so where ever you go. we're right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it. don't live life without it. good morning. welcome to politics nation. this week we saw the nomination of brett kavanaugh to the supreme court of the united states. if there's one thing this year's supreme court has shown us is the difference it can show us in the progress or stagnation of our nation. president trump's pick of brett kavanaugh ensures the supreme court will be able to further

president trump's destructive agenda for decades to come. don't be fooled. this is not some middle of the road pick. on every issue kavanaugh has proven to threatening a woman's right to choose, challenging the constitutionality of the affordable care act and ruling against workers and consumers at every turn. this is a fight for the soul of our country and the senate needs to stop kavanaugh's nomination. it would be a disasterous attack on basic human and civil rights. we'll get into that in a moment, but first president trump's contentious european trip ends tomorrow in finland where the

eyes of the world will be on his first stand alone meeting with russian president putin. joining me now is democratic strategist and republican strategist susan. let me go to you. the president went to england, faced massive protests even protests in his stop over to play golf and now leaving there shortly headed into the meeting in finland. with all that has to be discussed you have got clearly ukraine and syria and many concerns about strategic arms agreements. what is overshadowing that is that friday 12 russian

intelligence officers were indicted for meddling in the 2016 elections. no one really that i have heard, experts that i'm speaking of believe they could have operated without the knowledge if not direction of putin. many have said, including me, that the president should not have just that the time. >> yeah. no. i 100% agree. one of the things i think is concerning is that this president hasn't in anyway shape or form took a very long time toechb knowledge even though the intelligence community was saying the russians have try today interfere and hack one of the political parties, you know, e-mail systems and, you know, denied it, denied it, even poked fun at the fbi. he has never even condemned the

kremlin or anything for it. he said i'll take putin's word for it. we know he has a fast and loose history with the truth. going into this meeting the only way he gets anything out of it is he is try to go protect american interest and his behavior hasn't shown that he is. we have reports from fbi director ray in a hearing. they have gotten no direction from this as to how to protect future attacks. >> i think that's the point. you are a republican when you have been saying where are the american interests here? i think we are put in a real example here because there are genuine global concerns that need to be dealt with. you crane is real. syria is real. st strategic arms agreement is

real. how did you do that meeting with the people that may have interfered with the election process here that made him president? so it is an awkward position that americans are in which is why many of us feel the last thing we need is some kind of good optics for putin and donald trump. >> let's not make a mistake. the attack was a cyber attack against america. they attacked our democracy. if it would have been attack on the electrical grid everyone would have been up in arms. this is in fact worse. it is not worse in the sense of it effects every day americans but he attacked our democracy. if american interests aren't there where else can they possibly be? it is unfathomable that they are

not standing up for their country. >> i haven't heard anyone articulate that. it was not an attack on the dnc alone on hillary clinton. i think we kind of make it too personal. this was an attack on the democratic process of an american election and an american president has been silent about that and has taken it like this was a partisan attack rather than an attack on american people practicing their right to vote. >> i think that's exactly right. >> and the intelligence about it too. >> he is not listening about what this is attack is. donald trump is saying this happened under someone else's watch. that is absurd. the attack was against the united states. the attack wasn't for donald trump necessarily. you can't look for it like that. donald trump makes it all personal. he has to simply take away all

of the partisan ship aship and what happened. that is an attack against america. >> to complicate some of the optics. i use the example about the optics because that's what this president is all about. to confuse it the president of france is meeting at the kremlin with putin. it gives the appearance that putin is being accepted by nato leaders. he is in moscow because of the world cup. of course president trump should be with him. it makes the meeting a little less edgey than it appears two or three days ago. the issues with this country that nobody else including macron are facing.

>> yeah. the issue that russia has or putin has with macron is very different than the issues he long had with america. one of the things i think he is enjoying right now is that trump has specifically gotten into arguments with america's allies whether it is throwing a bit of a tantrum at the g7 or throwing candies at the chance lor of germany. >> susan, i have got to ask you

this. i always say you're my favorite republican even though your twitter account had about 100 added. but the nomination of kavanaugh, very concerning but aside from my differences and how he interpr interprets the law, the fact that barack obama faced a stall of over a year when they nominated judge garland and they successfully blocked him, waited for a new president and was able to put gorsuch in, now we have a second nomination and many have said it should not be a process until after this election. he lived by the process that you change. i think there's something fundamental here. if they proceed they are saying

we'll do it each way each time which reduces how we select supreme court justices. i think to protect the integrity of the senate they ought to wait and have this again after the election process. >> as you know, i spoke out against prolonging the -- >> right. >> justice garland into the supreme court. i thought that vote should have been taken. i also believed it never should have been changd. there is a reason we want to see consensus. >> that being said though, elections have consequences. one of them is that the president gets to choose their supreme court pick. this justice, as much as you may disagree with them is a typical republican pick. there's very little doubt about that. the republicans have control of the senate. it means they call it the way

they want to and go forward. what i think the democrats should do is come up with a consistent strategy probably within using it. there is very little you can do except to change that fact. >> one of the things they can raise is that this nominee, judge kavanaugh said he doesn't believe a president should be investigated or prosecuted while in office. they can ask him if he will recuse himself if any of the deliberation does implicate the president and he being appointed during the investigation should not be one to sit in judgment and whether or not it is constitutional or not. is that a reasonable thing for the democrats to do and is it a

good political strategy? >> yeah. it is highly coincidental or not that that is something he has made known on whether the president should sit in judgment or not. i think absolutely, it should be one of the many questions, whether it be by aca or civil rights or anything voters care about, definitely it should be one of them given what's happening with the mueller investigation and everything ro swirling around it. >> thank you. coming up, senator corey booker, should president trump cancel his meeting with putin? and why leaders of civil rights movements are joining forces to stop at all cost to brett

kavanaugh's nomination to the supreme court. we'll be right back.

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earlier i had a chance to speak with senator booker who sits on the senate judiciary

committee. >> thank you for joining us. i want to get into the nomination and your call for the delay in the vote. let me ask you, first we saw on friday the indictment of 12 russians for hacking and interfering with the 2016 elections. and senator chuck schumer have said based on that president trump should cancel his meeting tomorrow with putin. what do you think about that? >> well, the president's relationship with putin has been disturbing to say the least. he seem to have better relationships with someone who attacked the united states of america even calling for him to rejoin the relationships with communities like he did when he was up in canada. it is outrageous the way he treats him but then our allies who have bled with us and fought

with us, he attacks them. and so this is now yet a further demonstration of what we already knew is that the russians have attacked this but their cyber attacks attacked the element of a democracy. that's the voting process. this president for him to go forward and meet and not make this a central point to really go at putinharder than he did, folks who have not reached their 2% goal yet may not have that until their goal is reached. if he is not talking to them in a harsher way this is again commander in chief malpractice and someone not putting security at the center of his agenda. >> should he cancel the meeting or gourd go hard at the meeting? what do you think is the appropriate thing to do? >> it is a time we are cancelling the meeting and would

send the right signal. i think that him using a lot of the tools that the senate has given him in terms of sanctions, we in a bipartisan way have given him a suite of tools which to use to take financial actions against this country but if he is going to go forward with the meeting he has an obligation to make a center point of the meeting, the protection of the united states against the ongoing cyber attacks of the russians. if he fails to go hard at putin on these issues he is really failing. this marks a failure as commander in chief. >> and you know that many of the national civil rights groups have taken a position. many of the civil liberty groups you have come out and said this whole process ought to be delayed until after the midterm

elections in november. why have you taken that position? >> we now have an ongoing investigation which as we just discussed is a serious investigation into a overt attack by the russians. we have someone making that investigation. as a result of that investigation before even the 12 russians were indicted we had over 12 indicted. fife guilty pleas. these folks have been circles around the president of the united states, whether it was the campaign or high level members of the administration. there are a lot of elements that could end up before the supreme court. where you can investigate a president in a criminal matter, whether a president can pardon themselves. there is a number of aspects that can come up before the supreme court. if all of the people and the federal society, these right wing organizations gave him he

selected very carefully the one person on that list who has come out and said that a president that he believes are president should not be investigated, that a president should have the power to end an investigation, that a president ultimately should be the one that is in control. >> even though he was part of the team that did it to sitting president bill clinton? >> yes, sir. that rank hypocrisy. so we have a situation now where in essence to put it very concretely we have somebody under criminal investigation choosing the judge that could be deciding matters on that investigation. this is something that should go for every american, should not be able to choose their judge. it goes against every ideal. we in the senate who are supposed to an equal balance of the power, we know we don't

believe in the absolute power of presidencies. we should say wait a minute. let this investigation, which is one of the more critical things going on getting to the bottom of the attack. let it run its course. the court functioned with eight people. we saw it held open. it was nominated by the president of the united states. it was held open for about a year with eight justices. we should be doing that again. it doesn't specify how many justices you need. they can operate now while we wait out this investigation. >> we are also looking at here is that the midterm elections are going to decide. at this point the republicans have a razor thin majority. have you any sense that any of your colleagues on the other side of the aisle meaning republicans may change and take the position one or two of them is the only ones you need to

delay any proceedings going forward until after the election and maybe in light of the 12 indictments on friday. do you think any of the republicans may have second thoughts or even some of the rumored democrats from red states may say wait a minute. with these indictments we really need to wait until after the election because these issues have become even more crystal clear to a lot of the american public that this investigation is not a witch hunt? >> first of all if you want to call it a witch hunt what happens when you find there are actually witches out there. so you ask the question the right way in regards to this election. i want to say to the community you created here, because i know folks from newark watch this religiously before we go to

church. they have to understand that the victory we have had, stopping him from to take away our health care, pushing him back on his muslim ban version one, version two is all decided by the supreme court. this is all coming back usually because of the activism of americans. change happens in this country. change doesn't come from washington. it comes to washington. in this moral moment where that's supreme court justice that could make the difference on every issue you can think of from the cost of health care to a woman's right to make her own decisions over her body, affirmative actions, voting rights, net neutrality. all of these issues are in the balance right now in this moment. i know that this body i'm in, congress responds to public pressure and folks who get in folks face and say this is a jugular issue to me like we saw with health care, folks with

health care and even republicans and democrats said do not take away my health care. remember, i have the preexisting condition that will send us back to the days in america where you could be discriminating against for having a preexisting condition, hi condition. some thought being a woman was being a preexisting condition and charged you more. we don't want to go back to that. we are not showing that out rage. we are not protesting. if there's no struggle there's no process. this is a moment in history where we have to let our representatives know this is a line for us, that you are either with us or against us. you're with us or with those that want to roll back voting rights. corm rations have a sen den si over people. so i am calling out to your community, your audience to please get in this fight. it is not a time to think it is

a spectator suppoport. we need your voice which is ultimately your power. please let your voice be heard. you say people watch this religiously. you already preached a morning sermon. thank you for being with us. >> thank you so much. >> my thanks again to senator booker. up next president trump's top evangelical adviser said jesus christ never broke the immigration law. puzzled? so am i. we'll explain in a moment.

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it's no secret that the white evangelical community played an unexpectedly huge role in the sentence of president trump who despite a past has a distinctive pain in their community that equates following christ with the least christ-like behavior possible.

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for this. >> i think so many people take in biblical scriptures to say jesus was a refugee. it was not illegal. if he had broke the law he would have been sinful and would not have been their messiah. >> never mind that immigration laws did not exist in the first century middle east. there were no modern nations, but as i think you know pastor white jesus of nazareth lost his life not only the religious laws but the secular records of the roman empire. his sacrifice is the ultimate example of personal conviction to unjust authority. what could be more unjust than

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>> welcome bachlkt we talked about what they could do to combat the nomination to the supreme court. we are not waiting for capitol hill's response. earlier this week i joined leaders from the national urban league and other social justice groups as head on a conference call to game out our strategy for this judicial emergency. joining me now is president of the lawyer's committee and mark who convene that had call, president of the national urban league. why did you think it was important to convene this call and we actually had hundreds of our chapter leaders and activists around the country on the call. why was it important ksh and i sensed from the call a nonpartisan sense of urgency. it had nothing do with what you

felt it was. >> thank you for having me. 300 people participated in that call. it is necessary for us to demonstrate a unified front among the civil rights community and elevate why it is important to defeat this nomination. the idea that we are in a special time because justice kennedy of course who did not vote the way we would have wanted in many cases did in several crucial cases. so this nominee could tip the balance of power. we need to demonstrate in a unified front. we called them to weigh in. we will do this grass roots

style. we'll be very deliberate about it. make no mistake about it. we must oppose this nomination. >> one of the things i have seen over the last few days you and legal defense fund and oers, you have raised the legal record of judge kavanaugh and spoke as women and black women at that around the threat to womens rights and i think that it was very striking your police officer ri and your presentation on the call and on several of the outings. >> well, make no mistake civil rights are under attack in our country right now. i think that this administration has been particularly hostile when it comes to protecting the

rights. it will most inevitably come in subsequent terms. we need to make sure any justice who is install today a lifetime seat on the court will faithfully hold the constitution and faithfully interpret and apply the federal civil rights laws. we intend to fight with all we have got because that's lot at stake. we know it's not just about this supreme court vacancy. it is about how this administration has handled appointments across the country. this administration has turned the clock back putting forth nominees who are radical outside the mainstream, overwhelmingly white. and so here with this appointment it is more of the same and critical that the senate now do its job and that

the more than 300 cases and countless speeches that judge kavanaugh has given to groups like the american intersurprise, is he somebody that can be fair and independent or somebody coming with biases to corporate interests, biases against vulnerable communities like women and children. >> when we talk about bias, hillary clinton said this, you know, i used to worry that they wanted to turn the clock back to the 1950s. now i worry they want to turn it back to the 1850s. these will be urgent fights. the stakes could not be higher. >> and look, she is making an important point. this supreme court nomination is

part of what i think is a broader effort to repeal the 20th century. the advances when it comes to women, when it comes to african americans, when it comes to voting rights, when it comes to health care, when it comes to expansion of educational opportunities, this is an all out assault. the supreme court is one battle in this assault. this is why people of good will across the nation have to weigh in. we want the senate to call 202-224-3021 and weigh in forcefully against this nomination. we cannot allow all of this to be eroded and under cut.

>> yes. >> or by the supreme court. >> and they are threatened. i wanted to ask you this. before you were head of national urban league for the last 11 years. there is an african american summit that we are speaking at. i also want to speak to the black republicans. this is beyond partisan. we are talking about martin luther king. >> civil rights and voting rights have always been multi-partisan. >> they have voted for extensions or promotes exclusive america through civil rights. this is not a partisan issue. to inject partisan ship in it is to throw a smoke screen over the essence of what we are talking about. we we are talking about what

kind of nation we want to have in the 21st century. one that is a nation for all where all can pursue their dreams, all can have equal student or o opportunity. >> but on a legal side they also did use a new process, set a new precedent when they stalled on judge garland. for them now to flip back and say elections don't matter, we were talking about presidential elections, aren't they making mockery of how they deal with selecting supreme court justices if it goes by which parties in the white house and who you want to listen to as president? >> there is such hypocrisy that looms over this. the memories of the political obstruction that prevented judge garland's nomination from moving forward, absolutely looms heavy

here. at the end of the day the supreme court is the nation's highest court. it is the one place we return to to resolve the controversies that unfold across our country on civil rights, voting rights, criminal justice, reproductive rights and so much more. so right now it is time to be focused. it is time for clarity. it is time to push the senate to do its job. politics has no room here. we need a lifetime appointment to the court who will be fair and independent and somebody that will handle the civil rights cases that come before them. >> i will have to leave today. i want to thank you. up next, 6 of 0 years after triggering the civil rights movement the justice department wants to reopen the investigation into the election.

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book tells white accuser as having lied about the sexual cod 'til his life at the hands of racist vigilantes. author of "the blood of emmet till." i was only 1 years old when emit till was murdered but many of us grew up hearing the stories from our parents, in the south but later in life i met emmet's mother and she came to rallies that i hosted in harlem around the death of her son and anniversary of her son emit till being killed and now the case was closed. now this administration reopens

it. how do you view this? >> i think the most important thing to remember about this unfathomable evil is not just the crucifixion of a small black boy in mississippi but the on going resurrection his mother and her allies rung from this horr horror. they leveraged the power of the community organization so if chicago, the brotherhood is sleeping and the united packing houseworkers and the naacp that was energetic and large and militant, these were national institutions and created a national movement with hundreds and hundreds of thousands of people and that created an infrastructure for a national civil rights movement and that, we've -- our -- leonard pit said

american history is unpunished blood and he's far from alone in his faith, the difference is what people did with it. >> no, i think that that's clear. in fact, i remember rosa parks said that when she sat on the bus in december '55 not long after emit till was killed that when they told her to move to the back of the bus, all she could think of was emit till and maybe mobley, the mother of emit till, she opened his casket, jet magazine, johnson publication showed the world and it was a movement that continued on and on and on as you said many organizations including later in life when she came to harlem would be a network still raising the point this was in 1998y she was with me in harlem to where

she died raising this point but that is why we question why would this administration now want to reopen it? we have a 2014 case of eric garner choked by police in new york on tape that we met with the justice department, we met with sessions, many of us, we can't get them to deal with that case. why do we or should we trust this justice department on reopening emmet till when all of the accused are dead and emmet till is dead? >> it's breathtaking hypocrisy that jefferson regards sessions the third and donald trump should present themselves as defenders of civil rights and racial justice whether they are -- having children of color in cages all along the border when they are engaged in the relentless attack on african american voting rights all over

the country. the men who murdered emmet till said afterwards that they had killed him to take a stand against public school integration and against black voting and neither of those things do donald trump and jefferson bowl regards session support. i find that deeply ironic in the timing of this remarkable. >> yeah. thank you so much for being with us, timothy tyson. >> thank you for having me. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. - i love my grandma. - anncr: as you grow older, your brain naturally begins to change which may cause trouble with recall. - learning from him is great... when i can keep up! - anncr: thankfully, prevagen helps your brain and improves memory. - dad's got all the answers. - anncr: prevagen is now the number-one-selling brain health supplement in drug stores nationwide. - she outsmarts me every single time.

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well, i lost a friend and colleague ed schultz who was a colleague at this station. when i started doing this show "politics nation" seven years ago next month, i used to have the honor of him handing off from his show to mine every night five nights a week. i got to know him as a standup guy. he was the kind of person whether we were fighting trayvon martin or dealing with eric garner killed four years ago this tuesday by policemen in new york, he was not afraid to dig into those stories and to advocate his opinion.

he will be missed. there are some that use their microphone just for their careers and others for the good of a nation and the good of people everywhere. ed schultz did that. so as i pause on this tuesday on the day of eric garner's killing and that evening i will be speaking at the home going services of harlem activists in this town who worked very hard in fighting these battles, beverly austin, i'll be thinking of ed schultz and beverly austin as we continue to fight for what is right. that does it for me. thanks for watching and to keep the conversation going, like us at facebook.com/politics nation and follow us on twitter at politics nation. i'll see you back here next sunday. you know what? i want to add one thing to ed schultz. i remember he had the biggest

smile and gave the best hugs. that was another personal note about him. we miss him a lot. >> i continue to hug you alex, but i'm not as bilge as him. i lost something. >> that's okay. >> he was a man's man and person's person. >> hugs are good from both of you. rev, thank you. good morning to all of you. i'm alex witt at msnbc world headquarters, 9:00 here in the east and 6:00 out west. summit goals, the answers president trump gives to that question with less than 24 hours to go, this is pressure for him to confront vladimir putin. >> that's what the american site proposed and we're polite people so we agreed. >> the talk russian diplomat on a request the u.s. made for the putin meeting and why it is stirring controversy plus new word from the president today on whether he's going to ask for those indicted russians to be extradited to the u.s. we have new reaction next on