tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 2, 2018 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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the amount of outright deception from the beginning has been completely, completely unacceptable. thank you very much. before we go, a reminder. there's a new else of our podcast. why is this happening? out tomorrow. a humanizing look at what happens when fracking comes to your town. that's "all in" for this evening. rachel maddow starts now. >> good evening. thank you for joining us this hour. happy monday. happy july. happy to have you with us tonight. ready? quote, in the matter of search warrants, executed on april 9, 2018, case file 18-mj-3161 kmw -- i don't know if that's a case file. a case number. i don't know what that number is. it is an official looking number at the top.
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there it is. i don't know what that means. then there's headline. special master report. barbara j. jones. the court appointed the honorable barbara s. jones, retired federal judge, as special master to render decisions regarding privilege issues related to items seized from certain search warrants on april 9, 2018. henceforth known as the seized materials. this report is submitted to provide the court and the boirts an update of the special masters progress. that you are soon to the court's order, june 26, 2018, the plaintiff and intervenors have submitted designations for items in their poe session with the xegs of 22,633 items currently being reviewed by the trump organization. that review must be completed on or before july 5th. which is thursday. quote, once the trump organization submits its designations, any remaining
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items not designated privileged, or highly personal will be promptly released to the government. and then there's this. a release of 1,310,365 items that were not designated privileged, partially privileged or highly personal by the plaintiff or an intervenor was made to the government today. that's pretty much the whole special master report, signed by barbara jones. posted in a public docket in federal court in new york today. what this order means is that a big part of michael cohen legal story is wrapping up. on april 9, federal agents working in conjunction with federal prosecutors from the u.s. office in new york, they executed search warrants and seized millions in documents from michael cohen, from the president's long time personal attorney, a long time organization executive. when they executed those search
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warrants and seized the millions of dollars and files from michael cohen, the president lost his mind. as soon as he found bout that raid on cohen's office, he said it is a disgrace, it is frankly a real disgrace, an attack on our country in a real sense, an attack on what we all stand for. the president said, attorney client privilege is dead. as prosecutors confirm michael cohen, the president's lawyer was the subject of a federal criminal investigation, michael cohen did try on build this legal strategy around the idea that federal prosecutors actually weren't allowed to look at all the stuff they had seized from his home and his office because he is a lawyer. so all his documents, all of his communications, all the files seized from his office and his home, they're all covered by attorney-client privilege. and the government can't look at any of them. one of the lawyers who michael cohen hired to defend him said
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that attorney-client privilege would result in millions of the documents seized being denied to the prosecutors. so they might have thought they were getting everything from cohen but according to cohen's lawyer, millions of documents would be held back because they were privileged. that has not turned out to be the way it has gone. what this new report says is that there are about 22,000 dpomts are still going through some layer of review, and she the special master, will decide whether they are attorney-client privilege. 22,000 documents. still in the mix. today prosecutors were given 1.3 million documents. that were seized from michael cohen's office and home today. prosecutors got that many documents from cohen's office and home today. that's the bloody line in this very short tidy report from the special master. the release to the government of
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1.3 million items. we had also learned in court proceedings around this search warrant and all the stuff that was seized, we learned there were about 16 pages that were taken from cohen's office, even though they had gone through a shredder. agents collected the contents of the shredder basket and sent all the shreds down to quantico to reassemble those shredded documents. buzz feed news published what appeared to be the reconstructed stuff from that unshredding process. they published the shreds as pieced back together by the fbi. a bunch of it is super random and honestly, who knows what it is? it looks more like art than anything else. but some of this stuff does seem fairly clear. michael cohen appears to have shredded what looks like an invitation to a dinner
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reception, welcoming a business delegation from qatar led by the minister of economy and commerce. okay. there is at one point, a hand written reference to what appears to be the new york city law firm that employs a lawyer who at one point was going on tv all the time saying that he represented michael cohen, but it is be clear that he ever did. the name of the law firm nevertheless turns up in michael cohen's hand writing in the shred documents. so buzz feed got what appeared to be the documents that were shred in the michael cohen's office and then the shreds were seized by the feds. it is interesting to see them. according to buzz feed's own reporting, these document shreds, the piecing back together of them, these were handed over to michael koep's attorneys, and attorneys for the president. so they could review them on decide if they want to assert that there's something in these documents that might be
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attorney-client privilege. regardless, they're now available online for your perusing pleasure. and the chain of custody, in terms of who had access to these documents, tells you a little something about how they might have been obtained for the purpose of publication. these shreds were taken by agents. they were pieced together by the fbi. they were given to cohen's laushs and the trump organization lawyers to say, are you okay with these? are these attorney-client privilege? do you need the special master to look at these? at which point buzz feed gets they will. it is probably also important to remember that they were the ones to publish the christopher steele dossier last year. the intelligence memos commissioned during campaign as the research on trump and his ties to russia. the christopher steele dossier has of course become this very controversial political hot potato but it is worth remembering that buzz feed is the outlet that published it and
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michael cohen is all over it. he is all over the dossier. an inside we are direct access to the russian leadership confirmed that a key role in the trump campaign kremlin relationship was being played by the republican candidate's personal lawyer, michael cohen. the dossier says that michael cohen had secret, a secret meeting or meetings with kremlin officials in august 2016. the agenda comprised how deniable cash payments were to be made to hack here's worked in europe under kremlin direction. kremlin heavily engaged in a cover-up and damaged operation. again, the christopher steele dossier is super controversial. but the former director of national intelligence during the time that the dossier was written, james clapper told us here this show not long ago, as far as he's aware, nothing in the dossier has ever been disproven despite the political controversy around it.
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michael cohen is all over the dossier named as a key player in the collusion between russian government and the trump campaign. for his part he has vociferously dwhaenld it says about him and at one point he put his money where his mouth is about it. he filed a lawsuit against buzz feed for publishing the steel dossier. specifyingly the parts that mention him. he dropped that lawsuit several months ago and i hesitate to to say we've hit peak michael cohen weirdness. if there is one thing we've learn, it can always get even weirder. with the president's personal lawyer, this fixer who worked with him and worked at his business for more than a decade, we are in a weird moment when it feels like something big is happening. michael cohen has not been charged with anything. there's not even an indication that he has met with
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prosecutors. but two and a half weeks ago, june 13th, abc news was first to report that michael cohen is, quote, likely to cooperate with federal investigators. whether or not that story from june 13 is true, michael cohen does not appear to have been upset about that reporting. there was a single byline on june 13. it was george stephanopoulos. michael cohen does not appear to be holding a grudge against george stephanopoulos because this weekend he gave george stephanopoulos his first interview. the first interview in which he has gone on at length about this investigation he's embroiled in. i know this sounds like a little inside baseball but this is worth noting at pivot points in the news. george stephanopoulos was the first person who reported that michael cohen would flip. he also just got the first interview with michael cohen
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about this case and in his interview, mr. cohen strongly hints that he is looking to cooperate with prosecutors. we've got a little bit of brand new reporting about how that interview came about and the straining story of why it is not on camera. that's brand new. but at this point in the mueller investigation, at this point in the special counsel's investigation, when so many have been indicted, so many have pled guilty, so many have become cooperating witnesses of some kind, we are at the point watching this unfold, we've learned to recognize what it looks lying when a person is about to flip. we know how to recognize the signs. from thanksgiving, 2017, i have two very distinct memories. we'll always distinguish this past thanksgiving from every other one in my life.
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the first thing is that susan and i got a turkey by accident that was too big to fit in the oven. it was her mom's neighbor -- a farm, he he will us we were getting a little turkey. it was gigantic. it didn't fit in the oven. it was thanksgiving day. we had no idea what to do. we had to cook it on the barbecue which was really weird. it was ultimately delicious but it was weird. the other thing about this thanksgiving which was different than any other and that i will always remember is that while we were figuring out how to cook the turkey on the freaking barbecue, "the new york times" public herred this. on thanksgiving day. quote, a split from trump indicates that mike flynn is moving to cooperate with mueller. quote, lawyers for michael flynn, president trump's national security adviser, notified the president's legal team in reason days that they could no longer discuss the special counsel's investigation that they do no longer work on the case. this is an indication that they
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are cumming ooping or playingin deal. that agreement has now been terminated. that was a really big deal this past thanksgiving day. that was the sign that this legal concern was going to spread. michael flynn had had a joint defense agreement where his lawyers and the president's lawyers were sharing information, working collectively. they all work in the same direction. we learned first in the "new york times" that join agreement between mike flynn and the president had been called off. flynn was going his own way. the "times" nailed it. this was an indication that flynn was negotiating a deal. they got it right in the initial story. the president's legal team tried to say, no, no, no, this doesn't necessarily mean. nothing to see here.
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the next day jay sekulow said that michael flynn calling off the join defense agreement was not entirely unexpected. he said no one should draw the conclusion that this means anything about general flynn cooperating against the president. general flynn was in fact cooperating against the president and it turns out that dropping joint defense agreement was a really good sign that was about to happen. within a few days, the following tuesday, abc news was first to repo report, about eight days after thanksgiving, mike flynn stood up in court in washington, d.c. and did he plead guilty and he filed his cooperation agreement. incidentally, you should know we'll see mike flynn in court very soon. next week. that was ordered today in a brief ruling from the judge in nine's case. it sets up a joint status
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hearing for next tuesday, 10:00 a.m. the judge says mr. flynn is directed to attend. so that hearing next tuesday in d.c., we will see mike flynn in court. it is likely to be the start of a long process that will result in mike flynn getting his senate intelligence. that will depend in large part on how much help he's given the government since he pled guilty and decided to count down. we'll get an indication of what the judge may be looking at in terms of prison time or other punishment. but the first sign we had that flynn would plead guilty and cooperation was thanksgiving from "the new york times" reported that he was canceling the join defense agreement that we had the lawyers for trump. abc news is now reporting that we are seeing that same process unfolding with michael cohen. they're reporting specifically that at the end of the week, michael cohen will drop his existing legal team,
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representing him through whole process of wrangling over whether or not the documents seized from his office or protected by attorney-client privilege, whether or not they can use those documents, it is ending in a way that looks disastrous for michael cohen. his lawyers said in court that they would get millions of documents held back by attorney-client privilege. that has not happened. instead, millions of documents have been handed over to prosecutors and not very much turned out to be remotely privileged at all. but that thought process of prosecutors getting their hands and all that stuff they saw from cohen, it will come to an end. michael cohen is due to drop the lawyers who have been the representing him in that part of the fight. and then a new legal team will start representing him at the end of the week. when that transition happens to his new lawyers, michael cohen's join defense agreement with president trump will end. so you see the parallel there with what we saw happen with
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flynn. before flynn flipped, he dropped his joint defense agreement. we're now seeing cohen drop his defense agreement. and there is a peril we will rick gates before he flipped. you might remember that rick gates and paul manafort, they were initially charged together on a whole bunch of felonies. like paul manafort, rick gates initially started off fighting the charges. pled not guilty right out of the gate. a few weeks into it, after they started a whole new round of charges, gates changed his mind. he dump his legal team. instead he signed and he himself was a former federal prosecutor in d.c. where gates is being charged. flynn dropping his joint defense agreement was the big red flag that he was about to flip. with gates it was that change of
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lawyer. that was the sign that he was about to flip. he brought a new legal team on board and that was the warning that he would stop fighting the charges against him and instead would plead guilty and cooperate. and it all happened pretty fast with gates. on january, we have the first report that gates was getting this new lawyer. exactly one month later on february 23rd, there's flynn pleading guilty and flipping. so michael cohen, we can see the pattern emerging, right? dropping jimmie defense agreement. bringing on a new lawyer who happens to be a highly regarded criminal defense attorney that used to work in the office that may be assembling charges. all these red flags. but he hasn't met with prosecutors. if he's going to be charged with anything, there is no reason to believe mr. cohen knows yet what he will be charged with. in terms of our window into potential liability, one of the unshredded documents from buzz
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feed appears to be a receipt for a wire transfer payment at first republic bank. $62,500. that would appear to match some of the reporting about mr. cohen's involvement in at least three different women being paid hush money. being given money in exchange for their silence on sexual affairs. michael cohen was involved in the hush money cases and in the case that reportedly involves elliott brady, the dem finance chair of the republican national committee. from other michael cohen banking records, we know that he received a whole bunch of gigantic and still mysterious corporate contracts right after the trump election. from big blue chip companies from at&t and noef artis but also from a korean aerospace company is that from a financial firm linked to a sanctioned russian oligarch who is close to vladimir putin who michael cohen appears to have brought to the
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trump inauguration. cohen was also involved in the clandestine effort to produce a real estate project in 2015 and 2016. it was kept secret by the trump campaign and denied by the candidate himself when he pledged, he had no deals with russia even though he signed a letter of intent for that project in the middle of the republican primaries. on the same by a as one of the republican debates. george stephanopoulos said he asked whether president trump had advance knowledge of the trump power meeting that took place during the campaign. a whole bunch of russians kegtd to the putin government showed up at trump tower offering dirt on hillary clinton and they got this meeting with paul manafort and jared kushner and donald trump jr. he said when he asked whether or not donald trump himself was involved in that meeting, or advance knowledge of it, mr. cohen refused to answer. on the advice of counsel. he said he wouldn't talk about that.
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at least in the context of this interview. so you think with all the different stuff that michael cohen is known have to have been involved in. there got to be a lot of concern about what michael cohen could say to prosecutors. what co-provide if did he decide. that's why he responded so negatively when michael cohen was first raided. the president called it an attack on the country. it was the execution of a search warrant. to the president it looked like the end of the world west don't exactly know why but given what he's been involved in, we can imagine. if he is about to cooperate with prosecutors and all these red flags flying make it seem like he is, why is this happening right now? how quickly do we expect this process to play out? when we saw these same kinds of red flags in the first instance and rick gates in the second, things happened very quickly
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today we learned more than 1.3 million documents and items seized from donald trump's personal attorney michael cohen. those are as of today in the hands of federal prosecutors who say they are working on federal criminal case against michael cohen. he has just done a strange on the record but off camera interview with abc news with their star anchor, george stephanopoulos. in that off camera, on the record interview, he vaguely hinted but didn't directly say that he might be directly working with prosecutors. michael cohen is still adjusting
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in this new place in this world. by repositioning himself between trump and investigators. regionally that meant fighting back through the media. at the end of last week he got his hair freshly shorn and picked out a black suit to wear for his first on the record interview. on saturday afternoon, abc news anchor george stephanopoulos entered his sweet at the regency hotel where the two men spoke for 45 minutes. it was supposed to be on camera but at the advice of mr. cohen's counsel, the new lawyer due to start this week, quote, they stuck on an audio only format. quote, for months, people in his circle told me about the possibility of him sitting down with the formedable anchor. they said he would talk to steph no, ma'am lust, perhaps with his family onset to demonstrate the legal toll. all of this would be heavily promoted, maybe for weeks and it would be truly revealing and
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intimate. this was not on a broadcast. it was revealed by tweet about 12 hours ahead of the interview's publication and stephanopoulos's on air. what is driving the acute sense of urgency? why is he doing this last-minute rushed interview where there isn't any lead-up at all, where he's wearing the suit but then he can't be on camera at the last second. what's the connection of this weird new rushed half interview and ending his agreement with the president. joining us, the reporter from "vanity fair." thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> why was this planned to be a big broadcast special rolled out big interview? they were hoping for that. and then we get him in his suit, off camera in a still image with
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written quotes? >> i think down the road there was supposed to be a big on the record smashed super bowl like interview on a broadcast network. this was not the moment for this. there is nothing really to reveal. nothing has yet happened. >> people under active criminal investigation are not meant to do that. there is this moment where something had to happen in cohenland. according to people .with today, there are a couple of reasons why this interview happened in the first place. now, everything that was in the interview is stuff that michael cohen has topped friends privately for months. these are sentiments he has expressed over and over again. his former attorney, his attorney who is going to be no longer his attorney if i end of the week, was very much genld him doing any kind of press.
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he now has a new attorney who is still a little camera shy but not completely against him doing it. there's a sense, a belief by mr. cohen, and people this cohenland, that there is going to be an onslaught coming from people in the president's orbit. either character attacks or further attempt to distance themselves and the president from michael cohen. so there is a window of time where he felt like, i am going to try to restore my reputation before this attack. >> is it, does he have good reason to believe that there will be this kind of assault? is he imagining it? >> our sense is that it is not imagined. that he feels he has concrete reason to believe that would be coming down the road. it is the craziest strategy i can ever imagine. they should be throwing him a parade to keep what he knows
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under the vest and to continue to protect the trump presidency and president trump himself and the trump family but that has not been the strategy from the get-go. we have seen from the start that the president has dingsed himself. there was a moment when the president said a few weeks ago, i liked michael cohen. that use of the past was particularly bothersome and hurtful. that kind of language is i think what michael cohen thought would continue. then there are people who have been saying, you can turn this whole thing around. you have been a villain and you can be a hero. you could be the guy to change this whole thing if you just come clean. so a window opening where he perhaps feel more comfortable that he could turn it around with a new lawyer who is perhaps
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more averse to him talking to the media. and that his reputation may be further damaged. >> is he expecting to be charged? >> i don't think anyone in his position thinks he would be charged. >> doesn't it hurt his leverage? i will cooperate with you if you are lienen with me. it will cost me lots of things. if you'll treat me better, i am going to tell you what i know, let's work out a deal. he will hurt himself by talking about it in a public environment. >> if you read it closely, there are two things that seem like loaves of bread that i picked out.
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ste step no stephanopoulos asked about two things. it was in print and things are chosen to be included. one of those was if he was directed to give a payment. and the other thing was about the media in trump tower with don jr. >> in both cases, did president trump tell you to make this payment, and did president trump know about the trump tower meeting? >> exactly. and michael cohen's anxious to both was, at the advice of counsel, i am not going to go into those things. you have to stop and wonder why those two things were specifically mentioned and why those two things he could not answer. >> what do you think the answer is? >> i think perhaps there are signals about what he knows of those two things. so if prosecutors are reading those interviews, i am sure they were not lost on prosecutors as they were not for the rest us, perhaps those were signs. >> and we know it has been incredibly reported that the
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neighborhood in brooklyn. it would have been his first town hall of this entire year. he didn't show up. his office told us he had plane trouble and got stuck in upstate new york. he said instead of being there in person he would do it by phone. his constituents decided to break out a cardboard picture. it was all in a sweltering unair conditioned hall. they didn't leave even when they found out he couldn't be there in person. >> we're hoping to talk to him and ask him simple questions. he is not here to answer the question. very simple. whip the vote.
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whip the vote. whip the vote. >> he was not even there but they all stayed. apparently the service in the hall, at one point they moved across the street so they could in fact take a call from senator schumer. he told them via speaker phone the president's pick for the vacant supreme court seat was not set. we need victory. there's been a lot of talk about strategy inside the democratic party now that the president has this chance to pick a second justice for the supreme court. even as this serious counter intelligence probe involving him and his campaign proceeds. the only way the democrats can have any influence on that supreme court process is if they stick together as a caucus, then
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they need to convince just one republican that the vote should not happen until after the november elections. that's the way. the one way that democrats can have an influence on this process. voters seem to have a strategy. if you want to stiffen your senator's spine, you have to show up and you can show one a cardboard cutout. we have seen this before and we have seen it work. this week marks the start of the july 4 recess which means the senate is back home for the holiday. we know had a that could look like. the last fourth of july was the apex over the fight of the republicans' effort to take away the affordable care act, health insurance for million of people.
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when congress left for d.c. last year, they came home to people holding die-ins and vigils. people dogging they will at town halls and showing up outside local offices and refusing to leave. the republican effort to repeal the affordable care act failed. all that pressure worked. even when everyone said it wouldn't, it worked. now this fourth of july with another national 5:30 over the fate of the supreme court brewing. we are starting to see it getting started. the stakes if anything are higher. but everybody knows the play book now. here it comes.
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it all started when donald trump tore thousands of immigrant children away from their parents. we the people challenged him in court and in the streets. then trump was forced to admit that his policy was wrong. and he caved. the court just ruled that trump must reunite every family he broke apart. (clock ticking rapidly) time is ticking. these children must see their parents again, and they're counting on us to act quickly.
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15 people turned out this weekend in antler, north dakota. 15 of 27 to protest the zero tolerance policy that's taking kids away from their parents at the u.s. border. they were joined by an estimated 35,000 people in washington, d.c. across from the white house. another 55,000 people marching in l.a. 60,000 people in chicago which was twice what the organizers there expected. 94 in nashville and still tons of people turned out. more than 750 townes and cities around the country to protest against the trump administration, taking kids away from their parents at the border and then effectively refusing to give them back. one mom named jenny gonzalez, her three young kids were taken away from her by the trump administration. they were brought to die yooga in new york city. while her kids got sent to new york city, their mom, got sent
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to arizona to a detention facility. her lawyer did a radio interview last month in which he discussed her case. one new york city mom, a regular mom, called up the lawyer and said i heard you on the radio. he told her if his client would get reunited with her family, the first thing she needed was money so she could get out on bail. you can't get your kids back the you're being hold detention. you have to get the mom out so she can get her kids. after hearing from that lawyer, that mom in new york who heard him on the radio and said money, that we can get done. she and her friends raised more than $30,000 from a little more than 500 people this significance days. and they posted bond for jenny gonzalez. her bond was set at $7500. that enabled her to walk out of that detention center in eloy, arizona. she still needed help getting to
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her kids who were clear across the country. she was released from detention without any i.d. of any kind. without any i.d. you can't get on a in it. so these people who had reached out without knowing her, they worried that she would be vulnerable all over again to immigration or law enforcement if she tried to make the trip by flight or bus. they ended up with a cross country driving relay to drive jenny gonzalez from arizona to new york over the course of four days. just about an hour ago, she finally arrived. she made with it a crowd of supporters gathered to greet her. because of the rules, her kids will still have to spend nights in foster care. until a family member can sponsor them. she got there too late to see them tonight but she hopes to see them tomorrow. they don't get he saiding they were dreaming of but they will be able to see each other
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tomorrow because of the actions of another group of moms. so they now have this plan to help families. posting bond for the moms. it all starts with a chance to post bail with the moms and the dads. the opportunity to make bond. even as people have figured out how to make payment, that single first step, just getting that opportunity may have just gotten harder. that story is next. stay with us. of our friends. and we found others just like us. and just like that we felt a little less alone. but then something happened. we had to deal with spam, fake news, and data misuse. that's going to change. from now on, facebook will do more to keep you safe and protect your privacy. because when this place does what it was built for, then we all get a little closer.
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the mom who arrived in new york city tonight hoping to reunite with her kids, she was able to do that thanks to a network of volunteers and a crowd funding campaign to pay her bond to get her released from detention. this is one new tactic that's been invented and is now being deployed by americans opposed to the trump policy of separating their parents for kids. raise money, raise bond for parents that have been arrested, get them released and get them to where their kids are so we can get them back together with their kids. that new system only works if parents are allowed to post bond. this is new from bother jones magazine. kate, who is working with separated mothers at a detention
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center near austin says until late last week, parents were usually being released with bonds of about $1,500. that appeared to change on thursday. she says the deportation officer assigned to her client, a young mother, told her that he received instructions from his superiors to deny bond to separated mothers. the government doesn't appear to have any plan for giving back the kids they have taken away from their parents. getting the parents bonded out is the only way where the parents and kids can be reunited. that made up new mcgyver system could go away, too. joining us now is kate lincoln-goldfinch.
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thank you for being with us. >> thank you for having me. >> usually when you represent a client in a circumstance like this, they are able, usually, to post bond at the discretion of the court. >> it's a long established policy that asylum seekers are issued a bond by ice. and ice, you know, in the last several months has been issued bonds of $1,500 so that people can get out as soon as they pass their interview. on thursday that policy changed, which was within 48 hours after the judges ordering reunification of the families within 30 days. >> that judge's order, that's a really important part of this. this is a federal district judge who issued a binding order nationwide that the trump administration needed to get kids under the age of 13, 14, younger kids back with their
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families, forgive me, get back with their families within 14 days and older kids within 30 days. >> yes. >> you think this bond change, which you have seen with your clients on the border, may have been in response to that court order? >> that's what it appears to be. it is certainly what i have seen on the ground with my clients and that's what my colleagues are reporting from detention centers around the state of texas. >> wouldn't the court order imply they need to do the opposite? they need to be doing more to get parents out to be reunited with their kids? the way this is -- you are describing this with the timing and this change, it feels like they are acting in defiance of that judge's order. >> that was my reaction. when i spoke with a deportation order, i said i don't see how this is in compliance with a jud judge's order. he said i don't see how it is either. >> are you seeing any effort by
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the government to in a large scale way and orderly way to try to start complying with that order, try to get some system in place to reunite kids? >> none. >> what do you think will happen if the court order is flagrantly denied at this court? as an attorney, what will happen with that confrontation at the end of this 14 days and then the 30-day period? >> well, i'm sure the aclu will attempt to enforce the order in court. but on the ground what will happen is the children and the parents will continue to suffer. i spoke with three mothers today separately, all of whom were completely distraught because they haven't seen their children in six weeks. their kids are calling them from the detention centers crying, saying they want them to get
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reunited. i represent a boy who cries for his mother all night in his sleep and he's terrified of the police because he thinks they will take him away. there is really there is a lot of suffering going on in the moment. and it's really hard to watch as a mother and advocate. this has been different. >> immigration attorney working in austin. thank you for helping us understood. ice is telling us what you have observed is not happening and we wouldn't know the ground truth of it if you weren't telling us about it. thank you for helping us understand. we'll be right back. stay with us. [ drum roll ] ...emily lapier from ames, iowa. this is emily's third nomination and first win. um...so, just...wow! um, first of all, to my fellow nominees, it is an honor sharing the road with you. and of course, to the progressive snapshot app for giving good drivers the discounts --
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