that does it for the beat. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. trump's two step. let's play "hardball." >> good evening, i'm chris matthews in san francisco. after giving vladimir putin a free pass on the world stage last night. donald trump is digging himself a deeper hole. nbc news reports late tonight that it was vice president mike

pence and pompeo who urged the president to change his comments. he said he misspoke when he didn't see why russia would interfere in the 2016 election. >> i realize there is a need for some clarification. it should have been obvious, i thought it was obvious but i would like to clarify just in case it wasn't. i said the word would instead of wouldn't. i thought it may have been unclear on the transcript or unclear on the actual video. it should have been i don't see any reason why it wouldn't be russia. sort of a double negative. so you can put that in. and i think that clarifies things. >> cannot erase the victory he

handed vladimir putin yesterday when he clearly said otherwise. >> my people came to me, dan coats said to me and others and said they think it's russia. i have vladimir putin, he just said it's not russia. i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> would. trump also said today that he banks the conclusion of u.s. intelligence community that russia interfered in the 2016 election. he said it could be other people who were also responsible. let's watch. >> while russia's actions had no impact on the outcome of the election, let me be totally clear in saying that and i have said this many times, i accept our intelligence community's conclusion that russia's meddling in the 2016 election

took place. could be other people also. there are a lot of people out there. >> now, feast your eyes on this. photographs of trump's prepared remarks appear to show that trump crossed out a line about bringing back election hackers to justice. came after he defended his shocking performance with putin. the fake news is going crazy. the outpouring of reaction from across the political spectrum speaks for itself. >> his smartest most loyal aides, and most trusted advisors have got to him and say listen, this is a grave mistake. >> i think it is bad day for the president. >> the president seems to give

vladimir putin assurances over the findings of the senate, the house and our intel agencies. dan coats, and that is not good. >> and to do that on the world stage to me is indefensible. >> i should have defended us. he should have defended his own intelligence community. >> his behavior in that press conference was unamerican, outrageous, ridiculous, stupid. >> trump made a mockery of the u.s. presidency today. he made a mockery of our country and shared values today. >> i think president trump was wrong yesterday in a major way. >> probably the low point of the presidency so far. >> the musings of an imbecile.

>> joining me now. ashley, after months of defending the president saying he didn't collude with the russians, looks like he is colluding with them today. who told him to change his tone today. >> john kelly was pushing, mike pence. a little bit of a lag from the white house because they were frozen getting no clarity from the top. because they first didn't understand if the president did in fact want to do some damage control or wanted to double down. there was an effort to push him there and that is what you saw today. him begrudgingly haltingly reading from the sheets something closer that the aides

wanted to express. >> who came out with this mickey mouse spin. it is a one step. you admit you made a mistake and while people are believing you, in those few seconds, you lie again. who taught him to do that one? >> i don't know who came up with the double negative defense. but i can tell you that a senior white house official say these are the president's words even though we have heard other people help massage and shape that statement. if you believe the white house top line spin, in theory, he came up with that. >> yeah, right. i understand that is what they would put out. michael, i want to reiterate this. we have been arguing this back and forth with the white house. i am all my own, i am utterly prepared to say anything he want

as a parrot. do you think he covered himself at all? or look more like a double downer? your thoughts? >> there is no coverage here at all. this was an attempt at double downing because it was written all over the president's face. his body language told everybody who was watching this, didn't want to say it, didn't believe what he was saying because he already told what he already thought. of all the clips you showed of my friends in the republican party. he does not trust, like, or want anything to do with our intelligence community. this is nothing difference, nothing new. the only difference is that he said it standing next to vladimir putin. this soul mate that he has an

infinity for has something far beyond what the republican party ever thought possible. will is no real new news here other than seeing with our eyes what we have heard out of the president's mouth for the last 18 months. >> i think i hear something, i like to watch how people move and what they are doing with their arms. and i got the sense that putin was in heaven. i was smirking as if he owned the guy. and trump seemed to be uncomfortable in the role of captive. you are the expert. >> vladimir putin is a human intelligence officer. a person who manipulated people to betray their people. steal technology. he is a former communist.

and now, and is now the president of russia. the only thing that i didn't see yesterday was exactly how putin could not move his fingers and make donald trump marionette around the stage. we saw a man who is being handled. and that is a professional term. and i think we can use that term less rhetorically now. i don't think donald trump did anything more than express the admiration and love and bromance. the problem is he came off as not the president of the united states but as a representative of the russian federation. we can use the term ultimate loyalty. >> dare talk about lee harvey

oswald killing kennedy. ahead of the meetings, staffers provided trump with some hundred pages of briefing materials aimed at laying out a tough posture against putin. but the president ignored most of it. one of the trump's national former security said this is a total effing disgrace, the president has lost his mind. mr. trump's mood grew foul as the breadth of the critical reactions became clear aides steered clear of the front of the plane to avoid being tapped. this backdrop was removed without explanation of his

schedule. how trump realized he was cornered at least in the short-term. >> the president was upset flying back even yesterday on air force one with the blanket negative coverage. he didn't like how it was being covered and he was surprised and shocked and then again frustrated even by his traditional republican allies including fox news being critical of him. there was a tweet by newt gingrich. he didn't provide that much clarity to his aides at first which froze everyone. so a situation where the white house communication office didn't know which message to push out. no trump surrogate supporting him on air. and with nudging, the president

did it looked like under duress, he did make his own notations and tweaks and flourishes in the margin. >> in contrast to the president, leader mitch mcconnell said today that congress is united and standing behind nato and offered a message of warning to russia. >> make no mistake about it, i would say to our friends in europe we understand the russian threat and that is a wide spread view here in the united states senate among members of both parties. there is a possibility that we may very well take up legislations. in the meantime the russians need to know there are a lot of us who fully understand what happened in 2016, and it better not happen again in 2018.

>> i would say in all fairness and with some respect, that mitch mcconnell is an iron butt republican. he doesn't move according to fashion. he stays where he is. why would any republican want to be seen as pals with putin? >> because that's what has been brought into the party and in large measure everyone has fallen in line with that. you look at the polls that now show that putin is growing among p popularity. it was 16, and now it is 25 points. you are right, mitch mcconnell of all the leaders in the house in the senate is that one anchor that the president should be

listening to. even when you give him the script to save his behind, he is going to write something in the margin and take it some place where it doesn't need to go. >> and disappearing ink. thank you, ashley parker. great reporting by the post. >> and michael steel, thank you for your reporting of the republican party. >> we got to understand these guys. they don't speak the truth. they look like they are sort of telling the truth and you have to be stupid to believe it is the truth. p putin was confronted with the latest indictment. and how did special counsel mueller happen in yesterday's summit. i think he saw some things. and with the threat to mueller's

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smile, let me finish. they say these units were specifically involved in hacking into democratic party computers, stealing information and spreading it to the world to try to disrupt american election. may i give this to you to look at, sir? >> translator: first of all, russia as a state has never interfered with internal elections. to do you really believe that someone acting from the russia territory could have influenced the united states and influenced the choice of millions of americans. >> i'm not asking if it was influenced. i am asking whether they tried. >> putin's denials fly in the

face of abounding evidence. guilty pleas from 32 people and three russian companies. around this time, a criminal complaint was unsealed in washington charging a russian national to conspiracy to act as a russian -- american politicians to create wedges that reduce trust and confidence in the democratic process. that is called, a smoking gun. this has implications for domestic politics because the case is as close as it gets to collusion. i am joined by politic reporter for the daily beast. and i want to give an overall

question. at the same time that we are gathering more and more evidence of collusion and involved by americans as intermediaries between us and the russians to discredi discredit, these people, like the president and putin are blatantly denying it all. it looked like trump covering up for putin yesterday. >> they are in denial about the paper trail. special counsel mueller are amassing every day pointing to the wide spread efforts. part of the reason the case is uniquely important is it is the first evidence we have seen that connects the united states citizen directly to russian

efforts. the indictment of maria betina specifically say there was an american people helping her. particularly people at a major gun rights. she had a u.s. citizen that was involved in this operation. according to the indictment knowingly helping her add vance the goals of the russian federation. >> why did trump act like not just a guy who defended putin in regard to some issues, but acted like simon and garfunkel. they were harmonizing. it was embarrassing. and he is the foe, competitor,

whatever you want to call him. can you explain? you have a lot of theories. is it because they got the dossier, on something else? mueller knows most of what putin knows. but putin knows the whole lie. why would trump act like he bought the lie to the guy he got the respect of. putin knows he is lying. >> you mentioned simon and gar funkle, this is a bridge over high water. none of this is new. he has said it multiple times. he has been colluding with putin to cover up, deny, dismiss, disregard a russian attack on the united states. he has done it time and time

again. before this even happened going back to 2013, we have talked about this, and this is in the book i wrote. from 2013 on, trump had this strong desire to be best friends with putin, a murderous thug. even before he ran for president, he had this psychological affinity for putin. so i do think the russians have something on him as they would on anybody who has travelled to russia that much. but i don't think putin needs to use it. i think he is drawn to putin the same way he is repelled -- he doesn't want to work with our allies. >> you can show respect for somebody without lip syncing.

putin was asked. listen to what he had to say about this. >> why is it that so many of the people that oppose vladimir putin end up dead or close to it? >> translator: well, first of all, all of us have plenty of political rivals. i am pretty sure that president trump has plenty. >> but they don't end up dead. >> translator: haven't presidents been killed in the united states. has kennedy been killed in russia or in the united states. or mr. king. all of us have our own set of domestic problems. >> betsy, the most outrageous statement ever made, and to say to bring out the case of lee harvey oswald who just came out of russia to shoot kennedy.

who had all kinds of communist connections including. they brought that problem to us. your thoughts. why kennedy? why lee harvey oswald? why would he do that? >> it is perplexing. perhaps he is suggesting that somehow what happened to jfk years ago is analogous to what is happening to putin's critics. another piece of the interview shortly after putin talked about, making the jfk analogy, people concerned by police violence, are somehow evidence that united states has the same

problems that russia has. they always point to sort of this broad civil rights criminal justice reform effort in the united states and try to suggest that it is evidence that the united states is not functioning well. when in reality peaceful protest is the best in this country. it is not a surprise that putin would use this stage that he had to try to take that same effort and undermine protesters. >> i watched his eyes looking at chris wallace who is a great reporter, he looked like he would like to get this guy into one of his chambers. thank you. next, did we witness collusion in plain sight? i think so. and what does mueller and experts see in that strange

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welcome back to "hardball." yesterday president trump said he saw no reason to believe that russia had interfered with the 2016 election. the washington post wrote an editorial and wrote in refusing to acknowledge the plain facts

when russia's behavior, while trashing his own country's justice, president trump -- the president also argued that the mueller probe was at fault for damaging the relationship between united states and russia. let's watch that joke. >> i think the probe is a disaster for our country. i think it has kept us apart. kept us separated. there was no collusion at all. everybody knows it and we won that race. and it is a shame that there can even be a little bit of a cloud over it. >> think about the dozens of indictments that exist. what is mueller's take away moments from yesterday's meeting in helsinki. joined by roy yyan costello and joyce.

in what they saw in helsinki and this cover up, what did they see that would propel their investigations and their mission? >> so i don't know that it propels their investigation directly, certainly a video tape of yesterday's press conference would be exhibit a if congress decided to take the proceedings. where it may prove interesting for mueller's team and this is one of those known/unknowns that we ponder. we don't know who all he considers to be a subject or target. watching their reactions between events. could be telling for mueller in terms of how and who you proceeds against. >> congressman, if barack obama

had talked like trump in the access hollywood tape, he would be removed for that. sold us out to the enemy, the way trump did, i believe impeachment would have been started. trump can get away with anything when it comes to the republican party. >> we would be certainly calling it an apology tour that is what i felt it was yesterday. the partisan dimension here shouldn't be avoided. but i want to hone in on something else that betsy mentioned and that is the real long-term damage here is in a state like bosnia and russia is going to have proxy candidates up and everyone is going to look at the president of the united states and say he heard what the intelligence community said in

his own country and he listened to vladimir putin and even he doesn't think that the russians are meddling in the election. that is the long-term serious damage to our country as the leader of the free world, our president and who we are as a country. if a democratic president had said what president trump had done, we would be lighting them up right now. >> do you think he was covering yesterday for putin or himself or both. i get the sense sometimes it is mainly for himself. if he admits that it was russians meddling in the election, he wasn't quite elected. your thoughts. >> you do hear, he conflates russian interference with delegitimizing his victory. he has to get beyond that. and i think the broader question as you have laid it out is, there is something about him and putin. he wants to be close to him for

some reason. i don't think there is collusion here and here is why. i don't think that vladimir putin has come to any sort of agreement with president trump. i think vladimir putin played him in helsinki and i think it is embarrassing for all of us to see. i have never seen in my lifetime and i have a lot of steve kornacki in me, i get really into it. i have never seen anything like that. it is disturbing. and the press conference with prime minister may was not any better. he was bauouncing all over the place as well. >> be willing to get out there and legislate a defense, a protection of mueller's investigation. >> well, we have a bill that does just that. but because you're not going to see mueller removed, i don't

think you are going to see any momentum or appetite to take that bill up. if there is one area where you could see some momentum, it would be in the senate and it would be on legislation that would impose additional sanctions if we see any evidence of russian interference in the 2018 midterm elections. and i have also sponsored a bill on the tariffs issue. to implement tariffs the way the president has done, is misguided and it is not allowed. in terms of what the president said at helsinki, there is no taking it back. there is nothing we can do from preventing him from saying something we can be embarrassed by. you need to see robust oversight, but the check and balance is in having members

speak out when they disagree or bothered by what he does. >> in reference to the four-year term, i have been told by lawyers that the russians could have been seen by having been involved in a conspiracy, if donald trump yesterday went on the national stage and furthered that conspiracy, further supported wouldn't he be criminally vulnerable, exposed? >> it is. conspiracy are interesting creatures. they are ongoing crimes and not committed one day like a bank robbery. they continue through a cover up on the end. if we assume there is a large overarching conspiracy here, then anyone who takes steps to continue to try to keep that conspiracy from coming to light

is guilty as part of that conspiracy process at least for aiding and abetting. >> thank you. congressman ryan costello, and joyce vance. up next, will republicans call out the president's wild spin today. this mickey mouse thing he said, i got the wrong word in there. plus president obama gave an amazing, i thought it was a good speech. you are watching "hardball." ♪ ♪ let your perfect drive come together at the lincoln summer invitation sales event. get 0% apr on select 2018 lincoln models plus $1,000 bonus cash.

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i accept our intelligence community's conclusion that russia's melddling in the 2016 election took place. it could be other people also. there are a lot of people out

there. >> welcome back to "hardball." attempting to clean up yesterday's press conference. first he admitted that he made a mistake and then he said something totally dishonest that all he did was forget to use the word not. let's bring in the round table. glad to have you all here. let me ask you dana, about the, what is this ridiculous mickey mouse little spin number he did. nobody thinks it was a missed word. the whole theme was that putin is swell, i love the guy. he didn't do anything wrong. >> if you miss a word, you correct it on the spot or at the very least when you are told about it a couple of minutes later. that picture of trump sitting there reading this forcibly, the only thing missing is john kelly under the table with the cattle

prod. it is a bit of a fig leaf. so if newt gingrich or fox news wants to say he retracted that, it might take some of the impetus out. it was the spectacle. tomorrow he will say it is the 400-pound man. >> when he said under duress, september of 16, he said oh, by the way, president obama was born in the united states. and two years of lying of it. >> it reminded me of the incident of charlottesville last year. he said one thing and got a lot of criticism. and when it was a day later, 24 hours later, back to the

original thing. >> what do his people think? what do his peeps think? these little fixes of his, do they believe he is doing that because the press makes him do it. >> i mean, first of all, dana is right, this was done because people in the republican party needed a fig leaf. but let's not give him that. he didn't take it back. what he said was, i believe our intelligence community but it could be someone else, the 400 guy in the basement. he knows it is a song and dance. they truly believe that the guy who stood up next to putin is the real trump and they don't mind it. as you saw the president this morning, he was saying rand paul

supports me. he has some of the most vigorous defenders in the trump party and they are transferred to donald trump. >> it wasn't just that he said would or would not. it wasn't one sentence. he said over and over, both countries were to blame for the bad relations. >> the walk back -- >> you guys got it figured it out. >> be able to say he walked it back. in the first major speech -- we got to go on. former president barack obama warned against the rise of strong man politics. and while he did not mention president trump by name he took subtle swipes at trump. >> politics of fear, and resentment and retrenchment began to appear.

and that kind of politics is now on the move. those in power seek to undermine. we see the loss of shame where they are caught in a lie and they double down and lie some more. >> let me go to anita, the crowd, the huge crowd here caught his idiom, his references. he was completely communicating with the crowd. i thought it was fantastic. your thoughts >> i have been surprised that we haven't heard more from him. he definitely has been holding back. democrats have been asking him, begging him, really, to get out there and counter president trump and he has resisted. and i think this is going to be the beginning of maybe, he will be doing more of this as he hits the campaign trail.

>> it is a delicate maneuver, you don't want this to become trump versus obama. obama is vital to rallying the vote, getting the vote. he is an absolutely essential asset but can't be the messenger for the democrats. >> can he take a punch at this point, the former president? >> can obama take a punch, sure. not weighing in on their successors in office. there is a lot of frustration about the fact that obama has been basically largely on the sidelines. weighs in with facebook posts. but he has largely refrained from getting at trump in a

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trump watch tuesday july 17, 2018. today trump the president of the united states engaged in damage control. forced by circumstances to get himself at least for a moment as either being seen as a liar or stupid. someone on his staff rehearsed him with spin. you must be telling the truth because just this moment you admitted something damaging to yourself. step 2, you use this moment of perceived honesty on your part to say something totally dishonest. following this two step method of spin, trump said he wanted to correct what he said yesterday in helsinki. and trump said the mistake he

made was he couldn't see why the russians wouldn't have interfered when he said wouldn't. he is simply spinning. and that is "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. all in wi"all in with chris hay starting right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> i will say this, i don't see any reason why it would be. >> i came back and said what is the big deal. >> to try and distinguish the fire storm he started. >> in a key sentence in my remarks, i said the word would instead of wouldn't. >> tonight, the inside story. the growing calls for republican