happened to her dad. >> from my viewpoint, he gave his life for her. >> that's all for this edition of dateline. i'm craig melvin. thank you for watching. . >> good morning. we're at msnbc headquarters. here is what's happening how close did she get? now information about the rather thannen woman working as an unregistered agent. the president and the potential interview with robert mueller what the negotiation looks like behind the scenes and why it's taking so long to happen. omarosa unplugged. why she uses the words mental decline to describe the president's state of mind in her new book. new this morning a leading democrat on the house judiciary committee with pointed words towards president trump and his

recent twitter attacks on the robert mueller probe. congressman ted lou last night suggesting mr. trump is worried. >> the walls are closing in on the president. not only do you have the manafort trial going on, you have cohen with the tape and potentially flipping. you have a separate state investigation into the trump foundation which could lead to criminal tax fraud issues. that's why we see a increasing number of angry tweets by the president. when he goes out and tells the attorney general to shut down the mueller investigation that's obstruction ever justice. just because he does it in full public view doesn't mean it's not obstruction. >> that's in reference to a tweet where the president told jeff sessions to stop this rigged witch hunt right now. the president's lawyers dismissed the tweet as a case of venting. president trump resumed the twitter attacks last night disparjing a cnn hoeft and his ultrafamous athlete guest lebron james. you see that tweet here. meanwhile the president heads to

ohio near columbus on the heels of the campaign for thursday. and he taught republican troy balderson who hopes to hold a gop seat in a tuesday special election. balderson is in a tight race with danny oconnor. new this morning. another wrinkle in the alleged russian agent saga. the "washington post" reports that she cozied up to an extrump aide in the race. the aide is jd gordon who serve as director of national skourt until august of 2016. any say it's part of a smear campaign. joining me is julie manchester, a host of the faqnyc podcast. great to have you here this morning. where does in new report on maria batona fit with respect to the cane and russia or is it as jd gordon said to the washington times this has nothing to do with the trump campaign and again is an effort to disparj

any republicans or any national rifle association member. >> well, i think it's something a lot of investigators are going to look at at this point. i mean, this is a contact that a member of the trump campaign or someone associated with the trump campaign had with someone who is an alleged russian foreign agent or a russian spy. so i think it's something that investigators are going to raise eyebrows at. and it's also something that really i think, you know, brings a lot of attention because she has tried to infill trite so many right-winging and republican circles, this shows of an effort to potentially infiltrate the trump campaign and try to bridge the electronic gap as her handler -- i believe paul erickson, said in an email. something investigators are definitely looking at. however, i think j.d. gordon said this was just an effort to you know get to know each other, to make a contact. so we'll have to see what investigators come up with.

>> and j.d. gordon called it a smear campaign essentially blaming the media on twifs which was a big topic on thursday. >> we have a number of colleagues from the press. do you think that word enemy of the people. >> i do not. >> i think it would be a good thing if you were to say right here at this briefing that the press are not the enemy of the people. >> repeatedly the media resorts to personal attacks without any content other than to insight anger. >> i had a very nice life. i didn't need to be -- you know, i used to get good press. >> the media continues to ratchet up the verbal assault against the president. >> i have certainly received my fair share of reporting on me personally that i know not to be fully accurate. >> fake news. >> but no i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> the president of the united states should not refer to us as the enemy of the people. >> i'm here to speak on behalf

of the president he made his comments clear. >> they can make anything bad because ner the fake, fake disgusting news. >> ozzy explain the dynamic at work here please. >> sorry. that is just one of the weirdest things i've seen in american politics. trump who is like a creature of the media in many ways, who has thrived on dishing out gossip and lies to media and people print them now he turns and says they are the fake news. this is -- the most ridiculous thing. i'm sorry, it's just very hard to describe, because he is creating doubt for people who want to not believe things negative about this president. and his criticisms about the press serve only that function. >> and what about the ivanka factor there? >> she finally is criticizing it and having some distance from her father. but she is doing this in a very

calculated, careful way. and one of the things that she is not doing is specifying what are the inaccuracies she is referring to. and also not usually stepping out and criticizing or raising her objections to her father's policies. that interview with mike allen seemed a rare moment. will we see it again? it's unclear. >> julie, i want to ask you does president trump win the fights against the media in particular? when you look at polls and the recent history the media is not highlily viewed? a perfect tarring. >> the media is not highly viewed but neither is president trump. president trump's approval rating has sat in the 40s in recent weeks. that's low for a president in this point in the presidency. i guess he sees it as a target especially with the base, because i think a lot of members of the base feel like the media is elitist and do not understand them which could be true to a certain extent. but i don't know if he wins this

overall, because this is, you know, i think a lot of americans do view this as the president of the united states attacking a major institution, the fourth estate essentially. so depends who you are talking to. but with his base i would say he wins this argument absolutely. >> and ozzy, ivanka trump also mads headlines with the take on the trump immigration policy. let's listen. >> it was a low point for me as well. i feel very strongly about that. and i am very vehemently against family separation. and the separation of parents and children. >> some criticized her for just talking there, making no effort to go down to the border. what exactly is her role? do we know? we covered new york. is there any evidence she has a mitigating influence on her father for anything. >> she and supporters have always said her influence comes from behind the scenes conversations with her father

not public conversations with them. but secondly this is good politics for her and trump as a whole. if she is seen as someone opposing this policy. if donald trump can say i don't like this but we have had to do it and it's not my policy. if earn distances themselves from what's happening it's good for them. the reality is this started under president trump. and continued because of president trump. ivanka saying she doesn't like it is good for ivanka's brand which she is trying to manage. it's not clear what she does beyond that conversation. >> ozzy, what is the conventional wisdom here? what does she do in general? what is she doing in the white house. >> that's a great question. i wish she would come on the show and talk about that. she said she gives advice and counsel to her father looking out for the american people. i want not clear beyond that. those are two jobs. looking after the president and the public. when her father is the president those two missions -- it becomes

difficult to see which takes priority. >> we might not know what happens behind the scenes ever. julie, the other extraordinary headline this week the five main national security advisers of the president declaring war on russia interference in the elections. do you think this came with full support of the president? or did the officials force this display. >> yeah, it's hard to say. there is a lot of confusion. i would say i'm confused by the administration's rollout of the statements. it seems to contradict a lot of what the president has said about russian interference. i mean, it seems one minute he questions the intelligence community's findings. the next he doesn't question them. he is onboard with them. but, you know, it was extraordinary to see press secretary sara sanders next to christopher ray, dni director dan coats. and those two men were essentially saying, yes, there is an effort for russia to interfere in the u.s. election.

but sara sanders has somewhat back the president and i guess she reflected his skepticism on the matter and said the president really speaks for himself in this -- on this issue. so lots of confusion, i think, in the public where the administration stands. it seems the president says one thing but his officials are saying a completely other thing. >> well julie and ozzy stay with us because we have another white house staffer making headlines omarosa to talk about next. >> the president and the russia probe and the manafort trial, how the three intersect and why at least one legal scholar says it's left president trump very worried. that's up next. what?! -welcome. -[ gasps ] a bigger room?! -how many of you use car insurance? -oh. -well, what if i showed you this? -[ laughing ] ho-ho-ho! -wow. -it's a computer. -we compare rates to help you get the price and coverage that's right for you. -that's amazing! the only thing that would make this better

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between president trump and special counsel robert mueller. >> i've heard him say i want to be interviewed if my lawyers can reach an agreement on the ground rules. we have had a hard time doing that. but we're still. . i'm not giving a lot of hope it's happening. but we haven't stopped negotiating. >> joining me now is danny sivales. is it in the president's best interests to talk to robert mueller. >> that would be a bad idea. the president is caught this year because if he sits down with federal investigators he is not under oath and can have his attorney in the room. but federal investigators if you try to massage the facts at all you instantly commit a new federal felony. section 1001 false statements to investigators. on the other hand if he is subpoenaed and mueller decides to subpoena the president, then the president will be in a grand

jury room under oath and without the presence of counsel. this is a true legal conundrum. >> and the negotiations between rudy giuliani and the mueller team behind the scenes, so when is it going to end. >> generally this process involves trying to extract for the defense information out of u.s. attorneys who are notoriously tightis fisted with information about the investigation. and since the u.s. attorneys hold all the cards and the power, the power to subpoena or diet or anything else, then the defense is left really trying to extract information and receiving it only when the u.s. attorneys decide to give it. >> and no end date in sight here. when is this going to end. >> this is going to end when and if the special counsel's team is ready. this is not that long for a typical white collar investigation. these investigations can go on for years and as as long they don't run afoul of the

applicable statute of limitations then they are going to make sure they build the case methodically. >> do you think the special counsel is taking into consideration the mid-terms? do you think they are factoring this into this whole investigation? >> everything we have seen about robert mueller to date indicates that he is as by the book as it comes and that he does everything ke to insulate himself from partisan politics. i would expect that his guide is essentially the u.s. attorney's manual and all of the charging policies and not anything to do with u.s. elections. >> well, we will see. i do want to ask you about paul manafort because this trial has made headlines last week. and the "washington post" has an op-ed titled the manafort trial has president trump worried. what legal implications from the manafort trial should be the most alarming to the president? >> it's possible that if manafort is convicted -- and there is a strong possibility he will be -- that he will seek to cooperate after his conviction with u.s. attorneys in order to

secure a more favorable deal in order to get what's called substantial assistance to decrease his sentencing guidelines by several levels. if he does so the complaint lodged by many defense attorneys like me is that there is tremendous inincentive to embellish or even factor information to the u.s. attorneys. the u.s. attorneys, the government will try to verify and vet claims if manafort ends up cooperating. but the inincentive remains for a convicted defendant to embellish to help the government get his former cohoerts. >> danny, so far in the trial the prosecution paid a lot of attention to the manafort lifestyle, including the lavish wardrobe. what is the legal angle here? how does any of this relate back to president trump? >> the judge -- has been getting in issue right in the trial. the government is permitted to introduce evidence of a lavish lifestyle only so far as it

relates to the motive to commit crimes in order to the support the lifestyle. however, the same evidence becomes of questionable admissibility when it crosses to the area of area of saying to the jury look at the rich guy and hate him for welt because of the fact that he spends money on ostrich skin jackets. that would be an improper purpose. the judge has been watching the prosecution closely on that issue during the trial. >> former federal prosecutor had a prediction for president trump. let's take a lesson. >> i think it's likely that we will see the president as an unindicted coconspirator. and what that means is he won't be named, won't be indicted. and justice department policy is not to include the name of a target that you don't diet in a case. so that's why his name won't be used >> danny, what is your reaction to the idea of president trump being named as an unindicted could conspirator. >> this practice serves an

important benefit to the government. you can introduce that person's statements against the other named coconspirators. it's a by pass of the hearsay rule. on the other hand the reason defense attorneys think it's a denial of due process is that that unindicted coconspirators can never be deleted from the indictment even if the defendants are acquitted. it acts as probably an unconstitutional stain on that person's reputation for the rest of their life. if you look back our press den -- we have plenty of precedent in this area. most notably nixon who was an unindicted coconspirator because the prosecutor believed he could not as the sitting president be dieted >> danny, thank you so much for legal expertise on this saturday morning. great to have you. well omarosa's new book on her time in the white house, what she saw and why she says it worried her.

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his job in december. but now she is ready to cash in on her time in the white house. >> it's bad. >> we are worried but i need you to say no it's going to be okay. >> no it's not going to be okay. it's not. >> omarosa's ominous warnings earlier this year on tv's big brother served as a sneak preview of the bock in the public excerpt of unhinged she noticed a mental decline in the president's mental ability pch many people thought trump was being trump off the kuch. incidentally omarosa has authored two previous books and has a net worth of $$3.5 million. joining me now, jewel, what is the case about the president's mental health. >> i think omarosa is trying to i guess in her way explain what she thinks is president trump's

odd behavior and past statements. i would like to say i'm not surprised by any of the statements. i think anyone that watched omarosa on the apprentice celebrity' prentice throughout the years knows she looks out for herself and doesn't seem to be exactly loyal to those who she worked with. i think that big brother appearance from i believe it was last year earlier this year really showed what she was going to do how she was going to depict her time in the white house. you'll see a lot of tell-all books of people in and out of the revolving door in the white house. and you'll hear a lot of different i guess descriptions and stories of how they saw the trump administration play out. and omarosa is just one of them. >> and ozzy is this about selling books? or has anybody else inside the president's circle made this suggestion before. >> well it's hard to take omarosa seriously because of all the stuff she said before. but b because she makes it through a rechlgs that has to be bought and sold.

and she has also known trump for many years. what didn't she know before she learned working in the white house with him? all of those things sort of raise questions. but it is an issue that other people have raised, not so much in the white house per se, but critics who watched trump's public appearances have questioned whether or not he does things deliberaterily or he can't help himself np omarosa is jump on helping her sell a book. >> there is another excerpt about the reason for firing comey. she writes then she had been -- picks had gone over the topic saying it was based on recommendations from the doj, from the doj reinforcing that. but we know that the president said that he fired comey because of the russia investigation. so julia, what does this tell us about how he operates. >> yeah, i mean, it just -- it just tells us she has been speaking to other people. i mean, you know it's hard to tell at this point.

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