that is it for me, i'm david gura. join me again tomorrow at 2:00 and 3:00 eastern time. follow me any time on twitter or instagram. the news continues right now with my friend and colleague frances rivera. >> thank you very much. enjoy the afternoon. hello, i'm frances rivera at msnbc world affordable care acts in new york. this comes hours after special counsel robert mueller team

announced sweeping new indictments of 12 russian intelligence agents. they are accused of hacking more than 300 individuals associated with the clinton campaign. dccc and dnc, beginning by at least march 2016. the president still plans to meet putin on monday despite calls from senate democrats and john mccain calling to cancel the helsinki summit. ahead of the big meeting, trump is spending the day golfing at his resort in scotland. where crowds of anti-trump demonstrators are also spending the day. want to bring in now aliza collins, capitol hill reporter for usa today and also kevin sar illy, chief washington correspondent for bloomberg and andrew desaid ario from the daily beast. great to have this gang with me as we jump in. kevin, i want to start with you. we knew from this indictment that the president knew about it, was briefed on it before this trip. but he said that when it comes to nato and theresa may, that

would be easy. vladimir putin may be the difficult part. how do you think the new indictments up the pressure on donald trump ahead of monday's meeting with putin? >> it is significantly casting a shadow over president trump's meeting in helsinki with vladimir putin. now u.k. prime minister was asked point blank about that meeting. she said that the president is heading into that meeting with a unified nato, even despite the bombshell interview that president trump gave to rupert mur dom the sun newspaper tabloid in u.k. now beyond that officials briefing reporters who are going to be in helsinki saying that in addition to election meddling with the president himself he will raise, he is also going to discuss weapon disarmament, ukraine and syria. >> and these indictments coming to the forefront. we've been talking about the plans for trump and putin to meet one-on-one with just interpreters.

no other aides. no other members of the cabinet there. here is what russian foreign minister sergey lavrov told the kremlin-backed network rt about the thinking behind that decision. >> there will be no other aids in the room. you will not be in the room? >> well, as things stand now, that is what the american side proposed and we are polite people so we agreed. >> because they are polite. they agree. why do you think the president requested time alone with vladimir putin? david? or andrew, pad on me. >> no worries. biggest risk is the fact that has seemed prone in the past to adopt the rhetoric of people he meets with. you saw the last time he met with vladimir putin. he said, well, the president of russia said he didn't do it so

what else can i say about that. when it comes to meddling. and then when he met with kim jong-un in singapore at his press conference he mentioned that the joint military exercises with in his words provocative. that is something that the pentagon has said is north korean propaganda and then you saw the president adopting that same rhetoric in the podium in singapore afterward. so the big risk is the president might get too wrapped up in what vladimir putin, a trained kgb intelligence officer might be saying here. and we saw that this morning when a group of top senate democrats wrote to the president urging him to have other american officials in the room with him so that we can get a more accurate representation of what is happening inside of the room. >> and of course there are questions about the consequences here when it comes to the dozen others russian military intelligence agents. aliza, you have top senate democrats sent a letter to the president urging him not to meet with putin alone in helsinki and urged him to press putin to turn over the 12 agents -- listed in

the indictment. when it comes to consequences, what is the likelihood of something happening to them. what will -- will we see? >> these democrats really have very little sway over president trump. it is always a pretty tense relationship. but they need to call out, they need to sort ever stake out their side and they have. as far as the people on the indictment, unless they come to the u.s., they have no hope of seeing a u.s. courtroom. and i can't imagine putin is going to send them over. we never know who will happen behind the closed doors and there -- there aren't any aide torz pressure the president. trump said he will bring it up on a list of a whole bunch of other things and we don't know how hard he will push and i just can't imagine putin is going to send some of his top guys to the u.s. to be prosecuted. >> there is an extradition and that remains to be seen. before these indictments, the advice was all about nato.

andrew, the topic for russians will be bad but watch as the president chastised our allies in nato this week. >> many countries owe us a tremendous amount of money for many years back. where they are delinquent as for as i'm concerned. it is an unfair burden on the united states. i think it is very sad when germany makes a massive oil and gas deal with russia where you're supposed to be guarding against russia and germany goes out and pays billions and billions of dollars from russia. we're supposed to protect you from russia and they are paying billion dollars toward russia and i think that is inappropriate. >> what is the thinking about alienating nato members. >> from the president's perspective, he will argue he's been able to secure $34 billion in additional funding through nato. this is a criticism that the president is lobbed as well as

former president barack obama and the bush administration that various nato countries had not fulfilled their commitment of spending 2% of military defense systems and contributing to nato. now the mechanism in which the president has argued to make this case has sparked criticism from congress, as well as from democrats. and even to some extent some republicans. but i would note that the u.k. prime minister, despite all of that tense back and forth on friday, said the president is heading in to this meeting with russia president vladimir putin with a unified nato. but quickly, i would just go back to the issue of president trump meeting one-on-one and not having initially anyone in the room with translators. you talk to intelligence community sources, they have concerns about that from a historical record perspective

about where the transcript would go and following that meeting they'll have delegations and then a joint press conference together and that is what we're hearing later that afternoon. >> certainly anxious to see what both of them -- both sides have to say about that outcome of the meeting. aliza collins and kevin sir illy and andrew thank you for your time. >> thank you. i want to bring in maxine waters, joining the call to prevent the meeting from taking place. talk about the letter being sent out and where do you think it will go from there? >> well, let me just say this, i'm appreciative that my democratic colleagues are sending a letter and they're asking him not to have the meeting and they're concerned about it. i think it is a little bit too little, too late. this president is out of control. he does not respect democrats or republicans. he's going to do what a-- whate wants to do and he'll have the meeting no matt who are does not like it. he's defied the congress of the

united states in so many different ways. his own cabinet members and personnel in the white house told him not to congratulate putin on his win. and he ignored that and he did it any way. rosenstein advised him about what was happening with mueller and the investigation and the fact that there were 12 indictments, he pretended he didn't even hear that. as a matter of fact, even after he was told that, he kept calling the investigation a witch hunt. so i expect nothing from him. i think whatever he tells us when he comes out will not be truthful. i think that he and putin will get together and they will decide what they will say and will try and make both of them look good. and so even though these letters are going out and people are asking him not to meet again, it is too little too late and this

president is out of control. he's going to do again whatever he wants to do. >> we've heard him make very clear this is a witch hunt in his eyes and tweeting the blame on president obama for not doing more. >> yes. >> for the russians interfering in our elections. you find that amusing. >> yes. it is amusing. because first of all, let me say this. if the president wrote out at some point and said the sky is fall -- is falling and it is obama's fault and everybody knows he likes to blame obama for any and everything that he can come up with us. and in addition to that, it is very clear that he's jealous of obama and his administration and the fact that he was able to do so well and so he'll keep blaming him over and over again, trying to undo the public policy such as the aca put in place by obama and so everybody kind of knows who he is at this point. he's defined himself pretty

well. i don't know why anybody takes him seriously. >> congressman, i have to ask you your perspective on a week that started with the supreme court justice nomination that turned into that contentious clash of nato breakfast and then the insults to theresa may. and then now this indictment ahead of this meeting with vladimir putin on monday. you're sitting back here watching this week, your perspective or take on the week that was. >> yeah, absolutely. and someone said just a few hours ago in a meeting that i was in here in oakland at the democratic party meeting, that every morning that we wake up there is something new, there is a scandal, and that he's wearing us out. that their exhausted. and i am saying to everybody, don't allow this president to wear you out. don't get so exhausted that you're not willing to stand up to him and fight him, push back on him and just do what a democracy demands that we do.

we have first amendment rights, we can protest and we should do that peacefully. but we should be constant in our pushback on him and we should call him out when he tells another lie. and we should not be afraid to -- too many of the members of congress are intimidated by him and the member of the republican party are intimidated by him but democrats have to show that they are serious about what they are unveiling about this president and helping to show the american public who he is and how dangerous he is and how he is the one that is undermining our democracy. >> we'll see how he is received when he returns from the trip after that meeting with vladimir putin. certainly watching as i'm sure you will too. maxine waters. thank you for your time. >> you're so welcome. thank you very much. i will tell you this, russia, if you are listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are mission.

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hope you're able to find the 30 # thousand e-mails that are missing. >> that was then candidate donald trump in july of 2016. speaking at a campaign rally in florida. what seems to be an invitation to the russians from trump, begs the question were they listening. according to robert mueller they were. a new 29-page indictment said that same day russian intelligence operatives made the first attempt to hack into servers used by hillary clinton personal office. meanwhile reporters get those questions ready because the white house confirms that trump will hold a joint news conference with russian president vladimir putin after the controversial one-on-one meeting. that is scheduled to happen in helsinki finland on monday at 9:30 a.m. eastern time. let's bring in our guest, security analyst ned price. former assistant attorney general during the obama administration david chris and also former adviser to former

president mikael savage, molly mccue. thank you for your time. and we'llup in with ned. there are so many thorough details in this 29-page indictment. we have names, we have dates and a time line. you're thoughts when you found out the russians made the first effort to hack into hillary clinton personal servers after then candidate trump made those remarks. >> frances, there is no such thing as a coincidence when it comes to intelligence operations. so the fact that on the very same day that president trump called for the russians, if they were listening, and apparently they were, to find the hillary clinton so-called missing e-mails. the fact they went out and started to do that suggests to me that russianss were spatially eager to follow through on trump request and eager to do anything they could to help the trump campaign. the lingering question in all of this and we have a taste for this in yesterday's indictment is how much coordination there was between members of the trump

campaign and its associates on the one hand and the russians on the other and in yesterday's indictment there was -- at least the suggestion that roger stone was corresponding with these russian cut outs but the indictment was clear u.s. persons were involved in this and so the lingering question in all of this is were there other americans, other americans associated with the trump campaign who were also corresponding with the russians in the effort to go after the e-mails and in the campaign to denegrade hillary clinton and advance donald trump. >> and that is the question of the questions. and we'll wait and see. all of us watching that. when it comes to a classic case of a sound bite coming back to haunt you. katy tur asked at that rally whether he had any qualms and he said he did not. so we play it and we're hearing it. how damaging is that clip from

2016? >> we'll have to await further developments to know for sure. it was just said, it may not be a coincidence. prosecutors don't include details like this in indictments for no reason. so it is there for a reason. at a minimum it is there as part of what we call a speaking indictment. a narrative telling the story of what happened. it also could be there in the form of laying the groundwork for future charges. and seen in that light, i would think it makes the president feel quite anxious about what he said. >> and when you have the blatant words, molly, from the president, and given your expertise, were the russians listening to him. >> i think there is some very interesting details in the indictment that came out yesterday. i think in two as pecks. scope and scale of the russians effort to attack the united states and the detail and granularity presented from mueller and his team in terms of

the visibility we now have into the attacks. just the detail alone of, yeah, we went through your key word searches and could prove that you were guccifer because you were writing these posts, that is incredible. so i think when you look at all of this and they're deliberately going through the russian pieces of this first -- all of this is leading toward and they had american counterparts that were working with them in various aspects, they're mentioned in both of the indictments against the russians and those will be named. and i think when we get to that scale, when we goat to those targets, that will be a very interesting thing for us to deal with. >> even after this indictment, the president making it very clear as we've heard time and time again this is a witch hunt in his words. but you also have a president on twitter today blaming the obama white house for not preventing these cyber attacks. so given your work, in the administration what is your take on that? >> well, it is terribly strained. the president -- president obama directed the intelligence

community to issue an assessment in january of 2017 just before president trump took office. in which the gru hacking was described and he was reporting out to the american people. bob mueller's indictment the other day is a follow-on to that, to accuse president obama of not having disclosed this or having concealed it seems to be very strained given the facts and the way president trump has tried to down play it since he took office. >> we know the dozen of the russian agents, we have their indictment again looking to see if there are any other americans involved, roger stone admitting he is likely the person described in the indictment as having regular contact with a russian hacker. but in a statement to nbc he called the communication benign. so what is the likelihood that roger stone was communicating with the russians and trump actually didn't know anything about that, ned? >> well, i think that is a lingering question, is how much

donald trump knew about all of this. not only roger stone communication with the russians which he's now confirmed will you dall-- but also other key a pivotal moments in the campaign including the trump tower meeting and that june 2016 meeting in trump tower, a floor below donald trump's office, the fact that donald trump was not aware of a meeting that his son, that his campaign manager and that other senior campaign officials were involved in, that to me really strained credulity and if it does come out that donald trump was witting of the trump tower meeting and also witting of roger stone correspondence with russian agents, that is incredibly damning for the report that we expect bob mueller to issue and the question will be will congress do anything about it? i don't have great faith that this current congress will but we'll see where we are when mueller puts forward his final report. >> and molly if you heard my

conversation with maxine waters, calling for along with other democrats and having this letter, calling for the 12 -- for putin to turn them over. what is the likelihood and the consequences? will we see them back here. what is the likelihood of that. >> there is zero chance that putin will turn over a dozen gru agents who are senior, who are connected to extremely senior members of the gru who conducted an attack on the united states of america. that will never happen. i think the question is what do we ask for and what are we communicating to the russians at this point? because it is not just about this past event, it is about ongoing attacks against our country. there was a news story yesterday about the fbi going to brief the state of maryland on basically russian investment into their election system that could compromise their election integrity. these are on going attacks and the russians are getting more aggressive of how they approach

our systems in terms of technical and recruiting people and using intelligence against us and right now we have a president who is pretending this doesn't matter. there are people calling this an act of war. i certainly agree on that front. but it is been almost two years and we have taken no action yet and we are way behind. >> and you have these two men going to be sitting face-to-face with each other for -- for a few hours and no one else in the room. so we'll see if -- how much of that is going to be part of the conversation and what comes out of it. ned price and david and molly, thank you. capital chaos. one day after the wildfire hearing for peter strzok, republicans grill lisa page behind closed doors. so how will it attempt gop attempts to undermine the mueller investigation. that is ahead. ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪

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friday's closed door hearing for former fbi lawyer lisa page was nowhere near as combative as that of peter strzok before. they say page was cooperative and answered questions that strzok would not about the investigation of hillary clinton e-mail and the trump campaign alleged connection to russia. democrats contacted by msnbc

would not discuss her testimony. strzok was grilled for ten hours about the text messages the two exchanged with republicans claiming there were clear evident of anti-trump bias at the fbi. >> let me be clear. unequivocally and under oath, not once in my 26 years of defending our nation did my personal opinions impact any official action i took. this is true for the clinton e-mail investigation. for the investigation into russian interference and for every other investigation i've worked on. i'm also proud of our work on the russian interference investigation. this investigation is not politically motivated. it is not a witch hunt. it is not a hoax. >> joining me now is adrianel rod. and also emma seigfried, republican strategist. great to you have here.

want to start with you, evan, and when you have the republican lawmakers grilling page, they seemed to be more receptive to her when this comes to new information that they provided. what information is that? >> i don't know. because it was a closed-door hearing and there wasn't a huge grilling because there weren't tv cameras and the base is not watching. i find it ironic with the peter strzok hearing, republicans on my side of the aisle tried to make it into this is a investigation and you're letting your bias get in the way but their bias was getting in the way to protect the president and it was disappointing to see louie gomer the version of forrest gump if he were evil go out and attack peter strzok that way. and while i didn't like peter strzok's body language and the way he was smirking and trying to mess with many members of the committee, i thought it was hin appropriate. there were some democrats inappropriate but not the level --i >> but you have anti-trump sentiment here and when it comes to that between page and between strzok, is there legitimate good

reason to be concerned? >> well i think there is legitimate reason to be concerned because you are seeing the text messages that -- that do show a buy as but we have to remember that peter strzok get losts in the news process, that he also said bad things about hillary clinton and about bernie sanders. so it wasn't just isolated to donald trump. we also have to keep in mind that peter strzok wanted to testify to clear his name. he's been under assault from the gop and from the far right for the past five to six months since the text mess ajz came out. he wanted to go out there and prove that he is very loyal to the fbi, that these messages by no means impacted the way he handled the investigation. so he had a lot to prove. i thought he did a great job. we were just talking in the green room before we both came on that these hearings become such a spectacle. especially -- look at the benghazi hearing and republicans raised money off the way they

questioned secretary clinton at the time and seeing the same thing with strzok and it is a show and on both sides too. >> and when it comes to the inspector general report here no political bias when it comes to the handling of the hillary clinton e-mails. so when it comes to the show and no cameras there, is this republicans playing politics? >> oh, everybody plays politics on capitol hill, i think don't it is exclusive to republicans but democrats do it too. but what sticks in my craw is somebody who worked in the federal justice system and everybody has biased. can they filter them out. that is the first question. and we have safeguards built in. there are people around every prosecutor and investigator to make sure they are having as clean and untainted of a case as possible and peter strzok did say that happened and it is almost like, you see the pro-trump defenders attacking strzok saying because he didn't like donald trump, thereafter this entire investigation is bunk. that is like saying a prosecutor

doesn't like the upon or terrorists therefore they can't prosecute them. it is garbage. >> and ahead of this meeting, this one-on-one that the president is going to have with vladimir putin, you have strzok saying this investigation is just helping the russians and will help putin. your take on that one. >> that is exactly right. this is such a spectacle and we are continuing to get away from the fact that ultimately it is congress's responsibility and the trump administration's responsibility to get to the bottom of what actually happened and then you have a ten or 11 hour hearing nationally televised by all of the networks and released by the cable -- by the cable networks over text messages. that were sent between two people having an extramarital affair who both work at the fbi. so again we are getting away from -- and this is again happening on both sides of the aisle. getting away from the actual task at hand which is trying to figure out what actually happened. >> and adrian is right. the director of national intelligence dan coats said the lights are blinking --

>> red lights. >> for 2018 and 2020. it is russia and china and iran. our enemies see us as weak because we are not responding to what happened in 2016. there will be more chaos and if nothing is done about it, shame on trump and the democrats in the house and shame on republicans. >> electronic warfare. thank you for being with me. >> thank you so much. now to pomp and protest. president trump not so welcome in the u.k. and it is tea time. but in the president's case he was 12 minutes late. a political strategist from across the pond weighs in on his royal visit with the queen. this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service.

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president trump is spending the weekend in scotland after a contentious week in brussels and britain. protests gathered around the perimeter of his golf resort chanting anti-trump messages. demonstrators taking to the streets in edinburg and the blimp last spotted in london following a major protest as activists let trump know he was not welcome. well all of this as president trump was stirring up controversy in an interview with british tabloid the sun. he was quoted criticizing prime minister theresa may over her handling of brexit, immigration and even endorsed the rival boris johnson. >> i'm not pitting one against the other. i'm just saying i think he would be a great prime minister. i think he's got what it takes and i think he's got the right attitude to be a great prime

minister. >> at a press conference with may, trump walked back his comments. >> i didn't criticize the prime minister. i have a lot of respect for the prime minister. and unfortunately there was a story done which was -- was generally fine but it didn't put in what i said about the prime minister. and i said tremendous things. and fortunately we tend to record stories now so we have it for you are enjoyment be with you record when we deal with reporters. it is called fake news. >> joining me now is political strategist matthew mcgregor. great to have you with me. when we first reported donald trump went to the u.k., they were expecting about 50,000 protesters. that number swelled to almost a quarter million. what exactly is it in your thoughts about donald trump that makes him so unpopular in the u.k.? >> well he's really done a lot to bring the country together after a couple of years of real divisiveness in the same way the

england soccer run has put a smile on people's face. donald trump has brought people together in opposition to his policy and bemusement at his behavior. it is the behavior in the way he conducts himself that throws a lot of british people off. he kind of looks disheveled he said things untrue and he attacks the prime minister while in the country, whether you are a liberal or conservative, that is a strange thing for a foreign leader to do. so it is the kind of bemusement that brought people together in opposition to his visit. >> the other comments, when it comes to immigration there, especially in europe, losing their culture given that. is there something that the president could have done -- we see this trip as compared to other u.s. presidents when they've come. and we see how choreographed it was as far as keeping him away from the public. we know he wasn't in london proper specifically. given these protests. was there anything more that the

president could have done as far as bridging this gap with the people of the u.k.? >> i think he could have started by not using those kind of white nationalist terms that he did in his interview. people pick up on that and they see that and that immigration is a tough debate in this country as well. and people don't appreciate that kind of interference. so i think it is really a cord to who he is as a politician. he couldn't come in here with a charm offensive in a way that would have erad rate cait-- era we've seen. the trip is long delayed because of people's opposition from the campaign on ward. so i think he's always going to have been in a real tough spot and keeping him out of london and keeping him away from the protests in cities across the country was a smart thing for the president's team to have done. >> we've had -- heard president trump talk about his relationship with theresa may

and categorizing it as special and then we have again the audio of that interview that came out literally as he's with her. how is that going to affect the alliance here when it comes to this dynamic? >> well, i think firstly, british people and the government in this country have a special affinity for the united states and i think that will last beyond president trump's term in office. but i also think that theresa may is really in a tough spot with brexit coming down the pike. she needs a trade deal with as many countries as possible to make up for the fact we're moving away from the trade block that we're in right now. and so she can't really say much about the -- thrown her way by president trump and she needs him after brexit. >> and given his popularity,

could his criticism there on of theresa may work for her politically? >> i think if she was able to -- willing to stand up and be tough with president trump, it would help. people do appreciate a leader who stands up for the country. and i think on the trade deal, people in this country are already nervous about what the terms of that trade deal might be, polls show people are nervous about food standards dropping and about environmental standards dropping and so she's got a tough sale to make on that and a good -- a good start would have been to have stood up to donald trump. she's not really that kind of person. she prefers to -- the quiet diplomacy and doesn't really grandstand in the way that he obviously does. >> we know the chaos brought on by brexit. what does president trump have to gain as far as weighing in on the brexit and -- or slamming theresa may in the process of her approach to it? >> i think he partly just enjoys doing that. that is the perception in this

country, that he enjoys the chaos, he enjoys throwing his weight around. but i also think that is just his world view. he backed brexit before it took place. he's very close to people on the hard right of politics in this country like nigel feradge and that is his opinion. he thinks that the weakening of the european union with britain leaving is a good thing. >> matthew mcgregor, thank you for the perspective. we appreciate it. >> thank you. still ahead, the blood of emmett till, it is a murder changing the course of the civil rights movement, after the break i speak with the author whose work may have led to the reopening of the case at a time when tensions have reached a boiling point in our country. to help prevent severe asthma attacks, and lower oral steroid use. about 50% of people with severe asthma have too many cells called eosinophils in their lungs. fasenra™ is designed to work with the body

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movement. decades after his slaying, the justice department will reopen the investigation based on new information. well that new information could be from a book titled "the blood of emmett till" emmet till" published last year, in which the woman at the center of the case lied about her encounter with till. with me is the author, timothy tyson, research scholar at duke university and gloria brown marshall, associate professor at jay college. timothy, first to you, do you believe the new evidence is, in fact, from your book? and tell us about the interview. >> the most important thing to remember about emmett till case is not the crucifixion of a small black child in mississippi in 1955, but the resurrection that his mother and her allies in chicago were able to ring from this, this ongoing movement that they so transformed with their energy and courage and

brilliance. and, you know, the virtue or lack thereof of caroline bryant seems a matter -- minor matter to a historian, but i understand people's interest in it. >> can you fill us in on the details, the circumstances of what led up to you getting this information, this new information? >> i got a call from a nice woman in raleigh, who said she liked my previous book and had given it to her mother-in-law and they'd like to have a coffee with me, and said you might know my mother-in-law, she's caroline bryant. i know she hadn't given an interview since 1955, no scholar, no journalist had been able to talk to her, so i did feel obliged to do so, and, of course, i just got sucked into the story. >> gloria, you're hearing this

and you talk about the historical context of this death and the impact on the civil rights movement, so how significant is this now, the justice department reopening this case based on this new information that came to him there, and the dynamic that it will bring. >> well, two things. first, caroline bryant's lie is significant. too many black lives have been lost because of lies of white women like caroline bryant when we know that nothing physical happened in that store. you know, people in the black community knew it was a lie. secondly, we saw that the criminal justice system was not going to be there for people in the african-american community. the prosecutors, sheriffs, all these people were there to support the lie, and the acquittal of these two men who kidnapped and murdered emmett till, the 14 year old, but the last part that's so important is it's symbolic of what's still happening in this country and that's why reopening the case also reopens the discussion about the rights of black people

and the criminal justice system. >> given that, you have, you know, a larger scope of this, too, timothy. when you have actually in your words have said that reopening this case is a political show. what do you think is the administration's objective when it comes to that? >> i fully supported the investigation, i shared all my research materials with the fbi happily, and if there were justice for emmett till available, i would be all for that. and i certainly don't mean to diminish the importance of the case. i've devoted eight years to writing a book about it, but, you know, i do think, however, i'm very suspicious of the timing of this, and i think that for jeffrey beauregard sessions iii and donald trump to appear as advocates of racial justice and civil rights, when they are engaged in keeping children of color in cages along the border and a relentless attack on

voting rights, the men who slaughtered emmett till like a hog said they did so to take a stand against black voting and public school integration, and this administration is against both of those things. >> gloria, you are -- >> i think it's rich with irony. >> gloria, you are nodding your head enthusiastically when it comes to this, the issue of justice and then what timothy was just talking about there, as the political show as he called it. >> think about it, it's so much easier just to raise emmett till and have a show of some type of investigation now, but as pointed out by the author, we now have someone in office in the justice department turning back voting rights and turning back the criminal justice system's protections for black communities and other communities of color, so, unfortunately, i'm concerned they are going to say somebody black did it. we don't know what these people may say. we don't believe in the

sincerity of what we consider the justice department, but the last part i want you to understand, he was 14 years old, and these ideas that a 14 year old could be beaten, crushed, thrown into a river, this happened over 4,000 times in this country. lynchings, over 4,000 lynchings. one person has ever been prosecuted. we have to understand the criminal justice system then and now is being run by a president and u.s. attorney general who we believe may not have the sincere interests at heart. >> timothy tyson and gloria browne-marshall, thank you for the perspective. >> thank you. new this afternoon, memorabilia already on shelves ahead of the summit in helsinki, match boxes with the head of president trump and president putin. now that robert mueller indicted 12 russian intelligence officers, will the president confront putin on that? across the country, we walk.

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good to be with you this afternoon, i'm frances rivera at msnbc world headquarters in new york. we begin this hour with president trump spending the weekend in scotland ahead of his summit with vladimir putin. the two leaders will appear together at a press conference in helsinki monday morning at 9:30 eastern time. this with a backdrop of special counsel robert mueller's indictment of 12 russian intelligence agents. these are the first charges by mueller to directly allege russian government officials sought to influence the 2016 u.s. presidential election. today top senate leaders

released a letter calling on trump to not meet with putin alone, something the president has made clear he would like to do. for more, let's break it down with washington correspondent for "the new york times" and msnbc contributor charlie savage, also politics reporter betsy woodruff and staff writer for the atlantic natasha bertrand. natasha, you're with me, so we'll start with you. senate democrats made it clear they don't want the meeting to happen with the president alone without anybody else, no aides, no cabinet, meanwhile, sergey lavrov who talked to larry king about that interview on russia today, a kremlin-backed network, and here's what lavrov had to say. let's listen to that. >> well, as things stand now, that's what the american side proposed, and we are polite people, so we agreed. >> they are polite people, so they agreed. this has got to be more than etiquette and the politeness of please and thank you when it comes to that.