tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 16, 2018 9:00pm-10:00pm PDT
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of the united states and will to the best of my ability of. >> and will to the best of my ability preserve protect and defend. >> preserve, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. >> so help me god. >> so help me god. >> congratulations, mr. president. >> those words take us off the air and that is our broadcast. good night from nbc news headquarters here in new york. >> first, deep breath. not that deep. this was a big day. let's just talk about what has just happened. let's talk about it with the full and complete expectation that more of it may yet happen while we are talking tonight. things are at a boil.
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things are going fast now. this is a time when everybody needs to pay attention. here on this show, really since the summer of 2016, we have covered the russia angle on the candidacy and the administration of the current president more than anybody else in the national press and i will admit that. i have been teased for that and criticized for it. i know that the intensity of our coverage of what we now know as the russia scandal. the intensity and dedication to the story by necessity squeezed out the time we might have devoted to other worthy stories. i'm cognizant of that. on this of all days, here's why we have covered the story so intensely. since it first became clear that there was something wrong and l
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elic elicit. between the adversary and the unlikely rise of this politician that shocked everyone by winning the last election. there was no explicable reason why as a presidential candidate he would step with such care to avoid ever saying anything remotely negative or critical about russia and its president. there was no explicable reason why he would dig out of the vault, a campaign chairman who had not worked in campaign politics for more than a generation and spent more than the past decade doing putin's political bidding in the yet union. there was no reason to name a guy caught up in a russian spy ring in new york as one of his five foreign policy advisers when this is a guy no one had ever heard of. there was no explicable reason
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to keep secret the facty that he did have pending business deals. from a man who loves to brag from the smallest and most unimpressive business endeavors. his vodka and terrible wine. there was no reason why he wouldn't fwlag on the day of one of the early republican primary debates, he signed a letter of intent to build the tallest believe in russia. there was no reason why the campaign would intervene in the national platform to make it more pro russia. and then deny they had anything to do with it. there was no reason why so many russians attended the trump inauguration and why he surprised everyone by inviting the russian foreign minster and russian ambassador with no notice and no u.s. media and no limit on his willingness to
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disclose the code word intelligence. there was no explicable reason for any of those things unless you were willing to believe the worst. and honestly, who wants to believe the worst? you don't want to reckon with it or think too hard about the worst casey is nario. what should we do as citizens if the worst case is true? for everything that we have been through as a country, for every trial and challenge and intrigue and embarrassment and scandal as we have been through as a nation, we haven't ever had to reckon with the possibility that someone ascended to the presidency of the united states to serve the interests of other country rather than our own. what's the directive to that?
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how do you remedy that? these are no longer hypothetical questions. this is where we are and i recognize it sounds nuts to say it even now, even tonight. there is a reason there is a national freak out happening right now over what the president just did in public. whatever happened in the long private meeting he insisted on taking with vladimir putin with no other american officials present, whatever happened there, what happened in public there after has shaken the country today. for the worst possible reasons. no serving u.s. president has ever before taken sides with the foreign government against our own let alone a foreign government that just attacked our country. if the president did that today because he has some reason to serve that other country rather than our own, a lot that has
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been inexplicable is not explicable. that's the worst casey is nairio. we have to come to terms with what we need to do to fix this. in order to do that, the blinders have to come off. we have to be real. happily, just at the time we need that, we are getting serious help from the now rapidly unspooling legal case that surround this is scandal from the special counsel's office and where the cases are now moving forward. the story of what russia did to our country and who might have helped them and how and how much trouble they might be in for that. it is just now starring to come into focus. the different pieces of it. on that front, there has been a
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bunch of developments. when i said that things might continue to develop while we are talking, it's not just over the past few days and today, but into this evening. we have a bunch of developments that have given us as citizens a lot more clarity. a lot of new clarity in terms of what happened to us and what evidence law enforcement and inve invest gators assembled. where they have shown their work that they have shown, that gives us a view of where it looks like they are heading. that is further help in terms of who we are, how we are going to deal with what is a serious national security crisis for our country. to that end, i think the legal case here is not necessarily the way we fix this as a country. i don't know what is the way we fix this. it's the way we find out what's going on and get the truth.
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and to that end, in terms of the evolution of this legal case, let me start with one small development that didn't get much attention today. i'm leading with it not because it's the most important, but you may not have heard about it. it's a new development in the case of paul manafort, the campaign chair. he is in jail awaiting two different federal trials. the first jurisdiction was washington, d.c. the judge set a date in september. the second jurisdiction in which he was charged was in the eastern district of virginia. even though the charges came second, the eastern district of virginia is known as the rocket docket. they like to go fast. don't ask a judge in the eastern district for a delay. don't take a long recess or ask the judge to take too long. they like to go fast. sometimes faster than the
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prosecutors or the defense is comfortable with. in the virginia trial, not only did they set his trial date for july, two months ahead of his d.c. trial date even though he was charged in d.c. first, but the judge in the case sped things along and turned down manafort's request for a delay in the trial and turned down prosecutors's request to be blocked out on the calendar. he said no, you should be able to get this done in one week. fast, fast, fast. he wants to get it done. that's what the judge is known for. it is surprising and interesting today that in paul manafort's case in the rocket docket eastern district of virginia, the judge just handed out a big delay. just postponed a hearing that was due to happen tomorrow morning.
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this was going to be an interesting part of the case anyway. it's a lawyhearing to discuss t last ditch things and the defense to get him off the hook. tomorrow will be that hearing. they said that will be delayed till next week. we don't know why. it's totally possible that the judge has a tooth ache or needs to get his car inspected. just realized can't meet for some other reason. totally possible. but it is also worth noting things have been going for manafort and his defense team. his lawyers lost on literally everything motion and request they made to the judge up to and including paul manafort being moved several days ago to a new jail he did not want to be moved to. a move that is the public release of this mug shot. if this hearing in manafort's case is being delayed because of a significant new development in the case, what everyone is on
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the edge of their seat about is the possibility that the new development could be that he is potentially considering a guilty plea or another negotiation with prosecutors. he is the only american changed thus far in the russia legal case who has not pled guilty or agreed to cooperate with prosecutors. if he does so, that would be a big deal. you should know that's going on in the manafort case. as we were getting that surprising small bit of information out of the eastern district of virginia today, as we were getting that inform information, the justice department announced a new indictment. it credulously describes maria butin as a russian gun rights activist. there is no gun rights movement in russia, let alone one she is
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part of. there are no gun rights in russia. there is no movement in russia. the idea that vladimir putin would support that kind of activism on russian soil is ridiculo ridiculous. that's like mike pence being marshal of a gay pride parade. does not compute. what maria butina is and has been is a sort of odd russian appendage to the american gun rights movement, to the nra, a conservative organization influential in the republican party. among the american officials, she and another russian who she is associated with, among the americans, they were able to get and go for this laughable gun rights in russia scam they were pulling. it was john bolton who is the new trump national security adviser.
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maria butina is charged as a secret agent. john bolton not that long ago was persuaded to make a video address for her supposed gun rights group in russia. >> today you are engaged in a historic debate about the possible expansion of your freedoms. should the russian people have the right to bear arms. >> according to a criminal complaint in washington, d.c., the person who arranged for john bolton to make that address on russian gun rights, she was charged with experience to act as an agent of the russian federation in the united states. the defendant was working in the u.s. at the direction of an unnamed russian official who was described elsewhere in the complaint as a high level official in the russian government who was previously a member of legislature of the russian federation and later became a top official at the russian central bank.
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they are not named in the complaint, but this is her long time associate in this effort with the nra. as described in the complaint today, he directed maria butina's activities in furtherance of this experience. the fbi's investigation revealed they took steps to development relationships with american politicians to establish private or as she called them, back channel lines of communication. these lines could be used by the russian federation to penetrate the decision making apparatus to advance the agenda of the russian federation. they go on to describe a russian government supported effort to use alexander and maria to influence the republican party in the united states using the nra as russia's point of leverage. it's clear from the context that the political party in question is the republican party and the
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gun rights organization in question here is definitely the nra. that's how you have to read it, knowing that the fbi obtains what they call her project proposal for this spying operation and if you insert the relevant proper nouns about the party and the nra, it's striking what she says about march 2015 she was trying to do. this is her project proposal. the first line is project description. diplomacy. it state that is a major party, the republican party would likely obtain control of the government after the 2016 elections. the republican party is traditionally associated with negative and aggressive foreign policy particularly with regard to russia. however now with the right to negotiate, seems best to build constructively relations. the project proposal notes the central place and influence in the republican party played by the nra, the nra according to
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butina is the largest response of of elections and other events. now, that's her project proposal for this influence operation which the fbi said she was running illegally in the united states to influence the republican party on behalf of the russian government. that's her proposal she wrote in 2015. why would someone believe in 2015 that the republican party is likely to obtain control over the government in 2016? why did she think that? why does she think that enough to be so sure she was going to predicate this on that expected outcome? also, why in the spring of 2015 did she think she had the "right
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to negotiate?" . why would they believe they had the right to negotiation and what the positions of the 2016 head of the party would be? i don't know, but we are likely to find out. the fbi lays out a detail in this complaint how she worked to set up contacts and secret communications between unnamed u.s. persons and the government. we don't know who u.s. person two is in the complaint, but a year after her project proposal in march 2016, she reportedly e-mailed u.s. person two and said that this russian official had confirmed to her his desire in our russian american project and said that a representative of the russian presidential administration expressed approval for building this communication channel. putin approved of her building this back channel to the american republican party through the nra.
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a back channel that went from the kremlin to the republican party using the nra as the conduit. approved by russian presidential administration. according to the complaint as the election results as the election came in overnight as november 8th turned into november 9th. she engaged in twitter-direct messages with her apparent handler in the russian government. that night as the election returns came in according to the criminal complaint she said i am going to sleep. it is 3:00 here. i am ready for further orders. late they're month having a ranged for a large russian delegation to attend the national prayer breakfast that took place after the trump inauguration she sent a list of russian who is would attend the prayer breakfast. the people are head picked by alexander and me and are
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influential in russia. they are coming to establish a back channel of communication. that was an e-mail to u.s. person one. the importance of this new indictment -- i was going to say two fold, but it's three-fold. this is a criminal allegation from the national security division of the justice department and the fbi that an agent of the russian government was working in republican and conservative politics in this country to, among other things, to set up secret contacts and secret lines of communication with the clem lynn with support from and approval from vladimir putin. that's one. this is a collusion indictment. there is u.s. persons who are described, but not named in the indictment. presumably we will come to know who they are. that's one. number two, in our own politics,
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this has implications in the nra and the conservative movement. this will put a hot fire over the question of whether the nra may have been used for a russian influenceration in the united states, but potentially as a means of funneling russian money in the united states to influence the election. there is one last way in which this indictment of maria butina will be important going forward. this is going to be a gift that keeps on giving. unlike the indictments of all the other russians, all the other 26 russians who have been charged in the mueller investigation, unlike those 26, maria was here. they have arrested her. the other 26 russians charged will likely never set foot in a u.s. courtroom or never again on u.s. soil as long as the justice
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department exists. maria butina was here. they executed search warrants on her residence in april according to a statement by her lawyer and an arrest warrant was issued for her. we don't know why. she was arrested yesterday and on sunday her lawyer said without notice to counsel. she is being held without bond. court filings indicate a notification has been made to the russian consulate that the u.s. is holding their citizen. she is expected to appear in court on wednesday in federal court in washington, d.c. what that means is in all likelihood in this case, there is going to be a case. there is going to be a trial that is unlike the internet research indictments from february and unlike the military intelligence indicted on friday. we have names and distributions and serious crimes alleged, but they won't end up in an american courtroom. in this case, they have got her. we will see her in court on
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wednesday and see the fight over the charges unfold in public and in a way we can observe. of course this all follows the incredible bundle of new information that we got on friday when those 12 officers were indicted for the attack on the clinton campaign in the election. when the president stood there next to vladimir putin and said he doesn't believe the u.s. government on the question of whether or not russia messed with the election because putin's denial was strong and powerful. part of the reason is because he said that standing next to vladimir putin and he said it immediately after the u.s. government published reams of information that has the russians dead to right on what they did. they have shown their work. it's very specific. they traced the bit coin payments used by the officers to set up the first website where they dumped the stolen documents from the democratic party. they follow the bit coin and the
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money and connect the money used to set up d.c. leaks.com to the same funds being used to set up malicious domains used to send the spear fishing documents to the party. that means the publication and dissemination of the stolen materials are linked by a money trail to the way they stole the materials in the first plags. that means the hacking and stealing of the data was part of the same operation as the dissemination of the data. that means anybody who aided and a betted any part of that was in that major crime. all the same people doing all the same work with all the same money for the same purpose. any americans involved in that? the twitter account they set up was from the same computer that posted online fake american identities with hash tags like
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blacks against hillary. the gus for was with the spear fishing domain. that was paid for out of the bit coin they used to buy space on a server from which they ran the d.c. leaks.com website. you don't have to memorize all the strands in the spider web, but it's laid out in the indictment. all of the different parts of it. the propaganda to make people believe there was hatred for hillary clinton that was faked by the russian government. they were stealing from the clinton campaign and the same people and the same operation that staged the release of the stolen documents to cause maximum political pain. first 3d c leaks and gucifer and wikilea wikileaks. all the same money and computers. thattive goes us insight into what the crime was and whodunit
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and also the u.s. law enforcement and intelligence got about what happened to us. you got the names of the military intelligence associated with fake online personas that spewed anti-hillary clinton propaganda. they knew who was masquerading as who. they knew at which date and which time and running programs to clear his tracks when he worried the fbi was on to him. one of the things we have yet to talk about, someone right there in the middle is the serious allegation raced in the friday indictment that the russian operation with or without the help of american confederates, that is unclear. they tried to do stuff that was not just about swaying public opinion and stealing stuff that was then turned back around into the u.s. media there by manipulating the media and by
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the way it covered the election. beyond all that, the russians targeted field operation plan when is they stole stuff from the democratic party. they stole hundreds of thousands of voter files and stole something that they describe as the test applications related to the dnc's analytics. the dnc's analytics. if this president was elected not just with an illegal boost from russia in the form of propaganda and social media and documents stolen and turned loose on the public. if this president was elected baugz russi because russian military opponents field voter files and the analytics, that is not like cheating on the test anymore. that is like having the answer key with you when you sat down to purportedly take the test. that's not an influence
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operation anymore. that is something as i said at the top, we need to really seriously reckon with as a country maybe for the first time and without blinders on. we now need to get this right. the president publicly took sides with russia against the u.s. government today. that has occasioned a national freak out. at this moment it is worth being clear eye and specific about what has gone wrong here. what the danger is and what the best way is for america to fix a problem like this one which is like nothing we have ever confronted before as a nation. we have to get this right. big night tonight. stay buckled in. lots to come. what will you discover with a lens made by essilor?
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try to explain what was happening. let me ask whether that very detailed being able to follow people's key strokes and screen shots and getting field operations data going after the analytics on the democratic party servers does that comport with your understanding of what happened sna. >> it's surprising and mind blowing at the same time. it completely comports with what we have known back to july of 2016. last time i was here we talked about the switching tactics from gucifer 2.0 and d.c. leaks to wikileaks being a change in strategy. wikileaks said to russian
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intelligence will have a much higher impact on what you are doing and timing. it lays out what we have been saying. >> that are evolution was fascinating. reading that indictment became clear that started with d.c. leaks. they tried to create a website called election leaks. they have d.c. leaks and purported to be activists. when they looked at what happened with that hack and said it looks like the russian government they formed the gucifer 2.0 persona to say i'm a lone hacker and wikileaks comes to gucifer and said we can do it better. they started looking for information that wiki leaks can use to attract bernie sanders supporters. >> wikileaks said that this would be a good time to sew discord between hillary and bernie voters.
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>> and russia obliges. >> it's not new news that gucifer 2.0 is a front for russian intelligence. there was reams of information that came out that said exactly that. when trump campaign officials said i wasn't talking to them, come on. >> maximum eight weeks before the election, the military hackers get the dnc's analytics or data related to the analytics off this cloud server. what does that mean? what are analytics and what kind of information is that and what utility would it be? >> analytics provides a window into individual voters and what voters the campaign needs to talk to. it will tell you which voters you think are persuadable and likely to turn out. >> which voters literally.
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which individual people. >> down to the individual level. you have to remember democratic campaigns and organizations know their voters better than the republicans do and vice-versa. right? it's extraordinarily valuable for your opponent to have that kind of data by individual voters about who you think is going to turn out and who is persuadable and who is going to vote for the candidate and who you think is enthusiastic. >> if you had that analytics from the trump campaign, that it fallen out of the sky and you had that, you would be able to turn your campaign around to use that information to defeat trump? >> it would be enormously helpful. a campaign uses analytics to decide where to buy tv advertisements and who you are going to target on social media. the point in stlhaving that wou be deeply problematic.
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before election day a story came out where a senior trump official was on background and said we have three major suppression operations under way. >> it was a weird thing in the press. you don't announce we are doing voter suppression. >> the election is rigged. it's more bizarre and not something they would come out and say, but they were very, very specific. they said they are aimed at three groups clinton needs to win. white liberals, young women and african-americans. that's in the press. ahead of election day. when i saw the july 27 date in the mueller indictment which is interesting for many reasons. >> when trump said russia, if you are listening, we want the 33,000 e-mails. >> that caught the attention loudly. when you think of july 27th and to this story before election
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day, the stated goal is voter suppression. one of the most valuable things you can use analytics for is who you target. >> you are implying they may have said that to the press to signal to russia what they wanted done. >> an absolute possibility. >> for the hillary clinton campaign, nice of you to be here. miles and miles left before we sleep. stay with us. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪ ♪ 3 toddlers won't stop him.. and neither will lower back pain.
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>> per it's not just you. this is how it looked overseas. trump treasonous after siding with putin on election meddling. this is from france that translated and even scandalizes in the republican ranks. this said trump surrenders to putin after humiliating europe. could mean anything. i have no idea. this was the front page in finland that took place in finland. trump, 0. putin, 1. we need to figure out what we are going to doa ever they are openly siding with another government instead of our own.
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when he was asked how the summit went, he burst with happiness. like a grape. he told russian state media that today was "fabulous." better than souper. i department have to add the ellipses there. fabulous, more than souper. michael mcfaul and nbc news analyst, you have been up all night and this has been a remarkable president. from what you saw and the importance of these events. i wanted to ask what you think of the fact that there is a national freak out happening about what the president did. the behavior of presidents of foreign summits is always of interest is always news worthy. it seems to have shaken that country.
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>> it is striking to me that it got an overwhelming reaction and all over the world. from what you said earlier, you and i have talked about this for many years. i want to emphasize that. because such a focus on the president today standing next to putin, that created the image and it would have been so easy for him to push back just a little bit, right? i'm sure that's what his advisers told him to do and yet he didn't do it. i just think it was jarring to see him doing that standing next to vladimir putin. hopefully it's a wake up call for our country to take this much more seriously. >> what are would taking it much more seriously mean in nuts and bolts terms. i have been starting to see the protests taking place across the street from the white house.
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is spontaneous protests breaking out and we have seen calls for members of trump's national security team to resign and senior officials to resign. the country is taking it seriously from the reaction, but do you agree for calls for resignation that people should be out in the streets f. not now, when? >> when they leave, this could get worse. i know the people have been fired by president trump and i know that dilemma. i do think we need a greater national debate about what's going on. they need to speak out in not just the security voices. this a national security crisis and the president of the united states flew all the way to
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finland and met with putin and capitulated. it felt like appeasement watching it. there is no explanation to it. you have an explanation and we have been discussing possible scenarios. there is no way to describe it. do you really think that president trump cares about arms control? that was his big take away. we will do arms control now. i bet he doesn't even know what is in the new start treaty. when you think of it that way, you put it all together, you think why is it that he is so, so willing to step over himself to lavish praise on vladimir putin. i think the american people and our government demand that we get an answer to that question. >> michael mcfaul, i know it has been a long 24 hours. thanks for being with us. he is up before 5:00 in finland. this time of year finland is bright for a lot of the night, but that is a lot to ask. i will underscore that his
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bottom line assessment there, this is a national security crisis. this is a national security crisis as far as i can tell. the question is how we handle it. when we have a crisis in this country we look to the president to lead us. in this case it is the president and i'm not sure who will lead us out of this. we will find out soon. more to come here. stay with us. can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts,
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>> you are hearing you're the puppet. you're the puppet. so the president is home. just landed at andrew's air base and where upon welcome home, a humble and peaceful is protest was waiting for him across the street from the white house. we have a shot of the texas congressman with the bull horn there. also these giant illuminated letters that spell rail backwards, but they have it facing the right way for him to read it. welcome home, mr. president. thank you for being here. i want to give you the chance to respond to what you saw today. with the historian's eye, how big of a deal is this? >> we are living in a national emergency.
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we may not have known it 24 hours ago. we do now. i have been studying and writing about presidents since i was 20 years old and never thought i would live to say this. this is a pot who has now demonstrated he deserves suspicion and is acting on behalf of another country over his own. we had 44 presidents and never had the situation before. this is a real crisis. >> you describe this as a national engineer. the ambassador just described this as a crisis. a lot of it most dramatic history of the u.s. presidency is about presidents rising to the occasion or not at times as a national security crisis. watergate is the only other time i can think of in modern history where there was a national crisis where the president was the crisis or part of the crisis. that's why we keep going back to watergate. trying to understand the magnitude. when it's a foreign policy
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matter or intelligence matter like that and the president is not the 1 to lead the country out of this problem, do we have anything to understand who we look to leadership? >> sadly we don't. good thing we don't because nixon did terrible things, but no one suspected he was acting on behalf of russia or another foreign power. we can't look back and say this is the way we did it. on the other hand, this is the time for members of congress to step up, particularly members of donald trump's own party. republicans during richard nixon went to the white house and said you can't stay there anymore. this is not what our party stands for and we can no longer accept this. if we see members of republican leaders in the house and senate are saying this was a terrible conference, but we are still for donald trump, we have an even bigger problem. we also have elections this fall. >> also that question about
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