trump to not meet with putin alone, something the president has made clear he would like to do. for more, let's break it down with washington correspondent for "the new york times" and msnbc contributor charlie savage, also politics reporter betsy woodruff and staff writer for the atlantic natasha bertrand. natasha, you're with me, so we'll start with you. senate democrats made it clear they don't want the meeting to happen with the president alone without anybody else, no aides, no cabinet, meanwhile, sergey lavrov who talked to larry king about that interview on russia today, a kremlin-backed network, and here's what lavrov had to say. let's listen to that. >> well, as things stand now, that's what the american side proposed, and we are polite people, so we agreed. >> they are polite people, so they agreed. this has got to be more than etiquette and the politeness of please and thank you when it comes to that. >> of course. what we're seeing now is the

kremlin is echoing donald trump's talking points saying this is all fake news, this is something that never happened, why does this witch hunt continue, et cetera, et cetera and the president is going into the meeting on monday wondering why the fbi didn't look at the dnc server more, not blaming president obama for the hacks that occurred during the election instead of blaming the president of russia himself, so we see he's walking into this meeting already prepared, essentially, to make concessions, whether that is potentially allowing the russians to take crimea, recognize crimea as russia, or cede syria to russia, making that their spear of influence in exchange for kicking iran out of the country. so there's a lot here and senate democrats have every right to be concerned that the president is going to go into this with a former kgb agent who's well prepared, knows exactly what he wants, and the president has already expressed his weariness

over the conclusions of our intelligence community and robert mueller. >> we'll see when it comes to that. you have the president who said he'd bring up election meddling with putin. in fact, here's what he said about that. >> he may deny it. all i can do is say did you and don't do it again. i don't think he'll have any gee, i did it, i did it, you got me. >> we have to keep in mind, betsy, when he said all of this, he already knew about these indictments. he was informed of the indictments before this trip, so what do you make of the comments there when we string them back-to-back? >> you know, it's fascinating that the president always seems in some ways to hint that he's giving putin the benefit of the doubt when it comes to russian meddling in the 2016 election campaigns, and trump has been talking about putin in this way ever since he was inaugurated as president, in fact, going back to during the campaign he completely pooh-poohed, sort of undermined the view that the russians were responsible for meddling, instead pushing

alternative narratives and even today on twitter he's pushed the idea because the dnc didn't turn over their server to the fbi, somehow that has anything to do with the fact the russians have been indicted for meddling. so even as facts come forward, even as we see these indictments and the president's own justice department say that russian military officials or military intelligence officials were responsible for attacking the united states elections, the president still seems to be open to the possibility that it might not actually be the case and still seems to be framing this in terms of he's going to ask putin what putin thinks happened rather than he's going to tell putin that p putin needs to change his behavior. >> looking back and thinking back throughout the week and remember what the president said, you know, when it comes to nato, comes to may, the tough part. the easy part may be this meeting with vladimir putin. charlie, given that, and you have this indictment, 12 russian intelligence agents, how will this change the tone of the summit, this face-to-face with putin? >> well, the fact that president trump is going full speed ahead

with this summit, hasn't cancelled it, knowing that these indictments were coming, was just sticking with his narrative that it's all fake news, witch hunt, and there's nothing there tells us he's determined to plow through this and sort of bluff his way out of it, which he's been doing, obviously, for the last year. that's what he's getting at. i agree with some of the earlier commentary about what may come out of this. the theatrics and the spectacle of going forward and sitting face-to-face against the backdrop of these indictments is all, you know, very suspicious, but the question is what in the real world may be affected by this summit. i think the crimea facts on the ground are the russians are there and it's going to be very hard to dislodge them. the place where something could really change that we should be watching is, in fact, syria. i was just in syria. it's pretty clear the sdf, the kurdish-led group we and others in the military coalition have been helping as they ousted isis are in a precarious position as

isis is almost gone now. the question is what's going to happen next in the syrian civil war. russia very much would like for assad to take back over the entire country and trump is already signaling he's ready to get out and if that happens they are going to get crushed or make some kind of a deal to come back under assad's authority. it's clear they are thinking about that, too, even as turkey is coming down from their north and menacing them, as well. that's the place where this could really matter, this summit coming up. >> we don't know. there's no set agenda. it's up in the air what they are going to tackle, what order, what's going to be the priority, especially given these indictments. so you have this, the timing of it. we heard time and time again there's no coincidences when it comes to this mueller investigation, looking into it, but talk about the timing of that when it comes to that careful calculation by robert mueller in coming out with these days before? >> right. look, former federal prosecutors i spoke to are of two minds about this. some say this was clearly a very

strong signal that mueller and the doj were sending to the president ahead of this very important summit with putin, and i think rod rosenstein might have eluded to that, because he was asked about the timing during the press conference yesterday and he said, well, it's very important that the president knows this now so that he can make important decisions for our country. and that was a very, very poignant line, because, of course, in three days time, two days time, trump is going to be meeting face to face with putin and it's important for the united states and whether or not they are going to cede these policy issues to the russians in terms of being a global power. so whether or not, you know, and other former prosecutors i speak to say that, no, this is just the timing of, you know, mueller's work and he's going to drop the indictments when he drops them and he's not paying attention to anything political. damned if he does, damned if he doesn't, because if he waited until after the meeting, for example, he would have been accused of burying it and not

allowing the public to know about this prior to the meeting, so it's unclear. obviously, we can't see into mueller's head and there's a great deal of secrecy surrounding the investigation, but definitely something to be said about the fact this came out three days before the big meeting. >> so much to weave in here when it comes to the summit, how vladimir putin is going to come and tackle it and speaking with donald trump alone, you have the indictments, but there's also nato. betsy, to you. you have a president with a rocky meeting with nato leaders from the get go, even before it started, a u.s. official tells nbc news the pentagon went into damage control, so how does that come into play with vladimir putin meeting with the president? >> tension within nato is music to putin's ears. one of his top priorities is seeing that crucial transatlantic alliance be undermined, and that's what we saw unfold over the course of the president's visit to the nato summit. in fact, it all kind of culminated in this very unusual closure of the summit when president trump said publicly

he'd gotten these significant concessions from nato leaders, that they agreed to increase defense spending and he'd been able to walk away with this big win and that comment was subsequently followed up by and countered by emmanuel macron who said it wasn't true, that rather nato countries were on the same track they'd been on, maintaining the same commitments they kept about the percentages of their gdps that would go towards defense spending. so as the summit closed, we saw this rift exist through basic facts between the united states and france, one of the most important nato members. so that's something that putin would be delighted to see and likely the more friction there is within nato, the higher ground putin is going to feel like he's on going into the helsinki summit. keep checking there, france, germany also, and then with theresa may. very, very clear with the president there with those insults, then you've got this

whole thing with the "sun," after that interview which he criticized theresa may on audio, which he denied, calling it fake news, even though we've all heard it. charlie, how damaging is this view of an american presidency abroad? we've seen the protests. we've seen the baby trump balloon, but talk about the damage there. >> well, the question is whether our allies abroad see president trump as synonymous with america or see him as someone who's in charge of america right now through this very freak 2016 election where he lost the popular vote with all the comey stuff and russia stuff and separate the united states and its history and long-term status as an ally to the west from the current difficulties. a lot of the protesters who were being interviewed in scotland seem to be separating the united states from president trump and saying we're actually standing with people who aren't happy about what he's saying about nato and all the rest.

so, that's the sort of ambiguity and the complexity of the situation right now. >> we look at video, the protests continuing in the uk today, betsy. the white house seems like they haven't really shown any concern over it. we know ahead of it they specifically, secret service, had president trump not going in london proper given what was expected and i'm sure the numbers were more than expected there. they are staying silent. should they? >> i think it makes sense probably for the white house not to particularly engage with protesters. this is the way that white houses generally act when it comes to these type of large sort of surges in anti-white house sentiment and there's not much that the white house would be able to say about the fact that so many brits are pushing back against them. in fact, one thing that's kind of funny is trump's approval ratings in europe and particularly the uk are i believe the lowest of any american president in recent memory and that, of course, makes his relationship with theresa may especially interesting. remember he gave that

controversial interview to the right-wing tabloid to "the sun" late last week where he ripped into theresa may, suggested he would withhold a trade deal between the united states and the uk if she didn't handle brexit the way he wanted to and politically that makes it tricky to divine because his approval ratings are so low. in some way support from trump could be a kiss of death. >> exactly. all right, charlie savidge, betsy woodruff, natasha bertrand, thank you for joining me. president trump is blaming the latest russian indictments on president obama. after the break, reaction from a former policy adviser during the obama administration. >> plus, who was the american mentioned in the indictment? how about this guy, the president's friend, roger stone seems to think it was him. how he's defending his conversation with russian hackers. noticing what most will never notice. it's what you do. when the thing you're making... isn't a thing.

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the russians came after us, they are coming after us, and they will come after us. the russians attacked us. it was warfare, computer warfare. >> strong words there from former congresswoman earlier on msnbc. she's responding to special council robert mueller's new indictment of 12 russian intelligence officials accused of interfering in the 2016 election. the 29-page document providing many details including names, cyber techniques used, and also timelines and dates. it also points out that the first attempt to hack into servers used by hillary clinton's office came on the

same day then-candidate trump said this. >> i will tell you this, russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. >> these details come as president trump gets set for his highly anticipated summit with russian president vladimir putin. the white house confirms the two men will hold a joint news conference monday morning at 9:30 eastern. with me to talk about it all, former cia officer davis priest, former officer glenn kershner and michael carpenter. appreciate your time. as we jump into this, beginning with david, so much was detailed in the 29-page indictment. your impression when you heard the russian operatives made the attempt to hack hillary clinton's servers on the same day president trump made the comments? >> tells me there was exquisite

intelligence coming into this, which doesn't surprise me, because we have truly world class analysts working on this from the cyber perspective, but the fact mueller put it into the indictment to show exactly what happened and to put in the language when it happened, show that he wasn't just interested in setting up for a potential prosecution of these individuals in russia, because that ain't never going to happen. it was about setting the stage for future indictments and putting out there an air-tight case of what happened, when, and with whom on the american side, of course, the with whom we're still waiting to hear that. >> glenn, you have that 2016 rally, our own katy tur asking president trump whether he had any qualms, i remember that specifically, watching it live when it happened. he said no. how incriminating is that clip from 2016, would you say? >> you know, it's a good question. let me just bring a career prosecutor's perspective to this, because words matter, but words in and of themselves are typically not criminal.

with a couple of exceptions, communicating a threat, the words can be criminal, but here it's really all about what donald trump the candidate knew, what his intent was, and what the context was, because what he said, listen, russia, if you're listening, i urge you to find the 30,000 missing e-mails. if he knew that russia was involved in nefarious attempts to interfere with our elections, at the moment he uttered those words, those words can be powerfully incriminating statements. they could be co-conspirator statements. if he didn't know and he is able to say, look, this was just election campaign hyperbole, then he might have a little bit of wiggle room on that, but frances, i have to tell you, you don't look at one piece of evidence in isolation when you're putting together a criminal investigation or prosecution. you look at all pieces of the puzzle. so when you look at the other things that president trump said and did, you know, the picture does emerge that those

statements were pretty damning. >> michael, given your experience, how much credence would the russians have on those words? would they really listen to him about the e-mails? >> well, i think they probably had some idea what they wanted to go after in advance, but it is curious they sent the spear phishing e-mails the same day. the russians were determined from long before july of 2016, and so they had a game plan and they executed it and improvised as they went along and saw opportunities when they thought they could nail something down and try to exploit it, they did. >> david, we've heard witch hunt over and over and over again. just yesterday we heard it from president trump. we're talking about 32 indictments. five guilty pleas. two jailed. is it time for the president to find a new word here? >> we keep hearing it, even in our commentary. we're talking about the chaos in the election and the intelligence assessment that was put out talked about the russian

attempts to interfere in the election. we're past that. this is cyber warfare. this is an attack on america's institutions in a different way than a pearl harbor or 9/11, but that is what we're talking about. we're talking about an attack. and such that it's an attack, we've got some interesting things coming out of the president when he tweets out that, well, this happened on obama's watch. so it's not my problem. essentially what he's saying is that george w. bush was handling 9/11 and when obama came into office, he should have stopped the effort to go after bin laden because it had happened back on bush's watch. that's insane from a foreign policy and national security perspective and not the kind of thing you expect the president to do after an attack on the united states of america. >> right. well, you also have, you know, democrats who are calling on president trump to -- when it comes to this demand these 12 russians be turned over. what's the likelihood of that when you see this?

what are the consequences here, glenn? >> so, because we have no extradition treaty with russia, i think the odds that we're ever going to see any of these 12 russian military operatives in a u.s. courtroom are fairly slim, but i think what the president can and what any american president should do is really just say one thing to president putin when he meets with him, which is, listen, you have within your borders right now 12 military operatives who stand indicted in a u.s. court, and, you know, we are demanding that you provide them to us, that we can guarantee they will get a fair trial, they will have zealous representation by competent defense attorneys and if president putin continues to give them safe harbor inside the borders of russia, i think our american president should turn around, get on air force one, come home, and do the hard work in favor of our country. >> michael, when it comes to these russians, these 12, they

know about it, what's happening on that front, especially with vladimir putin knowing? what's the concern for him ahead of these meetings? >> no concern. look, these 12 individuals, they know they'll never be sold to the united states. they know they are safe. they are going to probably spend the rest of their careers in russia. i believe president trump should not expect to get anything out of this in terms of his conversation with putin. what he needs to do is put some -- impose some costs on russia for having perpetrated this action and we know today the trump administration has been reluctant to impose the sanctions that were mandated by the countering america's adversaries through sanctions act passed last august with overwhelming majorities in both the house and senate. they have only done a tiny fraction of what is called for in law, and so what trump needs to do is regardless of what he says to putin in the meeting, it doesn't matter. putin is going to brush it aside. he needs to impose costs. this was a cyberattack on the united states of america, and it

deserves a robust response. >> now we're looking to see if any american involvement will be there as far as an american citizen indicted. we heard from roger stone, maybe that is me as far as the description and indictment having regular contact with the russian hackers, but in a statement to nbc he called the communication benign, so what is the odds having roger stone communicating with the russians and president trump with no knowledge of that? >> yeah, the possibility is there, the probability is low. listen, i had the opportunity to brief bob mueller for over a year giving him his daily intelligence report and got to see the way he thought and put intelligence into action. nothing in this mistake is a report. if he's not naming roger storm or wikileaks or others, there's a reason there. he's allowing it to sit a little bit longer to allow people like roger stone to keep coming out and saying things that are not going to help him in the long run. to me it's a brilliant strategy. try to get more information out even as you probably have a

pretty tight case built. >> all right, glenn, i'm going to ask you, never have i actually mentioned the f.u. reference here on a newscast, but in that case you have a white house staffer quoted as calling the timing of the indictment a big f.u. from mueller. what does it tell you about the stage of the investigation? >> you know, i don't think that's a fair characterization. i also worked with and for bob mueller when he was chief of the homicide section at the u.s. attorney's office here in the district of columbia, and i really don't think bob mueller is impacted by timing concerns. i think he did his work methodically. i think it was time to drop another indictment, because he was at the end of that phase of the investigation, and these long investigations, much as when we continue rico investigations, it's not unusual to return indictments as a series of indictments, batching together related defendants or related offenses, but i really don't think the timing of it is

what people are suggesting it is. i think the only timing concern robert mueller will have is he will do nothing to interfere with the midterm elections, whether his next move is a report to congress or yet another indictment, i think we can all be confident that he will be very careful not to time it so that it impacts the midterm elections. >> great insight, gentlemen. david, glenn, and michael, thank you so much for being with me. >> thank you. london's calling and it's not happy. from his brash comments about theresa may to the meeting with the queen, the british reaction next. doug, doug!

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to do it, but she didn't listen to me. >> what did you say? >> she didn't listen. no, i told her how to do it. that will be up to her to say, but i told her how to do it. she wanted to go a different route. >> you would be prepared to walk away if they didn't give you the right terms? >> oh, absolutely. i think what's going on is very unfortunate. >> at a press conference friday with the prime minister, trump walked back his comments. >> i didn't criticize the prime minister. i have a lot of respect for the prime minister, and, unfortunately, there was a story that was done, which was, you know, generally fine, but it didn't put in what i said about the prime minister. and i said tremendous things, and fortunately, we tend to record stories now, so we have it for your enjoyment if you'd like it, but we record when we deal with reporters. it's called fake news. >> i want to bring in senior policy expert and professor of

international politics studies at richmond university in london. from the insults to theresa may, to the baby trump balloon and also keeping the queen waiting. what is the biggest takeaway from trump's visit to the uk? >> well, good evening. i guess the best that could be said quite frankly is the president came, he saw, and now he's almost leaving, quite frankly. this has been a longstanding visit that has been planned for much of the trump administration. theresa may, obviously, went over there very, very quickly and extended the visit, but quite frankly, many british individuals were not happy that he was coming. you saw the protests on the streets of london, and very interestingly, this president uniquely was kept removed from the streets of london, as i'm sure you're aware. he was helicoptered around from one se kecure location to anoth. wherever the helicopter could land, they held events. it was a unique way of getting

an american president around the country and speaks volumes to the level of protest which was greeting him here in the united kingdom. >> why do you think there wasn't more of an attempt for the president to win over the british public, given the united kingdom is one of our closest allies? >> yeah, it's quite remarkable. didn't seem to be any great sense of attempting to engage on any level, quite frankly. it must be said, i don't think that those hundreds of thousands of people on the streets would necessarily have wanted to listen to anything donald trump said, but if you listen to the remarks he's made, the tone he's struck, certainly, i think it's known apparently he's made to feel unwelcome in this country, but, frankly, that was a given long before he arrived. when you couple the remarks in "the sun" newspaper, the tone at the press conference, it certainly isn't particularly a diplomatic note to have struck on his first visit here as president. >> well, given that, do you think that's threatening this

alliance, that it's putting that at risk of falling apart even more so? >> i think the important thing to remember here is that europeans in general have long feared a split with the united states going back to the very beginning of the special relationship and the atlantic alliance, and we here in england, i think, all too often fixate on the end of the special relationship. seems every time there's a new president, we worry that president is not going to have an alliance with britain. it happened when barack obama became president. it happened when bill clinton became president, and i dare say whoever succeeds donald trump, the same worries will raise them once more. what we do have here, obviously, is a president who's going to do things in a unique fashion and we're still learning how to deal with that, i think. >> we know that all too well on this side of the pond. james boys, thank you very much. after thursday's hearing for fbi turning into a spectacle.

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republicans on the house judiciary committee learned new information during their closed door hearing with lisa page. her session with lawmakers not nearly as contentious as the grilling strzok got the day before. several republicans praising her for being more forthcoming on strzok about questions about clinton and the russian investigations. strzok investigated clinton's e-mails and was part of

mueller's team before techs were discovered, he was forced to defend himself against accusations of bias. >> let me be clear. unequivocally and under oath, not once in my 26 years of defending our nation did my personal opinions impact any official action i took. this is true for the clinton e-mail investigation. for the investigation into russian interference, and for every other investigation i've worked on. i'm also proud of our work on the russian interference investigation. this investigation is not politically motivated. it is not a witch hunt. it is not a hoax. >> well, some of the most contentious questions coming from south carolina republican trey gowdy, who's in favor of bringing the mueller investigation to a close. >> i've talked to fbi agents around the country. you've embarrassed them. you've embarrassed yourself. and i can't help but wonder when i see you looking there with a

little smirk, how many times did you look so innocent into your wife's eye and lie to her about -- >> mr. chairman, this is outrageous! >> credibility of a witness -- >> shame on you. >> the fact that you would question whether or not that was the sort of look i would engage with in a family member who i've acknowledged hurting goes more to a discussion about your character and what you stand for. >> all right, during another exchange, shaming strzok about his extramarital affair with page. >> you're eight days into your russian collusion with the trump campaign investigation, and you got another text from your colleague, lisa page. trump's not ever going to become president, right? right? and you replied, no, no, he's not. we'll stop it. by the time you promised to stop him from becoming president on

august the 8th, how many interviews had you conducted? >> mr. gowdy, so two answers to that. one, with regard to how many interviews had or had not been conducted, i have been directed by counsel for the fbi not to answer that question. i don't recall writing that text. what i can tell you is, that text in no way suggested that i or the fbi would take any action to influence the candidacy -- >> agent strzok, that is a fantastic answer to a question nobody asked. >> joining me now, democratic strategist and former exec tiut director of the new york state party and susan del percio. great to see you both and have you with me. susan, inspector general's report saying no bias when it comes to hillary clinton's e-mail. how much of this in your thoughts is playing politics? >> all of it. if you watch those hearings, i will not be surprised that if

congress' ratings went from the teens, favorable rating, down into the single digits. it would not be shocking. it was a horrible display of our legislature. the republicans treated him poorly. the democrats made their speeches, but what was unbelievable is strzok is not a sympathetic character on the get the go for a whole host of reasons. somehow the republicans made him seem somewhat even sympathetic to the public because of the questions they asked, because of the inappropriateness, but it was a spectacle and the congress, they have shown that they have no ability to run a proper investigation, and that's why we have to look to the senate. >> strzok said he wanted to testify when it comes to this. who did that help, did it help him? did it help the fbi here? >> well, you know, i think it helped him in a sense, because -- and i know some members of congress commented on what they thought was his hubris in the whole thing, but i think it helped him because he was

defiant and a lot of folks like that. democrats responded well to it, mostly because of the kinds of questions that came from members of congress, particularly the two you played about his interactions with his wife and his -- the extramarital affair. so i think people are looking at that and saying how hypocritical are these members of congress, and that's why i agree with susan, that their poll numbers have to be in the single digits right now. i think it helped him a little bit, but i think what helped him more is the fact 12 russians were indicted in this mueller investigation. >> in the scheme of things, like you said, 12 russians were indicted, there's going to be more from the mueller investigation. this is one player that, frankly, is a small fish when you look at it. comey, if there's hearings or something, that would be a whole different story, but this is one guy and this is another example of the republicans trying to muddy the water so it taints the mueller investigation. >> exactly what i wanted to ask you about that.

you had them focusing on those text messages. dilute that and as far as the bias, you know, how does that factor in? >> and what do they focus on in the text messages besides two people having a relationship? that's how they always set it up. and it is simply about trying to hurt the overall investigation, and these two people are just sacrificial lambs. i would like to add, though, they did something wrong. peter strzok, again, not a sympathetic character. he acted inappropriately. there's no doubt about it, but he wasn't the end all and be all of the investigation. >> during that testimony he said at one point the investigation was helping the russians when it comes to that, too, and putin. is he right ahead of the face-to-face they are going to have on monday? >> well, i think the fact those 12 indictments were released when they were, it makes me wonder was mueller trying to send a message. >> we were talking with everybody, you know, some in the white house calling it an f.u., you know, as far as that.

>> maybe he's right. >> people saying no, it wasn't. >> maybe he's right to do that, but the truth is if you look at that indictment, the e-mails being hacked from the dnc, clinton campaign, even black lives matter, there was clearly a coordinated effort to disrupt in some substantial way, so do the hearings -- i think susan's point earlier, the hearings may have uncovered evidence that strzok should not have been a part of this investigation, but it doesn't uncover evidence that he was somehow moving it or pushing it in a particular direction. but the fact, again, these individuals were indicted, that's a huge, huge thing. >> susan, will there be a point where you'll have republicans moving on past this fixation of e-mails, hillary clinton, focused on -- >> they should, because here's another example of where the republicans can actually seize on something that can help them in the midterm elections, is

this indictment. this wasn't about the democrats. this was about our democracy. that's our core value, having a democracy. free elections. the republicans should be all over this saying we need to have secure elections. we have the midterms coming up, and they should be clambering for the president to call putin accountable, but they are afraid to because they are afraid of his push back, and it's a shame because this is actually the type of issue if it would have been two years ago, all -- not because it was a democratic president, but any other president, the republicans would be up in arms. >> where's this going to go as far as criticism of bias and the fbi, mueller's investigation, the indictments coming? >> i think by and large most americans believe that the fbi is still an honorable institution. one thing that came out of strzok's testimony is that they

are not automatons. but can you find that in their investigations and to date we have not. >> as always, thank you. love having you both with me. right now, a short time ago homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen told state government officials in a meeting in philadelphia that there is less of a threat of russian interference in this year's midterms than there was in 2016. here's what she said. >> right now there are no indications that russia is targeting the 2018 u.s. midterms at a scale or scope to match their activities in 2016, but let me go further, just like the activity targeting internet connected systems in other sectors, we do consistently observe malicious cyberactivity from various activities against u.s. election infrastructure. >> but that comes just one day after the special counsel's office indicted 12 russian military intelligence officials

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still working to reunite migrant children with their parents. on thursday the department of health and human services confirmed all eligible children under the age of 5 had been reunited. that's two days off from the court deadline of july 10th. the next deadline less than two weeks away, that's july 26th and that's when all separated kids in custody must be reunited with their parents. as of friday, hhs identified 2,551 minors between 5 and 17 years old. the department does not expect all of those children to be eligible for reunification. some were detained under the trump administration's zero tolerance policy and others for separate reasons. let's talk about this with ruby tower, an immigration attorney who is helping reunite separated families. she joins me from houston. ruby, thank you for your time. unimaginable the stories that you're hearing one after the another. some reports say that you've been meeting with as many as 11 separated parents in a given day. talk to me about their stories,

what they're going through one after the other in these stories that you see firsthand. >> thank you for having me. the stories are just heart breaking. many of them, the death threat is a constant word that i hear. whether it's from domestic violence abuse or gangs or police or a government actor, many are afraid of returning for their lives and their family's lives. it's just really hard to listen to these stories day in and day out. just going a deep dive into these horrendous things people have had to suffer through. and then on top of that the trauma of being separated from their children once they arrived at the united states asking for help. >> i actually want to show some video from our nbc correspondent tammy leitner who is in south texas. she accompanied a mom who was reunited with her 6-year-old son after more than a month.

when you have these families here and they hear words from president trump and the administration saying don't come, it's illegal, why are you even coming to bring your kids, how do you come to terms with their understanding of that, that knowing ultimately there are some of these families who have children under the age of 5 with the distance of miles between them? >> well, first of all, we still have the rule of law with asylum and they still have an opportunity to apply for asylum. whether you enter the united states illegally or legally. so that shouldn't change. if a person flees with just the clothes on their back and with a young child, you know they have to be fleeing for their life. not many people would do that. and that is also seen as a reason in some cases of discretion in asylum, all things being equal, that a judge or an officer will realize that this is truly a legitimate case.

so there's still -- i think that there's still a chance that they should be given for asylum and have that opportunity with due process. >> i have to ask you, the biggest concern, especially for these young kids, for whatever reasons, they're not reunited with their families, their parents, the reasons based on a range of concerns from the question of safety to the adults there to identity to the parents already deported, what happens to these kids who have nowhere to go? where are they? who's taking care of them, and what happens to them? >> well, i believe according to the reports there's about 12 parents that were already deported of the children under 5. according to what i've read with the litigation, they should be reunited under the expense of the government. but currently they would be housed in o.r.r. facilities, which is under hhs, and that they would be put through a process to be reunited with a

sponsor. but since this is all so new, i think that it's a combination of being held until they can be reunited with a parent or potentially with a sponsor, if that process is still going forward. >> i want to show you this video, compelling video here also from our correspondent there. this is 30 feet inside the u.s./mexico border in texas just yesterday. so if you look closely, you can see the group of 12 or 15 people. there are children, there are adults. is it pretty much an example of how migrants cross the border and then are taken into custody? is that pretty much the speci s experience of your clients? >> yes. so after the zero tolerance policy was ended on june 20th, many people were trying to enter at the border, but many people have to line up in long lines because they're not accepted. they're waiting in the basking hot summer sun with young children. and if they're not coming over at the border waiting to ask to enter on asylum, they might be

entering illegally at some other point somewhere along the border. and so generally this has been the way people have tried to enter to apply. >> i have to ask you, with this clock ticking with the administration and this deadline here, two weeks to reunite or determine the eligibility of those kids, it's going to be tough. we'll see what happens there. very quickly in ten seconds, what's going to happen after that? >> after the -- after july 26th? >> right. where will the children go? where will they go if they're not back with their parents? >> well, they're in the o.r.r. facilities right now, so the general process is that they would be released to a sponsor. >> all right. >> and if not, then they would potentially go to a foster home. >> all right, thank you. i'm sorry to it can it short but we are running out of time. i appreciate your time, thank you. and that is our time. i'm frances rivera. then here' s . it came from the toaster.

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