right. >> the obama white house are process fetishists in my experience. thanks for joining us. i have some exciting news. this week, our podcast "why is this happening" passed over 1 million downloads. if you've been listening, thank you, thank you, thank you. you can get that on tune in or wherever you get your podcast. >> congrats on the podcast. all right have a good one. all right, and thanks to you for joining us this hour. rachel has one more night off but she will be back on monday. now, it's been a big week and a busy friday. a lot to get to, including someone who will be here in studio who we're excited to talk to. you probably saw her over the holiday taking when they go low we go high literally. patricia okoumou scaled the straight chew statue of liberty to protest the policy of separating children

from their parents at the border. she'll be live in the studio for her first tv interview in just a few minutes so you do not want to miss that. we're also going to talk live with a lawyer who was arguing against this policy in court today. who will update us on whether the trump administration is complying with the judge's timetable to put these families back together again. but we start tonight with frederick von stuben. he was born in 1730 in the kingdom of prussia, an area that is now modern day germany. at 17, he joined the prussian army and fought in the seven years war. it was one of the most sophisticated and powerful armies in the world. he had a distinguished military career, eventually becoming a top aide to frederick the great. he's also believed to have been an openly gay man, which is no small thing in the 1700s in prussia. in 1763, he was abruptly

dismissed from the prussian army. it was rumored at the time he was let go because he was gay. so with no job and nowhere to go, he went to america. he arrived in the states in the throes of the revolutionary war, in 1777. the continental army was losing. they had just suffered through a bitter winter at valley forge. the troops were demoralized. they were living in filth. they were untrained. george washington needed someone to whip his men into shape, to teach them how to properly fight a war. and it was right around that time that george washington met frederick von stuben. he was impressed with his military experience and with his strong personality. and so washington hired von toobin. he was not give and title. but he took the job anyway. trained washington's army at valley forge. he taught them how to march, how to stay in line, how to reload

their musket. he taught them how to build late trins and run kitchens. he did it all in broken english. when the troops failed to follow orders, he would curse at them in german and french. one of the only english phrases he knew was --. but in less than two months this gay man from prussia turned them into a professional army. he helped create an identity, an order, a learned skill. among this group of soldier trainees to teach them how to fight and win the war. frederi frederick von stubben served until the end of the ree revolutionary war. he wrote a book. they called it the blue book because all he had to write on was blue paper which has since faded a bit. the u.s. army still uses portions of the blue book to teach new recruits to this very day. frederick von stuben from prussia is credited with

creating america's professional army which is now the most powerful fighting force in the world. again this little known hero of the american revolution who volunteered to help this country win its independence, to help turn the tide of the war in america's favor, was not actually american. during the war, he wrote this letter to george washington, explaining why he volunteered to fight for a country that was not his own. he told washington, quote, the object of my greatest ambition is to render your country all the services in my power, and to deserve the title of a citizen of america by fighting for the cause of your liberty. in 1784, von stuben got his wish. as a thank you for his service, as a reward for his sacrifices he made to america, the pennsylvania legislature passed a law that made him a u.s. citizen. frederick von stuben lived out his days in the united states. the immigrant soldier from prussia who created the professional american army died at home in new york as an

american citizen. ever since the revolutionary war, immigrants in this country represented a significant vital part of our armed forces. they fought in every single war this country has ever engaged in. it's been codified in our history. dating back to von stuben and his blue back. deciding to risk your life for a country is a brave and incredible sacrifice. risking your life for someone else's country, that's something else. like other presidents before him, george w. bush recognized that incredible sacrifice. in december 2008 at the very tail end of his presidency, he started something called mob me. it stands for military accessions viable to the national interest. it was a program that allowed immigrants living in the united states to get a fast track to citizenship if they joined the armed forces. an attempt to recognize the extraordinary contribution and sacrifice they had made by enlisting. when the program first launched, it was built for is,000 people.

right off the bat, more than 14,000 immigrants living in the country called up army recruiting programs. asking how they could serve the country and become u.s. citizens. the immigrants who enlisted through the program scored significantly higher on their entrance exams. on average, they were more highly educated. they filled serious deficits in the army. doctors and dentists and speakers of languages in far flung corners of the world. during president obama's tenure, the program recruited psychologists to help with the emotional distress experienced by soldiers in afghanistan and iraq. the policy really has been bipartisan. in 2014, president obama expanded the program to allow daca recipients to participate. one immigrant who volunteered to serve was a dentist from philadelphia named amman dylan. he was born in india and moved to the united states in 2006.

he was an ivy league graduate. he told "the new york times" he wanted to join the u.s. army because of the opportunity to treat a wide range of patients. he said he was not afraid of the risks of service. quote, this country does not differentiate between color or accent. here if you're good, people will put you to the front. that was the whole idea. take these selfless immigrants who came to this country and enlisted in the army and reward their sacrifice with citizenship. putting them to the front. last year, the trump administration suggestion spended the program. and then late last night, this was the headline at the associated press. u.s. army quietly discharging immigrant recruits. quote, some immigrant u.s. army reservists and recruits who

eplisted in the military with a promised path to citizenship are being abruptly discharged. the associated press had learned. we do not know how many people enlisted through this program had been booted from the army. but immigration attorneys say they know of more than 40 who have been discharged and whose status -- or whose status has become questionable, jeopardizing their future. one of those 40 people is lucas. a brazilian immigrant who filed a lawsuit against the army last week. he says it was his dream to serve in the u.s. army, to give back to his adopted country. a dream that had come true until they kicked him out. so what does this mean and where does it go from here? joining us now is margaret stock, an alaska-based immigration attorney and retired u.s. army reserve lieutenant colonel who helped create the immigrant recruitment program. colonel, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for inviting me. i'm really pleased to be here. >> thank you. do we know what is being told to

these recruits who join under the program and are now being essentially deenlisted? >> well, they're getting text messages, e-mails, phone calls. i'm being told somehow they failed a background check. but no one will tell them why they failed. >> is there something in the background check, i mean, the form they filled out, that indicates maybe there was something dishonest on the form they filled out? maybe something they did proactively? or is this just part of winding down this program, to your knowledge? >> well, the department of defense a couple of years ago decide they wanted to do extreme vetting on all these recruits. they ordered up a whole set of new background checks but had no capability to do them. so this resulted in delays of two and even three years they're facing now before they can fully participate in the military and the military careers because they're basically stuck waiting while they undergo these

background checks. dod last year revealed a plot to simply cancel all the contracts because it didn't want to spend the money doing background checks on them. there was a public uproar and dod canceled the plans and went forward. but it became clear it was going to take many, many, many years before dod would be able to complete them and so in the last few weeks, we suddenly have seen a surge in mysterious discharges where they're suddenly being told they're being kicked out of the military and nobody will tell them why. they're not given a reason. they're not given any documents to prove they did anything wrong. they're simply being told they failed their background check somehow. one recruit, woe kicoincidentalt a hold of the paperwork that purportedly supported the argument that he had failed his back ground check. the paperwork indicated he hadn't really failed it. the only reason they were kicking him out was because he had, quote, foreign ties. now, these are immigrants. so they all have foreign ties.

and the documents cited that he got, coincidentally, said that he had a parent who lived in his home country who owned property and that when the parent passed away, he was going to inherit the property and he had told an investigator he plans to sell the property and use the money to invest in the united states. that was cited as some suspicious derogatory information. and then the second thing they said that he had done was he had a girlfriend, a fiance, in his home country, somebody he'd known since he was a child, and he planned to sponsor her to come to the united states to marry him after he became an american citizen. >> wow. you said that -- i think an important word there as you were describing what was going on, is contract. and presumably in the united states is making a contract with -- you can maybe give me an estimate of how many thousands of people that might have such contracts in place. is there anything in that contract that says that it is revicable at any time for any reason? >> well, it's a military

enlistment contract so the army believes its binding on him. but of course the military services often decide that somebody's not qualified to enlist in the military. normally, though, under army regulations, if a person supposedly failed a background check, they tell the person. they bring them in. they say it appears you failed a background check because you did the following things, what do you have to say for yourself? this is a fundamental principle called due process. but in these cases, none of these people are being told why they failed. and, in fact, their units, the commanders don't know why they failed. some of the people who supposedly failed these background checks recently received a promotion, got an award, there's nothing in their back ground or history to indicate they did anything wrong. but mysteriously and suddenly, they're receiving these discharge orders and being told they failed a background check. >> disturbing story, particularly so close to fourth of july. margaret stock, alaska-based immigration attorney. thank you very much for being

here tonight. >> thank you very much. and i appreciate you covering this story. >> thank you. all right, well, the trump administration was back in federal court today trying to get an extension on the judge's order to reunite children who were separateded from their migrant parents at the border. the order requires the government to provide parents telephonic contact with their children within ten days. that deadline for that was today. the judge also required the government to reunite children under 5 years old with their parents by tuesday. and to complete all family reunions by july 26th. just yesterday, health and human services secretary a lex aczar told reporters his agency will comply with the court's deadline. and that h.h.s. has a plan to get the job done. however, last night, the trump administration filed a motion, asking for extra time. the government began asking for more time last night, citing, the time-consuming procedures the government has been using to

verify parentage, including taking dna samples from all the kids and doing background checks. and today azar's agency told the judge that it can only get about half of the youngest children back to their parents by tuesday. and that hhs cannot even locate the parents of 38 kids, because half their parents have been released to whereabouts unknown and the other half have already been deported. so the trump administration today asked for more time to get the kids under 5 back to their parents. the judge said no, he told the government to turn in a list of the 101 children under 5 by tomorrow. and he will take up the matter again on monday. joining us now is one of the aclu lawyers who brought this class action lawsuit against the government on behalf of separated families. he was in the courtroom today in san diego. mr. gallant, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> i'm struck by the fact that the government is now saying that the process is complicated in getting these kids back together. because mr. azar, the hhs

secretary, was testifying publicly, i think just a week ago, that they could at the drop of a hat reunite parents and children. was the government arguing in court today that they do not have a system that matches parents "a" with child "a"? because if they had that system, why would they need dna? >> right. well, i think that came out today, that the government does not have a proper tracking system. the judge noted that in his ruling last week. and it was just reinforced today. it's clear the government cannot match all the parents and all the children. and so they asked for the judge to extend the deadline. as you said in your intro, the judge refused. what he did say is if you have very specific concrete reasons why a particular family cannot bedeadline, let the plaintiffs know, let me know. because right now we're in the dark. and then we'll talk in concrete terms about whether we're going to extend the deadline for a

particular individual family. but he refused to take up the government's request to just generally extend the deadlines. but it was absolutely clear in court today that the government's tracking system was not a good one, that they're not sure where all the parents are, and so what i said in arguing our side of the case was you need to give us the information. there are thousands of volunteers who want to help. we will get down there and see all the parents. ask them what their kid is like. what their kid's name is. try and help match. and do whatever we can. but these kids need to be reunified. >> i think it's pretty extraordinary to hear that the government now says they don't even know where some of these parents are. let's play hhs secretary, just last week, speaking with the senate finance committee about what he then said that they know. >> there's no reason why any parent would not know where their child is located. i could, at the stroke of -- keystrokes, i sat on the orr

portal with just basic keystrokes, within seconds, could find any child in our care for any parent. >> in court today when you were there, did they essentially take that back? >> well, they didn't mention the secretary's comments, but it was very clear that they could not match a parent -- all the parents and child with a stroke of a keyboard. the judge asked very pointed questions. we originally went in there to talk about all 3,000 or so kids that have been separated. but that deadline is not until july 26th for kids 5 and older. what ultimately happened is the judge, i think, made the correct decision to focus the hearing today on the children under 5. so we could fix that problem. and he said i want the government to submit to the plaintiffs a list of all 100 kids and explain for each individual kid why you cannot unite them. the government essentially did admit today that they do not have the ability to track all the parents of kids and match

them. >> and we've seen now that before deportation, i.c.e. is giving parents a form to fill out. only two options. i'm requesting to reunite with my children for the purpose of repatriation or i'm affirmatively request to return to my country without my minor children. which i understand will remain in the united states. the parents they say have already been deported. are they now saying where they deported them to or where they are? >> well, we will see what that list shows. they have to give us that list by 5:00 p.m. on saturday. we'll see what the list shows. i'm assuming it will least say what country the parent went to. but there's no question that those forms that they've been distributing are misleading. so what i've said in court today was that we want the government to cease using that form. we want to substitute a form in we've created that makes it clear that parents are entitled

to get their children back and it's not contingent upon them waiving their right to seek asylum in the united states. >> very quickly, i i want to just get this in. a lot of people have been talking about this today. nbc's peter alexalexerder did t this from court. when the attorney mentioned she was not going to be around this weekend because she was dog sitting. does it make a difference this doj lawyer is in colorado dog sitting? >> i did not understand the judge to say he wanted us in court this weekend. in fairness to her, i think she said that. but it didn't mean that she wasn't ready to work this weekend. the judge i think wanted to to be in court monday morning. >> the bottom line being, you didn't walk away from that hearing confident the government do at the drop of a hat reunite these kids? >> we did not. what we said was give us as much

information as you have. because we will help find the parents. >> okay. aclu attorney, legalant, thank you. we'll have much more coming up on the trump administration's migrant family separation crisis next, including the first tv interview with the woman who climbed the statue of liberty on the fourth of july to protest the trump administration's immigration policy. patricia okoumou will be here. oh don't... it's early 90s sitcom star dave coulier... cut...it...out! [laughing] what year is it? as long as stuff gets lost in the couch, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance.

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it seems fitting that on the fourth of july, the statue of liberty might get a bit more attention than usual. after all, there's really no more enduring an instandly recognizable symbol of america. lady liberty garnered attention for what a single gutsy protester did. scaling the statue, live on tv. that is patricia, personal train, staten island resident and apparently not very afraid of heights. she told police that she was protesting the trump administration's policy of separating migrant kids from their parents. the policy that has left nearly

3,000 children scared and alone in detention centers a cross the u.s. she is herself an immigrant. she moved to the u.s. from the democratic republic of congo in 1994 and is now a naturalized american citizen. this is trump administration policy she's protesting, she says it was another former white house occupant who actually inspired her to take action. >> michelle obama, our beloved first lady that i care so much about, said when they go low, we go high. and i went as high as i could. >> after more than three hour standoff with police, she finally came down. she's since been charged with three misdemeanors including trespassing and she has pleaded not guilty. joining us now is patricia patricia okoumou.

and j.w. walker, an organizer with rise and resist. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having us. >> i'm going to start with you. you were at the statue ostensibly to protest the administration policy, but what made you scale the statue? >> well, rice and resist had been planning this action as far as distributing a banner. some people were wearing t-shirts that said abolish i.c.e. and i figure, okay, i've never been to the statue of liberty. i don't know -- i would love to climb up there with the sign, the banner. but it wasn't something i was willing to discuss with the group because i didn't want to be discouraged. >> you didn't want them to stop you? >> yes. >> what did you think when patricia started heading up the statue? >> well, the truth is, no one in the group realized that it was patricia when people first noticed there was a person up there. originally, since it wasn't a part of our planned action, we were like, owe, that's somebody

else, that's some daredevil, we had no idea. it wasn't until some of the photographers that were with us used their telephoto zoom lenses and really got a good look that we were like, oh, my gosh, that's patricia. we had already issued a statement that said that has nothing to do with us. once we realized, the first thing was concern about her safety. >> sure. >> and concern that -- knowing that she was going to be engaging with law enforcement. she's a woman of color that was going to be engaging with law enforcement so we were concerned about the, you know, the possibility that she might be injured when she was brought down. >> yes. >> so we just immediately started trying to find legal assistance for her. >> on that point, and of course, you know, as a woman of color engaging with law enforcement, i'm glad you made that point. because some of the criticism is you put police in danger. and as a woman of color, you were creating an engagement with law enforcement that could have

compounded, tragedy upon tragedy. how do you respond? >> miss reid, can i call you joy? >> yes, joy. >> miss joy, i wasn't worried about that. that wasn't the first thing on my mind. my concern was for the kids being in a cage. this is just cruel and inhumane. i couldn't live with that. i had to do something. >> and what was the message that you wanted people to take away from what you were doing? >> that children don't belong in cages and they needed to be immediately reunited with their families, their mom and dads. >> and j.w., as far as the group is concerned, does this fit with the overall rise and resist message? is this what you want, direct action? >> that's what we are, we're a direct action group. that's how we were formed. that's what we do. obviously we were planning a very specific action with the banner drop. we generally don't plan things where people are going to be in any sort of peril or danger. but we absolutely support

patricia. the fact is, we were there to call attention to i.c.e., to call attention to how much i.c.e. is subverting and perverting all the ideals that america holds dear. and patricia just took it to the next level. once we realized that she was down and she was safe, there was nothing yn endangering her, all we could do is celebrate the success, the attention, to i.c.e. and these issues she brought. >> let's talk about how the trump administration's policies have hit you as an immigrant. i have congolese roots, you are from the democratic republic of the congo. the way the president talked about whole countries, referring to some african countries, the changes in the migration policy and now the detention of children. just tell me how that hit you as an immigrant? >> well, first of all, donald j. trump is a distracter in chief

and no way i'm going to focus my attention talking about his insult to immigrants. i think he's a -- he's trying to divide the country. we are a democracy. we stand for peace. and the constitution protect everybody, including immigrant. there is a process. something called due process. and he's ignoring unfortunately. i would not normalize his behavior. it's unprecedented. >> and what is rise and resist sort of plan? there has been a fair amount of people feeling disconcerted, not sure what to do. feel who feel angry, frustrated, scared. what is the plan? >> the plan is just to constantly call attention to the -- just to the sort of crimes against our very nature as americans. that donald trump and the administration are commit regularly on a daily basis. it's not just -- it's obviously

not just i.c.e., it's customs and border patrol. but i.c.e. is taking people who have been living and working and paying taxes and raising their families here for decades and storming into their homes and removing them over poorly filled out paperwork in their early immigration process. it's disgusting. >> and just before we go, the status of your legal case now, when are you expected to be in court? >> august 3rd. >> hopefully you'll update us on what's happening. glad you made it safely to the ground. >> thank you. >> thank you very much, patricia okoumou and jay walker, j.w. walker, activists with rise and resist. much more ahead tonight, including some late news that could change the trial for president donald trump's campaign chairman. married afte. and had twin boys. but then one night, a truck didn't stop. but thanks to our forester, neither did our story.

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we got news late this evening in the trial of former trump campaign manager paul manafort. he is currently facing a long string of charges from conspiracy to launder money to failing to register as a foreign agent. a federal judge in d.c. had manafort jailed last month because prosecutors newly allege he had attempted to tamper with witnesses in his case. he's also on trial in the d.c. suburb of alexandria, virginia. in that part of the case, mr. manafort's lawyers last week tried to argue that press coverage had leaked to the media were adversely affecting his defense. rachel brought you the transcript on friday, starting with defense attorney kevin

downey. >> we'd like to do, we don't have to take too much time, but we'd like to do some supplemental briefing with you, your honor, about the nature of the leaks that occurred here. we have higher level government officials that have said to the press that mr. manafort, and then the judge intervenes, well, have you filed? let's assume for a moment you're right. what is the remedy you would seek? and then downing said, well, the question becomes how can you have a fair trial when the press and media have been so saturated with false statements about the evidence? the judge said, all right, so what's the remedy, assuming you're right? downey, well, given the pattern of conduct, one remedy is certainly dismissal. the judge, no. putting that one aside. mr. downey, i'd like to stick with that one briefly. the judge, no. go on. then mr. downing says, your honor what i'm trying to deal with is i think you kind of glossed over this issue in terms of you talking to somebody and asking them some questions, i think we can do so many is up

plmtal briefing to just show how this court how satiated the populous. mr. downing, it would have to be a change of venue? the judge, ah, finally, finally. i live for the rachel reading. the judge gave the attorneys until today to file a request for a change of venue. late today, that request arrived. the defense would very much like to move his trial from liberal alexandria, virginia, to a part of the state that by complete and utter coincidence just so happened to have voted for donald trump in 2016. manafort's lawyer saying quote, mr. manafort submits a fair trial will be impossible without a change in even vvenue. joining us, joyce vance, great to see you. >> thanks for having me, joy. >> let's talk about the change of venue. we have a map here of alexandria

and roanoke, virginia. there we go. april just by coincidence, the potential pool of jurors in alexandria went clinton by roughly 70/30. whereas in roanoke, they went for trump by nearly the reverse, something like 68/32. is that common to try to move the trial to a more politically flavorable climate? >> i'm sure it's what every defendant who believes politics would help him or her would like to do. but typically these transfers are authorized under the federal rules only in cases where there would be such extreme prejudice to a defendant that he or should could not get a fair trial if they remained in place. you think of these big high-profile cases like the oklahoma city bombing which was moved from oklahoma city to denver. because of pretrial publicity. that's where these sorts of transfers usually take place. >> yes so in this case, do you

think that's likely, that it's likely to succeed? >> i think that this motion has a very slender chance of success. one factor here is it's not just the cities that we should be looking at. jurors are pulled from what's called a division inside of a judicial district. manafort has been indicted in the eastern district of virginia, which is alexandria, but, in fact, the jury is pulled from surrounding counties. and the same is true in roanoke, where the poll is from about 10 counties around ro one knock. it's deeply red except for metro r ro one knock which tends to vote democratic. this is a effort by mr. man fa for the to get a jury pool that's more to his liking. i don't think he'll be successful. >> one of the other issues that's brought up by paul manafort's attorneys is the publicity in the case. adversely affecting his client. none probably more hoe profile

than the president of the united states who had a lot to say on twitter about paul manafort. here's one sample tweet. wow what a tough sentence for paul manafort, who has represented ronald reagan, bob dole and many other top political people and campaigns. didn't know manafort was the head of the mob. what about comey and crooked hillary and all of the others? didn't we just have the supreme court litigate a case in which they said nothing donald trump tweets matters? >> you know, they said it. legally, i think what really comes into play here is manafort's motion is very cavalier in terms of its willingness to believe that juries can follow the instructions that they're given by judges and set aside their personal beliefs. and i'm going to tell you, after 25 years of trying cases in federal court, jurors do that remarkably well. in fact, in the eastern district of virginia, the judge was able to try one of the 9/11 cases without needing to move that.

very heavily publicized case. to another district. manafort makes this very superficial argument with very little law and no real reason to believe that a jury in alexandria can't do what they're told by the judge and make a decision based on the facts and the law. >> understood, sounds like a swing and potential miss. thank you. just ahead, when you come for her, you best be ready for the backlash. and the safey for "most parallel parallel parking job" goes to...

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virginia reopened its doors after its owner was forced to shut down for nearly two weeks by protesters who were upsit she asked white house press secretary sanders and her family to leave the premises. and then this harvard law professor who complained in an op-ed in the hill that because he goes on fox news to support trump, his former friends on martha's vineyard, quote, have shunning me and trying to ban me from their social life. those are just a few examples of folks on the left letting the trump administration and its supporters know that they disagree with the current administration and its policies and letting them know to their faces. and that is a tactic that congresswoman maxine water, democrat of california, openly embraced at a rally a couple of weeks ago. >> if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at a gasoline station, you get out and you

create a crowd. and you tell them they're not welcome anymore anywhere. >> while her call for nonviolence direct action has now given the congresswoman a permanent slot in the president's rally stump speeches complete with personal insults, her feisty call for civil disobedience has endured her even more to resistance to the progressives and millennials of the democratic party. however, the congresswoman's call for action did not please democratic party leadership. house democratic leader nancy pelosi tweeted, in the crucial months ahead, we must strive to make america beautiful again. trump's daily lack of civility has provoked responses that are predictable but unacceptable. we must conduct elections in a way that achieves unity from sea to shining sea. chuck schumer said this on the senate floor. >> no one should call for the

harassment of political opponents. that's not right. that's not american. >> while that response is not going over well with nearly 200 black women leaders and allies who wrote a letter directed at leader schumer and pelosi. they say, quote, dispaunraging failing to support congresswoman waters is an affront to her and black women across the country and telegraphs the message that the democratic party can ill affo afford, that it does not respect black women leadership. we call on the leadership to step up and publicly support congresswoman waters. we further believe she's owed an apology. joining us now is one of the people who signed that letter, melanie campbell. she's the chair of sisters lead sisters vote and president of the national coalition on black

civic participation. thank you so much for joining us. >> glad to be here, joy. >> tell me why the women -- yourself, more than 200 members of this letter, wrote that letter, and have you gotten a response from these leaders? >> first, it's gone up to 500. over 500 black women and others, allies, men and women from all races quite frankly. it wasn't just myself. it was a group of us who worked together, civil rights and social justice issues, who were outraged and very concerned when we saw congresswoman waters being attacked and even more concerned when the leadership did not stand with her. as she was speaking truth to power about what was she speaking about at the end of the day, about the 2,000, now 3,000 children who have been separated from their families. and so we knew as black women, black women of leadership, we needed to speak up and really challenge the leadership to

stand with congresswoman waters and get focused again on why she was speaking and why she put herself out there and so that's why we spoke up. >> and we -- the producers of the show reached out to nancy pelosi's office in response to the question about whether or not she would apologize to congresswoman waters. congresswoman maxine waters is a valuable leader whose passionate call should be heard without any threat to her safety. that's referring to some of the sort of negative and in some cases threatening sounding comments about her. and leader pelosi further added, trump has sullied the bully pulpit with disregard for the safety of others. he should stop his attacks on waters and all members of congress, the free press and americans who have the right and the responsibility to speak their minds. does that satisfy you? >> i think it was good for minority leader pelosi to make those comments. we do feel, however, that there needs to be more to it. we have not heard from senator

schumer. we also plan, joy, to engage the gop leadership. speaker paul ryan who's calling for her to apologize and many republicans who are also >> are we all going to be civil about 3,000 children being separated from their parents? that's really what this is about and what's going on at that border. >> there has been a companion online open letter to nancy pelosi that's been signed by 4,500 people. when you attack a black woman for speaking out about injustice and when you call for civility in the face of race. you invoke white supremacy power.

the people who put this letter together are multiple races. a letter that comes from people of multiple races. do you feel that the future of the resistance is in nonviolent direct action or is it more in electoral politics or in your view is it a mix? >> black women, we know we are the secret sauce to the democrat party winning elections. have been for decades. we know the power of our vote. we also know the power of black women's leadership. we are changing the power dynamic in this country. look at what happened in alabama in 2017 and black women are winning in places that are not majority black. and we know what happened for president ob ama because of blak women. so we know we have electoral power, but we have leadership

power. it is important we yutilize tha for the good. >> melony campbell, thank you so much for your time tonight. i appreciate it. >> much more ahead right here. stay with us. my mom's pain from

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we have a big night of live programming ahead here on msnbc. up next new reporting about the president's legal strategy and whether he will sit for an interview with special counsel robert mueller. rachel will be back here on monday, and i will be back here

in a few hours for a.m. joy. tomorrow morning a deep dive into the trump immigration policies. now it is time for the last word. good evening. >> good evening to you, my friend. it is a pleasure to see you on a friday night before we see you on a saturday morning. >> i'll probably just listen to you on my way home in the car and then i'll go home and go to bed. >> if you want to fall asleep easily, listening to me is the way. trade wars are easy to wain. that's what president trump tweeted before he started a trade war with canada, mexico and the european union. that trade war continues and now donald trump started another one. the world's two biggest economies are now engaged in a trade war with the first shot fired by the president just after midnight friday morning. donald trump imposed tariffs on $34 billion worth of chinese goods coming into t