from sitting on that decision. >> there's much more to say about the supreme court fight. tomorrow, i have a special comment on that as well as a very special fallback friday. i'll see you back here at 6:00 p.m. eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. what kind of u want to live in? this is "hardball."\what kind o you want to live in? this is "hardball."what kind of want to live in? this is "hardball."what kind of want to live in? this is "hardball." >> the good evening, i'm chris matthews. washington where we are once again monitoring a mass shooting in this country. this time in annapolis, maryland at the capital gazette own a newspaper owned by "the baltimore sun." according to police five were killed and several others gravely injured after a suspect entered is the office of the newspaper and opened fire. during the incident, one of the gazette's journalists tweeted there is nothing more terrifying

than hearing multiple people get shot while you're under your desk and then hear the gunman reload. i'm joined by investigative reporter tom winter. what have we learned so far? >> late breaking detail that the suspect has been positively identified through the use of facial recognition software and facial recognition abilities of law enforcement to be able to match this person's picture with the government databases. this reporting from myself, pete williams and jonathan deetsz identified as a white male aimed 39. right now police are conducting a court authorized search of this person's home. he's from mt. we don't have the specific town or city. we don't have his specific name. again, chris, the suspect's been identified as a 39-year-old white male described to jonathan dienst as having a minor criminal history recognized through facial recognition

software. they were able to get a picture of him and match it into a database. the reason police had to do that as the suspect has not been cooperative. in addition, it's been described he was somehow able to obscure his fingerprints. normally if a person's not being cooperative and if a person doesn't have an i.d. on them, they're able to use fingerprints to try to identify them through some sort of a government database if somebody will a prior criminal history. we're told that somehow, he was able to obscure his fingerprints so they could not get a match that way and that's why they had to go to the very modern day facial recognition software to identify him. >> thank you so much, tom winter. now to the battle over president trump's supreme court pick to replace anthony kennedy. it's impossible to see another decision that will have greater -- or shape the kind of country we live in. the court has proven willingness to decide presidential elections, the number of guns in the country, the power of money

in politics and on and on. donald trump and mitch mcconnell clearly plan to jam what will be a 30-year choice through congress with four months to go before the people speak in this midterm's elections. last night trump called kennedy a special guy and praises the timing of his decision to step down. let's hear it. >> i'm very honored that he chose to do it during my term in office because he felt confident in me to make the right chous and carry on his great legacy. that's why he did it. >> we have to pick a great one. we have to pick one that's going to be there for 40, 45 years. >> 40 or 45 years. that's even longer than i thought. some democrats are prepared to play "hardball" on this point arguing mcconnell set a precedent in 2016 with his strategy of blocking former president barack obama's supreme court pick merrick garland. on tuesday of this week, chuck schumer said refusing to allow

the american people to weigh in as mcconnell argued in 2016 would be the height of hypocrisy. some of his colleagues echoed that call today. >> we realize the fact that obama's final year was taken away from him to make an appointment. so that was a new standard. it was a low standard if you will. but it was a standard. and i for one and i think others haven't forgotten that. and you know, as you sow, so you reap. >> remember what senator mcconnell told us when there was a vacancy under president obama? too close to the election. let's let the people decide. we're four months away. is senator mcconnell prepared to keep this office vacant till after the election? i hope so. >> we'll do everything we can to make the case it should be after the election because that's exactly what they did with the merrick garland nominee. >> the number two senate republican john cornyn was asked if his party would follow its

own example. >> democrats are calling now to delay the consideration of a nominee until after the midterms. >> ain't going to happen. >> why not? >> we're going -- we have the same president. we'll have the same president after the midterms as we have right now. so this lame argument that's being made somehow analogizing this to the transitioning from president obama to president trump doesn't work. >> today senator mcconnell once again he's proved without shame renewing his call for a vote on kennedy's successor by the fall and defending his decision to refuse a hearing for merrick garland because he was nominated by a democratic president. here we go. >> this is not 2016. there aren't the final months of a second term constitutionally lame duck presidency with a presidential election fast approaching. we're right in the middle of this president's very first term. >> for more i'm joined by rob reiner actor and director offish

shock and wwe," dal la lithwicking from slate and senior adviser from moveon.org. rob, this supreme court when it's full up with nine justices will decide the fate very well of this president. we've got a special counsel loaded for bear. all kinds of issues obstruction of justice and possible collusion with the russians and how -- what materials and what testimonies have to be accepted, whether he has to testify or not. and they're going to let him pick one of the people to decide his own fate. >> that's the biggest problem. i don't think we should get hung up on the egregious effects of what mitch mcconnell did to barack obama and a tit-for-tat kind of thing. we have a president of the united states that right now is under investigation for possibly conspiring with a foreign enemy power to disrupt our democracy

and steal an election. i don't think we want as americans to allow somebody who is possibly colluding with a foreign enemy to making choices that are going to affect our lives for the next 30, 40 years. that's the issue. and make no mistake about it. we cannot allow this. we have to see what happens with the mueller investigation, whether or not donald trump is guilty or not guilty of major major crimes. and if he is, he should not be allowed to pick the next supreme court justice. >> the question seems to be a matter of timing. do they have the vote after the election or after mueller made his call and the court decisions have been made. it seems you could also think about getting kennedy to stick around for a while and be a few more months. it wouldn't kill him. serve a few more months while we do have a full-court without having to put trump's pick in being there to decide trump's

future. >> i don't think there's any chance of kennedy sticking around. he quite deliberately chose that july date when he's out. i do think it leaves the rest of us confounded by this problem of are we going to really let donald trump vet somebody cross-examine somebody, set out litmus tests. he's already told us he has a litmus test around rowe and do the kind of thing we know he's done top jeff sessions and jim comey and ask for pledges from loyalty. while i'd like to believe no nominee is going to pledge that loyalty, it seems to me unbelievably problematic that the president is going to pick a judge who will, as you just heard very likely sit in judgment over some piece of what mueller produces whether it's can a president pardon himself, can a president, can a sitting president be indicted. all of that could likely come before the court. it's a very odd thing that trump is in the business of vetting that person right now.

>> karine, the people have to fight this nomination. they've got to make this case. they don't have parliamentary tricks or whatever. they've got to slow this thing down so the voters get to talk first. >> that's exactly right. they can't play nice. there is no playing nice here. everything is at stake. our fundamental rights are at stake here when you talk about affirmative action, abortion, environmental issues, lgbtq issues, everything is at stake. it's the one thing that is very scary, this is like the worst case scenario because the other thing is with russia, with the russia investigation, he could be buying himself a get out of jail free card with this pick. this is someone who doesn't believe in the rule of law, he thinks he's above the law. even during the nixon times, the supreme court had to jump in in watergate. there's a lot here at risk and we have to make sure that the senators, democratic senators on the inside match the intensity on the outside that they're

going to see from activists from voters from americans. >> rob, i know you care about these social issues and individual rights issues like choice. this supreme court by 5-4 has shown its brazenness. it picked a president, w took us to war your movie shock and awe took us to war with a president who is the only president who would have taken into that war. then they decided they're going to let unlimited money play a role in the political elections with the citizens united and no check on the people to buy guns. it used to do with dpounding a militia. this court is unbounded in its power. and it's not just the sociali issues. it's everything. it's all political. >> wherever you come down on any of these issues, id hope as an american you don't want a potential criminal choosing one

of our supreme court justices. that's what it comes down to. i mean, i don't care whether you're pro-life or pro-choice, i happen to be pro-choice. and i happen to be in favor of gay rights and civil rights and workers rights and all those things. those things are in jeopardy. but wherever you come down ideologically, we can all agree we shouldn't have a potential criminal choosing our next supreme court justice. >> so let's talk numbers. we often do it at election time. now we have to look at it again. there's 50 republicans in the senate, 51 if john mccain could get back and vote. his vote would be up in the air even on this one. and 49 democrats. democrats are also looking to try to get two moderate republican senators collins of maine and murkowski, of alaska as allies in stopping a trump supreme court pick. today senator collins was asked what she would expect from any possible nominee. >> does the nominee have to commit to you he or she would

uphold the precedent of roe versus wade in order to get your support? >> i always have a thor rolls interview with judicial nominees for the supreme court, for circuit courts and one of the questions that i always ask is do they respect precedent. from my perspective, roe v. wade is an important precedent and it is settled law. >> senator murkowski of alaska didn't address the issue but said in a statement my standards for supreme court nominees are extremely high. it is my lang standing practice to scrutinize the qualifications can of noom nominees and to cast an independent vote. dahlia and back to everybody else. i've had experience with trump on this. i asked him whether a woman should be punished. he said there needs to be some form of punishment. that's a weird answer. what he was he talking about prison? i don't know what he's talking about.

that's what he talks like. he also talked in the wilding incident where those kids were accused of murder in central park and said we've got execute kids in their sub teens basically. so we know his views are harsh. and they're not about individual rights or the rights of defendants or young people. so if he picks somebody like himself, man or woman, it's pretty scary. suppose he picks a trump. in that person's thinking. how can you count on him picking a justice kennedy in a million years? just a thought. >> i think, chris, on the issue of roe v. wade he's promised us, he ran on the overt promise for the first time in history, i will have a litmus test. here are 25 people. each of them will pledge to overturn rowe. this is not in dispute. he pledged it. i would say be really careful about fetishizing the language of what you heard susan collins say was as long as it's good precedent and that person props it's good precedent, i'm going

to be okay. you can do away with roe v. wade and hollow it out from the center, it's been happening in the states for years now without explicitly overturning it to. to fetishize whether this person will overturn rowe is to miss the big game. are they going to hollow out will the core of roe? >> are they going to say you have to go to a hospital, all these things to make it difficult for a person living in a rural setting to have that choice. >> the 259 list that's the federalist list of outside conservative group, everybody on that list is to the far right of kennedy. he's not going to replace kennedy. so we have to understand, we can't be fooled here, whoever he picks is going to try and get rid of roe versus wade. >> says that. >> that's ho wants. so that's what's going to happen. the person that gets picked will cement all of donald trump's

horrible policies. >> i want to go back to rob on that. i don't know if i talked to you about this. were you taken with the fact he said to me it's interesting language, creepy language, there needs to be some form of punishment for the woman. i asked about it, for woman. he said yes, the woman. he thought about it. some form of punishment. that's biblical answer. >> and you were the only one to be able to nail him down on that and get his true answer to that. and i put it to people. the pro-life people think of abortion as murder. they say it, they've said it over and over. well, what is the punishment for murder? it's either life in prisonment or the death penalty. so what are we talking about here? are we saying that the woman and the doctor both have to be put in jail for the rest of their lives or executed? i mean, what are we talking about? this is crazy.

this is absolutely crazy and there's so much more going to be at stake than just the abortion rights. that's going to be front and center. but how do you ooh adjudicate that? >> i saw your movie "shock and awe," it's very important for the american people to know how we got into the god damn war in iraq. the courageous reporters from knight ridder out there all alone said there was no wmd. it was a joke. thank you rob, dahlia and karine jean-pierre. i president trump flacks for moscow again heed of ahead of his meeting with putin coming up. once again, trump is pouring cold water on the idea that the kremlin hacked the 2016 election. every one of our intelligence agencies says they did. why is he so hell bent on making nice with the russian strong man? plus a federal judge orders the trump administration to reunite the roughly 2,000 children separated from their parents at the border, but with the

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in finland. the announcement comes amid new signs this president is determined to embrace, that's the right word, the russian autocrat without holding him to account for the cyber war in 2016. 17 months after the intelligence community claimed putin ordered an influence campaign that altered the election trump still appears to whitewash russia's role in attacking our dimcracy. unbelievably he tweeted putin's denial. this is trump. president of the united states. russia continues to say they had nothing to do with med dilling in our election. is he flacking for moscow. putin has had an almost hypnotic hold on this president, an aallure that confounded america's alliance. every time the subject comes up, trump talks about what a good thing it would be to get along with russia. >> if we have a good relationship with russia, believe me, that's a good thing.

be a fantastic thing if we got along with putin and with russia. >> yeah, i think we got along very well. that's a good thing. that's not a bad thing. >> i hope we do have good relations with russia. i've been saying it for years. i want to be able because i think it's very important to get along with russia into i think i could have a very good relationship with russia and within president putin and if i did, that would be a great thing. >> if we can get along with russia, that's a good thing, no the a bad thing. >> getting along with russia, would be a good thing, no the a bad thing. just about everybody agrees to that except very stupid people. >> excuse me. i'm joined by an shannon pettypiece from bloomberg news, david korn at mother jones and political analyst. david, men first in this instance. this guy has been writing about this russia thing for a long time. why when you get down to it, putting apart all ideological thinking, straight evidence, why does trump want to have this

love affair with putin against all the evidence he's out to screw us? >> he identifies with putin. he seems to want putin's respect and legitimacy and he wants validation from putin. he's been saying for. >> it's not a great country. he's not a great leader. why does he want his respect? >> he's a strong man, autocrat, he does weather wants to do. i think he likes the fact that putin attacked the united states and got away with it. this tweet that you just showed on the screen, i mean, there are a lot of outsxwrajious things that happened today and this week. the earth should have stood still for this tweet at least for 20 seconds. >> to say i'm quoting this em. >> a foreign adversary attacks the united states and our house republicans, senate republicans agree with the intelligence community, every u.s. intelligence official that trump has appointed agrees. >> shannon, i know you're young

for this. looks like franklin roosevelt after pearl har bar said i believe toeio when he said they weren't responsible. >> people in his own administration disagree with his stance on russia. he has been advised by national security advisers by the intelligence community that this ming with mute tin is a bad idea. you shouldn't do it. he was advised not to congratulate putin on his election. he has been advised over and over again. >> why is bolton playing his leader dog on this. >> bolton has completely shifted course in his rhetoric on russia. he had a very strong course on russia. this president is not taking vase advice from anyone nim. he continues to be emboldened to follow his instincts abthose in his administration can speak up and advice him. once he says he's not going to, get in line. >> it has alarmed america's nato ally who's wanted to demonstrate a united front against russia.

axios reports the fear is that trump will provoke a fight with his closest allies and lavish praise on a dictator as he did on kim jong-un. he showed disdain for the transatlantic alliance saying nato is as bad as nafta. it's too costly for the united states. nato allies may have good reason to worry since trump repeated by questioned the commitment to the alliance. in march, the swedish prime minister explained to trump that sweden although not a member of nato partners with the alliance on a case by case analysis. trump responded that the united states should consider that approach. not really being in nato anymore. during the campaign, trump has said unless nato allies paid more for their defense, i was open to crabbing the alliance all together. >> i'll tell you about nato. it's obsolete and we're paying too much money. either they pay up including for past deficiencies or they have to get out. and if it breaks up nato, it

breaks up nato. >> let's go to the accounting on this. what could putin do for trump in response for him going over and kissing him in helsinki. if you were a trumpern person, what would you say we're going to get. suppose putin takes this as a breakup of the alliance. he starts getting aggressive knowing we're not going to their aid. >> that's what he wants. putin has a strategic aim. this book i had russian roulette" we talked about he had a plan for years how to break up western liberal democracies, the alliances undermine their elections. the united states was one of a piece of that. he has a strategic aim. trump, there's no strategic aim here. what does he want from putin? he wants a bear hug to, go horse riding. that's what it's about. >> without shirts on. >> he can't sit down with our allies and have a civil conversation about policy issues.

>> no tangible results, cocome back from russia or helsinki with nothing? >> that has been one of the questions is what is in this for trump. same for north korea. what is in it for the u.s. trump said he wants help with syria. >> what help are you going to get. >> what is in our national interests bigger than syria? telling russia to knock it off, do not attempt to invade our allies like the ukraine. >> is there any chance he would give us some help with syria? i thought there needed to be something to break up the deadlock in the middle east. if he drops support for syria, the government falls. >> that is a possibility. also a possibility an unlikely one is trump will tell putin to knock it off and keep out of meddling with our elections and allies. >> they did it then. >> yeah. >> that's the problem. >> i think there seems to be zero chance he will take a strong stand on putin. putin has shown again and again he has no interest in getting

rid of his alliance with the syrian government. what does trump want? he wants what he got out of the kim jong-un meeting, headlines. in which he says north korea threat doesn't exist anymore. he doesn't care about the details. he wants the glow, the headlines. he wants to create a story. >> that won't work if he grabs latvia. >> he wants a story for his followers to follow the headlines. >> and trump's base does not have the as negative view of putin as many in the intelligence and foreign pos establishment do. >> he seems to like the guy riding around on a horse. >> a strong man. >> thank you, shannon, thank you, david korn, expert on russia. up next, a federal judge ordered the trump administration to reunite families separated under that zero tolerance policy calling it a chaotic circumstance of the government's own making. that's a judge talking. will the administration comply? can they do it fast? there is no system in place to track these kids' whereabouts. how threw going to find them? this is "hardball" where the action is. of my family take care

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welcome back to "hardball." amid the chaos and confusion and cruelty created by the trump administration's forced separations of families, first lady melania trump made her second trip to the border providing another pr push to paper over what remains a bureaucratic catastrophe. on tuesday night, a republican appointed federal judge in california gave the white house

30 days to reunify migrant families separated at the border. in the judge's ruling he wrote the unfortunate reality is under the present system, migrant children are not accounted for with the same efficiency and accuracy as property. certainly that cannot justify or satisfy the requirements of due process. placing the burden on the parents to find and request unification with their children under the circumstances presented here is backwards. the judge also issued a nationwide injunction against further family separations. the justice department has not indicated it will appeal the injunction against the judge. in a senate hearing health and human services secretary alex azar responsible for these children struggled to say how many had in fact been reunified. watch the secretary. >> i want to know about the children in your department's custody. how many of them have been reunified. >> that's exactly what i'm saying. they have been placed with a parent or other relative who is here in the united states.

>> how many. >> several hundred. >> of the. >> of the 2,300 plus that came into our care. probably 204. >> for more i'm joined by adrian know espiate, democrat from new york city. you've been out there, you know what we don't know. what's it like on the ground with these kids? >> i went to visit one of the centers that's providing services for them and they told me there's 239 of them there. 100 of which have been placed with some relative. these kids are coming with little notes attached with a safety pin. that's how they getting them together with relative. " federal government is doing very little to reconnect the children back with their families. i method with some of the fathers at the federal facility on father's day. they told me how their children were being ripped away from them. many broke down because they told us at the border when they were questioned, the first thing that came was whether or not they were the real dads. they were alleging they were

tracking young children. many of them when they told the story they broke down. this is going on on the ground. these children are not being helped by government. it is the service providers that are doing much of the groundwork. they came from arizona, from california, 700 plus of them in new york state. 239 of them in my district. i went to visit them. i cannot guarantee they haven't been traumatized. >> you're up between manhattan and the bronx. >> that's correct. >> let me ask you about this talk about trafficking. is that just a bogus claim? who is saying there's been tracking with these kids? >> one of the males if a father is coming with their child, very often a father is the one that brings the children because that's a very dangerous journey. >> sure. >> so immediately, the allegation would be is that your child. and they told us the children are holding on to their legs. >> they know it. why are they challenging it. >> the modus op rabdy at the

border. >> hundreds of del mon administrators stormed a senate office early today to protest the administration's forced family separations. more than 500 people were arrested today. there some of them are as they chanted abolish i.c.e. many wearing the same mylar blankets to distributed to the children at the border. they look like aluminum paper. congressman. >> iia pal is one of the people arrested. let's watch. >> i just got arrested with a group of i don't know exactly how many but over 500 women at least 500 women who took over the center of the hart senate building protesting the inhumane and cruel zero tolerance policy of donald trump and this administration. the separation of families, the caging of children. the imprisonment of asylum seekers who seek a better life. >> congress has an oversight role. you have a judge enjoining them to get these kids home in 30

days. how can you pressure that? >> first of all that, judge was very clear. 30 days and two weeks if the child is under 5 careers old. clearly there's a clear and present danger for these children. we should be holding hearings immediately on the situation with these children. and how they've been ripped away from their families. there's no way about it. il continue to visit some of these sites. i'm going back again this week and see how the kids are. >> your background is dominican. congratulations. thank you. so impressive. i'm not a shortstop. >> your life is so impressive. thank you congressman. up next the obamas legacy is being destroyed. the supreme court is hanging in the balance. what will it take to fire up the democrats in the senate and how much of a role will president obama play in take on trump. we'll see how hard he's going to campaign. you're watching "hardball." (phone ping)

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are you fired up? ready to go? fired up? ready to go? fired up? ready to go? >> well, that didn't work. welcome back to "hardball." that was president obama working up a new hampshire crowd in 2016. cnbc is reporting the former president is expected to head back into the campaign this fall. that's welcome news for democrats looking to motivate voters without major gains in the house and senate, democrats face another two years on the sidelines. however, or already, obama's legacy has been dismantled and the supreme court is on the verge of being lost for generation to come. a couple generations. i'm joined by the roundtable, yamiche alcindor, jose is a former democratic press secretary and peter emerson, democratic strategist. let's talk about the democrats. i want to know what they'll do

to deal with this nomination. trump thinks women should be punished for abortion. he says he wants to get somebody in there who will get rid of roe v. wade. he's clear as he can be the kind of judge he's going to pick. what do the democrats do to make enough noise to stop this. >> i don't think think democrats can stop it from a procedural point of view, the republicans have the votes without the democrats to do this. >> don't let them off hook. the vote hasn't been taken yet. they can get people to vote against it. i've got a half dozen supreme court nominees in recent years that got knocked off in this process. it's doable. >> susan collins and murkowski both voted for gorsuch. is he pro-life. there is a case now because things are different they now feel compelled to not vote for someone who might overturn abortion and roe v. wade. most important thing from the white house sources i've been talking to, the most important thing to the president is that person is young, is going to be

pro-life and super conservative. >> he wants them in for 40 to 50 years. he said today. >> the same thing the republican leadership did, we need to do the same thing. there should be no nomination till after the midterm election. >> peter how do they stop this? they do have the number. it seems to me people in the past have been able to stop these things. >> it's about emotions. and right now, you've got the minority leader of the senate, chuck schumer standing in front of a bunch of microphones begging for fairness. we've both been in the senate. there's procedural parliamentary rules where they could slow it down long 0 enough to put pressure on elected and candidates right now. >> the pressure on these women who are pro-choice. by the way, senator collins of maine and murkowski of alaska, you could argue this a number of ways. if you've already vote ford one of trump's nominees for the high

court, you can say to your people back hope, i passed one of them. i'm not going to pass this other one. i have discernment. i can accept one but not this other one. i'm talking about heitkamp and donnelly and mansion, the conservative democrats. capital they use that as an argument? i'm not going to give them two, not in one season. >> they could but they're au in districts -- i think they can find a way to not vote for a trump appointee. republicans on the other hand, susan collins and murkowski have shown they will vote for someone who is pro-life. as a reporter, i don't see them now saying they would not vote for someone for those reasons. >> the real politics of this. if you're a democrat running for election or just a democrat in office right now, should you take this to the people? should you talk to voters about this, get them excited, get them writing letters and going to rallies? should you wake up the democratic party especially its base or slip and slide along and

say an we're one vote short. we can't stop it. >> this is the party that is leaderless. you have to take it to the people. this is a moral issue. this isn't just a political issue. where is the representation in the senate and the house like john lewis? angry and ready to go to jail for principle. that's what the democratic party and the base is demanding. >> democrats have been asking for these sort of issues to bring it back to the voters. we know the family separation. that's a bunch things this administration has been doing. democrats need to say if you want this all to stop, you need to elect democrats come november. >> for democrats it's leadership as you're saying. the top three democrats in the house have been in congress for a combined 93 years. it's almost comical. >> nancy pelosi is 78, steny hoyer is 70. i think those dates are wrong. it's the other way around. number three democrats jim clyburn is 77. the fourth ranking member joe

crowley of new york lost his primary to 28-year-old alexandria ocasio-cortez. here's what she said when asked if it was a time for a change of party leadership. >> we do need to elect a request jechb ration of new people to congress on both parties. some of the issues we have today may have to do with some of the calcified structures and relationships. >> what do you think,ia meech? is there dynamic out there right now, younger voters getting elected? is this going to shake the leadership. >> if more people get elect and more people are ousted from alphabets actually losing to young kind of progressive people who are kind of in the wing of bernie sanders, i think then the democratic party starts looking at leadership. look at the democratic leadership is what congress looks like. you walk around the hallways, people are very old. i'm not saying that as a critique. as an observation, there are a lot of people who are old.

>> compared to you, everybody is old. >> true but you see that staffers are running a lot of things. young staffers are on the bench essentially. democrats have a lot of people who are smart that could run the party but people say in office. >> i look at the loss of joe crowley. it's not just he's taken out of the line of succession. he's out of the business right now politically. he was one of nancy pelosi's people out there. people like jack murtha, all kinds of people looking out for in the cloak room, building up support. he's lost a real ally in crowley. >> this reminds me of the great song by bob dylan "times they are an a changing." this is just that. i'm okay with nancy pelosi, she's a phenomenal fund-raiser for her party. she can stay in pour. as long as she welcomes the new voices such as alexandria into the party. >> there's nobody in leadership

in the house. the youngest two are number seven and number eight in the house. on the senate side, it's even worse. there's no sense and i'll make it a critique that there should be younger faces because these faces -- >> here's what i believe, if pelosi doesn't become the democratic leader they'll have to be replaced by another woman. a lot of these primary fights are women having a chance to come forward. i'm looking -- the round table is sticking with us. you're watching "hardball."

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we are back with the roundtable. yamiche, tell me something i don't know. you're good at this. >> a non-profit allied with mitch mcconnell is launching a digital media add blitz focused on having a conservative replace justice kennedy spending something like $100,000 in states like florida, indiana, west virginia, so republicans are taking this seriously and they're coming to voters. >> hope the democrats do. jose. >> fema housing assistance who is helping puerto ricans in orlando who moved here because of plaria is set to expire this stated. governor rick scott needs to step up to the plate. about 600 families will be

placed on the street. >> follow the money. i had dinner with senator udall during his trip. >> new mexico. >> to the mexican border. he discovered one facility, one detention facility costs $400,000 per day or $2,000 per person per day. there's a less expensive day, $4.50. why? the largest private-owned prison system political action committee gave the trump campaign $170,000. >> people incarcerated for benefit. thank you. when we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. he won't like tonight. you're watching "hardball." dear future us,

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trump watch thursday, june 28th, 2018. what i said last night about the need to resist having a trump-like justice on supreme court is true tonight. it will be just as true 30 years from now when that trump-like justice will have worked his will for three decades. i say this because there's nothing that the congress decides this year or the years ahead that is likely to matter as much as this decision. we attacked invaded iraq because we had the one president that would have taken on such a horrible and stupid course. never forget, it wasn't the american people who picked w. it was the five republican voters on supreme court. they picked that president. that limited man who called himself the decider who decided on this war of choice.

we live in a country where guns are everywhere now. assault rifles guns that service fully automatic, with ammo mags and allow some killer to kill everyone in a classroom. this was this is supreme court that broke with long constitutional history to declare owning a gun of any kind is an unpre-restrictable right ignoring all the words of the founding fathers they were talking about the need to raise an armed militia. this court said money should have unrestricted power to turn american elections that the side with the most dollars should have the biggest voice in our popular elections. so don't let anyone tell you picking this decisive member of the supreme court is not essentially a political decision. to pick a republican yuts is to have a republican court. if the democrats and the united states senate cannot resist trump's putting the highest court in a death grip they should pay an insufferable

price. now is the time for warfare not after the election when the damage had already been sustained. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on all in. >> there's been a terrible tragedy here. >> a mass shooting in a maryland newsroom. >> the shooter is in our custody. >> tonight what we know about the victims and what the suspect is telling police. then. >> the president of the united states right now is a subject of an ongoing criminal investigation. >> will a president under criminal investigation pick a supreme court justice that may rule on his case? >> he asked specifically of loyalty. >> tonight, senator elizabeth warren on the new push to delay a nomination until the mueller probe is over. and as protests descend on washington -- what we know about the 2,000 kids separated from