeting at the kremlin with vladimir putin. john bolton's past attitudes toward russia are somewhat different than donald trump's careening and constantly changing attitudes towards russia. what is going to go on today at the kremlin, acording to your sources what what do you think is going to happen here? >> i found this out about two minutes ago from russian state media. i had no idea that putin was going this meeting. i was on the phone to senior officials last night. so this was news to me, but you know john bolton's record on russia is very, very clear. and well documented. in some ways it doesn't matter. because he's representing a president and nobody speaks for donald trump. and one of the problems that european officing is when they talk to the white house and they try to pin them down on what do you want to achieve from this meeting with the russians, they don't get any clear answers.

because the sense from a senior european official who has been in touch with the white house, they said the sense they get is that donald trump doesn't know what he wants to achieve and has just sort of said get me in the room with this guy and we'll figure it out. >> jonathan can i ask a quick one? the real issue here in a lot of ways is the distraction factor. in other words the heads of state and government i've been to many of these nato summits, you know they have serious issues they want to get on the table. they can't get to it. what are a couple of the serious issues that are kind of being boxed out here? >> you know better thanme, i'm more, what they've told me is more what they're worried about in terms of donald trump's you know, interactions with vladimir putin. and how that would potentially weaken what is already fractured alliance. look, donald trump himself is fixated on the defense spending, that's the issue that he's fixated on. he sees nato as a collection of countries that owe america

money. and aren't pulling their weight. and that is the frame in which he views nato. they have real concerns about russian aggression, russian interference in their countries. ukraine, syria, you know you know this better than i do. these are all very very important issues with you know russia -- overshadowing all of this. and you have the potential for potentially a disastrous summit. >> indeed you do. just to close it out in addition to the issues you mentioned correctly, afghanistan. we have 25,000 nato troops still in afghanistan. in a serious fight. but i bet that issue won't even bubble to the table. let alone the islamic state. it will get overadowed by the theatrics of this. >> and by the way, we don't have to lean on russian state media any more. nbc news can confirm through a senior administration official that john bolton, the national security adviser will meet today at the kremlin with vladimir putin so yamiche, to jonathan's

earlier point. the president of the united states has shown a tendency to attack people like kim jong un on twitter and when gets into a summit with him, back-slapping and walking away with giving the leader of north korea some concession. he's been a little more hesitant or a the although more hesitant to go after vladimir putin publicly. but what does the white house want to get out of this? what is the point of the summit exactly? >> well in some ways the white house something really, they're keeping their cards close to their chest when you think of what president trump wants to get out of this meeting. the president has been backed into a corner when it comes to his relationship with russia on the one end there's russian investigation that's hanging over his head. and the president i think wants to appear as though he's not fully concerned about the political issues that are might go along with meeting with vladimir putin. there have been some reports that some people in his administration have been very wary of the fact that he would look it would look bad to sit down with vladimir putin, given all that's going on. and president trump says look, no, i want to sit down with this person. i want to look as though i'm

happy and i'm a strong person who doesn't have to be worried about whether or not the russian investigation is going on. soy think it if anything, they want the optics of it there are obviously some things that russia has done, like the annexation of crimea and other things that they want to talk about. they also of course, president trump, i was at the g7 when president trump floated the idea of russia playing more of a role there and going back to the g8. >> jonathan swan, thank you very much, still ahead, since taking office, the "washington post" has found that president trump has made more than 3,000 false or misleading claims. that's about six or seven a day. last week he may have broke an record, though, that's coming up on morning joe. they appear out of nowhere.

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tell untruths, lies, last week was a particularly prolific week for president trump. according to an analysis from the "toronto star," trump made 103 false claims last week. an average of 15 per day. my gut is, the mueller stuff is bothering him a lot or he got a call he didn't like. that's usually what happens. that shattered his previous one-week record of 60 from back in march. per the paper, as president trump makes an average of 101 false claims per month. joe. and this really does have serious implications in terms of our democracy. >> well, yeah, it sends an amazing -- it sends a terrible message globally, and anyone who suggests it doesn't are either ignorant or liars and just dupes for trump, because admiral, we

grew up in a time when we were in the middle of the cold war and it was russia who were currently churning out lies. leaders saying things everyone knew that wasn't true. the joke in america, if somebody said something that was blatantly dishonest, somebody would say, are you working for provda now. and at the beginning of the gulf war, everybody joked about baghdad bob, saying things that he knew was false and people watching knew was false, but he would say them anyway. what is the impact globally when we have a president who does that, who says things that are false, he knows they're false, the reporters know they're false. and yes, even most of his followers know that they're false, but they repeat them anyway, because they want to blindly follow a man that so many of them are in this personality cult with. >> you know, this is often called gaslighting. it's just repeating something over and over again until your

followers just kind of accept it. and i'll answer the question, how is it affecting us, by saying, i've been on the road for about two weeks in europe, asia, hong kg, singapore, france, italy. i spend half my time in every ind of explaining what's going on with our president and our administration. it's enormous sand in the gears and this is really what the nato heads of state and government are concerned about. it's all a distraction. and it has significant potential consequence if we don't have credibility in crisis. and that is what really ought to concern us. >> right. >> well, admiral -- >> you know, mika, we were talking, mika, about all of donald trump's lies, about what was happening on the border. and we went through them, one by one by one a couple of days o. talk about our allies. talk about the impact. donald trump is not only lying about what's happening on our

borders and in our country every day. and again, this is an opinion. it's verifiable. put one tweet next to another. put one statement next to another. put one image next to another. put one chart next to another. it's objectively verifiable facts. he's not only lying about what's happening in america. last week, he lied about what was going on in germany, saying, because of angelamerkel's immigratio es, crime in germany is at an all-time high and her approval ratings are at an all-time low. that actually objectifiably, both of those statements were false. angela merkel is the most popular politician in germany and german crime is at a generational low. so what impact does that have on perhaps our most important european ally when our commander in chief, our president is lying about their internal affairs and lying about the person that runs their country? >> long-term impact. our strategic alliances, those

behind closed doors and above boor, are being whittled away. the united states is being brought down. everything that we stand for and our place in the world, he's chipping away at it every day. and at some point, hopefully, americans will understand what is happening. i don't think there's a deep understanding across the board about how vital it is that we are respected. not about strong, it's about respect. admiral avridis, thank you very much. appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," more on the reaction to the supreme court's decision to hold up president trump's travel ban. senate foreign relations member chris coons is planning to introduce anti-discrimination legislation in the wake of that ruling. the senator will join our discussion. plus, new york congressman crowley pays tribute to the woman who ended his ten-turn run with a song and a lot of class. and not just any song. we'll talk to the 28-year-old

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is the hypocrisy. these same people live in gated communities, many of them, and are featured at events where you have to have an i.d. to even come in and hear them speak. if you try to scale the fence, believe me, they'll be even too happy to have to have you arrested and separated from your children. i would like to see that. so they want borders inir lives, but not in yours. >> yeah, okay. that's just not funny. why were they laughing? what's going on? jeff sessions, who's got a lot of different versions of jeff sessions, first announcing the policy, then saying, well, he didn't want families to be separating, and then joking about families being separating at the border. it's not funny.

>> yeah, i mean -- yeah, no. actually, the parallels -- i didn't get the parallels. bob hope, this guy is not. there were actually no parallels to what we're talking about, seizing 3-month-old baby from their mothers while they're breast-feeding and putting them on buses and driving them 2,000 miles to new york city with a government contractor that's not allowed to touch them, hug them. many who don't even speak spanish. it is remarkable that the guy says, this is our policy. we're going to separate parents from childrens a deterrent. then he goes after -- he gets in trouble, goes on the christian broadcasting network and said, we never intended to do that and a week later he's joking out in california. >> it's chilling that they were laughing and clapping. >> yeah, they were with, i

guess, elites out there, that they're so elite, i wonder what the security was like in there, that they're able to laugh about parents who have had children torn from their arms. i don't get it. i will say this, willie geist. some elections last night that happened. a big election in new york state that we're going to talk about. but first, mitt romney, a guy who when he moved to utah, i'm sure a lot of people didn't think that mitt romney was going to get back involved in politics. he did. he won by a massive landslide last night and willie, he won saying, i'm going to washington, but i'm not going to be like mitch mcconnell or paul ryan, i'm not going to be trump's puppet. if he does something i disagree, i'm going to speak out. >> imagine that. somebody who's consistent that way. >> loves the country. >> when he is appalled by something the president does, will say so. and it was actually just a couple of day before utah

republicans chose mitt romney as their senate nominee last night, he published an op-ed, this is two days before the election, declaring his independence from president trump. he wrote this. i have and will continue to speak out when the president says or does something which is divisive, racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, dishonest or destructive to democratic institutions. i do not make this a daily commentary. i express contrary views only when i believe it is a matter of substantial significance. he goes on, people ask me why i feel compelled to express my agreement with the president. i believe that when you are known as a member of a team a t something you feel is morally wrong, if you stay silent, you tacitly consent to the captain's posture. joe, reme, it was over two years ago during the campaign, mitt romney delivered that speech. he then when president trump was elected, showed a willingness to work with him when he was appropriate. but again saying, this is as he's trying to be elected in a state where donald trump is popular, i'm not going to go along the way paul ryan and

mitch mcconnell have. i'm going to be my own man. if you don't like that, don't vote for me. and he won last night by a big margin. >> won by a big margin. and jon meacham, you know, we haven't been asking much of republicans on capitol hill here. we haven't been asking that they put hillary clinton bumper stickers on the back of their cars. we haven't been asking them to wear bernie for america t-shirts. we haven't even asked them to vote moderate, let alone liberal. let them vote conservative. all we've been asking and wondering about is why did they let all the racist comments go by without being openly critical and pushing back on the president? why do they let the misogynistic statements go forward without pushing back on the president. the attacks on the rule of law. the attacks on the constitutional norms. mitt romney did it there on sunday, got elected by 73%. i would like to say that the fever is breaking, but the fever is not breaking because paul ryan and mitch mcconnell are

still cowering in the corner and won't call him out for his more destructive policies. but, is there an historical parallel? this isn't quite a "have you no shame" moment, but what do you think of mitt romney saying that on sunday and two days later, winning a republican landslide? >> one thing it tells me is his polls were really going into the weekend. the other thing, someone once said, there's a reason "profiles in courage" was just one volume. you know, there aren't a gazillion examples of this. and i think when you talk to senators, congressmen are a le different, as you know, but the senators will say, i'm looking at 75, 80% of republican approval rating in my state. and my own view, and i said this to a senator recently, and fortunately, he laughed and agreed with it, but it was a close call. i said, my sense of view, sir, is you will throw yourself in

front of the train, but at the very last minute. and i think that's romney was saying there. i'm not going to do it every day. because let's bo honest, if you could do it every day, you could just be on television. it's just a constant twitter feed on these things. i think it's really fascinating, and we will parse paragraphs like that forever, that former republican nominee, someone who very nearly became president, a moderate republican governor of massachusetts, who went more conservative, all of that is forced to say, i'm only going to comment on racism when it's substantial. >> well, knowing him pretty well, there's one added factor i would put into the mix here. at this stage of his life, having experienced everything he's experienced, success, financial success, political success, as well as defeat, he's a free man. and as a free man, he will be a truthful man. >> that's a beautiful thing, for sure. as we just heard, pulitzer prize-winning historian jon meacham with us. he's the author of the new

best-selling book, "the soul of america: the battle for our better angels." also with us, professor of history at tulane university, walter isaacson. >> oh, boy. >> good to have walter onboard. >> and u.s. attorney and msnbc contributor, barbara mcquade. a lot to g this morning. we want to s with the supreme court, which has given president trump a major political victory, ruling to uphold his travel ban. the justices ruled 5-4 yesterday to allow the ban after a series of federal court rulings had previously invalidated or scaled back earlier versions of it. the latest version maintains limits on granting visas to travelers from five of the seven countries covered by the original executive order imposed last september by presidential proclamation. iran, libya, somalia, syria and yemen are still covered by the ban, which also prohibits travel by north koreans and certain government officials in venezuela. writing for the majority, chief

justice john roberts said that the court viewed the ability to regulate immigration as squarely within a president's powers. but justice sonia sotomayor, who wrote a dissent said that the ruling ignores the pain and suffering the bans upon countless families and individuals, many of whom are united states citizens. the decision marks an end to months of legal battles over a key part of the president's immigration policy. roughly one year ago, the president had tweeted, "the justice department should have stayed with the original travel ban, not the watered down politically correct version they submitted to the supreme court." but yesterday, he celebrated the justices' decision. >> a tremendous success, a tremendous victory for the american people and for our constitution. this is a great victory for our constitution. we have to be tough and we have to be safe.

and we have to be secure. at a minimum, we have to make sure that we vet people coming into the country. we know who's coming in. we know where they're coming from. we just have to know who's coming here. the ruling shows that all of the attacks from the media and the democrat politicians are wrong, and they turned out to be very wrong. >> so barbara mcquade, we've been talking this morning about what this 5-4 decision means and what it does not mean. your reading of it this morning. last hour, jonathan turley said, this really was more about the president's authority to make this policy and not a commentary by the court on the policy itself. >> well, it's really interesting to note. first, there was a 5-4 decision. and i think one can't help but wonder what the decision might have been if we had justice merrick garland on the court as opposed to justice neil gorsuch. but if you look at the opinion written by justice roberts, he goes through great pains to talk

about the history of rhetoric by other presidents who talk about how there's no place for bigotry in america. and he said, we need to look past the words of this president and look to the power of the presidency. and said that because it was religious neutral on its face, the travel ban, you know, should be upheld under the presidential power. but i think one thing that is really noteworthy is even what president trump calls that this was a watered down version of theravel ban. this was not the travel ban that sally yates refused to defend, which was travel ban 1.0. this was, as he said, watered down. and i think if there's a silver lining here, it's that the protests and the litigation around the country did have an impact in pushing the administration towards a more neutral travel ban than was initially put out, which included things like denial of entry for people with green cards, which was on its face indefensible. >> joe? >> yeah, you know, walter isaacson, it is -- this is travel ban 3.0. i mean, well, actually 4.0 if you look at what the president

promised to do in december of 2014 where he said he was going to have a policy that banned all muslims from entering the united states. clearly unconstitutional. his first travel ban, clearly unconstitutional. the second one, perhaps unconstitutional, but i look at this 5-4 decision and i think, for me, what's remarkable is how close this decision was. and i do think the president's rhetoric played a large -- if barack obama had tried to do the identical thing back in 2015, and used the same data that donald trump used, there would probably be an 8-1 decision. because this is an area where presidents are given extraordinary deference. but i think his own words almost tripped him up. and that's why it was a 5-4 decision. didn't.st tripped him up, but say it was a close call. if you read justice roberts'

decision, it's like the poor justice, who's a decent, straightforward guy, has twisted himself into a pretzel. because he quotes over and over again the anti-islam anti-muslim statements of president trump and candidate trump andalling a muslim ban and a way to exclude muslims in the country. over and over again, quoting trump saying that. and then it's weird, he has to say, but we don't believe the president saying this reall makes it this way. when, in fact, it was clearly motivated by anti-muslim animus. as justice sotomayor said. so when you have a chief justice of the supreme court that has to spin around and say, here's all the things he said, but we're going to t to decide it as if the president's own views were not motivating the president's order. and that's weird and i deeply

feel that roberts has got to understand howd his open opi is. how close it is to being almost incomprehensible. >> so, barbara mentioned the name merrick garland, whose nomination was held up and effectively killed by senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. mcconnell supreme court's decision tonight president's travel ban, and perhaps more specifically, justice neil gorsuch's role in the ruling. mcconnell tweeted this photograph yesterday. mcconnell famously blocked president obama from filling the supreme court seat after justice antonin scleelalia's death i that allowed president trump to nominate gorsuch, which was part of the decision upholding the ban. and a group of protesters confronted mcconnell and his wife elaine chao last night. the protesters played audio published of propublica of

migrant children crying after being taken from their parents, asking mcconnell, why are you separating the families? secretary chao can be seen shouting back for the protesters to leave her husband alone. so jon meacham, we'll put that video to the side for just a moment. back to the merrick garland point, we don't know exactly how he would have voted. but obviously, mitch mcconnell and the people who supported the move by mitch mcconnell to kill that nomination are happy this morning, because they got judge gorsuch and perhaps this decision out of it. >> it was a generational victory. gorsuch is a young man. i suspect he might be looking at 40 years or so. and mcconnell and really an unprecedented -- not a word we use much -- power play. a raw move pre-trump. let's be clear, decides that he's going to hold obama hostage, basically. and in many ways, overturn 230 years of presidential persistent in terms of supreme court appointments. in and it was shocking then and

it proved shockingly effective. and the real question is going to be, ultimately, when the shoe is on the other foot, war that the democrats going to do? and you know, it wouldn't stun me to see -- i'm sure -- i don't know this, but i suspect people in the party are arguing, well, if i were a democratic strategist, i would say, well, you know what, trump didn't win the popular vote. why don't we just filibuster any appointment and just rock 'n' roll? you know, and rock along. i think we've -- the supreme court has always been just, you know, obviously, clearly a political body. the supreme court nominations now have been wednesdaponized is war that i don't think we've seen the end of it. >> joe? >> yeah, and i think, mike barnicle, that will be -- we talked about it last hour, the legacy of mitch mcconnell. one of the great legacies is making dysfunctional one of the

most important things the united states senate does, and that is, of course, advise and consent the president of the united states on his nomination to the supreme court. and with mitch mcconnell, there was no advise, there was no consent. there was just -- he just killed it. >> joe, yesterday i was talking to a longtime courtobserver, quite a close court observer, and they indicated that they felt strongly that the court, the supreme court of the united states was now nearly as polarized as the rest of the country seems to be. this was off of reading the opinions. and barbara, let me ask you. walter isaacson was just indicating his disbelief at parts of the chief justices' majority opinion yesterday. a little truth in packaging here. i am of limited intellect, but i, too, read that justice roberts' opinion. and it struck me that he was so

conflicted about the president's past statements about the muslim faith and muslims specifically, that the decision he finally came down, speaking for the majority, that in my mind, it was a little like a murder case, a dna murder case, where the prosecutor utilizes the weapon as the principle point of evidence and says, yeah, we have dna, but it's not necessarily, you know, going to be used here. was i wrong? >> no, i think you're right. i think justice roberts was clearly very troubled by the rhetoric. he goes toreat pains to give this lengthy history lesson of all of the things that prior presidents have said against bigotry. but then said the power of the presidency is such that we should defer to him in matters of national security, and so we should set aside all of these things that president trump has said and look at the language of the proclamation, the executive order itself, because it is the power of the presidency that is at issue here, not the power of

this president. and you know, inlg t think the dissenters thought, how can you possibly ignore all of this language? this is clearly a pretext for an anti-muslim animus. and the president said so himself. but justice roberts said, we set that all aside, because he wanted to use what is known as a rational basis test. and if you can find any rational basis to support the decision, then you should. and he said that if you look just at what they're doing, it affects really only 8% of the world's muslims. that it is neutral on its face as to religion, then it can be supported. it so real down to whether you are willing to look at these, what he called extrinsic statements or focus on the language of the proclamation itself. and that's where the majority and the dissenters disagreed. >> but with the concern here, walter isaacson, that there is a pretext for anti-muslim animus, and that this is a ban that ultimately could embolden terrorists around the world,

that along with the parallel story of the separations at t borders, what would be your concern about this moment in history? as we look back on it. and where this could go. >> i'll go back to justice roberts' decision, which two-thirds of it was very convincing. we've had certain norms in the country, when it comes to things like religion, immigration, whatever it may be. and we are now knocking down all of those norms. what justice roberts said, he starts with george washington, goes all the way through eisenhower to say, we've been a nation that's been tolerant in terms of religion and not used religious tests when we made laws. and then goes on to criticize trump for saying all the opposite things. whether it's mitch mcconnell holding up merrick garland, whether it's a separation of the border for political and just amoral reasons or whether it's this type of rhetoric that

divides us based on religion, and of course, most deeply, the that keeps being emboldened and coming out, these are all breaking of historic norms. jon meacham's book talks about other times when we have reached those norms. but we never got past the fail-safe point. we always knew we could pull ourselves back. we are nearing a fail-safe point where it maybe hard to walk some of this stuff, this breaking of the norms back. >> walter isaacson, thank. and barbara mcquade, thank you as well. still ahead on "morning joe," senate foreign relations member chris coons says the supreme court ruling to uphold trump's travel ban doesn't reflect u.s. values. the senator joins us next in the wake of that decision. plus, new polling shows that a majority of americans are concerned about the state of democracy within the united states. we're digging into those new numbers. you're watching "morning

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joining u now, member of the senate forei relatns committee, democrat chris coons of delaware. yesterday, senator coons he has he plans to introduce anti legislation as a result of trump's travel ban. there's concerns internationally about terrorists being emboldened by this ban. what are your concerns about what could happen here in this country? >> well, mika, first, i'm concerned that the president is going to use this to feed into his false narrative that democrats aren't concerned about keeping our country safe and strengthening our borders. along with many other democrats, i co-sponsored a comprehensive immigration reform bill that would invest billions ofollars in border security, in strengthening our visa systems and make sugar we know who is coming and who's leaving.

and so i utterly reject the false narrative that democrats don't care about border security. but we also care about american values. about not tearing families apart at the border as a tool in our ongoing immigration fight. and about not accepting a blanket ban on muslims coming to this president. president trump, as candidate trump, said clearly and repeatedly, he was calling for a complete and total ban on muslims coming to this country. on his third try, he managed to get a travel ban that the supreme court in a narrow 5-4 ruling decided was constitutional. but just because the supreme court has ruled that it's constitutional doesn't mean that it fits with our core values. do think there's ways that we can strengthen the immigration and nationality act to make sure that we are complying with our most important fundamental values of nondiscrimination against people for their religion. >> jon meacham? >> senator, if one of the supreme court justices announced their retirement in the next couple of weeks, would you entertain at all the question of

whether, in fact, the democrats in the senate should support the confirmation of a replacement under president trump? >> well, with right now, we'd have real difficulty preventing the confirmation of replacemder. under our current rules. the republican majority would proceed with hearings on the judiciary committee and would likely proceed to a floor vote. as you know better than most folks, jon, we've had hearing after hearing, week after week on the judiciary committee, where the long-respected rules that have prevented the minority from being run over in terms of who's confirmed for circuit court judges have been changed. and we're not following the blue slip the way we did for most of the last century. we're not following long-established traditions. so if that happens, i think we're going to have a battle royale in the senate about it. but at this point, it would be quite difficult for democrats to actually block a nominee, unless there were republicans who opposed that nominee as well. >> mike? >> senator, you're on that train to wilmington quite often, going

back to america, going back to the normal part of america apart from washington, d.c. we have a president w intent on fng nearly every day and every issue with a campaign element called fear. everything -- nearly everything he says or does, he injects a little fear into it. fear of the other, fear of immigration, fear of past failures haunting us, that he's the guy who has to turn everything around. so let me ask you, when you think about what the president says and when you think about the environment that you live in, not the senate, but wilmington, delaware, do you at all fear that the president is heading down a path, running for re-election of a white america? >> well, what the president stkfulst successfully tapped into in his 2016 campaign, was millions of americans who felt they were on

the outside, felt they we resp felt that the ture for them and their kids wasn't getting brighter. and he made a lot of promises. and one of the things that's concerning me is he's keeping his bad promises and breaking his good promises. so he promised that we'd all get better health care and lower costs. and the opposite is happening. they tried and fail to repeal the affordable care act, so the president is now tearing it down a piece at a time. now going a pre-existing condition protections. he promised he would make america safer, but he's focusing on dividing us from our allies with this tariff fight, with canada, with germany. you've got harley-davidson threatening to begin manufacturing more of its motorcycles overseas. so he is injecting fear, as you say, mike, that's the way he's going about campaigning, as he governs. and my concern is that we need a message in my party that is optimistic and that talks about how we can all do better when we are a more welcoming, optimistic, and positive society. sometimes it's hard to beat fear

and anger and division with civility and progress and optimism, but i think that's the message that will ultimately succeed. and that's why i keep legislating and working hard across the aisle. two different bills i've worked on a long time. one with bob corker, one with marco rubio. just got out of committee yesterday on two different committees to help americans save for college and to help us grow export markets around the world. and fight poverty in the developing world. i think it's important for us to show that if we get control of the house or the senate, that we can do things to not just keep america safe, but to bring us together and make us stronger. >> senator coons, it's willie geist. good to see you this morning. you've. outspoken over the last couple of weeks about the separation of families across the southern border. and yesterday in front of the finance committee, you had the health and human services, alex azar, in his sworn testimony saying the following, quote, there is no reason why my parent would not know where their child is located. at keystrokes, i sat on the orr

port portal, with basic keystrokes, i could find any child in our care for any parent. is it true it's that easy for parents and children to be reunited along the border. and if it's true, why isn't it happening faster? >> that's a great question, and i appreciate your raising it. be need to hold this administration accountable. first, this was a humanitarian crisis of president trump's making. there was no urgent need for them to begin a zero-tolerance policy that force apply separated parents and children sometimes by a thousand or 2,000 miles except as a tool to prevent others coming to this country seeking refugee and to get the advantages they were looking for in advancing their conservative agenda on immigration, like building the wall. it may be that easy, i don't know. secretary azar testified under oath that it's that easy, but it isn't happening. despite the president signing an executive order, secretary azar testified yesterday that there's still 2,000 children separated from their parents. >> so what's taking so long, senator?

people watching from the outside don't get it. if the problem has been identified and the administration says it's working quick tly to make these reunifications happen, why aren't they happ >> these children have been separated all over thecountry. and frankly, i don't know yet it's a lack will or resources or a lack of time. but we need to hold the administration accountable for the fact that they've created this crisis. they've promised they'll resolve it. and they are not making progress yet that they should in reuniting parents anddren. and in stopping this policy, reversing this policy. as his testimony revealed yesterday, it's unclear what will happen to those families that were separated weeks or months ago, and it's unclear whether they might at some point renew this practice of separating children and parents. >> senator coons,ore you i would love to hear what you think is happening inside the democratic party. i'm pointing to this incredible upset victory by this young woman, alexandria ocasio-cortez,

outspent 18-1, defeating joe crowley in new york's 14th ssional district. people woke up to a new leader this morning in the new york city area. rican.g lalatina, half prto at is this saying about w happening inside the democratic party km. >> well, first, it's a reminder to everyone who's elected to pay attention to your home district. and as you well remember, mika, i got elected in 2010 in no small part, because a long-respected statewide republican party leader lost in an upset primary where very small percentage of people voted. 30,000 people voted in that primary last night. she's a very compelling speaker, she's got a bright future. i know joe crowley. he's been a huge figure in new york politics for a long time now. and this does create a challenge in terms of future leadership in the house, in the democratic caucus. but i think this is also an opportunity. it's a reminder of how much energy there is out there.

how many folks want to come out and get engaged and participate. we've got a lot of new young first-time candidates, and i welcome that. i think that's the kind of energy our party needs to take the majority bin the house. >> all right, senator chris coo coons, thank you very much. and still ahead, we're going to speak to the candidate herself. seven months ago, she was bartending and waiting tables. now, less than a year later, she's on track to possibly become the youngest woman ever elec congress. al zaexandriaocasco cortez wille our guest after her stunning defeat of congressman joe crowley, last night. you've tried moisturizer after moisturizer

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president trump took aim at one of america's best-known companies yesterday, responding to the news that harley-davidson is moving some production overseas. trump fired off a series of tweets, including this one. "harley must know that they won't be able to sell back into u.s. without paying a big tax." it's important to note that harley-davidson's moving production of bikes bound for the eu overseas, so those motorcycles would not be sent back to the u.s. anyway. the president also threatened a

tax increase on the american company, while predicting its downfall. the president writing "a harley-davidson should never be built in another country, never. their employees and customers tmove watch.ery angry at them. it will the beginning of the end. they surrendered. they quit! the aural be gone and they will be taxed like never before." president trump discussed the harley situation and took aim at critics of his tariff and trade war strategy during a lunch with lawmakers. >> we inherited horrible trade deals. that's going really well. and just remember, we're the bank. we're the bank that everybody wants to steal from and plunder. and it can't be that way anymore. now, we've got a little bit of uncertainty because of trade. to me, there's no uncertainty. and to people that happen to be smart, there's no uncertainty. so tariffs could be a very positive thing. no, we're doing the right thing, 100%.

-- going to do that. they announced it early this year. so harley-davidson is using that as an excuse. and i don't like that, because i've been very good to harley-davidson and they used it at an excuse. and i think the people that ride harleys are not happy with harley-davidand i wouldn't be either. >> and here, jon meacham, is the bridge too far. yesterday, jack daniels of lynchburg, tennessee, announced it is raising prices in europe, its fourth biggest market by 10% because of this tariff back and forth. joe, it's so interesting to listen to the president talk about harley-davidson. everything is a reflection of how that company or that person speaks about donald trump or makes him look. he loved harley-davidson during the campaign, he loved harley-davidson until about two days ago. talked about them all the time. and when they take action because of something he did, placing tariffs on them and not understanding the implications of it, now he attacks them relentlessly on twitter. >> well, and we're going to talk about a david brooks column pretty soon, where david brooks

says, at some point, you have to choose are you a republican or are you a conservative? i can tell you, i saw a lot of good conservatives yesterday coming out, saying, you can't have a leader singling out an american company, saying they're going to destroy san american company with taxes. it's -- it is, it's un-american as so many other things that this president has done. but conservatives understand that. but willie, you know, there's always this interesting -- there's this tic that he has. oh, you can't believe what bad trade deals we inherited. well, actually, what he did was he walked away from tpp and we literal literally ceded asia over to china. china is thrilled by what's happened there. if you look at -- you know, he said, oh, we inherited a terrible iran nuclear deal. i didn't like the iran nuclear deal, but what did he do? he got out of it. so now we ceded all control of ir iran's nuclear development to

europe. he's attacking mexico, he's attacking canada we're pushing our closest trading partners away from us. and the consequences, again, are pretty devastating. and, willie, again, i've known people that have owned harley-davidsons their entire life and i know that their loyalty to that brand is much more intense than their loyalty to a politician who switched parties a couple of years ago. and now is going out, promising that he and he alone is going to destroy this iconic american company. >> and john, to joe's point about being a republican or a conservative, true conservatives have been consistent right throughout. whether it's amazon or it's harley-davidson, when the president singles out and chooses a private company and attacks them and hurts their bottom line in some cases, that's not conservatism, not that donald trump is terribly

concerned with that. he's concerned with his own impression and his own fate. but that is not something a president should be doing. >> and i think the instasignifi of it is instability and uncertainty. and for whatever reason, the markets have not reacted to -- i mean, they're beginning to react on the tariffs. some talabout recessionary signs. this is a whole different conversation if we're in a recession. >> righ >> and the tides of history suggest there's going to be one. so suddenly -- right now, it feels kind of like political paintball. what he's doing right now. taking shots at harley-davidson. how many harley-davidsons are there. jack daniels, that's a serious thing. >> yes. >> he was my best friend in college. we roomed together. good guy. but you take the market down 2,500 points. you see unemployment start to go up. you see people who are these

kind of 401(k) trumpists, who are with him right now because t -- they're doing pretty well. but suddenly they're not doing well. and suddenly this white working class vote that supported him, made him president, you know, the are a t of those folks, remarkably, who voted for obama and for trump. now, that means you are clearly up for grabs in a presidential election. and so if all of this stuff creates the tariffs, the talk, all of this creates more economic uncertainty, then he begins to put himself in genuine political danger. >> all right, coming up, the federal court gets involved in the trump administration's family separation policy. complicating the issue even more. we'll have the new order on reuniting children with their parents. plus, the woman who defeated house democratic caucus chairman joe crowley, alexandria ocasio-cortez will be our guest,

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latest column for "the new york times" entitled "republican or choose."tive, you have to in it, he writes, never-trumpers are having an interesting debate over the question, is it time to leave the republican party? george will and steve schmidt say yes. the trumpian rot is all the way down. bill kristo says not so fast. once donald trump falls, the party could be brought back to health and the fight has to be within the party as well as without it. my instinct is that w can clarify this debate by returning to first principles. everybody in the conversation is conservative. where do conservative loyalties lie? how can we serve those loyalties in these circumstances? today, you can be a conservative or a republican, but you can't

be both? the new threats to the sacred space demand a fundamental rethinking for conservatives. you can't do that rethinking if you are imprisoned in a partisan mindset, or if you dismiss half of americans because they are on the "other team." it's complicated, joe, right now to be a republican. >> it is complicated. and there are no easy answers. i made the choice i made based on charlottesville, based on the muslim ban, based on donald trump preaching moral equivalence basically providing aid and comfort to david duke and the klan claiming back -- on the eve of super tuesday that he just couldn't really figure out what the deal was with duke and this ku klux klan. he wouldn't make any real statements on it. jon meacham, we've talked about

the republican party. the republican party -- what you write about in your book is really also an internal struggle in the republican party, and it's always been that way. it's the forces of good against the forces that want to take this country back. >> yeah. i mean the party starts in 1854. it was the first party with an explicitly moral claim in the country, which was anti-slavery. the wigs couldn't kocome up wita coherent answer. already in 1860 you had this tension because what does lincoln do in his first inaugural? he says slavery's safe where it is, you have nothing to fear from me, but i'm not going to extend it. then it took two more years for emancipation and the republicans

turned on andrew johnson in reconstruction. the other great moment in the life of the republican party was the switch during the civil lights movement. >> joe, to be clear, your decision wasn't specifically and only on donald trump, though some major decisions and ways that he handled situations played into it. there was a complicity within the republican party that you couldn't live with, and i think that's important. because i do think you love the republican party that you once were a part of and you wish it still existed. >> well, i love my country. >> yeah. >> and my family and my god and was always a republican only because its political principles were closest to mine. certainly where the democratic party is right now is something that i just don't relate to. when it comes to governing this

country, i've always been a simple guy. i have been for a quarter of a century in public life. i'm concerned about the national debt. i'm concerned that we have rational, reasonable foreign policy, that we're not going all over the world in military adventurism, but also that we're not isationists. i'm concerned about social security and medicare and medicaid are going to go bankrupt. liberal economists have been lying about that for years. this is going to happen. this is something we've been warning the country about for a quarter century now. mike barnicle, republicans have also talked about free trade. they've talked about open markets. they've talked about moving away from a centralized state. what i've talked about constantly has been -- and people like mark sanford and people like matt sammon.

we talked about bringing as much power and authority home that was practical. now here we have a republican president who is the most power-hungry president in our life times. what other president -- i said that. and i know that there are going to be some anti-anti-trumpsters out there who are too cowardly to attack those who make extreme statements. who else in our lifetime, mike, has sent somebody out on a sunday morning show to say the president's authority cannot be questioned? who else in our lifetime has badgered the head of the post office four, five, six times to try to purposely destroy a single company in amazon.com because they don't like the owner owns.mething that the who else in our lifetime has looked at a motorcycle company, an american institution, and said, "i will destroy them with taxes if they are not supportive

of me." who? who but donald trump? >> so, joe, that's the roo of ck question to you. i mean everything that you've mentioned, every issue that you mentioned, everything that david brooks has written about, all has too with ideology. what's the larger bottom line issue for the republican party? to address the ideology of true conservatism? or is it to define themselves with character and courage which seems to be missing in that party. >> well, you know, mika, it is very simple. i say this specifically to paul ryan. i say it specifically to mitch mcconnell. you can follow mitt romney's lead. there is now a lead you can follow. you can say i support donald trump when he's cutting taxes. i support donald trump when he has a strong military. i support donald trump when he does the right thing. but when he says racist comments, i'm going to call him out. when he says massage db massage

nis tick comments, i'm going to call him out. when he insults angela merkel and ourlosest allies, i'm going to call him out. but if he's conservative, yes, i'll support him all i can. that's all we require of these republican leaders. it's all their families should require of them. it's all their constituents should require of them. lead. go to your town hall meetings and lead. explain why you're doing what you're doing at town hall meetings. your constituents will follow you if you lead. >> that's for sure. donald trump is one person. at this point the republican party has made him much bigger than he needs to be. still ahead, we'll talk to the 28-year-old new yorker who managed to knock off a ten-term house democrat and party boss in her first ever election. "morning joe" is coming right back. j.d.power dependability award for its midsize car-the chevy malibu.

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tolerance policy for illegal entry on our southwest border. if you are smuggling a child, then we will prosecute you. and that child may be separated from you, as required by law. >> the american people don't like the idea that we're separating families. we never really inten to do that. >> what is perhaps more galling is the hypocrisy. these same people live in gated communities, many of them, and are featured at events where you have to have an i.d. to even come in and hear them speak. i h they like a little security around themselves. if you try to scale the fence, believe me, they'll be even too happy to have you arrested and separated from your children. >> jeff sessions in california

yesterday -- i didn't believe it until i saw it -- he's joking about the family separation policy which he first announced in march and later tried to deny, as you saw. i think, joe, it is safe to say the thousands of children and their parents who are separated and the children being detained are not laughing this morning. and are not going along with this joke pretty well. >> well, they're not laughing. they certainly don't consider themself a punch line and the biggest problem is right now there still isn't a coherent policy, at least not a coherent policy that the president of the united states is able to enunciate. certainly not a coherent policy on how these children and how these parents are coming together. we don't know how many children there are. there still aren't lists. we still aren't having senators allowed to go in and visit. the american red cross, i haven't heard them visiting yet.

they sure let the administration know last week that they -- jeff sessions can't figure out where he stands on this. is he the hardliner that started the policy with donald trump? or is he the guy that goes on the christian broadcast network and, yes, i can say it, lies, saying it was never their intention to separate children from their parents when he said back in march it was? or is it the guy that uses child separation as a punch line. that's up to jeff sessions to figure out. i will tell you, mika, a lot going on. while republicans stand silent about things such as this, and about all of donald trump's worst instincts who had mitt romney last night winning, getting 73% in the republican d he wrote a pretty extraordinary -- if you've got one second, he wrote a pretty extraordinary op-ed on sunday,

just a message to republican voters. just sort of a warning, "i'm not going to be a coward like everybody in congress. i'll support donald trump when he deserves being supported. but i'm not going to cower and hide like the other quizzlings on capitol hill who have already done it. i've already named their names. i'm not sure how they go home and see their children and look them in the eye without being ashamed. but this is what they should say on tv, and then let their children know tonight that this is what will guide them. mitt romney said, you know, for those who believe that supporting the trump agenda means supporting every policy, he says he's not going to do it. then he goes on to say, he's going to take a different course. he'll support the policies when they're worth it, but he will openly express his disagreements with certain of the administration decisions. and he talks about tpp. and, i will continue to speak out when the president says or

does something which is divisive, racist, sexist, anti-immigrant, dishonest, or destructive to democratic institutions. and he said people ask me why i feel compelled to express my disagreements. and thene quotes martin luther king who says, our lives begin to end the day we become silent about things that matter." my god. it looks like a man with character is not afraid to speak out and tell the truth. actually, just won a republican primary and is going to be a united states senator. imagine that, a man who could be conservative, support trump when he deserves being supported, but not quietly hide like the speaker of the house and mitch mcconnell do when he says racist, sexist, misogynist things. what about new york state? we'll get to that in just minute.

but just watching jeff sessions talk fills me with despair and seeing mitt and ann rom standing up there persevering because they want to make a difference fills me with hope. with that, we start the show and talk about new york. we have veteran columnist and msnbc contributor mike barnicle. former nato supreme allied commander, now the dean of the fletcher school of law and diplomacy at tufts university, dr navy admiral james stavridis. he is chief international security and diplomacy analyst for nbc news and msnbc. white house correspondent for pbs news hour, yamiche al cindor. and jonathan turley. joe, we have a lot to get through this morning, including the new democratic nominee for new york's 14th congressional district, outspent 18-1. progressive community organizer alexandria ocasio-cortez is pretty shocked this morning,

defeating congressman joe crowley last night. a party leader was seen as a potential future speaker of the house. check out her reaction to her win last night. >> she's looking at herself on television right how are you fe? can you put it into words? >> nope. >> that kind of says it all. there's a move afoot to -- whether it's on the democratic side or the republican si there's move afoot for some change. and i think that her background and her energy has everything to do with what's happening right now in politics. >> yeah. no doubt about it. willie, obviously her positions are left of center when it comes to joe crowley. they're left of center when it comes to where the dccc would want her to be. at the same time we usually find in wave elections people with

positions too far right or too far left win. newt gingrich told everybody that would listen that i was far too conservative to get elected in my district. i ended up with 62% of the vote. i only say that to say, that happens time and time and time again. eople want change. and they don't look at the fine print a lot of times. they see what's happening at the border. they see what's happening in puerto rico. and they see this young woman and say i want her to go there and shake things up. sometimes shocking things like this happen. >> by the way, she's going to be on our show a little bit later this morning. it will be great to meet her and talk through some of her positions. but she's worked hard for this. she's 28 years old. when she was in college at boston university she worked in ted kennedy's office. she worked on the bernie sanders' campaign. her beliefs are well known. she wants medicare for all, a federal jobs guarantee. we'll ask her how to pay for some of those things. but her energy, her enthusiasm,

her youth -- joe, we always talk about a candidate who fits a district in the way that conor lamb fits his in pennsylvania, she fits hers. it was a smart campaign, a well-run campaign. as i say, she worked for it. th of people praise last night as a very good man, good congressman, he may have taken the seat for granted. he'd run unopposed for the last 14 years, a 20-year incumbent. he outspent her 18-1 on this race. didn't show up at a debate and some other things. but the enthusiasm, the smarts, the youth, the energy of alexandria ocasio-cortez won out last night. >> there's also president trump's ongoingort to shame harley-davidson as the company prepares to shift some production overseas inesponse to the president's tariff fight. the president fired off a multitude of tweets, including, quote, harley must know that they won't be able to sell back in to u.s. without paying a big tax. so, joe, that story's also p

rcolating this morning before we get to the travel ban. the president, i just don't know where he's going with this harley thing. >> it is nowhere good. you know, mike barnicle, i know that you have grown up knowing a few harley hogs. i ctainly have. donald trump may be able to shoot somebody on 5th avenue and still notose support, but when he tweets that he's going to destroy harley-davi taxing them to dekath? he's going to destroy harley-davidson? i talked about the pittsburgh steelers yesterday. this sort of reminds me about that great song from 1979 in america by charlie daniels band, they say, you think we're weak? just go put your hands on a pittsburgh steelers fan. and then, sir, i believe you'll understand. the same applies for harley-davidson and harley owners. you don't say you're going to purposely try to kill their compan >> joe, first of all, let's get that tweet back up on the screen, if we could.

alex, if you could get that prior tweet about harley-davidson and the president's threat where he says you're -- we're going to tax you, you're going to pay a big tax. what does that mean to other american companies with operations overseas and with the confusion of the tax code, with the threat o a recession on the horizon, clearly. we can talk about that at some point later. what does that mean? is this president so emboldened, so free of any restraints in his own mind, as well as his own behavior, does he think that he can do whatever it is he wants to do, to go avid corporations and now with the supreme court decision he has successful, probably in his own mind, gone after a specific religion in this world, the muslim faith? and what is going on here? we know it's an era of broken norms. but this is really nearly now approaching beyond belief. >> and where -- where are the representatives, where is paul ryan today? >> good question. >> he should be aggressive

today. paul ryan represents janesville wisconsin, part of wisconsin. where is paul ryan speaking out on this? where are republicans in the state of missouri? not only attacking donald trump's statement, but actually, mika, just explaining how un-american it is for a president to try to act like a king and say, "i, myself alone, i am going to destroy this americantitution because it's crossing me." "it's not doing what i want it to do." it's so un-american. i saw conservatives on twitter yesterday stating the obvious, saying the right thing, talking about how un-american it is to use trump centralized state to say i'm going to destroy a company. look what he has done to amazon. he's lied. he's pressured improperly the post office to try to do anything he can to destroy

amazon because he doesn't like "the washington post." no. this is a president clearly out of control. this is a president who is shattering constitutional norms. this is a president w d not deserve the support of conservatives. whether he has it or not. because he's not a conservative. tillstill ahead on "morning joe" -- reaction to the president's third travel ban being upheld by the supreme court. but justice sewed miotomayor sa intention was clear. plus, new york's alexandria ocasio-cortez will join us here on set after her upset victory over the fourth-ranking house democrat. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> good morning to you, mika. we are getting ready for a heat wave but first we have to deal with severe storms today. areas of kentucky at risk, almost down to atlanta. 7 million people wind damage. now let's talk about our big summer heat wave that's going to

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trump a major political victory, ruling to uphold the travel ban. the justices ruled 5-4 xwryestey to allow the ban after several court rulings invalidated or scaled back latest versions. the latest maintains limiting visas from travelers from 5 to 7 countries from the executive order imposed last september by presidential proclamation. iran, libya, somalia, and yemen are still covered by the ban which also prohibits travel by north koreans and certain government officials in venezuela. writing for the majority, chief justice john roberts said the court viewed the ability to regulate immigration as squarely within a president's powers. but justice sonia sotomayor who wrote a dissent said that the ruling ignores the "pain and suffering" the ban inflicts on countless families and individuals, many of whom are united states citizens. the decision marks an end to 15 months of legal battles over a key part of the president's immigration policy. roughly a year ago the president

had tweeted, quote, the justice department should have stayed with the original travel ban, not the watered down, politically correct version they submitted to supreme court. but yesterday the president celebrated the justices' decision. >> a tremendous success, a tremendous victory for the american people and for our constitution. this is a great victory for our constitution. we have to be tough and we have to be safe ande have to be secure. at a minimum, we have to make sure that we vet people coming in to the country. we know who's coming in. we know where they're coming from. we just have to know who's coming here. the ruling shows that all of the attacks from the media and the democrat politicians are wrong -- and they turned out to be very wrong. >> professor jonathan turley, let's talk about what the supreme court did and did not rule yesterday. it was not, it seems to me, a commentary by the majority on

the policy itself but rather on the president's ability to make that policy. >> that's right. and even though the travel orders did change, the two threshold questions did not. even the challengers admitted that the two really key questions remained the same throughout that period. the first is whether federal law barred any type of entry limit based on national status or origin. the challengers said that federal law doesn't allow that. the supreme court set aside that argument and said that it does allow for that type of discrimination, according to national origin. the second one, which has gotten more attention, is whether you can rely on the president's political statements from the campaign, and later his tweets. we've talked about that before. when this whole litigation began, i said i thought the supreme court would reverse these lower courts on both these questions. because there are long-standing cases that really did seem to

contradict the lower courts. particularly in the reliance on these types of political statements. what the court said is you just can't ignore the record created by the agencies. they say that they have this independent basis for doing this. so the opinion doesn't really move the ball necessarily in terms of increasing the president's authority. it re-affirms a long set of cases. there is one thing that has been missed in a lot of the coverage which i think is wonderful news for everyone, and that is, the majority opinion written by john roberts finally put a stake thhe heart of one of the most truly reviled and abusive decisions in history, and that is karamatsu, handed down in 1942. it hadn't attracted much notice, but as am an aside, chief justice roberts said cakaramats is dead. he said it was almost

unconstitutional when it was written. that's the decision that led to 120,000 japanese americans being sent to internment camps. it is long overdue. but, boy, that was worth -- it certainly was worth the way to see it overturned. should have been done much earlier than this. >> jonathan, really quickly again, we talked about this before. this really was not a surprise at all, was it? because the president -- any president is granted such authority. if the president's first travel ban had tried to -- if they tried to push that through, that probably would have been overturned. certainly what he said on the campaign, a ban against all muslims, would have been overturned. this was narrowed to countries -- most of the countries that barack obama's administration said are the most dangerous countries to actually allow travel bans -- travel visas in from. this was narrowed considerably, even using some of the countries

that barack obama's administration focused on. >> yeah. i think this was a very predictable result, joe. it is consistent with past cases. and it is a shot across the bow for courts below, that they're going to have to separate or insulate themselves from some of this president's a's incendiar language and focus on these cases. coming up, we're seeing some of the first court actions against trump's separation policy. plus, the hhs secretary oversells the administration's ability to track the children. where are they? "morning joe" is coming right back. directv gives you more for your thing. if you've been waiting for a sign to quit cable, then here's some signs.

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a federal judge in san diego has ordered the government to reunite separated families within 30 days. 14 days if the children are under the age of 5. the injunction at the request of the aclu also gives the government ten days to provide phone contact between parents who have not yet spoken with their children. in a hearing on prescription drugs yesterday, health & human services secretary alex azar broke more than two days of his department's silence and says

hhs has custody of 2,047 migrant kids, just six less than they said on saturday. he also said several hundred have been reunited with family members as long as that person is not in detention. lastnight,hhs says it is still receiving separated kids if there is a credible question of jeopardy or crimality. azar also claimed it is easy to locate children in this exchange with democratic senator ron wyden. >> how many parents have been told where their kids are? >> every parent has is beiacces know where their children are. >> that's the 800 number. how many parents actually know where their kids are? you said "access." this is just in my view part of the rosw of rosy responses and t

doesn't line up with the parents who desperately want to know where their kids are. >> there is no reason any parent would not know where their child located. i sat on the o.r.r. portal with basic key strokes within seconds could find any child in our care for any parent. >> how difficult has it been to match up these parents with their children? >> extremely. extremely. it seems that there's no plan. it is very hectic. right now we have parents looking for their children. i mean they are crying. they are looking elsewhere for support to know where are the children? i think that is coming another crisis, i think on top of the crisis of them being separated. >> i'm not even sure where to begin. this is outrageous. how could the head of the hhs say that when it is so clear what is happening on the ground? it's going to be impossible to reunite some of these kids with

their parents, especially since some of them have been derted. city outright lying? what's happening here? >> i don't know. i saw a statement from an administration official this past weekend where i thought they said that the children were going to be reconnected with the parents by the end of the weekend. they -- the biggest problem is, admiral stavridis, let me go to you here. this process is not transparent at all. united states senators are not allowed -- i mean the thing to do would be for hhs to let the senators come in, look at their system, go into the facilities, look at the facilities. but as i said last week, i had top intel person that was involved in the cia's program that had black sites saying last week that this reminded him of our black site programs after

9/11 because you don't know who's inside the facilities, there is no access to those facilities, and the outside world is completely shut out of those facilities. there's no transparency whatsoever in those facilities which is why they're called black sites. and here we are three, four weeks later? we have a centralized state run by donald trump that is still keeping us from seeing where 3-month-old children are being incarcerated, where they're being detained. >> indeed, joe. before i was nato commander, i spent three years as commander of u.s. southern command looking at everything south of the united states. part of my responsibility was running guantanamo bay detention facility. i can assure you at guantanamo bay there are regular inspections, international communities, red cross comes frequently. senators, congressman are constantly in and out of that facility. we know how to do this. we know how to do this in a

humane, sensible way. we shouldn't be doing it because it's a humanitarian disaster and, as per our conversation the muslim ban, another terrible signal to this world to the south, which is enormous. by the way, back to the election, as the candidate of ocasio, the other element is the latino population in the united states is watching closely. that's a political question that ultimately will have to be answered. 15% of our population today speaks spanish as a first or strong second language. by mid that will be 30%. so this is a big basket of difficult issues going forward. but please, let's start at the humanitarian level. solve it. then let's work on how we present ourselves to this world to the south. coming up on "morning joe," steve kornacki is here to break down last night's most consequential election results. plus, a woman everyone is

talking about this morning, alexandria ocasio-cortez. sets off what the "new york post" calls a red alert after rock being the city's political establishment and her party's national leadership. thdemocratic nominee for congress joins us here on set next on "morning joe."

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have you bh onboard. congratulations. >> t you! thank you so, so much. >> have you had a chance to take it all in and how are you feeling? >> you know? it feels great. it felt great even before the results came in, walking around the community seeing how many people were excited to vote yesterday. it was incredible. i think we're kind of still processing with the rest of the nation right now. >> bet. so what was your campaign focused on? what do you think really turned out the vote and they did turn out? >> yeah. i mean our campa focused on just a laser focused message of economic, social and racial dignity for working class americans, especially those in queens and the bronx. we're very clear about our message, very clear about our priorities and very clear about the fact that even if you've never voted before, we are talking to you. >> okay. so that's the clearest message i've heard from a democrat in a long time. joe, jump in. any advice? you ran for congress. >> well, i can't give any advice. i think she should be giving

advice. you know, i always -- people would always come to me and ask how i won when i wasn't supposed to win. i'm just curious, i mean my answer always was hard work. i would guess that's probably your answer, as well? that it was knocking on doors, walking the district, doing all the little things over time that added up. right? >> is that what it took? he's ask something you. was it hard work or what was it that made the difference? >> you know, it really did take hard work. i started this race nine, ten months ago. i was working in educati and i was working in a restaurant and i started this race out of a paper bag. you know? i had flyers and clipboards. it really was just non-stop knocking doors. >> why? why did you run? >> yeah. >> well, i think the big thing is just that i knew in our community we needed a very clear voice. i think we deserve

representation that rejected lobbyist funds and put our voters and our community first. i felt like we could really deliver a message for the bronx, for queens, and for the working class people of the united states. i felt like our party could be better. our message could be better. and that we could be better as a country. >> as i followed your campaign, alexandria, and you correct me if i'm wrong, i didn't see you directly at every opportunity taking on donald trump by name himself. you sort of implicitly took him on with your ideas and your programs. but it wasn't -- they weren't personal fights with donald trump. it was making the counter argument to his policies. >> right. right. i think that's really the path forward. what we need to do is lay out a plan and a vision that people can believe in and getting into twitter fights with the president is not exactly i think where we're going to find progress as a nation. >> hey, steve? the turnout, the demographics of this district, what does it portend in your view for the

democratic party? >> it is interesting. i would be curious what you think of it, too. new york state does these primaries so strangely. there is a state wide primary for governor and for all these other offices later this summer. they separated out the congressional primaries and folks getting a ballot yesterday, i'm one of these people, a blank piece of paper with two names in the upper left corner and nothing else on it. the thinking had been that this was going to be an advantage for joe crowley, this was going to be an advantage for incumbents in new york because there was going to be such low turnout, such low interest and such low energy. was that your thinking going into this? >> i actually knew that in new york's system -- own system of voter suppression, a low turn-out primary is actually an incredible opportunity for a grassroots organizer because when only 3% of your electorate turns out, you really just need to inspire a couple thousand people and it can totally change the game. >> all right. so you also went to the border. right? >> yeah. >> when did you do that? why did you do that? what did you want to show people?

>> i went to the border on sunday. so i was there with several organizations and activists and organizers. i went there because the moral character of our nation is on the line and it can not wait. right now what we are talking about something as extreme as the detenon and separation of children which we know is an international human rights abuse, we cannot afford for a convenient time to resist that. we need to show and assert and fight for what the america we want to be. we need to fight to make that happen. >> joe has a question for you. joe, jump in. >> i actually -- quick question for steve kornacki. but certainly, alexandria, you can answer, too. hey, steve, what does it mean when a guy like joe crowley, who is one of the top leaders in the democratic party, who's won year after year after year after year, is defeated in his own primary and nobody sees it coming?

is this -- did he fall asleep at the wheel? what happened? >> there's an incredible irony with what's happened with joe crowley and it is this -- he's been in congress for 20 years. he was elected in '98. a sort of the back-room maneuver got him into that place in the first place. he set out to climb the democratic ranks in d.c. but was blocked for years because he had a poor relationship with nancy pelosi. he sided with steny hoyer. in '06, '08, '10, cro had sights on moving up. in the last four years he mended the relationship with pelosi, he moved into leadership and was positioned at the time voting started yesterday, he was the closest thing there was to a consensus pick to emerge if nancy pelosi stepped down or was challenged, he was the closest thing to a consensus pick to become the next democratic

leader, potentially the next democratic speaker of the house. he finally after all those years got his relationships right in d.c., only to turn around and find out that the district he had been elected to 20 years ago, where he was, by the way, the party boss -- talking the queens county chairman here. again, it was a back-room maneuver that got him in there in '98 in the first place, circumstances changed back home. he finally got things right in d.c., only to watch them all go wrong back home. >> i want to point out, mika, you mentioned alexandria went to the border, she's been on this issue long before it was in the news, calling for the abolition of i.c.e. not just while it was in national news. a couple other items on your policy agenda that made very clear throughout -- medicare for all. federal jobs guarantee. and tuition-free public universities and trade schools. those look to a lot of people like promises of gifts under the tree. but they wonder how they'll be paid for. now you're in a position to carry these out. how at a time when the cbo says

our debts and deficits are sploet i exploding, are going to cripple us, how do you pay for that? >> that's a great question. first i think we need to look at the damaging legislative history of what we've done with our taxes. not only did we have a $400 billion gop tax cut that could too lully forgiven every single student loan in america. we spent that money in december and we spent it on tax cuts for rich.orporations and the very but it means reviewing the bush tax cuts. it means making sure that also we understand the power of the purse that congress has that when the united states was in the great depression, that is when we pursued the new deal. it was when people precisely said we have the least amount of ability to do this that we actually committed to an economically ambitious agenda that transformed the future and the course of this nation. i think that it is absolutely possible. but what it takes is the political courage to do it. >> to raise taxes, to roll back the tax cuts.

>> not only that, but also understandhat the federal government does have the ability in the similar way that we had in the new deal to spearhead some of this agenda and some of that financing, as well. >> mike barnicle? >> where does this come from? where does all this come from? how did you get so interested, so involved, so intense on all of these issues that threaten so many people's lives, that affect so many people's lives? where did it come from in you? >> well, years ago i had the honor of working for the late senator kennedy, which is when i really kind of fell in love with comm work. but it's really my story and my background. my father passed away when i was a teenager. my mother cleaned homes and drove school buses. and when my family was on the brink of foreclosure in 2008, my father passed away during the financial crisis. that's why i started waitressing and bartending so that she could keep her home.

so i understand the pain of working class americans because i have experienced the pain and i have experienced the urgency of this economic moment. and that is why i -- i bring that urgency to this fight, because it is what we need as a nation, it is what working families need as a nation. >> how old are you? >> i'm 28 years old. >> and how do you get from that story to thinking i'm going to run and i think i can win? i want to know where that comes from inside you, especially for women who struggle to know their value. >> yeah. i think 2016 was an amazing year for -- i mean, it wasn't an amazing year nationally but it was a year of awakening for a lot of individuals. i found myself at the end of 2016 at standing rock. i foun myself in flint, michigan. i just felt like at this point we have nothing to lose. >> that's right. >> we have nothing to lose! and even in a race that just seemed impossible, as it was even three months ago, even on long odds, that doesn't mean we

shouldn't try. >> that's the bottom line. >> what's your advice now? because everyone in the political world is going to go back now andt your aign and look you did over the last several months and say, what can we learn from it? how should we model our campaigns? how can we take back the house this fall? how can we take back the white house? a couple of years? what do you say to people as they watch your campaign? because you stayed on your message the whole time. i think it was reflected last night when joe crowley conceded at his event he started by dedicating a song to you and congratulating you, that's sort of the tenor of the campaign was about a message and not about personal fights. >> yeah, absolutely. i think it is something that we have to stick to the message. what are we proposing to the american people? not what are we fighting against. we understand that we're under an antagonistic administration. but what is going to earn and deserve the support of working class americans? and we need to be explicit in that vision and that legislation, not just "better." but what exactly is our plan?

and that when we do that, working class americans, when we're bold about it, when we say we stand up for immigrants, when we stand up for the lgbtq community, we believe that every working class american deserves the opportunity to change their economic destiny and their children's future, that's the message that we need to bring into the mid-terms. >> joe, what's your big take-away looking at this race? >> well, the big take-away is that we talked about it in 2016. look at the people who did really well. donald trump on the republican side, bernie sanders on the democratic side. the antithesis of each other. but each had a message. each had a bold message. people on the right didn't like bernie's. a lot of us didn't like donald trump's. but that said, there is a bold message. the opposite of what the democratic party in washington, d.c. has, the opposite of what hillary clinton had. and then, most importantly, once you have that message, it is the fundamentals. i always called it the blocking and tackling.

knocking on doors. getting on the phones. there. getting people out to vote, having phone banks, having people in churches and synagogues, having people all over your district doing everything they could, day in and day out. and you worked harder. you know, when people always came to me and said what's the secret of winning? how did you do this? nobody expected you to win. >> i said it is very simple. i get up earlier than everybody else, you go to bed later than everybody else and you work harder in between those two points. all you have to do are those three things and you've got a shot of winning, too. sounds like that's exactly what alexandria did. and even more importantly than that, she has a message that the democrats have not had. >> and that message, by the way, did not take her three minutes to spew out droning on and on and on. i will tell you, in the two years running up to hillary clinton's campaign and election night, i asked every democrat that came on this set, i asked hillary clinton, isked all of hillary clinton's supporters, because she was so unavailable,

what's the message? what's the message? what's the message? and the answer was always two to three minutes long kind of placating, kind of in the middle of nowhere, nothing minutes lon in the middle of nothing. ultimately. this very young candidate has a clear, concise message. it took her less than 30 seconds to say it because she know exactly what it is. it is who she is. it's where she came from. and it's what she wants to do. so, i want everyone to take a look at this interview, take a look at what her message is. don't steal her message, find your own, democrats, okay? and believe in it. our party and what our message is, if you focus on trump which i don't think you even mentioned today. >> no. >> and yet, at this point, an entire district is swept up with you. thank you. >> thank you.

>> steve kornacki, thank you. the red and the blue the 1990s and the birth of political tribalism in the coming weeks. alexandria ocasio-cortez, thank you very much. up next from one bad ass women to another list of bad ass women. joining us next on "morning joe." but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. that's going to change. from now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer. only tylenol® rapid release gels have laser drilled holes. they release medicine fast, for fast pain relief.

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six minutes and about 20 seconds. in a little over six minutes 17 of our friends were taken from us, 15 were injured. and everyone, absolutely everyone, in the douglas community was forever altered. >> wow. that was parkland shooting survivor emma gonzalez. her speech at the march for our lives in washington amplified the push for gun reform in america. and has landed her at number one on the list of "ini'll" magazine

bad ass 50. dedicated to bad ass women, yes, we can say that. badass women changing the world. joining us "instyle" editor in chief laura brown and her wingman. >> yeah. >> how did willie and i not end up on that? >> same for me. you got try harder to be a bad ass woman, i'm afraid. >> really? >> i told that to guys. >> you don't give off bad ass in all due respect. we love you. we love you. >> the concept of just of the phrase itself it's moxey. >> it is moxie. >> it's determination. >> this came about because last year the president announced his ill-fated transban. and i stomped into the office

and said i want to find a trans woman and do that in the magazine right now. we found a woman, jennifer peace. mid-30s. three kids, she's married. as i was reading about her, i jusaid, what a bad ass. >> yeah. >> and then, i was like i'm going to do something every month in the magazine, every week on the website. it's not like what's that women's platform? it was like this is we need these women now. the platform that i have and "instyle" has, we need to do it. highlighting women making a change for themselves and other women to go about raising the culture like monica lewinsky did, for example. and come out the other side with lessons for herself and others and one mika brzezinski happens to be on there, too.

>> one is serena williams on the cover. there was nobody else i wanted for the cover. she is learning how to be a mother within being a champion. and excelling at both and is a lovely kind of goofy girl. about like andrea mitchell, nbc's andrea mitchell who i have seen on your show every morning, in the news at night. and i thought how the hell is she still awake doing all of this. >> she's incredible. >> she drinks 16s press c s pre day, i thought, this true. somebody like ali raisman, the gymnast that spoke out for all of the gymnasts in a forth right and incredible way. and someone like ellen barkman who left me a message on my phone. >> and our friend laura healy on the list. how expansive -- >> yes. it must have been just more than you. >> yeah, my features team.

we paid attention. we paid attention to women who have spoken up not just for us but others. and keeping checks and balances of the government. somebody like tammy duckworth. sitting on the floor and had a baby in the office. took her baby to work. we had the ogs, the gloria steinem s. and oprah winfrey as well. and alexandria will be on there. >> let's talk about who you called the warrior, monica lewins lewinsky. >> yes. >> she has been impressive in the years but found her voice. >> she found her voice. if you haven't seen it you must, it was three years ago. she was patient. and if that would have happened

six months earlier this wouldn't have been heard. the nexus of the internet bullying her, the tabloids. how she got through that period and let alone how she's g through that with grace and wisdom and occasional humor. i'm friendly with monica, i've known her for a few years. i've noticed in her social, she's been more deft, sort of shooting down invited to an event because clinton was invited to accept an award. emily post -- peace. bad ass. there's something with her metabolism that is changed within her and now she is an advocate. and she's hoping that no one goes through what she did. and speaking about that. and i am the greatest supporter of her. imagine if this had happened to her right now, a totally different thing. times un, me too, all of those

iterations. all of those movements would be a much kinder world for her now. >> what i love about not only this list, but this magazine, you've changed what an amazing woman looks like. >> oh, thank you. >> she looks like a lot of different things. and a lot of different backgrounds. and a lot of different shapes and sizes and yet the magazine is hot. >> oh -- >> no, you know, you know your value. full disclosure. that we want to celebrate women who are working to close the gender pay gap and who are moving forward in helping automatic women in society. i love this, to show up and keep going. >> exactly. and like our last guest who lost her father at 18. her mother was cleaning homes, and she decided to run for office at 28. today, she's gone fro bartender to democratic primary winner. >> and watching alexandria's campaign video, you must, it's

one of the most amazing campaign videos. bad ass. >> all right, laura brown. see the issue in "instyle" magazine. >> including mika and andrea and stephanie ruhle. >> speaking of stephanie ruhle, that does it for us this morning, stephanie ruhle, very bad ass picks up the coverage right now. >> thank you, mika, i'm thrilled to be on that list with you. good morning, everyone, i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover today, starting with a federal judgment in california ordering a halt to the separation of migrant families. any child under the age of mue reunited with their parents within two weeks. after the third try of the travel ban officially gets upheld by the supreme court. >> this is a great