hello, i am aaron gillchrist in new york. a secret recording michael cohen made regarding karen mcdougal. they waived any attorney/client privilege. rudy giuliani said there seemed no point in objecting accept on principal. cohen and trump discuss whether or not to reimbus the parent company for mcdougal's story.

she claimed to have had an affair a decade ago. donald trump tweeted. it is inconceive able for an attorney to tape a client. perhaps illegal. >> it is a great point, so much of this can be hard to follow. after the april fbi ready on michael cohen's raid. determine what if any of it was subject to attorney/client privilege. we now learned that the trump team wavered attorney/client privilege. they are talking about a plan to pay for the rites of the story for mcdougal, who alleges she had a ten-month affair with

trump in 2016 -- 2006. >> he said he will no longer with the sacrificial lamb. is there any concern coming out of the white house? >> the michael cohen situation has been unnerving, among president's friends and advisors, the wide spread fraud investigation poses a more direct threat. than the russia investigation. the president's long time attorney, friend and fixer. the investigation being covered by the southern district of new york, one of the reasons why the signals of the cohen camp are of concern to the president. he said he would protect the president to the very end. saying he will put his family

and country first. the shift and tone is not only from the cohen side. trump said he likes and respects cohen. and now, today, the am recording, perhaps unethical for sure, not illegal. >> in your mind, what would the president has to worry about if cohen decides to cut a deal ask corporate? >> he was going back a decade, he was involved in all sorts of real estate deals, any illegality there, he knows about it, he can talk to authority bs that. the payments to the two women who allege they had affairs. if they were made they were not

accounted for they could talk to him about that. and the russia investigation. he is the subject of allegations that he was a go between, between the trump campaign and the russians, he denied that if he know knows anything about the collusion, that can be concerning. >> who leaked it, how it got out there? we don't know. rudy giuliani are saying, it is exculpatory. we will have to wait to see. perhaps it is not incriminating in a criminal sense.

we will have to wait to see what is on the tape. >> thank you. bringing in our guests. he is the author of power wars are the relentless rise of presidential authority and secrecy. and new york 1 political reporter, and michael fabian, white house correspondent for the hill. >> i want your take on judy giuliani waiving that privilege claim, because it was already out there. now, prosecutors can review the recording, see if it is of use to them in court what. is the legal strrg here? >> by waiving privilege, it is suggesting there is nothing incriminating on the tape. i would point out that rudy

giuliani and the president's legal team used unorthodox practices, turning into this political fight. going after robert mueller. right now, the strategy is not entirely clear. >> giuliani told your colleges at the times, that mr. trump directed mr. cohen, if he sent a payment to the woman to use carb, it was cohen that they would use cash, reaction. >> they are probably coming from the same source. everybody is garbled out of trump land. one of the two are true. i am not sure of the significan significance, cash versus check. the legal significance, was it

bank fraud. build on the attorney they thought they would lose if they envoked attorney-client privilege. looking like they were trying to cover up something. remember, not every conversation between someone and his lawyer is covered by anticipation of litigation. discussion of payments to the "national inquirer" is a long way as the legal team was shares information. my college rachael mad dltd dough, has the. >> the president's lawyers

decided to get out ahead of this. they found out during the process of going through the evidence seized through michael cohen, that tape about you paying mcdougal, that is one of the i thinks that the prosecutorses are going to get here. i made i i think it is something that president's legal team released. >> i don't agree or disagree. we don't know who at this point was behind it. there was dispute about what was in the tape. the fact that trump legal team waives attorney/client privilege, means we may hear the contents. if the trump team, whatever is

on the tape may be damaging to him. they are trying to apply pressure to him. after the release of the tape. it allows him to send the tweet, accusing michael cohenn, having done an illegal act taping him. the law in new york, you don't need consent from bothy parties is correct. >> we heard from michael coney's attorney in a statement, reading, there is offensively anon als guess investigation. when the recording is hurt, it will not hurt mr. cohen. any attempt at spin can't hurt what is on the tape.

>> the thing most interesting to me about it, the signs of escalating tensions, and rve maybe open hostility that have broken out s for a long time. president trump was trying to keep him close, assures the he is separately saying his first locality is to his faely and his country s these two men are no longer on the same team. and the idea of pardons as a way to get people to say close to him. less and less and spill the beeps whatever the beans may be.

>> stormy daniels' lawyer, what he had to say about the new revelations. >> this is not the only tape with his voice on it i know this for a fact. if he knew others would be making amounts that may, in fact, clusion. criminal in nature. >> this conversations, reports two mr.s there before. would it i think you will would have to improve intent. we went through this with

questions of a payment to a mistress. the case law there, isn't, one this is the excuse they made for the stormy daniels payments, michael cohen took kafr of all of it if he knew about the there is a question whether or not he knew about stormy daniels, and we will leave it here for now. thank you. russia is demanded the release their latest attempt to free marina bo

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. i mean, i had some of these fools from the media, saying why didn't you stand there, look him in the face, walk over to him and start shouting at him? are these people crazy? i want to make a deal. i want to make a deal. you can't do that. >> president trump, defending his approach with dealing with valdimir putin. his his perceived fail uure.

in the middle east, russia continues to back syrian president asad. that bloody conflict is in the seventh year. 12 russian military officers for indicted for hacking the dn ympt c, and hillary clinton's presidential campaign. nbc military analyst and general thank you for being here. i want to get your reaction to the helsinki summit and fall out. >> i have been involved with the last four president's national security. in the room or dealing with the principles. i think we no longer have a national security process. we have a one man, personality-driven, movement. the government doesn't know what it is doing.

thank god we have islands of professionals, secretary mattis, and pompeo at skate. the world turned upside down. we attack our allies, france, germany, great britain, canada, yet we embrace this murderous thug, putin. who he is confronting western europe, and national interests. it doesn't make sense. >> bloomberg is reporting. is this proposal a tough sell, do you think? >> it is not going to happen. it is ludicrous, a way for the russians, using covert military force, to seize land and conduct a trumped up, forgive the pump,

to val dade it. that is not how we change international law. a president with no guidance or oversight, no participation. >> poor syria is never going to get put back together. right now, there is a coalition of our adversaries the iranians, this asad regime, essentially winning the war for a variety of reasons. you know, i think that than is how it will come out. the notions to get the russians,

with a weak hand in syria, pick up fighter bombers artillery. they can't order the iranians out of the country. if president trump thinks he is getting a deal to keep the iranians in their national. >> why do you think president trump is taking this stance on russia. >> the generous explanation, any idea of russia as a threat would dele jit myself his election. some respect for strong man,

putin, this kind of thing, it is hard to understand that. at the end of the day, this is calling serious problems for u.s. national security. our allies are losing confidence in us. the enemies are embolden. there is no consistency to what we say. the japanese, the south we need a process. we need congress engaged, in national security policy. >> we appreciate your time today. >> good to be with you. >> boy or girl? many are doing away with gender stereotypes, keeping the gender a cret. the digital team explains.

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>> as the white house announces a possible second summit with valdimir putin. this comes amid a damage control during the week of what happened in hel senky. then, appearing to deny that russia was targeting the u.s. and surprising coats, learns of putin invited to the white house. >> ned, you were there, you were

in the room when dan coats learned about the invitation for putin to the white house. here is a look at that moment. >> we have breaking news, the white house announceod twitter that valdimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again? >> valdimir putin -- >> okay. that's going to be special. >> we hear the laughter, tell us about the reaction from the room when that happened. >> well, aaron, it was an extraordinary moment. the audience reacted in the way you would expect. oddable gasps, and stunned silence turned to laughter. director coats, taking part in the laughter himself. the first reactions from the

audience, that stunned silence that turned to gasps and laughter, we all learned together that our director, our spy master, the man to know all the secrets was in the dark, kept in the dark by his own president. by our commander in chief, something that intelligence community has a deep equity n hoping they will be involved in putin's visit. >> do you see any correlation between the president's comments this past week, and the investigation into collusion? >> yes, this president has been colluding with the russians for a long time. he may be financially dependent on the russians, we don't know, he won't release tax returns, he goes to russia for business deals, they colluded in trump tower, getting the dirt on hillary out.

we know about that. now, this president is leaving his national security advisors in the dark, and repeatedly tried to stop the russian investigation, firing the fbi director and threatening to fire robert mueller. this is a dangerous situation for the united states to have a long standing adversary such as russia, literally own our president. to the extent that president trump is inviting putin to the white house, without checking in with the national security advisors, finding out what is going on. gets the national security briefings from fox news. it is amazing. >> thank you. ned, i want to read something, we got a statement from the director of national intelligence, dan coats about his comments at the gathering there. i see, i ask you both to weigh in on this. it says, press coverage m

mischaracterized by response, it was in no way meant to be disrespectful or criticize the actions of the president. i and the intel community are provided to prevent russian meddling in upcoming elections, to build strong relationships in order to maintain peace, denuclearize nation, and your reaction from that statement from mr. coats. >> well, it is clearly damage control. trying to stay in the president's good graces. he was blind sided by the fact that president trump instructed,

nor, does it change the fact that director coats clearly said that he would have advised against a one-on-one meeting, which he will do when valdimir putin comes to the white house. it doesn't change the substance of what we learned from the director himself. >> and this new statement from director coats? >> well, my reporting is that this statement is the result of back and forth negotiations, from the office of national sbrgs and the white house. clearly, there it was discomfort about the way the coats' remarks came off. he seemed to be mocking the president. i don't think that is what coats intended at all. this was a statement, to make sure coats can keep his job. there has been speculation, that coats could be fired. resign. coats clearly wants to stay in the job. this is the bid to do so. we will see if this satisfies

those white house officials who are angry about what transpire. >> you are saying that the washington wanted him to put this statement out or vice versa? >> my understanding, there were negotiations, i am not sure who wanted what. there was a meeting of the minds about this statement. and the language that you are seeing here is a result. some people, who are glad that coats took the stand will be upset that he is sort of partially walking it back. at the same time, he wants to keep his job. this appears to be his effort to do so. >> your reaction from the director, that he was not trying to be disrespectful or criticize the president. >> he is trying to hold on to his job. he was shocked. it is lud ris, that you would invite putin to come to the white house, not checking with your security people first.

again, it is a dangerous situation for the united states. our government is being infiltrated by a foreign adversary. it is important that administration do what they can to protect our country, until we get president trump out of there. that is the job of congress. >> i have to ask you, someone who worked with the national security council, i know the president does not have to seek advice from anyone in his decision making process. how unusual it is for the director of national intelligence to be unaware, before the president invites, someone who has been so controversial across the globe. how unusual, it wasn't be a broader conversation with the dni. >> if the invitation was were extended to any other head of state or ali. when it comes to the

adversaries, and the flash points, countries like russia, it is extraordinarily unential that director of national intelligence would be aware of that before hand. >> the director the national intelligence, along with the cia director in the administration, is a member of that security council. they would sit around a table in the white house situation room. discuss the pros and cons, whether or not the enang gaugement and come to a decisioned it. that is not to say that the director of national intelligence would have a sat. not a veto power. donald jump to tell bolton to extend the invite. >> thank you. we will be right back.

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>> breaking news, the white house announced on twitter that valdimir putin is coming to the white house in the fall. >> say that again. brn laughter). >> did i hear you? >> okay. that will be special. >> director of national

intelligence there with andrea mitchell there, is the breaking news now, coats released a new statement, regarding his comments regarding the summit with valdimir putin. he said, some press coverage his mischar rised my intentions in responding to breaking news, presented to me during a live interview. my admittedly awkward response was in no way to meant to be disrespectively or criticize the president. >> in his recentlyinal statement, coats said this. we have been clear in our assessments of russian meddling in the election, and their ongoing pervassive efforts to

undermine our democracy. >> former chair of the does. c democratic party and the national bar association, i will ask you first. both weigh in on what director coats said today. susan, i will start with you? >> i think he is trying to clean up a bit of a mess for him with the president. the president was very upset. it has been reported how dan coats conducted himself during that interview. i think that probably overreacted. dan coats was taken completely off guard. breaking news on twitter came out of andrea mitchell's mouth and followed by putin is coming to the white house. i don't know how else he could have reacted. he is doing his clean up. dan coats is such a patriot. he believes in serving the president with heart and soul. it bothered him to look like he

was not being respectful of the president. >> let me say this this can't be cleaned up. the statements that you read are muchly exclusive and accurate. they don't change anything. you were on live tv, dan coats was on live tv. i think dan coats had a lot of authenticity. i think he thought an dre'a was joking. he is in front of hundreds of people. his reac was not disrespectful. it was, are you serious? so, these statements don't clean up much. it doesn't take away and didn't go well for the president or this country. dan coat system a patriot. he can't move on from this. donald trump drove this narrative. donald trump should be

apologizing to dan coats. >> not only is that a great point. the fact that donald trump would do this to begin with. just shows such a fundamental dysfuction in the white house among the intel community that serves. >> let's get into the politics on this. the walk back from the director of national intelligence. what is the response from democrats, we will see a chuck shumer statement? >> i think this whole thing will probably, the reaction of dan coats, i should focus on, will be put to bed over this. what the democrats will focus is, and i can understand, how is donald trump running his shop? that is a fair question. democrats, republicans respect dan coats, they don't want to see him get fired. that is the last thing this country needs. we will probably see the issue

move on to putin and what the relationship that donald trump has with him. >> maybe, maybe not. i can see that video running over and over again. in democratic ads for the mid terms to show incompetent, takes russia seriously or not. with the mueller investigation, and collusion between the president and russia, all that comes alongside with that 30 people have been indicted, including russian officials, i think we will see that video again. not because of dan coats, because of the campaign, and donald trump, the democrats will run that tape over and over again. >> you can't ignore the fact, the director was taken by surprise. it was clear there. does that speak to a larger

issue? >> how do you have someone that knows everything in the organization, not be looped in before the rest of us find out about something. >> it is shocking and disturbing, and this is not how our government should be running. you should not have the head of our intelligence division surprised by a visit by valdimir putin. there are some saying, donald trump did this because he was watching the interview as it was held on all three capable news networks, he was watching t and didn't like it, and wanted to change the conversation. that is crazy. that is not how we are supposed to run a government. and want how we deal with our enemies. >> thank you. >> happening now, an emotional news conference wrapped up in branson missouri. tia coleman lost nine members of

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we appreciate you being here today. i had a chance to see the movie and just in credibly thought o provoking film. i want to start with the white voice. what does the white voice symbolize in the film? >> well, as danny glover's character likes to explain -- first of all, i want to say that clip is edited because there are different levels to it. he says i'm not talking about will smith white. that ain't white, that's just proper. that's one set of things we're not even talking about that. some people are like what you are talking about talking white? that's speaking properly. and we're not talking about that. in this, there's a magical white voice that is almost a mythical thing that he says that even white folks are performing when they're doing it because it's giving off this sense that everything's okay. that all the bills have been paid, that you don't really need this money when you're over the

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necessi they worry when the unemployment rate is low. poverty is bumeilt into capitalism. they try to blame it on the folks that are impoverished. one way they do that is through the racist tropes. the opposite voice is -- that when black folks are trying to pretend that they're white over the phone is different than just regular cold switching because you may be trying to hide the fact that you're black because you're talking to folks that have this built in racism. and you want to -- you know, make a sale. >> let me ask you about the politics. you wrote this screen play in 2012. obviously we were in a different political time then. did you have to make adjustments to the current political environment before this film made it to the screen? >> yeah. so i wrote this. i finished writing in 2012.

we published it as a screen play in 2014. all of these things that -- all the story was there. it was just as relevant then. unfortunately, it was relevant 20, 40 years ago. in our 2014 version we had a line which is just mr. blank that his character said which was -- and there's a company there called worry free that is a slave labor company. and he says, worry free is making america great again. and that was in the 2014 version. we had to take it out because the real world had made my screen play too on the nose. >> just a few seconds left here, you described "sorry to bother you" as a dark comedy with magical realism and sci-fi. and the film does take some odd twists, i have to say. how do you think this film is going to resonate with your

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