tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC July 22, 2018 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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actually knowing how to get them back together so i don't think the government's going to be able to do that. >> right. i'm watching for mike pompeo on the hill to testify about everything that we just talked about, so it's going to be a big week ahead. that's all for us tonight, back with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. for now, good night from washington. we've got some fresh reporting to add to a couple of the big stories of the day. first, we can report tonight that in the trial of the president's campaign chairman, paulmaniford, and lawyers who are overseeing the trial, received the list of potential jurors in the jury pool for the case. now, we have been expecting the case to start in federal court in virginia on wednesday. this indicates this is on track, and according to our reporting from a source close to the case, both sides now have a list of
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potential jurors. we expect the potential jurors to show up at the courthouse on tuesday when the potential jurors get there tuesday, they'll start filling out paperwork and answering questionnaires. those will be the initial steps in the jury selection process for the manafort trial, but it's interesting. before the jurors go into court on tuesday, there's going to be one more hearing before the trial starts monday morning in judge ellis's courtroom in virginia. this is the hearing that judge ellis delayed earlier this week. that raised a lot of eyebrows because judge ellis never delays anything so that raised intrigue about whether or not there might be some meaningful change going on in the paul manafort's case, considering a plea deal, it now appears that that is not what's going on. again, according to a source close to the case, there's no signs of any sort of plea negotiations going on on the part of paul manafort, the trump
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campaign chairman. we'll see the judge monday morning, he'll hold the hearing, and what we consider to be manafort's final pre-trial motion do delay the trial for several months. you know, the caution here is anything can happen. we'll all find out soon enough when the things start to unfold before our eyes, and in federal court next week, but it now seems safe to surmise judge ellis on monday will not be inclined to grant manafort's motion to delay the start of the trial. not seeming that way with the judge sending out the list of potential jurors to the prosecution and defense today. all the jurors have been told to turn up on time on tuesday morning. it does look like paul mamafort is not going into plea negotiations. we are surmising that it looks like his trial is not going to be delayed. jury selection's about to start, and it looks like he's on trial wednesday next week.
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we have known this was coming nor a long time, right? the whole way, we wondered if there's going to be an offramp if mamafort will stop fighting charges and fight with prosecutors. we'll get to the trial without that happening. so we've been expecting this. we've been watching this get closer and closerment don't lose sight of the fact, step back for a second and recognize this is historic. this is a historic thing that potentially has big contemporary consequences. i mean, this is the sitting president's campaign chairman, being tried on multiple felony counts, in open federal court just outside washington, d.c. it's a trial that anybody can watch, lots of drama like witnesses granted immunity in order to testify whose identi identities we don't know and won't know until they are in court. there's also manafort's campaign deputy chair, previously charged along with paul, but he flipped
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and went state's evidence so presumably we'll hear from him in the trial as well. deputy chairman of the donald trump for president campaign, and now donald trump is president, and the trial is about to start. this spectacle is in gear, and they are reporting the list of potential list of jurors has been distributed to the prosecution and defense in the case, and so that means that it really looks like we're on track. also, late last night, another 1,452 documents, files, and other items were handed over prosecutors in the southern district of new york. these are federal prosecutors on the u.s. attorney's office in manhattan. these 1400-odd some items were handed over to prosecutors by the special master who is
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reviewing evidence in the special investigation of michael cohen, the president's long time personal attorney and executive at the president's business, the trump organization. the 1400 documents are items that michael cohen's lawyer and/or president trump's lawyers had actually singled out and said documents were privileged not to be given to prosecutors. l late last night, the special prosecutor rejected the claim that the items were privileged, saying, no, they are not privileged, but going to prosecutors despite your objections. now, no criminal charges brought against cohen, but he is the subject of an active criminal investigation that gave rise to the search warrants which were used to obtain all the millions of documents from his home and office and safety deposit box even from a hotel room in which he was living and had weeks and weeks now of back and forth in court over whether federal prosecutors would actually get
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to see the stuff that was seized, whether they'd get to see and use these documents and files taken from cohen under the search warrants. cohen argued some documents can't go to prosecutors because he's an attorney and some of the documents seized by the government represent confidential communications between him and his clients, and, therefore, not to be handed over to prosecutors, and prosecutors should never see them. we had weeks of wrangling over whether had this stuff is privileged. you'll remember at the start of it after cohen was raided, the legal team started off in court stating millions of documents seized would be privileged. turned out to be covered by prp it's not worked out that way at all. everything seized from michael cohen has been reviewed by the special master overseeing the evidence in this case and upon her review, ultimately, almost
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nothing has been found to be covered by attorney-client privilege. as a consequence of that, almost everything seized from michael cohen has been handed over are using that evidence and anything else turn the in the investigation to decide whether or not they are going to bring federal criminal charges against michael cohen. that said, there's new reporting, right here, right now, that says one very, very news-worthy item seized from michael cohen, part of the process, actually is one of the few items in this case that was marked privileged. that was considered to be an attorney-client privilege communication that prosecutors could not get. again, in the grand scheme of things, almost nothing was labeled by the special master as, okay, yeah, that's privileged, prosecutors can't get it. this item you have heard so much about today actuallyfuls labeled privileged. this is the tape you've heard so
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much about today, in which michael cohen is said to have recorded himself talking in perp with donald trump in september 2016, two months before the election, taking reportedly about $150,000 payment made to karen mcdougal, saying hit was not a one-off sexual encounter or a sexual harassment case, but said she had a long consensual affair with president trump. the president's friends at the supermarket cowboy, national inquirer, they paid karen $150,000 in august 2016, so a month before the taped conversation we learned about today, and that payment from the national inquirer to karen in august 2016, appears to have been sort of a hush money variation. kind of a riff on the hush money theme. it was a payment that quite clearly, that publication made
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to benefit then presidential candidate donald trump, but the question is exactly how. they paid karen for exclusive rights to the story of her alleged long affair with candidate trump. they then didn't publish the story. bottom line, it's hush money, she's paid, story goes away, weeks later, president trump is elected president, ta-da! open questions as to the nature of the payment and potential criminal liability that may attend to that payment. now that the "new york times" broke the story the tape exists talking about the payment, and there's one part of the story that's really important now to understanding why we've all learned about this today and what it might mean, and who might conceivably be in trouble because of it. deep in the story today, the time noted, quote, mr. cullen's lawyers discovered the recording
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as part of the review of materials seized from cohen's home and office, and cohen's lawyers then shared it with mr. trump's lawyers. the times say three people cited in order to make that claim. there's an open criminal investigation into michael cohen. the part of the investigation, fbi seizes tons of stuff from him, and among seized was a recording that cohen apparently made of himself talking with candidate trump about this payment. over this week's long, now month's long back and forth process we've watched where this court is reviewing all the stuff that was seized from cohen to figure out which is considered attorney-client prooif ledivile cohen's attorneys came across the recording of the items seized, reviewed it, shared it with donald trump's attorneys, and if this new reporting we got tonight from emily james fox at vanity fair is true, that the tape was marked privileged, that
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means a specific thing. that means prosecutors would never have gotten it. so that means the only people who would have had access to this thing is michael cohen's lawyers and president trump's lawyers, and they didn't leak it so by process of elimination, president trump's lawyers leaked it. so all this breathless reporting today, oh, look what they got on trump, oh, this looks bad for trump. don't get your chain yanked. what appears to have happened here, president trump's lawyers found out the tape existed, and for obvious reasons, they realize it was a potentially pretty ugly thing for the president to have exposed or brought up in court as a surprise. so, today, the president's lawyers, themselves, appeared to have leaked the existence of this tape to get out ahead of the story. so, yeah, the story appears to be real. today is the day in american history where we get the headline about the fbi seizing a
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tape of the president discussing a secret payment to a playboy model before the election. right? you should know the reason we got the headlines today is because the president's legal team decided that you should see this story today. they did it themselves. you can think of a few rationale reasons why they might have done that. i mean, number one, i have no idea if this was m.i., but there's something else on the front page for once after five straight days of, hey, the president actively working as an agent of the russian government? this is treason week, right? this is the story of the week, which has not gotten better over the course of the week. today, it did get reports of a tape. yeah, these reports today are about a new trump scandal too, but at least it's a different scandal than whether or not he's controlled by russia.
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other effects of the action today also by releasing the story themselves today, the president's lawyers, i think, hope to share, to shape nationtivnatio narratives of the tape and lessen impacts if it arrived later on as a surprise. one of the president's lawyers, rudy, tried to sell reporters today that the point of the tape was, quote, in the big scheme of things, it's pretty powerful evidence. actually, it's the president on tape talking about paying off a playboy model who he says he previously definitely did not have an affair with and had noed why she was paid. there's a lot of things there. the president's lawyers assume that if they could release this information on their own time and put their own kind of spin on it, however ridiculous, maybe somebody is dumb enough to believe it. i think they are trying to get out ahead of the story so it's theirs and no one else's. here's another dynamic at work,
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though, making the new reporting we got from emily james fox important. the special master we viewing evidence in the michael cohen criminal investigation processed millions of documents already, right? handed almost all of them over to the prosecutors in the southern district of new york. those prosecutors have been weighing that evidence, while they decide whether or not they are going to bring criminal charges against michael cohen. that process has been going on for a long time. it will not go on indefinitely. it will come to a close. and then if prosecutors are going to bring charges, mr. cohen and lawyers will have to start talking to the prosecutors about the kinds of charges cohen might face, and the prospect he might try to get a break from the government, get lenience from the government in exchange for cooperation. cooperation in this case means he'll give them some information, information that would be of greater value to those prosecutors than whatever
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value they might see in putting him in jail. now, if they got the goods on you and you're facing serious charges, you got to have something really good to give them in order to persuade prosecutors to accept information you give them for not nailing you to the wall. the worse trouble you're in, the better story you have to give prosecutors about what matters to them. if one of the things that michael cohen had was a recording the president two months before the election discussing a secret payment to a playboy model to avoid disclosure of extramarital affair with her before the election, publicly denying the affair and any knowledge of any such payment to her, that might be seen by prosecutors as a valuable thing that michael cohen could provide to them and testify about and talk to them about. remember, if this recording was, in fact, marked privileged, that means prosecutors did not have it. micah cohen had it.
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he was in a position to potentially make that available to them. instead, the president's lawyers leaked the existence of the tape and made it public anyway, and in doing so, trump's lawyers essentially have taken this away as something that michael cohen might have otherwise been exclusively able to offer prosecutors for their pursuit of any other charges and any other people who they might be interested in. micah cohen would need to be able to give prosecutors valuable that they need in order to get a good deal from prosecutors, right? this presumably reduces cohen's chances of getting any sort of great deal, at least to the extent it hinged on a piece of evidence he gis them about the president. now, obviously, the president right before the election talking about a secret payout to a playboy model is potentially definitely lured interest, potentially of political importance. would it be of interest legally
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to prosecutors? we don't know for sure. we publicly won't know until we see if it comes up in court or an indictment. there's a number of ways in which this reported payment to karen might be legally consequential for the president. this is just, right, this is in the abstract given what we know of the described conversation. starting with the least serious, this may impact the president's financial disclosure forms. president's lawyer today suggested that the conversation on the tape was about whether or not trump should reimburse the national enquirer. if so, that indicates the $150,000 payment was made to her on donald trump's behalf. he'd always intended on paying it back. in this case, it was a loan to him. any such loan would have been disclosed on financial disclosure forms.
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there's that. in terms of seriousness, this payment puts the president on the hook legally in terms of campaign finance violations. if that payment was knemade to influence the elections, protecting trump from embarrassment, that payment would have affected campaign donations, and not processing that kind of do nation properly or accepting a donation that large, that's a sort of thing that post of the time gets you a slap on the wrist and fine, but if it's a knowing woeful violation, that's a criminal matter for the president. kind of thing for which a person could go to jail. stick a pin in that. we'll come back to that. further up the chain for serious consequences, depending on the nature of the payment and so-called contract that karen entered into with the national enquirer on the president's behalf, there's the possibility fraud is a relevant consideration here.
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if that contract was fraudulently drawn up so it was not what it said it was for, fraud, criminal fraud, would be imp ka implicated here. as a close cousin, there's a possibility of money laundering concerns here. if the source of the funds was disguised or ultimate recipient of the funds disguised looking like someone else's money is moving through the channels going elsewhere than where it's actually going, that's money laundering potentially. now, if any of those potential charges were going to be pursued here around this hush money payment, for a number of them, particularly campaign finance possibilities, prosecutors would likely need testimony or some other evidence to show the mind set of the people involved in this alleged crime while when the violations were committed. if and when the tape turns up in a criminal trial, you'd expect cohen ends up on the stand testifying to the authenticity and context of the institutidis.
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you might expect that mr. cohen and other person in the conversation might both have to testify as to what the conversation was about, what it was understood to be about, what they meant, whether they acted on what was described in the conversation. mr. cohen was one of two parties in the conversation, and the president was the other person. i mean, learning about the existence of the tape was good for headlines. the americans hearing the tape will result in larger impact if and when that happens. imagine how the white house feels about the president testifying in court or before a grand jury as to that payment. the meaning of the conversation, whether or not it implements criminal behavior. because of the privilege issues here, because of who had access to the thing, it looks like it's the president's own legal team that put this out in order to get ahead of the story, and maybe in so doing they reduced the chances that michael cohen
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flips and turns state's evidence against the president, but the prospect of the president ends up in legal wrangling about these types of payments and coverups, it's an uncomfortable prospect for the white house. this is not the russia scandal at all, but for all the reporting seen that the white house in some ways is more scared about the michael cohen case than they are about the russia case, i mean, this is -- this is why, right? we now know there's at least one tape of trump and cohen talking about stuff the president publicly denied. apparently, the president did not know that tape recording existed until it turned up in what was seized by the fbi. that brings us to just one last point. the only way this is not a great source of adjectives in the white house tonight is if the president is pretty sure he won't ever get questioned about this stuff. if the president has some reason to believe, you know, push comes to shove, we'll mitigate this to the end, but in the end, i know i'm not bothered or touched in
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any way by this, by any inquiry on this or any other matter while president, if the president is pretty well asure -- assured of that as president, that would be a great load off the white house's mind at a time like this. while there is a magic wand that the president is trying to wave in order to get that for his presidency. that magic wand is named brett cavanaugh, president trump's choice for the supreme court, strongly voiced him, positions among conservative lawyers and judges, but there's a stance that sets the judge apart, and it could not be more timely. his deep skepticism of the wisdom of forcing a sitting president to answer questions in criminal cases. quote, it is not at all far-fetched to think the question of whether president trump must respond to a subpoena
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comes to the supreme court before the next supreme justice, says the acting general of the united states saying, quote, i don't know of any judge that staked out as strong a position on presidential immunity even from questioning as judge kavanaugh has. i know this is different parts of the universe crashing into each other, right, but this is where they overlap, the russia scandal, michael cohen, persosu court nomination, and the white house was absolutely aware that flynns of the subject of an open investigation when the president went to the fbi director pressuring the fbi to end that investigation. can the president be questioned about whether or not that was obstruction of justice? as said last night, he was trying to influence that open fbi investigation. was that actually criminal obstructi obstruction? when does the president get asked about that? on the michael cohen case, if on
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the case, the president is planning to reimburse this publication that paid off the alleged mistress to keep the story out the press before the election, was this a criminal finance -- criminal campaign finance violation to put a guy in jail? could that hush money payment that the president apparently lied about and didn't know about it, could that further criminally imp kate him in terms of fraud, money laundering, or anything else more serious? completely separate and apart from whether or not he and the campaign were involved in the russia attack, the other big story this week, right, these other things are absolutely live, active criminal inquiries at this moment. here's the president's nominee for the supreme court in this environment. quote, we should not burden a sitting president with civil suits, criminal investigations, or criminal prosecutions. i believe that the president should be exexcucused from the burdens of ordinary citizenship while serving in office. congress should enact a law, quote, providing any personal
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civil suits against presidents be deferred while in office. congress should consider doing the same with respect to criminal investigations and should be exempt from investigations including be exempt from questioning by criminal prosecutors or defense counsel. quote, even the lesser burdens of a criminal investigation including preparing for questioning by criminal investigators, they are time consuming and distracting. like civil suits, this takes the president's focus away from responsibilities of the people, moreover, indictment and trials of the sitting president would cripple the federal court. this would misserve the public interest. how did you pick that guy? with the russian investigation, with the obstruction of justice investigation, michael cohen investigation, with the
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the fbi searched the apartment, office, and hotel room of the president's personal lawyer, michael cohen, monday, april 9th, and four days later, this was "washington post," worried they may have seized repo recordings made by his attorney. gulp. same day, four days after the raid, "new york times" said president trump called mr. cohen to, quote, check in. well, now, today, the times reported one of the many items seized in the early april raid was a recording of the president and cohen discussing payments made to a former playboy model, a woman who says he had an affair with the president. the president denied the affair and having knowledge of any such payment made to herment joining us now is emily james fox,
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herself, reported out an important new piece of this story. she's also the author of "born trump," thank you being here, appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> the piece you reported, i think, seems important to me in terms of understanding here is that this tape, described today in the "new york times" was deemed privileged, deemed covered by attorney-client privilege by the special master who is reviewing evidence seized? >> long time person familiar with the situation told me this evening this was deemed privileged by the special master, but that the president's attorney waived the prif levile and i just spoke with rudy, the president's attorney, was not sure if it was deemed privilege, but effectively, they waived privilege today by speaking about what was on the tape. >> that's what you do, talk about the thing. >> detailed transcript of the tape. what was interesting, though, is that the transcript as described
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by rudy says one thing, and people close to michael cohen said, well, that's not how we hear the conversation. >> describing it differently. >> lightly differently. >> what's the difference? rudy says it's exculpatory. >> that's the difference. the people say it's not completely exculpatory but the details about reported today by mr. rudy or described by him are in direct contrast to what was said. in fact, issue of who brought up paying for something in cash versus who brought up paying for something with a check is directly opposite. >> so rudy is saying that part of the reason this is exculpatory is the president wanted to pay by check rather than cash. >> because it's true in spirit to do so. >> and those close to cohen said
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it was me you pay by check, the president wanted to pay by p ca cash. >> correct. he said it was created by three lawyers, the transcript, clearly identify this as mr. trump having said this was a check. >> we'll find out, presumably. >> possibly. >> well, that's, okay, that's why this sounds like we're talking about around the edges of the story, and, obviously, there's the big centerpiece here, alleged affair and woman paid to not talk about it. when it comes down to criminal liability and potential legal woes, reason that privilege point seems important to me is the special master says it's privilege, and what she's saying is this can't go to prosecutors. the fact this came into the public domain today with the president's lawyer talking about it and describing it, means that the prosecutors now have access to it. that means if michael cohen was planning on delivering this to prosecutors when they otherwise
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couldn't get it as part of the plea agreements, plea deal, plea negotiations with the government, that opportunity no longer exists from him. this seems to me to be something the president would make it harder to make a deal. >> michael cohen has been worried for weeks, if not months, there's an onslaught from people around the president, close to the white house that would defame him, make his legal case more difficult for him. >> this makes the legal case more difficult. >> in is exactly the moment he waited for and why he hired davis to begin with, the new attorney to begin with because he was worried about this onslaught and wanted someone to defend him from this, but the problem with his legal situation right now is that he cannot defend it or comment on the tapes. davis issued a statement essentially saying when people hear the tape, they'll see the real truth, but because of the on going investigation, and he's the subject of the
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investigation, they can't excellent on it. rudy created a narrative today, and knowing full well michael cohen was not going to respond to that. we'll find out that this tape is exactly the way rudy said it was, and we may find out otherwise or never find out. >> and, honestly, what we may experience over the course of the next week or two is the president's legal team systematically releasing embarrassing things turning up in the michael cosen seizure to the press undercutting potential power of the use in court, thereby cutting cohen's legs out from under him. >> it's a great change of narrative. wouldn't you rather talk about this rather than what happen in helsinki. >> thank you. keep reporting and letting us know what you find. more ahead and lots more to come. ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!!
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there's something that's been sticking in my croft. this is what i'm talking about. in or around september 2016, the russian military intelligence successfully gained access to dmc computer hosted on a cloud computing service. the computers contained test applications related to the democratic party's analytics. the indictment says that the russians and military intelligence, gru officers, took
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snapshots, stole the data from the democratic party. if the russians did that, if they were able to steal basically the mask from the democratics' campaign, the analytics as democrats planned out, that in september 2016, once they had it, that puts russian intelligence in a position to deploy that information directly themselves to help trump win or conceivably they could hand that over to the trump campaign. so the trump campaign could, you know, make its plans accordingly, alter their own plans to account for having the democrats' game plan stolen for them by russian military intelligence. this is what is sticking. from the indictment, again, we know that particular hack of the analytics of the dnc happened september 2016. what happened right after that? well, in early october, the trump campaign surprisingly announced a radical change in the campaign strategy. campaign spokesman saying,
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quote, you see the date, october 7th, quote, the data driven campaign shifted from overperforming markets to the battlegrounds, cancelling more than $1.6 million of ad buys in eight traditional battleground states and bought ads in places they never campaigned before like wisconsin. they started increasing their time and focus on michigan, and ever since, the trump campaign bragged about the genius behind the late campaign shift and behind that decision. >> i took every nickel and dime i could have from anywhere else and moved to michigan and wisconsin. i started buying advertising, digital, tv. >> you began to make the decision, am i correct, to send trump in there. >> definitely told people we need to go. >> maybe it was just pure lightning bolt genius. part of the data-driven strategy in the states was digital ads aimed at shrieking rather than
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expanding the electorate, keeping hillary voters at home. a senior trump official told bloomberg, quote, we have three major operations underway. the efforts aimed at three groups that clinton needs to win overwhelmingly. whether that shrinks the electorate strategy had anything to do with the fact that somebody had hacked the clinton campaigns and democrat party's data and had all their analyt s analytics, obviously, we don't know. as top clinton team members now point out, quote, if they had access from our data from the september analytics attack, they had a road map how to suppress the votes she needed in order to win. so there's that fight. playing out now on new terms, given what we've learned from the big indictment. well, i want to point out another under appreciated and nerve rattling portion of the
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mullen indictment. that's next. have we seen that before? did this thing actually end? is it still going on? am i asking the right questions here? that's the heart of the matter, right? should the dots be connected? is that right? am i right? what do you know? what do you make the decision? is that accurate? is that weird? what's that mean? is that nuts? what's beginning on with that. why is this happening? why is that? why is that. lots more to get to tonight, stay with us. here's a trip tip: when you search hotels on tripadvisor...
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last week's russian military intelligence indictment contains one serious and stand alone assertion that sticks out from everything else in the indictment. the indictment describes an unnamed candidate for the u.s. congress in the 2016 election who asked for and received stolen information on his or her congressional opponent from the same russian military hackers that had been attacking the democratic party.
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now, as laid out in the indictment, documents about democratic can dadidates were stolen from the committee in april of 2016. the documents were publicly leaked in june 2016. in august 2016. nancy pelosi informed colleagues about the posting of the hacked materials online and fallout of the release. that was news to the democratic members of congress, other than one. nebraska democratic congressman brad ashford was notified already in a private call, the previous month, in july, that he had been a victim of that hacking. we've obtained this internal democratic campaign document on mr. ashford among the items stolen by the russian hackers. congressman ash ford would go on to lose the race for re-election in november by a fraction, by over 3,000 votes. he was the first democrat warned that his material had been stolen in the russian hack.
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he ended up becoming the incumbs seat. he's now on set. thank you for being here. >> thank you for having me. >> what did you make of the indictment, the distribution of this incident in the indictment, and did you recognize your own experience? >> yes. i mean, i think it was -- we -- it was the dots that were starting to be connected. you know, we knew a little bit back in july of 2016, obviously there had been this hack, but after that, after august, it sort of went away. it was not an issue that came up in the campaign, particularly -- >> although, would you know if it did? >> i don't know. it came up in our campaign. i'm saying we were not necessarily engaged with our party on the issue. >> uh-huh. >> it was just a normal, okay, busy, doing our campaign, and all the other things were going
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on bhoiehind the scenes. >> did the campaign, in terms of the campaign against the general election opponents did it take weird twists and turns? >> i mean, we were, you know, with e felt we were going to win the race. we had a significant lead going into the last three to four weeks of the campaign, and high approval ratings, so forth, and so on, and, yeah, i mean i can't tell you if this hacking had anything to do with the eventual loss by 1.1%, but it slipped away fast. >> we don't, again, we don't know, and i don't mean to suggest by talking about this in this way that you with you were the victim here, the one who is cited in the indictment. we don't know. were you contacted by law enforcement about it? >> i have not. >> your opponent who defeated you in november 2016, he says that it's definitely not him. there's been a number of other republican members of congress, serving members of congress who came out and said, it was not me either. what do you think about this as
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an ongoing controversy? obviously; it's got to exist sort of as a strange sort of parallel story alongside your own -- >> nebraskans trust people. we are patriotic. it's a terrible on. it's critical congress act. we have to be able to congress needs to pass the relevant laws to say if mate cal party or candidate is made aware of these things, that they're required to turn the information over to congress. >> a must notify. >> this is insane. a will the of went on after august we now know, was happening behind the scenes. leaders of both parties were making an arrangement they would not divulge the information. but, nothing happened. >> democrats asked the republicans. asked the republicans campaign committee let us pledge to not use the information.
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and the republicans said they weren't interested. >> we can't limit it to that. it's so tragic for the country and nebraska. for the entire country. and this has to be resolved. it's going on now. without commenting on the trump piece, congress needs to act. irrespective of what the president does or doesn't do. for me, the reason i posted that we have been hacked just a few days ago, was to set the record straight. i didn't say anything during the campaign. i didn't know what was happening. i didn't say anything after the election. i didn't want to be sour grapes about it. and say we lost because of the russians. congress must act. and on some of the initiatives out there that would address it. it's very serious business. i appreciate you bringing it up. >> former congressman. democrat of nebraska. i imagine a through the looking glass a couple weeks for you.
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this week has marked a new era of nightly protests across the street from the white house. this has been every night this week now. ever since president trump returned if his meeting with vladimir putin in helsinki and this national out cry of what felt the president's conspicuous subordination to the russian president. there have been people out there
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every night. tonight as well. this is tonight. tonight's version features a brass band. as you can hear. it's been loud of purpose. all week long the protestors have been as loud as possible. trying to be loud enough for the president to hear them when he's home. tonight of course they would have to get louder. to achieve that. the president went to his golf course in new jersey for the weekend. their turns out are some people there too. the people's motorcade plans to deb out their cars and drive in a loop in front of the president's golf club this weekend. they also do this every saturday. certainly are expected to up their game significantly because they expect to receive a and start implementing operation baby trurp trump blimp. a 20 foot tall baby trump balloon like the one british protestors flew last week during the visit.
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