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federal agency is out to get him. or is trump simply saying he, the country's good leader is simply expressing his opinion on the matter. under investigation for obstruction of justice, donald trump demanded that the attorney general end the mueller probe all together. quote this is a terrible situation and attorney general -- that is trump tweeting. the president knows he is the subject of the investigation. that means the president's tweet could be further evidence that he is out trying to obstruct justice. trump's lawyers immediately attempted to control the damage. telling the washington post that the president was merely expressing his opinion. here is rudy giuliani defending his tweet today.

>> he used a medium that he uses for opinions sort of. one of the good things about using that is he has established a clear practice now that he expresses his opinion on twitter. he used the word should, he don't use the word must. and he wants the investigation to come to a conclusion and not interfere in it. that is why this whole obstruction of justice thing is nonsense if he wanted to obstruct it, he would have obstructed it and ended it. >> press secretary echoing that opinion today. >> does that statement reflect the statement of the legal team. >> the president is not obstructing, he is fighting back. most of america is angry as well and there is no reason he shouldn't be able to voice that

opinion. >> does the president know that jeff sessions can't stop the investigation. >> the president is very well aware of how the process works, once again, he is stating his opinion. >> abc news reporting this comes after the special prosecutor -- according to abc's report it was that news that triggered the president's tweets this morning. despite the president's constant demands, the president stopped short of doing that himself. rudy giuliani said today trump believes he has the authority to fire mueller. he relented when his white house counsel threatened to resign for that. joining me now is natasha b

berstrand. >> i guess his lawyer, comes out, that's just his opinion. >> what is he doing if he is not saying he wants him fired. >> he is not pulling the trigger, he is attacking and attacking over and over again because he knows the reports is coming. >> is he saying it is a legitimate investigation or an illegitimate. and if it is illegitimate, why don't he fire them all. if he believes that it is an illegitimate action of the federal government, if he believes it, he should terminate that. does he believe that? >> he would like to. >> does he believe it is

illegitimate. >> he does believe it is illegitimate. >> he honestly believes he has authority to end it but he won't. >> we saw the reaction after helsinki where there was by partisan condemnation. >> does it mean he knows he is guilty and they are afraid they got him. they got him over and over on obstruction. >> i think he thinks it is illegitimate and the reason why he is not getting rid of it, is because he can't. the rules regulation says -- >> why does he keep saying, he has got a lawyer rudy giuliani. why don't he do it if he has the authority. >> rudy may say that, but he

doesn't. >> you don't think so. you don't think the supreme court would back him up? >> we came down this path once before in 1973. when cox was fired a d.c. federal judge here had three senators filing an injunction. and it was illegal. and that same judge -- >> cox lost his job though. >> cox was a kennedy guy but he never got the job again. >> and it was picked up and ran. >> he did get rid of the guy can't trump doing the same thing. >> he can try. >> i am getting confused here. i opened the show trying to figure it out here. either trump believes it is

illegitimate. or he believes it is legitimate or it is a -- all ought to get him. if he really believes that, what is he going to do about it. >> trump needs a foil. and this is, you know, we say it over and over again, it is true. it is raw meat to his base. and he wants the ability to say there is a deep state out to get me. >> which is rotten, illegitimate, and evil. and he is the only person in the united states protecting him from the deep state. >> and he has a lot on his plate. he has paul manafort on trial. he is michael cohen his fixer willing to cooperate. his son is under scrutiny. right now, was there criminal intent in any of the president's tweets or decisions. >> why is he scrambling, racing

around making these charges. does he fear that prosecution is coming for him? >> i think he fears it is a long-term after the election. but he sees this whole thing coming it a head where these people are testifying against him or providing information and at the end of the day, paul manafort is playing with house money. if he loses he can still walk into mueller's office and still get a deal and still testify. >> the tweet today, you see the president tweeting against paul manafort saying he is getting a bad deal. federal prosecutors believe that manafort is playing for a pardon. >> he can still cooperate. former federal prosecutors -- >> trump can offer complete freedom. all of this pile of time again, 25 years if you add it up facing him. they are not going to let him

walk. mueller is not going to say goodbye have a nice day. i would wait for trump. trump's tweets came today after "the new york times" last week. quote the fact that they are scrutinizing his actions under a section of the united states code titled tamper with a witness, victim or an informant raised concerns. rudy giuliani says what the president tweets could not be evidence of obstruction. here he is. >> now we have obstruction by tweet. whoa. i don't think the congress -- i mean, obstruction happens this way. or there is a gun. it doesn't happen by -- he has 80 million followers. >> rudy, i have been impressed,

but lately he is cute. change the words a little bit and you are in trouble. it is cute to say tweet. but this government has been run by tweets so don't stop now, brother. >> tweets can be evidence just like anything else. anything that comes out of the mouth, whether it is a text, an e-mail, a tweet. if somebody says i am going to -- the idea that a tweet is cute and can't constitute evidence, there is a file in mueller's office. say, you know, this is evidence piece number 647. >> can you read the president's cycle of tweeting. is he getting more excited, does he tweet more. >> the president spends most of the morning watching television

in the residence. it is he tweeting. >> what causes the highest tweeting level. when he gets scared, he tweets a lot. >> you see with his style, the so-called rich hu so-called witch hunt. >> do you have a tweet meter? i think he does get scared. oh my god, he starts tweeting. >> the trigger was clear and abc reported after about ten-days of giuliani going to the special counsel and renegotiating a sit down, saying he still wants to discuss the obstruction with the president. the president flew off the handle. a tweet can't be obstruction. and i think it is not hard to read the president's mood.

>> what does mueller want? >> he wants the president to sit down and answer a question, what was his motive. and mueller has a decision to make. is he going to issue the report. >> what is the advantage of having the interview? perjury trap? >> the advantage for mueller is he wants to find out the president's intent. >> he is never going to tell him. >> seth, why is a guy having charged with bad purpose. >> any prosecutor would get that person under oath and hear what he has to say. cannot appreciate what a prosecutor is trying to do in that room. they don't know the evidence, it is a death trap for someone like mr. trump to walk into the room. >> every time trump faces a somewhat difficult interview like me or lester or anybody else in our network, any time he

gets somebody other than a fox interview, he doesn't do well. >> he gets nervous. he has a tendency to lie a lot. he can't help himself and there are things that he can't help backtracking. >> can he protect himself in an interview with mueller. >> every one of his lawyers is advising him not to sit down. >> a lot of reaction to the president's tweets today. let's watch those. >> clearly this statement is serious and substantial evidence of criminal intent even if it doesn't constitute a crime itself. there is now, right now, a clearly credible case of obstruction of justice against the president of the united states. >> do you think it is appropriate for him to send a text like that? >> no, i don't. of course it is not appropriate. >> there are definitely indications that would lead to the conclusion that he is engaged in obstruction of

justice. the president's tweet is unfortunate. i think it is inappropriate for him to be commenting on an ongoing investigation. >> by the way, that is the senate office building basement. eric swalwell, fire mueller, and we fire you. >> this whole midterm election is about impeachment. >> i am going back to it. this is what he is setting up. thank you. coming up, election meddling the threat is real and the threat is real. facebook accounts. what is president trump going to do about the russian intervention again. when control p means pistol.

we are going to talk about unlucky number seven. that is the average number of false misleading statements president trump has made per day. and joe biden is beating up. and we will tell you why. this "hardball" where the action is. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪

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welcome back to "hardball." last month robert mueller indicted 12 russian officials for orchestrating the hacking of the dnc. nothing as a politically motivated witch hunt. well the witch seems to be back. facebook had shut town eight pages 17 profiles and seven instagram accounts. in other words, the pages were set up with the purposes of amplifying politically charged methods meant to sow discord. it does resemble propaganda run

by russia's research committee. experts warn that russia attacks will continue because of mixed messages our president is sending to vladimir putin. >> weakening western institutions and faith of democracy. that's the strategic goal and a lot of near short-term tactical goals. things like injecting hacked information to sway a particular event or election. >> evidence by the fact that this is happening. vladimir putin cannot see from one place that there is a potential for consequences, but then, over here, be getting a different mixed message. >> for more, i am joined by laurie, malcolm, how putin and

his spies are under mining america. >> i want to start with laura today, so, we are still under attack. >> yes, absolutely. >> do we know who it is? >> facebook has not yet attributed the accounts that they took down yesterday, but experts do believe it bears similar hallmarks from what we saw from the internet agency. >> what are we looking for, what do we see when we are looking for this trouble. are they trying to get the democrats to look bad? what are they up to? >> i think it is important to understand that what we are talking about is not necessarily about content, we are talking about behavior. they are trying to masquerade as americans and sow division among us. >> is this like kids in school

where they send messages to their friends and they let the one they are trying to hurt happen to hear it? >> that is absolutely part of it. and part of it is trying to shape our opinion on things. i used an example in today's hearings. this activity never stopped. so one of the posts we saw on reddit, a platform that gets less talked about. sought to use the flint water crisis and police brutality as a wedge to say countries are not bombing us, so why should we bombing syria for chemical weapons attack. trying to shape america's opinion. >> malcolm, it seems like the arsonists are still at it. we are trying to set out the

first fires and they are setting new ones. >> you are absolutely right. we are seeing the pilot light that is being set. i think what we are seeing with the facebook activity that we are seeing. it continued up to may of this year before facebook caught it. you are seeing the leading edge. i say it is the leading edge of an attack because this time, they chose fake leftist extremist groups. they intended to use these organizations, fake organizations. >> perfect. that is radicalized. create the idea that the democrats are hard crazy leftist. let me ask you about trump.

his denial, he constantly said nothing happened. it is all a hoax. how has that affected the transition of this misinformation? has it stopped it, encouraged it? what? >> these mixed messages hinder our ability to deter the enemy. one of the things that any expert on deterrence will talk about is messages need to be credible and backed by capability. if we have mixed messages coming in in particularly from the president of the united states. if you are not hearing it consistently, i don't think so. >> senate republicans block the democratic amendment that would have provided states with more security funding. oklahoma republican james langford said it was far too

early to sign off on more money despite last week the daily beast. and also despite this warning from director of national intelligence dan coats. >> i'm here to say the warning lights are blinking red again. today, the digital infrastructure that serves this country is literally under attack. russia continues their efforts to undermine our democracy. >> the fact is the president is out there saying the russians are out to help the democrats this fall. why isn't he trying to stop the russians? i am telling you, they are not helping her, they are hurting her. the republicans don't want to do anything to stop the russians. even though they say the

russians are out to help the democrats. explain this, will you? it is hard to keep track of the claptrap. >> to tell you the truth, i was quite alarmed when he made that statement, he is tough on russia. it almost sounded like he was sending ordered to the kremlin to go after and make it appear that the democrats are going to do something. if there is a blue wave this fall, even if it is a small one. the best thing the russians can do is introduce mayhem into the system. go out and hack a few voting machines. turn over a few precinct ballots and then, the other side, the opposition can use this to either call for the invalidation of the election itself or to create mayhem just short of civil war. the president himself is going to be responsible. and the senate today, what they showed is they are not going to,

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welcome back to "hardball." all it would take would be an online blue print and a 3d printer. wouldn't have serial numbers and make it impossible for law enforcement to track the data. they could bypass metal detectors. a federal judge in seattle blocked. white house press secretary today. the president is glad this effort was delayed to give more time to review the issue in this

administration. prohibits the ownership of a wholly plastic gun. >> joining me now is steve israel. it is like we have crazy people looking for the craziest ideas. of all the problems we have. cheap specials. it is not hard to get a gun in america, i'm told. why would he want to have these in america. your thought. >> the only reason you would want these guns is to get them through a metal detector, or to have a gun with no background check. this administration they do crazy things, they do crazy things. this is dangerously crazy. they allowed a company to

distribute the codes, the software so anybody with a 3d printer using the same plastic that is in a lego could make a lethal firearm and get it into a capital and cause grave harm to people. by trying to allow this to happen. the good news is a judge has put a temporary restraining order so continued the ban on the download of the files. hundreds if not thousands of these files have been downloaded. and these guns can be manufactured with these 3d printers. elaborate, you watch him put it together, a plastic gun to get through a metal detector at a presidential fundraiser, why do we want the technology available

to do what they want to do. >> ronald reagan in 1988, recognized that we shouldn't make it easy for people to manufacture guns that could go through metal detectors or not be traceable. and that policy was continued by george bush, george w. bush, barack obama. now we have the trump administration that has decided that we should make it easier. and the gun is not even traceable. >> issuing a statement saying the issue has been overblown. wrongly claimed that 3d printing technology will allow for the production and wide spread proliferation of undetectable plastic firearms.

explain how they are cagey here. >> it is true that the undetectable firearm's act signed by ronald reagan, makes the manufacture, the production of these weapons illegal. you can't enforce the law if you can't see a weapon is plastic. this is a clever way for them to say we are going to hand cuff the police, hand cuff law enforcement so they can't detect when a gun is right in front of them. >> according to what i have been able to read that metal piece can still go through a metal detector and still fire. >> a metal piece can be snapped on and snap back on. snap it off before you go

through a metal detector. and snap it back on. number two, it needs to be modernized. and the way you modernize is require that various components need to have some metal. i tried to get that passed when i was in congress. the nra adamantly opposed it. why are they defending plastic guns that don't need these metal pieces to still fire a bullet. why do they defend the reality >> they are extremist and absolutist. and by the way, president trump you mentioned tweeted that these plastic guns don't make sense and he was looking into it. and in that tweet he said i checked with the nra.

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welcome back to "hardball." the washington post fact check. according to the post he is currently averaging seven and a

half false statements a day. here are am misleading statements at last night rallies. u.s. steal just announced that they are building six new steel mills. we passed the biggest tax cut and reform in american history. in history. savage gangs like ms-13 that are occupying our country like another nation would. the most popular person in the history of the republican party is trump. >> is me. the washington post noticed moving up the list quickly are claiming about the investigation into russian interference in the 2016 election and whether people in the trump campaign connected to it. >> let's bring in the "hardball"

roundtable. let me go to dana. these lies. >> lies i'm not sure because we don't know if he knows the difference. the interesting thing is not just the volume of it. but when he started out, he was at 4.9 untruths and he is now up to 16. so seven is only the average. they did another study that looked at all of the this i thinks he said in one individual speech and found that 76 of the things he said are wrong. it is like the same as the odds of drawing spades at random in a deck of cards. >> what do you do with this guy? nobody checks him. >> you are right. i came up in newspapers at a time when the worst thing you could possibly do was print something that wasn't true. so you had to correct the

record. you had to get everything right. and if somebody said something that wasn't true, you had to say the truth. that is the whole story. if you are going to correct everything he says. and he has to know some of these says and deliberately saying what is false. you could fill your entire column, you know, president trump said abcde, and however, here is the truth. the rest of the story. >> so 12 russians indicted. a guy named manafort facing serious time. and he just says it is a witch hunt. it doesn't exist. it is i willegitimate. >> the word lie does come to mind. >> here is the thing, i am saying that he should say these things but they never go back and correct it.

>> we can count the number of times we have heard him say oh, i was wrong and the last time was the double negative. >> let's go to something more positive. 2020 news. new politico shows that former vice president joe biden would beat trump. it is so mean, how does joe biden get to the general election which is moving left. how does he get out there. i agree, he would give trump a run for his money. but how does he get to the post and facing him in the debates. >> there is another number in the poll that says 80% go with biden. so that is a big number. 20%, they are not going with trump so they don't know what to do. so they don't want biden. >> that is the left.

>> yeah. >> not good news he was winning by seven but a generic democrat, he was winning by 13. if the democrat nominee were a ham sandwich, he would beat biden. >> bernie, elizabeth, joe. get past 2018. let the dust settle. >> it used to be the last nominee of the last president of your party, you had a reigning leader of your party. obama said goodbye when trump came in. there is no leader of the democratic party. >> if it is joe biden, he is going to have the same problems of hillary clinton. some of the same old policies are going to come back and haunt

him. >> i agree. >> finally, pushing for voter id laws, trump made a strange claim that people have to show a photo i for groceries. but not voting. >> if you go out and want to buy anything, you need id and your picture. in this country, the only time you don't need it in many cases is when you want to vote for a president, when you want to vote for a senator. when you want to vote for a g v governor. it is crazy. >> miller tweeted trump says you need an id to buy groceries. when was the last time you bought groceries. you don't. you put your card in and decide

whether you want to give a dollar charity. >> the one thing they toodon't for is id. of course you don't need id to buy groceries. and second, the voter id ship has long ago sailed in the states that are run by republicans where they want voter id laws. they already have them. >> we know. they want to depress the democratic vote. they already have them. to say we need voter id law is ridiculous. >> there are a couple of thousand of people watching the president. that is not true. >> it sounded like george h.w. bush and the bar code scanner. i want to defend the president.

>> would you bring us, everybody goes to safeway in town. you get milk, whatever you buy. >> you saw what sar rah sanders said today. he was talking about beer or wine at the grocery store. but remember, he doesn't drink. >> and at 70-years old, you are probably not getting carded. >> we talked about truth a moment ago. how does he get away with that. >> that was not true. >> you could say he misspoke. >> on this one, i don't know what to say except the people in the audience --. the roundtable is sticking with us. these three will tell me something i don't know.

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along. paul ryan went on luis gates show. so we do have a jewish speaker. it is only 23% but we will take it. happy to have him in the tribe. >> i am probably 3% jewish. >> welcome. >> so we saw that graph of how president trump's misstatements are going up. if you look at the gallup weekly number of his approval, that is going down. that is the lowest it has been. it is not a pretty line right now. >> is it seasonal or cyclical? >> it jiggles, but there are definite ups and downs. and then he got up to 43%, 45%,

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trump watch wednesday august 1st, 2018. president trump called on the attorney general to kill the robe robert mueller investigation. calling it a witch hunt that is staining our country. run by 17 angry democrats that are doing robert mueller's dirty work. if there were a normal administration, a normal presidency, we would hear what this president is saying and ask a big question. mr. president, are you telling your attorney general to actually terminate this investigation. are you in fact telling the ag to fire mueller and kill this pro eb probe? >> are you saying it is

illegitimate? if so, why are your people putting out the word later today that you didn't mean it. but if this is a legitimate investigation, why are you saying it's not? that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on all in. >> it is a witch hunt hoax. >> the president tells his attorney general he should immediately end the investigation of the president. >> the president is stating his opinion. >> tonight the most damming evidence yet of obstruction in plain sight. and why the trump legal team is scrambling after a letter from robert mueller >> the most recent letter, they sent us a proposal. >> then, day two of the manafort trial. >> now paul manafort is a nice guy. >> why the