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growing backlash against president trump's jab at the "me too" movement, the president mocking that movement while taking a new swipe at senator warren during a rally in montana. take a listen. >> let's say i'm debating po pocahontas. i promise you i will do this, you know those the kits they sell on television for $2? learn your heritage. we will take that little kit and say but we have to do it gently oig. because we're in the "me too" generation, so i have to be very gentle. and we will very gently take that kit and we will slowly toss it hoping it doesn't hit her and injure her arm. >> that her of course being pocahontas, that derogatory name that he places with elizabeth warren there. let's bring in former director of strategic communications for hillary clinton's campaign, analyst rick tyler, and joe
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watki watkins, former white house aide. what do you make of this first to you, rick, how this all played out with the president's audience there in montana? >> it is not unusual for a president or political figure to pick somebody as their political enemy. but this carries so absurdly too far. in citing the "me too" movement as a jab or poke in the eye, it tells you how the president undermines the issues that women have had and the reason the "me too" movement is so strong. i don't frankly know why he would do it. if you remember the women's rally in d.c. was larger than his inauguration. so he shouldn't be trying to alienate any women he should be trying to bring them back into the fold. >> your reaction, adrian. >> yeah, this is exactly why trump's support among women and that includes a lot of republican women is declining. only three in ten women in the
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united states of america who are registered voters approve of donald trump's job performance. that is a significant dip from election day. and this is why you are seeing a record number of women running for office. they know the only way to take their country back is roll up their sleeves and get the job done themselves. we have seen 26 out of 42 state legislative seats flip by women from republican to democrat since donald trump took office. so again, i guess mocking the e "me too" movement seems to be a preliminary strategy to him, but it is actually hurting him and the republicans and we will see this play out in the midterms. >> i want to get to this situation joe with you, because nbc reports that more ohio state wrestlers are saying that congressman jim jordan knew about sexual abuse by that team doctor when he weven when he wa assistant coach there. as for the congressman, he says i never knew about any type of abuse. if i did, i would have done something about it. and the president says he
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believes congressman jordan. so what do you think the chances are that it affects the congressman's standing in the republican party? >> certainly as long as this continues to evolve, it is not helpful to jordan. he has designs on being speaker one day and so this is a story that didn't help hoesn't help h. and it is unusual of course that an assistant coach who would have been as smart and engaged a coach as jordan i imagine would have been wouldn't have any knowledge of this. of course president trump is defending him and jordan himself of course is saying that this is really kind of a conspiracy against him especially given his strong questioning of rod rosenstein last week. but this is a bad story for him. and the longer it stays, the harder it will be for him. >> and i also want to look at new in the white house bill shine has joined as the white
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house deputy chief of staff for communications despite the accusations that he mishandled sexual harassment allegations at fox news. so from a pr perspective, how do you make sense of all of this? >> you don't. bill shine was head of one of the most corrupt cultures at fox news. he was let go because of that under roger ailes. and so i guess he has tremendous experience with a dysfunctional corrupt culture which he will probably find at the u.s., so maybe he will have experience with that, but he doesn't have experience of being a communications director for a political campaign and certainly not a president. so look, everything donald trump seems to touch just seems to, you know, i don't want to use a bad term here, go to you know where. but bill shine joining this -- remember he was firednd n ad ane will have a good job. so maybe some chance of reach
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determi redemption, but my hopes are pretty low. >> and i want to the turns a rising around family reunifications. ment federal judge has ordered all children separated from their parents to be reunited by july 26. and for those kids under five, by this tuesday. the department of health and human services said on thursday that dna testing is now being used. they are swabbing the inside of cheeks, trying to get proof of family relation and that will help speed up the process, but there are a lot of concerns about that method. the big scheme of things though, do you think democrats see this as a step in the right direction? >> i think that democrats see any sort of reunification with children and their families as a step in the right direction. i think it is horrible that trump even allowed this to happen in the first place and this was a self-imposed, self-inflicted policy by the administration. but to the point of dna testing, a lot of families don't want to do it because they are concerned that it will be kept in a federal database and used to
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their detriment down the road. so on the one hand parents of course will do anything to be reunited with their children. on the other hand, they don't necessarily want their dna held in a database, federal database, by the trump administration. because god knows what they will do with that data down the road. so again, it proves the point that the trump administration had no plan for reuniting children with their families when they instituted this policy. >> can i also get with you, joe, the updated count of the number of separated children in custody? it is coming from hhs. it is now saying that the number is nearly 3,000. is this another indication they don't know how many children still need to be reunified? last week the number was just over 2,000. then you have hhs secretary saying no, no, the number only includes children separated under the zero-tolerance policy, threw out a number of about 1,000. what do we know? >> what do we know. what do they know. they ought to be on ton of this, they ought to have a specific number, they should have a plan
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that is quicker and better. this is guis gutwrenching of co. for anybody who has kids, the thought of being separatesed from your small child for that long is just hard to fathom and hard to stomach. and so for many americans, whether democrat or republican, this is a very bad story and it needs to be fixed right away and government needs to be on top of it. hhs needs to get their story right. >> this is why a lot of people, thousands and thousand of americans last weekend across this country, 750 plus demonstrations, it was all about this issue. okay. guys, good to see you all. thank you so much. have a good weekend. coming up next, mission in north korea. what the secretary of state accomplished in two days of nuclear talks in pyongyang. is kim jung-un keeping his word? , wells fargo has supported community organizations like united way, non-profits like the american red cross,
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new this morning, secretary of state mike pompeo has landed in tokyo after leaving pyongyang without meeting kim jung-un. the president says north korea's due nu denuclearization as pompeo hammered with officials to hammer out the details. asia studies georgetown university professor is joining us. is that where the problem lies, the definition of
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denuclearization? how do we get to the same page on that? >> there is only one definition of denuclearization is that is if north korea gives up all of its capabilities both on the nuclear weapons side as well as the ballistic missile side. there is a lot of diplomatic speak about how they are trying to find a common definition, but there is only one definition. these weapons are a threat to the united states and u.s. allies and the whole point of the summit was to make us more safe. >> so from the exchanges so far, is there any indication that kim has offered to disarm? >> unfortunately not. i mean, statements that i saw by pompeo as he left poyongyang weren't encouraging at all. there was talk about more process, trying to get on the same page. but it didn't sound good at all. there was some talk about getting rid of this one missile
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engine test site which the president has already said that the north koreans have given up and they clearly haven't done that yet. so it doesn't look like they are ready to disarm at all. >> what about the president who said i didn't give up anything, but he didn't he cancel that major military drill that was scheduled with south korea for next month? >> yeah, and that is actually quite important. because going forward there is nothing wrong with continuing to negotiate with the north koreans in trying to get them to disarm, but we shouldn't be giving up unilaterally any of our alliance equities for that. because those alliance exercises help to keep the alliance strong, to deter north korea from being aggressive. so going forward we shouldn't be giving up anymore things like that for promises of more process by the north koreans. >> what about according to the report that there are talks of a sideline meeting between the president and kim jung-un during the u.n. general assembly in new york in september? what are the chances of that
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happening, what are the implications to all that? >> so i think the chances of it happening are good if there is some progress made on any of these interim denuclearization steps. it would be the first time that the north korean leader would ever go to the u.n. general assembly and it would be hard for me to imagine if that happened that president trump could resist the temptation to have another big media show, a meeting in new york, perhaps even at trump tower on 57th street in order to get the maximum coverage that he can out of another big event like that. >> so the meeting also that according to mike pompeo, says there is another meeting set for july 2we12th not between state department officials but defense department officials. what would you hope would be discussed in that meeting? >> i think that meeting is entirely about the return of the 200 sets of p.o.w. mia remains from the korean war which
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president trump said that he had already gotten but hasn't gotten yet. and i think the holdup there is that generally the north koreans want us to pay to get those remains back. and i'm sure from the u.s. perspective we don't want to pay for sets of remains that the north koreans have already promised us. >> all right. victor, always good to get your insights. thank you so much. the shift of michael cohen from potential target to potential witness. a reporter tells us what to expect next. alright guys let's go! let's do this. (♪) okay you gotta be kidding me. hold on, don't worry, there's another way. directions to the greek theater. (beep) ♪can i get a connection? ♪can i get can i get a connection?♪ ♪ohhh can i get a connection? ♪trying find the old me
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new insight into michael cope's decision to hire lanni davis as he faces prosecutors. davis is no stranger to national politics having worked as special counsel to president clinton when he was being investigated for possible campaign finance violations. joining me for "vanity fair" abigail tracy, whose article is "tell it early, tell it all, tell it yourself: can the clinton defense save michael cohen?" always good to see you. let's get into it. i know you've speaken a lot with lanni davis. explain the clinton defense strategy. >> the idea, tell it early, tell it all, tell it yourself.
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the idea is to preempt bad news by being truthful about wrongdoing you may have committed and getting ahead of the news cycle, something we haven't seen the trump white house do at all. that's why it's interesting that michael cohen tapped him to be his new lawyer. what i would expect moving forward is that we maybe start to see michael cohen tell his side of the story a bit more. especially with davis on board. >> davis says he deserves to tell his side of the story. should the president be concerned? >> i think so. i think over the last several weeks we've seen a shift in michael cohen's stance. a couple of months ago he was saying i would take a bullet for the president. now he's saying my first loyalty rests with my family and country second. i think what we're seeing is michael cohen sort of figured out that he has to look out for himself now. if the best way is by telling the truth, i think certainly
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that is what we can expect. >> talk about him possibly flipping against the president, but he's doing this pretty -- there's a lot of fanfare around all of this. so -- could this also be a signal to the president like, hey, i may do this, i know you haven't spoken to me about the possibility of a pardon, but this is what i want? >> uh-huh. yeah, i think there are two -- i've spoken with a number of legal experts, and it's split on it. it's split on if he is angling to get a deal with fdny or trying to get trump's attention and say, look, i need a pardon. i've been so loyal to you for so many years. i think one of the interesting things that one lawyer who highlighted to me recently was just the sheer bar that the fdny would have to clear to have the fbi raid michael cohen's hotel room and office especially as an attorney to the president of the united states is quite high. one would expect that they actually have -- already we've
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seen that they have some one million documents that they collected that don't fall under attorney-client privilege. i think that just in terms of what they would have had to go through and the hoops that they would have had to jump through to conduct those raids does likely suggest that the sdny has evidence or something of that nature that could be bad for michael cohen. it might be better for him to consider whether there's a deal on the table. obviously he hulalso hired guy tri patrillo who also ran in the sdny, as well. this could suggest that they might have a lot on him and flipping on the president could be a good route for him. >> okay, i know you'll be continuing to write on this which means we'll continue to see you. thank you very much. >> thank you. turbulence and turnover. coming up, what new turmoil within the trump administration portends for the future and why it's being called the worst-run white house of modern times.
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a very good morning to all of you. i'll alex witt in new york at msnbc world headquarters. we're approaching 9:00 a.m. in the east and 6:00 a.m. in the west. here's what's happening now -- face to face or not? new reporting about the possibility of an interview between the president and robert mueller. why a voluntary sit down is looking increasingly unlikely. who's in, who's out, and why it still matters. what to make of the latest turnover in the trump administration.
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new reporting about the migrant parents the government cannot find and what this means for the children waiting to be reunited with those parents. plus, what will they do? the rescue teams debating the next move for the 12 boys and their coach while carbon dioxide levels rise in that underground cave in thailand. we begin with a live picture of the white house. that's where the administration is coming up against some new hurdles in its latest attempt to reunite families separated at the southern border. government lawyers told a judge friday they are unable to locate the parents of 38 children under the age of 5, and they would only be able to reunite about half of approximately 100 children in this age group by the initial court-ordered deadline of july 10th. that is tuesday. the judge granted an extension only if lawyers could provide a master list of these young migrant children, as well as the whereabouts of their parents. this as critics are remaining skeptical of the reunification efforts. here's what democratic governor
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