show @velshiruhle. right now, more news with my colleague. >> where is she? >> coming back, apparently. what americans do, grilling on the fourth of july. >> is that what you're going? >> totally. >> happy fourth of july, ali velshi, happy fourth of july to all of you. i'm chris jansing. the number we're keeping our eye on this morning is 7. seven contenders that we know of to fill anthony kennedy's seat. replacing him with a moderate looking more and more like a very long shot, as key republicans weigh in on who will not have their vote. we're keeping our watch on the growing number of scott pruitt's scandals this morning as well. now he's pushing back against a report that he lobbied for another cabinet member's job. plus new video of those trapped soccer players and their coach. look at this video inside the flooded cave in thailand. they're actually taking diving lessons now as well as getting medical supplies and treatment. but at this moment, options are limited.

all of them fraught with danger. our team is here and ready to go this morning. but let's start with just five days until president trump announces his pick for the supreme court. new reports of the debate intensifying within the republican party between the conservative legal establishment and social conservatives. and no indication that the president, who right now is golfing at trump national in virginia, has made up his mind. what we know is that on tuesday trump met with three more potential nominees after meeting with four of them on monday. during his salute to service dinner in west virginia lasting night, president trump said he had spent the last three days interviewing candidates for the high court and promised he would, quote, hit a home run with his eventual pick. >> we're going to give you a great one. we're going to announce it on monday. and i think you'll be very impressed. these are very talented people. brilliant people. and i think you're going to really love it, like justice gorsuch. we hit a home run there and we're going to hit a home run

here. and step by step, we are making america great again. >> nbc's kelly o'donnell is at the white house for us. hi, kelly. have any of these seven potential supreme court nominees he's met with so far emerged as a frontrunner? >> reporter: well, we can only judge that from the outside. the stock rises and falls for some of these potential candidates. what we don't know is where the president's thinking is at this moment. and there are days to go. and during the time remaining, the president may do additional interviews like a second round, for example. he hear from more senators who play a role to advise and consent and confirm a pick. we have heard different things. for example, the conservative movement which really emphasizes the passionate right side of the political spectrum has been very

favorable toward amy barrett. at the same time, brett kavanaugh, who is someone who has worked in washington, had been a part of the bush administration, on the bench since 2006. some say maybe he's too much a part of the establishment. amy barrett is newer to the bench and was nominated by this president and confirmed by the senate. so we've seen some of that rise and fall. people trying to discern any hidden sort of intent in past rulings and so forth to try to see where this might be going. >> add to that, of course, kelly, a president who sometimes will change his mind or give us a little head fake. i don't think anybody would be surprised to read in "the new york times" this morning that someone close to the president was quoted as saying he could in fact change his mind between now and monday. in fact susan collins has been vocal about wanting the president to expand his short list. what are the chances he goes off the grid? >> reporter: well, i think because the president used the original list of 25 as a way to

communicate to evangelical christians and conservatives as a candidate that that has been a template. at the same time, i've covered five of these supreme court -- this will be the sixth of the process to see justices nominated and then confirmed. we have seen even with gorsuch, it came down to two finalists. so an outlier is highly unlikely because of the narrow margin in the senate. so of these names, these are the names that make the most sense for us to continue to pursue, understanding who they are, why they might be selected. but knowing what the president is thinking i always reserve for someone smarter than me. there is too much time before his planned announcement for us to be certain one way or the other. for those candidates on the list, they may see their stock rise and fall as there are articles written about them and outside groups getting involved, chris. >> not enough time in the day for me to find someone smarter than you, kelly o'donnell. thank you so much for that. happ

harry lippmann, former assistant attorney general during the clinton administration. matt mclarty, chairman of mclarty associates. matt, you worked on the ginsburg and breyer nominations. one thing that hasn't changed, the nominee has to pass through a senate vote. given the political reality that the president surprises us and either goes off the list altogether orleans toward one of the most moderate choices on the list? >> i hope it's the latter, i hope the president has listened carefully to senators collins and murkowski of his own party. you have some emotion on this from the democratic side because judge merrick garland, a very accomplished jurist, was not confirmed in kind of an unfortunate situation. you've got some real cross

currents here. who knows what president trump will ultimately decide. he's on a fast track. i would say, chris, he may be a bit better prepared on this decision than some others he's faced because of that early list that he put forward in the campaign. so he's got a list of people. could he expand that as senator collins asked him to? perhaps. it seems to me he wants to move forward here. i suspect he maybe has made up his mind subject to that last thought before he moves forward. >> harry, even as the word "moderate" comes out of my mouth, i realized those terms don't have the same meaning they once did. it's little fuzzy on the edges. but you clerked for justice kennedy. let me ask you this specifically. do you see anyone on this list who could, as he did, be a true swing vote, say, siding with conservatives on a travel ban but liberals on same-sex marriages? >> i'm scared to say it because it may doom him, but my hometown favorite, tom hardiman, i think might qualify there.

but everyone on the list i think will be pretty much of the same stripe and join the so-called conservatives already. i think i second what mac has to say about stock rising and falling. but having worked it from the inside, i think i want to report that some of the stock rising and falling really has nothing to do with what's going on in the middle of the administration. nevertheless, i think the name that has popped up most recently besides amy barrett and brett kavanaugh is raymond kethledge. one quick point about brett kavanau kavanaugh, you say he's an establishment person. he's not only that. he was very involved in the impeachment of clinton. he wrote much of the starr report. democrats would make him own it if he's chosen. and that might not be the focus that trump most prefers in the

coming confirmation battle. >> yeah, there's a lot of politics. but when you strip that stuff away and you go into america, there is a lot of talk about what's at stake, abortion being one that gets a lot of the conversation going for sure. in "the new yorker," jeffrey toobin wrote about what's at stake if there's a solidly conservative majority. quoting him, it will overrule roe v. wade allowing states to ban abortion and allow states to prosecute nurses and doctors who perform them. it will allow hotel owners to refuse service to gay customers on religious grounds. it will guarantee that fewer latino students attend elite universities. it will allow states to stop regulation of machine guns and

bump stocks. susan, what's at stake here? >> there's a lot at stake. it needs to go through the trial process. there will be justices who are concerned about precedent, no doubt. but it is a really interesting time, when you're looking at the trump white house. president trump has decided to be his own chief of staff, be his own communications director. so it's not completely out of the consideration that he may pick someone not on that list at all. and i'm not saying i know who it is. but i don't think it would be a jeanine pirro. >> did you just say jeanine pirro? >> i'm not suggesting that jeanine pirro will become a supreme court justice. but it could be someone as left field with the proper credentials as that. >> can i dissent from that? >> no, go ahead, quickly. >> very quickly, trump in every other area, it's true. here is the one he's played by

the book, it's been very successful for him, maybe the most. i see no chance he'll go off the list. >> the only reason i say that is just because i think he is now looking at a mueller investigation and he wants someone who he is comfortable with who he knows will have a loyalty to him. and he doesn't know the folks on this list at all. >> all right. so susan collins, one of the people who is saying maybe he ought to look off the list. let's go to nbc's vaughn hillyard in bangor, maine, collins' territory. you tracked her down, it looks like the parade is over and the cars are leaving, but what did she have to tell you, vaughn? >> reporter: susan collins just left brewer, maine. she's crossing the bridge over into bangor, maine, she's a woman on the move. coming up in washington, d.c., as you just said, they need -- donald trump needs -- it depends, when we're talking about going off that list, he needs susan collins. if john mccain doesn't vote,

they need every single republican senator plus vice president pence to confirm the nominee. will you vote no? >> i'm going to interview the nominee at great length. that will be a question that i will definitely ask. i asked it of chief justice roberts, of neil gorsuch. >> reporter: do you need to hear that from them? >> it would be very difficult for me to support a nominee who did not consider roe v. wade to be settled law. >> reporter: a lot on the left are saying the federalist society, that all of this entire list has come from them. you said this weekend, i think, that you're going to send the president your own list. have you done that?

>> first of all, i have said to the president, personally to his face, as well as to his counsel, that i do not believe that he should be constrained by any list of nominees. and he and his counsel were able to point to me five different people who have been added to the list since the federalist society and other groups came up with this list. i can tell you the name of a person i would not support who is on that list. and that is william pryor, who is currently a circuit judge and is from alabama. i voted against him when he came up for his judgeship years ago. and i would continue to vote against him because of his demonstrated and repeated comments that indicate hostility to roe v. wade.

>> reporter: chris, susan collins is one of just two republican senators who considers themselves pro-choice, susan collins and lisa murkowski. remember, along with john mccain, who voted down the trump-pushed health care bill. it was susan collins and susan murkowski. they've shown a willingness in the past to buck the president. susan collins is a republican, but a lot of individuals here voted for hillary clinton and support susan collins and want her to take that position. >> 61% of americans want a justice who will vote to uphold roe. thank you very much, vaughn hillyard, in bangor, maine. the president had what can only be described as a very bad day with the facts yesterday. entire stories written about how misleading his tweets were. "the new york times" fact checker wrote, quote, in the space of a few hours, president trump on tuesday took credit for averting a war in north korea,

charged without proof that barack obama had secretly granted citizenship to thousands of iranians as part of nuclear disarmament negotiations, and appeared to suggest that customers of motorcycle maker harley-davidson were psychic. later he was trolled by jk rowling and merriam-webster's twitter account for a misspelling in a tweet in which he actually praised himself for his ability to write. his facts, misfacts, and misstatements, are tracked, they're corrected, they bother a lot of people. but apparently not his base. why not? >> because he has done a very -- the president has done an excellent job in reaching out to his base and setting up this standard of -- which is blatantly false, of fake news. he's able to say don't listen to what others are telling you, listen to me. and they say, oh, everyone's

ganging up on trump. you have to highlight the inaccuracies of the things he does. it's a double edged sword because it seems like the media is ganging up on him, which i don't think it is, i think they're trying to be responsible. >> today when the first lady tweeted about independence day, "independence" was misspelled and the president or somebody in his office retweeted it and said, it's just a misspelling, let's not make this a federal crime. but you don't have the usual things in place that you would think they would have before something goes out. mac, i know you weren't chief of staff in the days of twitter, you probably thank god every day for that. having said that, what do you make of this stuff that keeps coming from the white house, from the president, that is either patently false or misleading, and we don't see the numbers move on it.

or look, you know, in your administration, everyone in my lifetime, somebody tells a demonstrable lie, it becomes this huge thing, it goes on for days. with him, everyone kind of shrugs their shoulders and moves on. >> chris, you made at least two points there. number one, i think when this white house has a lack of process, a lack of thoughtful decisionmaking, it generally is to their detriment. people in the country want confidence, they want the president and his staff to govern effectively and lift their lives. secondly, i think the president has moved past truthful hyperbole in his statements to statements that are just totally wrong, in some cases just baseless in terms of facts. however, i think many people in the country now are looking past that. they like the celebrity. they're looking at the economy. they're looking at north korea. so i think all of this kind of gets diffused in the swirl of news. and that's what susan alluded

to. and i think that's true. >> mac mclarty, harry lippmann, thank you very much. susan, stick around. scott pruitt's scandals keep piling up. this time he's hitting back against a report that he wanted jeff sessions fired so he could take the job. thanks for the ride-along, captain! i've never been in one of these before, even though geico has been- ohhh. ooh ohh here we go, here we go. you got cut off there, what were you saying? oooo. oh no no. maybe that geico has been proudly serving the military for over 75 years? is that what you wanted to say? mhmmm. i have to say, you seemed a lot chattier on tv. geico. proudly serving the military for over 75 years. you ok back there, buddy? welcome to holiday inn! thank you! ♪ ♪ wait, i have something for you! every stay is a special stay at holiday inn. save up to 15% when you book early

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pushback over a report that pruitt wanted attorney general jeff sessions out so he could run the justice department instead. cnn reporting that pruitt directly appealed to president trump, something pruitt told nbc in a statement is simply false. either way, pruitt is currently facing at least 15 separate ethics investigations costing taxpayers millions. so thanks to our friends at "nbc nightly news," check out the list. an unprecedented 24/7 security detail. first class air travel. a four-day visit to morocco. an upgraded lease for a high end suv. soundproof phone booth. biometric locks. a total of nearly $4 million, all on the taxpayers' dime. but pruitt is pretty tight with his own money. last year, paying only 50 bucks a night for a room in this washington condo owned by a lobbyist. he wanted to buy a used mattress from the trump hotel. enlisting an epa staffer to

secure a chik-fil-a franchise for his wife. his former chief of staff is echoing what a lot of republicans have been saying. >> the problem with this is i joined the trump campaign even before his announcement. and why that was was because of the whole message of draining the swamp. not only did we not drain the swamp, we put a bigger swamp creature in there. >> yesterday fox news host laura ingraham tweeted that pruitt is the swamp and it's time to drain it. joining me, a white house reporter for the daily beast who has written extensively on scott pruitt. these latest reports thfrom the last 48 hours or so, is any of that inconsistent with your reporting? in other words, would you put it past him? >> well, at this point i'm not sure i would put anything past administrator pruitt.

everything that's come out, including reporting we've done over the last weeks and months at the daily beast, amounts to cascading parodies of what people think scott pruitt is. we reported at the daily beast recently that he was not only involved in but personally directed campaigns against his own aides and former aides at the epa who he felt had betrayed him or turned on him. so it's not just a matter of his deregulatory regime or corruption allegations. the portrait that aides and former aides to administrator pruitt paint of him is very consistently a man who kind of washes himself in the form of pettiness and vengeance that is only comparable really to president trump when we're talking about the trump

administration. >> i have to say, when i read that article about the v vindictivene vindictiveness, you would think you can't be surprised any more, and then you are. what seems to be the unanswerable question, why is the outrage, even from people like laura ingraham, not registering with the white house? >> it's certainly registering with the white house. as we've reported for months and months now, practically everyone in the senior ranks in the trump white house from chief of staff john kelly and down -- >> let me restate that. why isn't it registering with the president? because yesterday after that, you know, report came out about sessions, hogan gidley said it was troublesome but the president is concerned about it but there's nothing to announce personnel-wise, the same thing we've heard sarah sanders say from the podium time and time again. >> oh, absolutely. based on the people we're talking about in the white house, it certainly is registering with the president,

he's been getting increasingly annoyed with epa administrator scott pruitt but has done very little to act on it. mr. trump's predecessors, anyone who had acted similarly would have been gone months ago. as we know about president trump, he has a nasty habit of really dragging his feet, oftentimes, if not most of the times, in terms of getting rid of people. in terms of what scott pruitt is doing in terms of regulations and policy at the epa, at least in that corner of things, he's been satisfying president trump's whims rather well. >> thank you so much, good to see you. happy fourth. a race against the clock in thailand to save those young soccer team players trapped in a flooded cave. how can rescuers get them out alive? my day starts well before i'm in the kitchen.

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spirits. but the clock is ticking. nbc's janis mackey frayer has been on the ground in chiang rai, thailand. >> reporter: chris, rescuers are dealing with this looming threat of the monsoon rains which could push water levels inside the cave dangerously high and perhaps even fully flooded. it's why rescue officials are considering an evacuation attempt in the next day or two. they've been rehearsing possible scenarios. they've been practicing with the boys wearing full face masks and practicing breathing. but there are no easy next moves here. the kids don't even know how to swim, let alone have the diving skills to navigate over three miles of murky water. another possibility they're looking at is trying to find a new entry to the cave system. they have hundreds of people walking around in this area,

looking for cracks, chimneys, places where they can drill so they can drop ropes to the boys and pull them out that way. pumps are also running 24/7, trying to pump the floodwaters out. apparently the strength of the current has been reduced. but one of the diving experts i spoke to here said he just doesn't think there's enough time, because once the rain comes, it will erase all of that progress. meanwhile, medics have been with the boys inside of the cave. they've been caring for them, keeping their spirits up. they sent video messages today to their families who have been out here waiting like everybody else, hoping that these boys are going to come out soon, come out safely. the question now, when will that happen. chris? >> janis mackey frayer in thailand for us, thank you for that. today there is one more addition to a very long list of those concluding that russia interfered in the 2016 election

in order to help donald trump and hurt hillary clinton. a bipartisan report from the senate intel committee backs up the findings in the u.s. intelligence community. quote, the conclusions of the assessment are sound. once again, though, the president is finding himself at odds with his own intelligence agencies. yesterday he attacked the nsa in a tweet, writing, wow, the nsa has deleted 685 million phone calls and text messages. privacy violations? they blame technical irregularities. such a disgrace. the witch hunt continues. that's all a misstatement, by the way. and the president continues taking credit for peace in pyongyang. one tweet saying, no rocket launches or nuclear testing in eight months. all of asia is thrilled. only the opposition party, which includes the fake news, is complaining. if not more if he, we would now be at war with north korea. but nbc is reporting that the president's only intelligence agencies believe north korea has increased its production of fuel for nuclear weapons at multiple

secret sites. joining me now, ambassador michael mcfaul, former ambassador to russia and an msnbc international affairs analyst, and author of the new book, "from cold war to hot peace: an american ambassador in putin's russia." victor cha, an msnbc korean affairs analyst. so much to get to, gentlemen. ambassador, president trump is slated, as you know, to meet with president putin in a couple of weeks from now. there are reports from the kremlin that if both sides agree, the two leaders can meet privately, no aides, just assess that for us. >> i think it's a bad idea for america for a couple of reaps. number one, vladimir putin, president putin, has been at this for 20 years. this is now his fourth president that he's had these bilateral meetings with. he knows all these issues cold. i sat in a half a dozen meetings with him when i was in the government. whereas president trump does not

know these issues cold. he doesn't know the history. that just puts the advantage to president putin. number two, you need a note-taker in those meetings. we need to know what happened. i was in every meeting that president obama had with russian presidents because we wanted somebody to be recording things in case there was a disagreement. and even in the obama days, there were disagreements about what happened in those be meetings. so i think it's a bad idea. it gives advantage to putin and disadvantage to trump. >> i want you to expand a little bit on that experience that he has, and we'll remind folks he's a former kgb officer. how does he go into those meetings? give us a little bit of a psychological profile. >> well, first, like i said, he's been at this for two decades. in the kgb, because they dealt with national security issues too, he's been at this forever. president trump did a lot of other things in his career but he didn't work on national security issues. number two, president putin comes very prepared for these

meetings. he spends a lot of time preparing. he goes in trying to achieve russian national interests as defined by him. what's striking from president trump at least rhetorically so far is, he just sees the meeting as the outcome that he wants. he just wants a good meeting. the actual issues he wants to advance are very unclear. to the extent he's hinted at any, they're all concessions to russia, right? he's said he would look into recognizing crimea as a part of russia, an outrageous thing to say. he's talked about reducing our military in europe, in germany, all things that are concessions to president putin. leaving syria is the third thing he's floated recently. all concessions to putin. in exchange for what? i don't know what that "what" is. >> and all things, victor cha, that make the people who are going to be with the president

before he goes to helsinki nervous. the last nato meeting, we'll say in an understatement, didn't go well, at least from the perspective of the other countries that were there. give us again the lay of the land. and is there anything that you see happening in that nato meeting that could impact the way the president approaches his meeting with vladimir putin? >> you would want to use a meeting like nato to get nato allies behind you, for whatever agenda you want to pursue. it's a great platform. but as we've seen with the g-7, other previous nato meetings, the president used these things to really stick it in the eye of the allies, to tell germany and others, you're not paying enough, you're not spending enough on defense spending. there are opportunities to use these meetings to advance an agenda, as michael just described. but it's not clear this president is going to do that. >> what's the worst case scenario for folks at nato, that he leaves early, that he doesn't show up for meetings, the way that he did at the g-7, that the clear message is sent to putin, we don't have any kind of

unanimity here? >> sure. and we've seen him do this at the g-7, he misses meetings or deliberately goes after particular nato countries and says you need to do this more, you need to do that more. and this creates a lot of dissension, not just among nato countries, but when we're talking about china or russia, they're looking at this dissension in the western bloc and seeing it as all playing to their advantage. >> what do you see, in the administration, ambassador, who could have some influence on all of this, that would be something that would easy fears of people like yourself? >> that's a good question. actually many people in the trump administration i think have the right instincts towards russia. >> just not the influence. >> the -- sorry? >> just not the influence. >> yeah. well, the policy so far, and you saw this weird tip-toeing with mr. bolton last weekend, the policy so far is pretty good. the policy so far is not to recognize crimecrimea, to keep

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nearly two months after seeking asylum at the san ysidro port of entry on may 2nd. here is what she told marianna. >> what has happened now? why haven't you gotten your children back? [ speaking in spanish ] "we don't know anything. we don't know if they're going to turn them over to us later. they don't say anything. they just say we have to fill out paperwork. i don't know how long it's going to take." >> joining me now is congressman vicente gonzalez, democrat representing texas and a member of the hispanic congressional caucus. are you seeing any movement at all from what you have been able to discern that these families

are being reunited or will be in the very near future? >> well, i'm seeing very little. obviously it's going to be a complex endeavor. we have over 2,000 kids that have been separated. and i hope that they get reunited soon. as you know, we have this federal court order. they have 15 days to reunite the toddlers and 30 days to reunite all of them. i hope they did a good job in keeping track of where the parents are and where the individual children are. >> are you confident of that? they say they have. are you confident of that? >> i'm cautious. i'm optimistic. i want to make sure that this gets done. we need to quit playing games. these are human lives we're dealing with and the world is watching. i certainly hope we have the resources invested to get this done within the 30-day period. >> as you know, its not i.c.e. who separates families at the border, but there is a list of democrats joining the abolish i.c.e. movement. the daily beast first reported

on the congressional hispanic caucus, you're a member of that caucus, that they're pushing back against this idea, drafting a memo that rejects calls to abolish the federal agency. tell us where you stand. >> well, i'm on the border. i don't know where the caucus stands, but i.c.e., we have a lot of very good agents that protect our country and have a job to do. so i don't know that abolishing the agency is the brightest move. i think we need to be careful with the policy that they have. i think we should be more concerned about the policy coming from the top down. obviously if we have a rogue agent, he needs to get fired or reprimanded. but abolishing the agency, we here in texas, for example, import -- have more than $350 billion of trade with mexico that we deal with here on our border. and i.c.e. is at the front of this. so they do a lot of good work. there are a lot of good agents.

and obviously there are some rogue ones that need to be removed. but i don't know that abolishing the entire agency would be the brightest move. >> vicente gonzalez, on this fourth of july it's kind of you to take the time to talk to us. we appreciate it. thank you very much. >> happy fourth of july to all our veterans. >> thank you. female candidates dominating the ballot box this year. but so far, it's a wave tilting to the left. what it means for dems in this critical midterm season. as live look at the statue of liberty. we can barely see it out there in new york city. thing says sumr like a beach trip,

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women are fired up. the only way they can take back their country is elect more women. >> they rely not necessarily what we would see of a lot of tv ads because the person that's running against them is spending all this money and they're doing personal videos that take flights on social media and going out there and doing the hard work, radioigight? >> is there a difference between women are running today and the way men run? >> i think women and my experience seen them as candidates, they are harder workers and methodical and they understand the concept of them being able to get voters interested who may not normally be interested in elections. that's why we see voter turn out models this past year and recently in the new york primary. women will reach out to women in a different way, they'll expand their base and expand on the issues that they wanted to go

after. now especially if you want to call 2018, the gear year of the women, suburban women, very concerned of reproductive rights. they are angry at donald trump. they better change the vote turn out models because they can get the same amount of votes they did last year or the year before. they'll lose it and that's all they're looking at. the other thing that strikes me adrienne, the successful ones have a personal story to tell. many of them ran because of that personal story, they ran because something happened with their healthcare. they ran because their parents aging and something that happens and the threats that they see that are out there. the authenticity is all politics

that we have been saying for decades are more true when you are up against somebody who the perception is joe crawley who have been entrenched in washington for decades. >> we are seeing women who are teachers who have been part of the fabric of the community and they're seeking to represent for quite a long time. they're saying you know what, just because some of these party committees are not recruiting me and i don't have you know political establishment family in my officblood does not mean don't care about office. somebody can be apart of the donor community. you are seeing these people who are women in particular coming out and running and i think going back to the viral video concept that you are disreferencing. it is shaping the dynamic of what it takes to run for office. no longer do you have to raise

money to get your message out on television. you can create these compelling viral videos. cortez as the prime example. i want to get to our nbc wall street journal polls. we ask voters if they believe our country will be better off with more women in politics? >> the biggest difference was not motivated by gender but political affiliation. i mean the clinton voters and suburban women at 88% and 74%. republicans at 49% trumped at 44%. what does that vote for the republican party? >> the only way the republican party is going to get so back is good, moderate females running

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