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take on trump in 2020, he said he's running against him already. i'll ask him what that means when he joins me live. and congressman seth moulton turning fellow vetd ranz into members of congress. he joins me live as well. but first president trump who is spending his sunday at his golf club in bedminster, new jersey, taking 0 twitter seeming to deflect from the investigation of robert mueller into his campaign. there was a familiar attack on, quote, the fake news, the enemy of the people. mueller and the so-called 17 angry democrats. the fake dossier, as he puts it and of course the classic witch hunt. but slipped in between those tweets is the one getting the most a attention acknowledging the subject of a meeting involving his oldest son and lawyer with close ties to the kremlin. tweeting, fake news reporting a complete fabrication that i am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son donald had in trump tower.

this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal and done all the time in politics -- and it went nowhere. i did not know about it. here's how one of trump's attorneys responded this morning defending the meeting. >> according to the e-mail that special counsel robert mueller has, this was a meeting to get information from the crown prosecutor of russia on hillary clinton's campaign. how would that be legal? >> well, the question is how would it be illegal? i mean, the real question here is with a meeting of that nature constitute a violation. the meeting itself constitute a violation of the law. >> trump's tweet about that event conflicting with a statement that don junior had released to "the new york times" in july 2017 that the meeting had been primarily about the issue of adoption of children by americans. the trump tower the subject of special counsel robert mueller's investigation. with that i'd like to welcome in my panel. joining me on set political reporter to axios, jonathan

schwan. greg bauer, former u.s. attorney and fbi assistant director. ken dilanian who covers security and intelligence for nbc news. and white house correspondent for bloomberg news, shannon petty piece along with ashley parker doing white house duty for the washington post at trump's summer get away in new jersey. thanks to all of you for being here on this sunday night. i want to set the stage with you first, mr. brower, about the potential legal jeopardy the president is putting himself in or not. how do you assess the statement that jay sekulow made there essentially saying that it's not illegal? do you think that they are now in a worse legal position than they were? >> well, they are certainly not doing themselves any favors with statements like this. i've said it before, i'll say it again. it's a really bad idea for the subject of an ongoing criminal investigation to be speaking out like this, especially by way of twitter. it remains to be seen what the mueller team will make of this particular tweet, but it's not necessarily the case, but it does not create exposure. >> jonathan swan, these tweets seem to be the product of -- the

phrase that you introduced to the world, executive time at bedminster. there is apparently quite a bit more executive time on the schedule? >> the president has a very light schedule this week. mostly executive time, but a dinner each night with supporters and business leaders. i want to get back to this topic. i think i feel like i'm going crazy because trump said exactly this last july, like i went back because i was like, i feel like he said this before. and i went back to the quote. and he literally said last july, most people would have taken that meeting. it's called opposition research or even research into your opponent. that's very standard in politics, where they have information, you take the information. trump has already conceded the purpose of this meeting was to get information about his political opponent. sure, like it's a shocking thing to reverse yourself in that way, but he did it last july. i was just kind of perplexed why

it was this rolling news story today. >> did we know then that he definitely had crafted that statement with don junior back in july? because we might have been living in a world then where it was like, he weighed in the way any father would, but it wasn't to the point where even his lawyers had acknowledged, yeah, he wrote that statement. so maybe now in this new context. but i mean, if you're robert mueller and you're going back and looking through all these tweets, yeah, he definitely has a chronology of what's been said, when on twitter he can go through any moment. >> the answer to sekulow's question why would this be illegal is election know. as he well knows it's illegal for foreign nationals to offer anything of value. it's illegal to solicit a thing of value. even if nothing was transmitted it's illegal to try. it's a conspiracy. it looks more and more like donald trump has exposure hire and his father realizes that. you wonder when tweets like this start appearing what's going on behind the scenes. there's a lot of churn in the russia investigation.

michael cohen is on the bubble. he may cooperate. paul manafort son trial. manafort's lawyer has the fbi interviews of rick gates. who knows what rick gates has told the fbi about potential collusion issues even. all of this is factoring in into donald trump's tweets now. >> the story of course that set the president off this morning that he is concerned about the meeting that his quote-unquote wonderful son had in 2016, could possibly have been this one in the washington post. quote, the president privately about broods, publicly roars at a precarious moment. ashley parker was by lined on this newsy piece with don junior's connection to the mueller investigation and his role in organizing the june meeting at trump tower. writing, quote, as one advisor described the president's thinking, he does not believe his son purposefully broke the law, but is fearful nonetheless that trump junior inadvertently may have wandered into legal jeopardy. ashley, this was a story from you and your colleagues in the washington post. put this in a little bit of broader context for us, this storm of tweets that jonathan

swan knows we've heard echos of in the past. but clearly the context that everyone is living in very different now than it was a year ago. >> yeah, that's exactly right. and the irony is that the story, this post story that we wrote that prompted this tweet where he's denying the story, the story says that he is privately brooding and publicly roaring. that's actually exactly what you saw in the tweet. you saw a man privately brooding over our story and publicly came out with a bit of a roar. what's coming out in a context of a year ago mueller's probe has expanded. and as it has, the president has felt sort of, at times in his most intro speculative moments, pangs of culpability, that these people, including even someone like paul manafort he believes are getting embroiled in something that would not be happening were it not for their connection with him. and that is, of course, most stark with his eldest name sake son, don junior. >> how does trump sort of

emotions and state of mind play into this when it is his son as opposed to others around him -- he's concerned about heappeoplee hope hicks who we saw surface this weekend. >> he is concerned about everyone in his inner circle and he does feel and he has said to people privately that they would be getting treated differently were it not for their connection to him. but with president trump as we know, what he values most are two things, one is loyalty and one is family. so the closest person in there who is actual family is his son, don junior, and he is very upset. and again, he doesn't believe his son intentionally did anything wrong. he thinks he may have inadvertently wandered into some trouble. or even at the very least his son did absolutely nothing wrong. but his son is getting dragged before congress, dragged before mueller, in the news, and it upsets him deeply. >> shannon, before you mengtiond

what we knew and didn't know a year ago around this. one thing that came out the president himself dictate that had statement about the meeting aboard air force one initially that was attributed to his son. how in your view does that play into this as far as, you know, when we're trying to answer how much legal jeopardy is don junior in here? >> well, it would make -- it could potentially, depending on what's found wrongdoing, make the president coconspirator in some sort of a cover up or some sort of conspiracy with russia. that's the concern here. is he a co-conspir for if any wrongdoing is found there. on the don junior front, i have heard from people over the years exactly to ashley's point, over the months, i should say. it feels like years. >> it does, doesn't it? >> this idea that they lear from the president saying, gosh, how did don junior get caught up in this? don junior is supposed to be off hunting somewhere raising money

for republicans in texas. the president almost couldn't believe don junior somehow got sucked in the middle of this, in digs belief that don junior was the one who got pulled in. >> more from ashley and her colleagues at the post, that despite his private concern for those like donald junior in public, quote, trump is a man roaring. trump is more than ever channeling his frustration and fear into a ravenous grievance. he is churning out false statements with greater frequency and attacking his perceived enemies with intensifyi intensifying fury. it has not been years with the trump administration, despite the fact we might all age that amount of time. how does this report around his state of mind square with what you know? >> well, i think the hard thing always with trump is to gauge changes in state of mind because it's really a moment to moment proposition. there's been mornings where he

fires -- he'll be angry about something that he's seen in "the new york times" and he does really read the physical papers and he'll see something that sets him off and he'll fire off a tweet. but then he'll get distracted and get a phone call and his mood will literally change. >> on a dime. >> on a dime. so the thing i haven't got my head around and been able to wrap my head around is whether there's been any sort of substantive long-term change in the way he feels about any of this. i just don't know. it's just something that i haven't been able to really gauge because i get reports that are sort of anecdotal from sources in there of a moment when he erupts and it's very hard to work out whether that's indicative of something that's, you know, long-term. >> whether it's -- >> did you try to get the sense after that michael cohen raid, there are moments when things chapd. after the michael cohen raid, his thinking about the whole investigation and anger and angst about it all. >> that was definitely a turning point. >> craig, let's talk for a minute, one thing i've been

trying to get my head around repeatedly as this comes out, we know robert mueller is looking at the tweets. in the past, you know, we're hitting a watergate anniversary, for example, of some of those back and forths where it was revealed president nixon had essentially ordered a cover up. that was all information we didn't have before the investigation was undertaken. here you have a situation where potentially his public statements are incriminating him. is that much different from, you know, other cases we've seen? >> it is different. in my experience as the target or in this case in the president's case the subject of a criminal investigation feels the wall start to close in on them, they often become desperate and at least are tempted to make emotional statements and act emotionally. it's usually the job of their defense lawyers to make sure that doesn't happen in a public way because it can only hurt their chances vis-a-vis the prosecution. here, though, there is this curious reality where the

president's team doesn't seem to be able to rein him in. tweet after tweet no defense lawyer wants to see. >> ken dilanian, it feels like years ago, but this tweet about jeff sessions where he ordered sessions or didn't order sessions to shutdown the investigation, or suggested that's what he should do. >> right. >> right. house did that statement play into this broader question of legal jeopardy? >> it's some people see it as obstruction in plain sight. and it's also part of a piece of him savaging the law enforcement agencies of this country, the fbi and the justice department. and robert mueller and his team of fbi agents, prosecutors are not talking back to that. all they're doing is potentially working an extra hour at night on the trump investigation. it's just a bad idea from a strategic level and it remains to be seen whether it's going to get him in legal trouble. >> ashley parker, can i ask you kind of what your sense is?

you're there at bedminster covering the president's vacation. there is a lot of unoccupied time on his schedule going forward that could potentially lead to more of these -- i mean, has his staff tried to manage that? is that a good plan generally speaking for him? how much more trouble could he cause? >> well, these periods of unstructured time as i believe jonathan wrote tonight, they used to be something that his staff would stress out about. they would try to fill his days with meetings and briefings just to keep him occupied to prevent exactly what we're seeing. the president watching cable news and tweeting about it, tweets that no one knows are coming. if you look at his public schedule for the week, he has a lot of unstructured down time. so i think we can expect to see more of this. the one wrinkle i will add is that this past week, for instance, he did three of these megarallies in five days. that is a calculation for the midterms. he's going out and campaigning

for candidates. but one of the up sides is that these rallies where the president appears in front of thousands of devotees, screaming fans who chant lock her up when hillary's name is mentioned are a place that buoy president trump. behind the scenes, he would go in these rallies, as jonathan said he it would change his mood on a dime. he could take that anger and grievance and make it show man like and fun. >> we'll talk a lot more about that. greg bauer, thanks for your insights. ken dilanian, stick around. we'll talk to you later on in the show. we of course are just getting started on "kasie d.c." coming up president trump has been hitting the campaign trail hard including ohio where there is a big special election on tuesday. plus, the president versus the king. what trump's attacks on lebron james mean for the culture war in america. "kasie d.c." back after this. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.

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as goes ohio, so goes the nation. it's i political saying. since 1960, every personal elected president has won the state of ohio. this week the buckeye state once again found itself with the eyes of the nation focused on it. that due in part to ohio state football coach urban meyer being put on administrative leave due to an assistant's domestic abuse. also due in part to the

continuing question surrounding what congressman ohio jim jordan knew about sexual abuse during his time as an ohio state wrestling coach. and then the president came to town. and as he is apt to do, push those stories below the fold. after attacking nba superstar and ohio native lebron james in a tweet on friday. he held a rally last night drawing stark cultural battle lines ahead of that highly anticipated special election on tuesday. >> they talk about the elite, the elite. did you ever see the elite? they're not elite. you're the elite. you are the elite. you're smarter than they are. you make bigger incomes. you've got everything going. >> our panel is back. also joining us msnbc political analyst rick tyler and washington post political reporter eugene scott. thank you all for being here. rick and eugene, it's nice to

see you. eugene, i want to start with you on your kind of broader take on what we saw from the president in this culture war that he is essentially -- this fight that he's picking with lebron james. >> one of the fights he's picking i think is reminiscent of what we saw following charlottesville. the president is using a common talking point for white supremacists that black communities have less intelligence. he attacked lebron james. he called maxine waters iq. he uses stupid, ignorant when attacking his black critics opposed to entertaining their argument in a way that i think is what made people think that he was giving life to and encouraging white supremacists communities after charlottesville. and so that felt very familiar to a lot of people and i think we saw that reaction on social media. >> rick tyler, what did you hear in the president's words last night? >> well, look, i wish the president could avoid these fights. it seems like he's compelled to have them. he's going to pick a fight for

the sake of picking a fight. but the president ought to worry. republicans ought to worry. they are now in a district that the republicans have held since 1980 and before that they held that district since 1936. so this isn't a democrat district by any stretch of the imagination. the idea that you would send the president to a district to save a race that has this kind of track record when he won that particular district by double digits is really concerning. couple that with the fact the democratic turnout has been 84%. in ohio it's been up 150%. republican turnout in ohio is down. everywhere else it was up, only 20% as opposed to 80%. there's a lot for republicans to worry about. >> ashley parker, the president's kind of approach to campaigning in the mid terms has been a little bit scatter shot. i certainly know from my reporting that republicans on the hill have tried very hard to focus him where they would like him to be focused at any given moment. this race did sneak up on a lot

of republicans here in washington. but what's the president's thinking about, you know, his role in the midterms? obviously he's saying out loud i want to go to all these places. as rick points out, this place should be one where republicans help. broad republican territory. that is not necessarily true across the map. >> that's not true across the map, but the president who does president always like to travel, he's actually by all accounts been eager to be out on the road as we mentioned earlier. he wants the personal adulation. he's there campaigning for, he gets from the crowds. people sometimes suggest a rally maybe in september, october and he'll say, that sounds great but let's do it now. can we do it next week? so he's eager to get out there. >> you were at all of the president's rallies over the course of the past week? >> i was, yes. >> get a medal or something. >> what was your -- you

mentioned he's feeding off of this. is there anything that you notice about his rallies now that's different than what you covered over the course of the campaign, these conspiracy theories that have popped up, obviously the vitriol toward the media has been intense? >> yeah, a couple things. one is the conspiracy theories especially with the q anon crowd. that is something i personally just sort of really noticed for the first time in tampa and then again in pennsylvania and ohio. those crowds -- those signs and shirts are very noticeable. if you look out in the crowd, i will say this is a moment of increased vitriol by the president at the media, but one thing that was interesting to me, at least in the last two rallies in pennsylvania and ohio, is that on the campaign trail i remember some rallies that felt very tense and uneasy and almost dangerous. and those rallies existed also once he became president. but the president, he trains his fire on the media, but he sort

of did it these couple of nights, he was kind of in a performer's mood. he did it with a show man's alum. the crowd responded in kind. they did all the usual things. they turned around and chanted cnn sucks. they booed us, they did thumbs down. it was more they were sort of playing their role as bit actors in the trump show than actually being angry. and sometimes you find very angry crowds. it sort of depends on the president's mood and what he's trying to feed off of or incite. >> in some ways, jonathan swan, the midterm energy is a better place for him to be than focused on the mueller probe. >> yes, with an asterisk. senior republican officials have told me that they're worried about how trump -- trump is now, it's like he's discovered the super power. he has figured out that when he intervenes in a republican primary, he has, you know, lawmakers today said they've never seen a president have this kind of holdover the party's

base. he's enjoying it, almost like a video game. when he intervenes their numbers shoot right up. sometimes he's doing it for candidates the establishment doesn't think are going to be good in the general election. for example, in florida, ron desantis, little-known congressman. trump, he was losing pretty badly to putnam who is a well respected conservative. and trump just pole vaulted him right up into double digit lead. trump has told people he thinks it's more enjoyable if he has a stake in these races, so people kind of nervously are watching some of these primaries to see whether trump engages. >> i feel like there is -- >> it's kind of a shift because i remember january, february, march white house advisors wondering, should we put him on the trail for november? oh, is he a help or is he going to harm the candidates? there is a whole roy moore thing. that's a real change in -- i wonder if that says something about where the base is. is this the republican party or is this the party of trump now.

and -- >> right. republicans have always been in this bind, jonathan where they can't win with him in some of the swing districts. they can't win without him either. >> right. and there are still a lot of districts trump beat hillary by and got more than 50%. so they still think, even though their landscape has shifted a lot since 2016, that he can be usefully deployed in quite a few places. and, look, trump said he's going to campaign six or seven days a week. that ain't gonna happen. the secret service is not going to allow that to happen. he might be doing four days a week. they're going to push -- he wants to do this, they're going to do whatever they can to make it happen. >> i think it will be interesting to see what type of backlash there is to that. you mentioned roy moore. when trump got on board the roy moore train, that motivated some democrats to come out and say this person is going to continue trump's vision of making america great and i'm not on board with that so i'm going to come out and vote for his opponent. >> he was also an accused pedophile. >> there were some complicating factors from a candidate's perspective for sure. ashley parker, before i let you

go, you're reporting on the president all week. what are you watching for in the coming week? >> well, one thing that's been fascinating, going back to the campaign trail briefly, is the president has gotten a lot more disciplined. one of the reasons there was that worry before the president would show up next to a candidate. especially as he did in alabama with luther strange offer an anti-endorsement. he brings the candidate, he's there to support up on stage. he praises them, urges to the crowd to get out and vote for them in the special election, the primary again in november. i'm going to be watching to see if this level of discipline, which aides have told me they trained him to get into this place is something that carries on. in the next few weeks especially as he ramps up that pace even more potentially. >> i wonder if any of those aides are surprised that was something they were actually able to pull off. ashley parker, thank you so much. i really appreciate it. coming up, we are going to get to the trump/lebron feud when mike joins the

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what would you say to the president if he was sitting right here? >> i would never sit across from him. >> you would never, you don't

want to talk to him? >> no. i'll sit across from barak, though. >> that could have been the comment that sent president trump to twitter questioning the intelligence of nba superstar lebron james. james was talking about the president there, but he spent most of that interview discussing his i promise school which he just opened in his hometown of akron , ohio for at risk students. james also underscored the ways in which the president continues to use sports to sow division in america. >> what i noticed over the last few months that he's kind of used sport to kind of divide us and that's something that i can't relate to because i know that sport was the first time i ever was around someone white, you know? and i got an opportunity to see them and learn about them and they got an opportunity to learn about me and we became very good friends. and i was like, oh, wow, this is all because of sports. and sports has never been something that divide people, it's always been something that brings people together. >> joining me now is author

columnist and msnbc contributor mike luprika and the panel is with me as well. you are part of our show's family. so thank you for being here. weigh in on what has been unfolding with the president, lebron james, michael jordan, you know. what's the end game here and has he finally gone too far? i think we saw with the anthem that he really felt like politically he was in the right place, but for people in ohio, i mean, lebron is the king. >> this is not a one on one game that you want to pick, kasie. he's wandered into the wrong gym here. i mean, maybe this president could intimidate him by putting on the uniform of the golden state warriors, but other than that, lebron doesn't fear him. this president has nothing. he has nothing he needs. and look at this, lebron is better at what he does. he's more popular. and he has lived a life that is

a him to this country's possibilities. now he's started this school. look at the contrast here, kasie. he started this school. the other guy started trump university, okay. just start there. he's called the king, and the other guy thinks he was elected king. but how did this start? all he said was that the president has been using sports to divide us, which he has. and he's said that he didn't want to sit across from him. well, which african-american athlete in this country at this time would want to in light of what he said about the anthem controversy and everything else? and here's the other thing about lebron james. he has led an impeccable public life, and now he's helping at-risk third and fourth graders. think about the tired story line here, kasie, okay? he's not just wrong. he's not just disagreeing with lebron. he has to call him dumb, too. and in the aftermath and in the

shadow of it, how is that working out for him so far? >> you just got -- weigh in on that, that no black athlete who want to sit across from the president. >> we haven't seen that at all. and one of trump's advisors, darrell scott, one of his black advisors has been working really hard to get a summit going to get black athletes to come to the white house. that has not happened because no one wants to because the president has not shown himself interested in the issues. the issues lebron has talked about, he's just attacking him as a person. at this rate, if he's hoping to get a higher turnout from black voters going to back him this midterm or his candidates, he's walking down the wrong trail. >> it seems to me, rick tyler and chuck todd asked on "meet the press," this is increasingly making the gop look like they are simply anti-black, all party. >> antiblack, antimuslim, antihispanic. this is long-term damage. this is math. you don't have to be brilliant to figure out that the children

who are being born today are disproportionately hispanic or non-white and you have to figure out a way to appeal to them. and trump is pushing them away and our party doesn't respond. and silence is acquiescence. silence is sailing -- yeah, you have -- leaders have to stand up and say things are right and things are wrong. the president is supposed to be the moral leader on all issues including race. if he doesn't do it, people get the idea maybe it's true what they say. >> melania trump stood up and said something affirming. >> let me pick up on that. the first lady sharply broke with her husband's criticism of lebron james yesterday. she issued this statement through her spokeswoman. it looks like lebron james is looking to do good things on behalf of our next generation and just as she always has, the first lady encourages everyone to have an open dialogue about issues facing children today. her platform centers around visiting organizations, hospitals and schools and she would be open to visiting the i promise school in akron. this is pretty remarkable. >> it's a clean up in aisle one.

>> it's remarkable except this the kind of thing any courteous mature responsible grown up would say about an issue like that. i mean, it seems remarkable and yet it's just sort of the human thing to do. but, yes, she is amazing how over the past six months i think she has really found her brand, found a bit of rhythm in herself and moving more comfortably into this role of first lady, which -- she's got another, i don't know, 2 1/2 years or so left. >> right. >> it's going to be interesting to see what she does. >> mike luprika, this raises the question, we're here heading into august now. football says season is just around the corner. we're looking at another fall full of this, worse than what we've seen last season? >> we're going to go right back to last september when he stood at a rally down in alabama that looked like an sec football crowd in 1955 and called

football players who were kneeling during the anthem, you know, s.o.b.s and he has continued it because it plays to his base. i actually -- and he's also brought into this cockeyed narrative, kasie, that if you did this, that you are somehow unpatriotic and you hate our military. i've said for a year since this started, dissent is as patriotic as the flag that he says he's upholding here. but i think we're going to hear this all the way until the midterms because he thinks he can make political hay with it. and, man, by the way, at a time when kaepernick who did this can't get a job in the national football league. >> mike luprika, thank you so much for being here. really appreciate it. see you again soon. >> thanks, kasie >> just ahead, congressman seth moulton of the armed services committee joins me live. that's next. [phone ringing]

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welcome back to "kasie d.c." president trump has been ramping up his campaign travel as he tries to stave off a blue wave in november. but as the gop continues to try to put the focus on the economy, a nonstop deluge of headlines of tweets and the russia investigation continues to muddy up that message. joining me is democratic congressman seth moulton of massachusetts. congressman, it's great to see you. thanks for being on the show. >> no problem, kasie. >> i want to start with one of the last times you and i spoke

on the air was on morning joe, and i asked you at that point who you thought the leader of the democratic party was. let's take a look. i'm going to ask you the same question again. >> who is the leader of the democratic party? >> who is the leader of the democratic par if i? >> yeah. >> that's what you asked? >> she asked you that. >> does my silence say something? >> have you had any additional thoughts? who do you think is the leader of the democratic party today? >> well, i think the exciting thing, kasie, is that there is a new generation of leaders coming up in our party including some amazing veterans i'm supporting running in house races across the country. people who have the courage to be honest about the problems that we face in america and can really get things done. people who won't be divisive, people who have a vision, will talk about how we make sure that every american has a job that matters. but i don't think we know exactly who the leader of the party is yet and i think that's a healthy thing. >> what do you think -- you mentioned veterans. this is actually a story that i've been working on as well,

have spoken to candidates on both sides of the aisle. you are a veteran. it's one of the lowest percentage of veterans currently serving in the united states, 19% have served. what do you think veterans bring to the table in congress as leaders, as lawmakers that can contribute to the conversation? >> well, first of all, you don't have to be a veteran to be a great member of congress. but statistically veterans are more bipartisan. they understand what it means to serve. they understand what it means to put the country first. they understand what it means to put people first before politics. and be willing to have the courage to stand up, not just to the opposition, but to the establishment. be willing to stand up to your own party if that means getting the right thing done for the country or for your constituents. that ethic of service is something that i think is lacking in washington right now. and veterans generally know that because they've had to put their lives on the line for the country before. so when we talk about getting

better people into washington, people who can be real leaders, veterans are a good place to look. and i think that one of the reasons why we don't see so much getting done in congress right now is because we have people on both sides of the aisle who are more interested in just doing what the party base says or catering to the party bosses rather than standing up for the people of our country. >> let me pickup on that, you mentioned party bosses. you have been relatively critical of nancy pelosi, the democratic leader. what is your relationship with her like? >> well, i guess it's been better, but this isn't about, this isn't about any one person. this is about a new generation of leaders. it's about a time in our party's history when it's time for a new generation of leadership. and although i don't know who the next leader of our party will be or who the next speaker of the house will be, i have given a lot of thought to the kind of leadership that we want, what we want to see in our new

leaders. one thing is we have to have leaders who have vision, talk about the future, not just criticize trump and the republicans. talk about what democrats stand for, how we're going to bring jobs back, how we're going to be strong and safe with national security. second, we need leaders who will actually bring the party together and will build a strong bench. >> i want to pick up on that actually, leaders who are going to bring your party together because there was a conference over the last few days, net roots, a gathering of progressives. she's running against cuomo in the gubernatorial primary. she had something to say about how democrats should present themselves. i'll show it to you and then talk about it. >> okay. >> the establishment is terrified of that word, socialism. but if we learned one thing from the obama years, it's that republicans are going to call us socialists no matter what we do. so we might as well give them the real thing. >> do you agree with that,

congressman? >> new york city i'm not a socialist, i'm a democrat. and i think that it's important that we are a party that embraces a diversity of ideas and is willing to embrace people like cortez who won the special election, the primary in new york, and also amazing veterans like mike just like in new jersey who is a much more centrist democrat who can actually win a tough seat and take it back from a republican. a seat that alexandria would not be able to win. if we want to be a majority party, we have to embrace a wider diversity of views. and embrace more americans across the political spectrum. so our party's base is important, but fundamentally, i'm standing here as a democrat, not a socialist. >> congressman seth moulton, thanks very much for your perspective. i appreciate it. >> thank you, kasie. >> you had an august recess in the house. mitch mcconnell is taking it away from the senate. i'm sure you'll be on the campaign trail. thank you so much. >> thank you. >> still to come here on "kasie

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welcome back. we saw former president barrack obama resurface this week. he and joe biden visited a d.c. bakery run by disabled military veterans. biden tweeted this photo in honor of the 44th president's birthday but he is also waiting until the upcoming midterm races announcing his first wave of endorsements. among them 29-year-old of latino and arab decent running against duncan hunter. a congressman in a republican california district. he joins me now live. sir, it's great to have you on the program. >> thank you for having me on. >> i want to start by asking about your former boss, the former president of the united states. he was somebody who in the kind of waning years of his presidency when i covered midterm elections in 2014, having him on your side wasn't necessarily something people

were eager to advertise. especially democrats in swing districts or republican areas like where you are now. how do you see this fitting into your dynamics in your race and your attempt to knockoff duncan hunter. >> i'm honored to have the president's endorsement. he believes this is a critical seat we need to take back to flip the house and have somebody that will be a check and balance against president donald trump. i'm honored to have the president's endorsement but for me this isn't about president obama or anybody else. it's about the way of the future and coming up with a party that's not just the opposition party to donald trump but is the opportunity party with specific descriptions about how to lift up everybody's life. this isn't about anybody's views, certainly not mine. it's about fighting for every single american no matter who you voted for or what party you subscribe to. >> which version of the democratic party, we were just speaking to the congressman that

declared he's not a socialist and he's not from that wing of the party. the base of the party embraced that. many supporters of bernie sanders. he of course identifies that way, what about you? is talking about social i feel in your view helpful for the democratic party? >> for me the beauty of america is there's a diversity of pl pluratilty. i have been labeled a lot of things in my life. peel say my existence is the resistance. i care about your personal health, your personal safety and your personal financial dignity so regardless of who you voted for in 2016 or before that i want to fight for people in my district. right now congressman duncan hunter inherited a seat from his father and sells his votes to the highest bidder in washington. and nowhere in that transaction is the needs of the every day american people. you can call it whatever you want but we need a congressman that will serve their interests and not the special interests in

washington. i don't care for labels, i care for getting things done. >> where do you stand on the current democratic leadership in washington? would you support nancy pelosi if you're elected? >> honestly no. i think we need new leadership. we need a new generation of leadership. so having president balm ball's endorsement is great but this is not me reliving the balm baobam. i'm trying to move into the future and that's what president ba obama wants us to do. he will be the first one to support us. we should expand medicare for all and find out a responsible financial structure to make that happen. let's expand medicare for those that are 50 and older and lower the rates for everybody just like bernie sanders proposed. there's a whole lot of ideas what we lack in washington is not political ideas. it's political will because there's a lot of people in congress that are beholden to special interests and not the interests of every day voters. that's going to change this

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>> the president unleashed his latest in a series of attack. >> fake news is reporting a complete fabrication that i'm concerned about the meeting my son donald had in trump tower. >> how would it be illegal? >> there's plenty of evidence of collusion or conspiracy in plain sight. >> collusion which is not a legal term. >> obviously he is annoyed by that investigation continuing to go on because it's about him. >> the president and his administration send mixed signals on the election threat from russia. president trump keeps calling it a hoax. >> it's all a big hoax. >> the president should be straightforward with the american people. >> when the president says russia hoax, he's not talking about russia meddling. >> the hoax is the idea that the trump campaign was a beneficiary. >> russia meddled in the 2016 election. >> the president -- >> already hate tweeting against journalists. >> the fake news media caused war and they're very dangerous and sick. >> very dangerous and sick.

>> they are the enemy of the people. >> they are the enemy of the people. >> the press is the enemy of the people. >> the president communicates in a different way. >> i don't believe journalists are the enemy of the people. >> that's the president's view. >> welcome to the second hour of kasie dc. back with me jonathan swan and jeff mason, justice department reporter for the new york tiles, and political reporter from the washington post eugene scott is still with us. let's pick up on just briefly before we set the stage again, jonathan, on this question of the enemy of the people and causing war, is this an escalation that -- i mean, what is the end game here? >> i don't know and i was asking someone, i was talking to a source today who is, you know, over the last number of years spent a lot of time with trump and i said what is behind this rhetoric? it's very bannon-like actually.

it's very much like something that steve bannon used to say and trump has been saying this now for more than a year so maybe it was something that he picked up from bannon, but i don't know, the war thing is perhaps an escalation but basically it's what he has been saying for a year. and his staff don't have a particularly good explanation for that particular phrase. >> for war and sick and disgusting. it was something we heard throughout the 2016 campaign. the media took trump literally but not seriously while his supporters took him seriously but not literally and he's not a candidate anymore and the things he says on public and twitter literally or not have real legal implicatio implications. he acknowledged the goal of the trump tower meeting was to gather dirt of his opponent and reminded on wednesday when the president tweeted attorney general jeff sessions who has recused himself from the russia probe should quote stop the investigation. that tweet coming days after the

new york times reported that robert mueller is looking into whether other tweets from the president macon ciy constitute obstruction of justice. it may not be the first time he inflicted legal damage upon himself in plain sight. remember when he said this about firing james comey. >> when i decided to do it, i said to myself, i said, you know, this russia thing with trump and russia is a made up story, it's an excuse by the democrats for having lost an election. >> and this week's tweet about sessions also isn't the first time we have been left parsing the president's exact language on a crucial matter. when james comey testified the president asked him to let go of the investigation into michael flynn. here's comey talking about that conversation during congressional testimony. >> i don't think it's for me to say whether it was an effort to obstruct. i took it as a very disturbing thing and very concerning but that's a conclusion i'm sure the

special counsel will work toward to try to understand what the intention was there and whether that's an offense. i took it as a direction. it's the president of the united states with me alone saying i hope this, i took it as this is what he wants me to do. >> jeff mason, this is really, i mean, we say this, i know you have covered several administrations in the front row for reuters and one thing that i'm always struck by is when -- i think you and i were in a room one saturday where we were in a briefing and you're all sending out headlines in all caps all over again and this is the president of the united states and white house and all of a sudden every single word has meaning and clearly robert mueller is sifting through all of them. >> absolutely. when i read that tweet one of the things that came through my mind was imagine being the president's attorney right now. imagine being on his legal team and seeing the tweets come out. >> we need an animation of rudy giuliani with sparks flying out

of his head. >> clearly this is a sign that the president is upset about this issue. it's the same thread that you were just talking about with swrob th jonathan. he lashes out at the media when he's upset about something and he's clearly you set about this. but by giving that information that could be used against him or his son it's more ammunition on this issue. >> what is your sense -- i tried to avoid, in the past have tried to ignore a lot of the attacks that the president has leveled at the press. chuck todd was talking about this this morning on meet the press as well. this does seem like a different level. does that concern you? and how does it effect your day-to-day coverage of the white house? >> i agree that it seems like an escalation. it seems like the tenor has gone up in the last few weeks. i don't know why other than to say as i just said he will often use the media as a skcapegoat when he's upset about something. perhaps he's feeling more and

more pressure and he's lashing out. he's also spending more time on the trail and this is something that the base likes. the base likes to see him lash out at the media but in terms of the concern, absolutely. the number of threats to journalists seems to be going up. i see it in my own twitter feed let alone when people cover these rallies. >> they also serve to undermine the credibility of the investigation. >> absolutely. what the white house is doing is responding to several of the polls we have seen that say most americans believe msnbc more than trump. they believe other media outlets more than trump and what the president is noticing is that he is losing this war in terms of how americans are responding to the investigation in particular

and republicans believe and support his approach to this whole mueller investigation but americans in general are saying we want this to keep going and we want to get to the bottom of this. >> how do you view it in so much as by attacking the media he also attacks the justice department, the fbi, all of which aimed at undermining credibility. >> absolutely. it whips up the base and if you're trump and if you're the republicans in congress you see the threat of a blue wave and this will help stop that, right? he's going to be campaigning a lot in the midterms. even though he's not running and he's going to try to use the same rhetoric that got people up to vote for him to get them to come out and vote for republicans in congress. so that's one thing and then the other of course is to undermine the credibility of the investigation. if you look at the investigation, there is a chance that he himself could be in legal jeopardy and the best thing that he can do right now is make sure that nobody believes that anything coming out of the special counsel's investigation is true because he doesn't have a lot of other fire

power. >> the president's tweet storm followed a week full of campaign rally which is are the topic of the sneak peek out tonight. i want to read from a little bit of that. like an nfl coach reviewing game film, trump likes to watch replays of his debate and rally performances but instead of looking for weaknesses in technique or for places to improve trump luxuriates in evidence of his brillance. he come men tates as he watches according to source who is have sat with him and viewed replays on his tivo. while watching replays trump will interject commentary, reveling in his most controversial lines, wait for it, see what i did there? he'll say. jonathan, swan, take us into this room, we did a little bit of it there. but what are the most interesting moments? >> well, so really the transition when he has just become a new president when he

enjoyed rewatching his debate performances and his favorite moment and i've heard this from two different people, was the moment in the st. louis debate after "access hollywood" where they brought bill clinton's accusers there and there was a moment in that debate where hillary clinton says thank goodness we don't have donald trump in charge of the justice department and trump says yeah because you would be in jail. he thinks that's the greatest moment in presidential debates. but yeah, he does. he enjoys watching replays of himself and basically reliving these moments and sort of live come men ta comentating along to them. >> care to weigh in? no but seriously. this is -- we have sort of come to assume this about this president. stories like this are kind of common place but at the same time its pretty remarkable that -- i always thought the president of the united states would be like a very all

consuming, time consuming job but apparently he has more time to watch television than i do. >> as i recall he said at the beginning of the campaign, after he had become president that he could also have run his president in the evening while being president of the united states during the day. so yeah he's got time. he is also having interviewed him a couple of times and all of us have spent time covering him, he likes -- i mean, he likes feedback. he likes to know, look, i did a great job here. i was awesome in the electoral college. one of the interviews i did in the middle of a conversation about foreign policy he brought out this map of the united states that showed his electoral college win. i mention that because it seems sil. i can certainly imagine him doing exactly what jonathan was just describing. giving himself feedback. giving himself praise for his performance. >> and he even does, just picking up on what jeff was

saying, phone calls with foreign leaders, i've heard that the phone calls sometimes start with a discussion of the electoral college and trump's victory. >> that often includes the falsehood, which is it wisconsin that he claims he won. now we're trying to remember the falsehoods with this president. >> it's so intense and i think that what it tells us is that it's a lot of noise until we figure out whether or not he does or does not sit down with robert mueller and that is the question. until we see that answered we're going to see so much distraction again and again and again caused by the president himself because he's extremely anxious about what's going to happen to him legally. >> meanwhile, hope hicks, reemerging in trump's orbit yesterday traveling on air force one to ohio for his rally last night. she was one of the few people that were there when the letter

written aboard air force one last year that claimed the trump tower meeting was strictly about adoptions. what do you make of seeing her again? >> i actually know from reporting. i'm glad you asked. so she was trying to surprise trump and from my understanding was going to deliver him a diet coke on the plane as a surprise and it was going to be a quite nice thing. >> did the secret service go along with that? >> but anyway the surprise didn't happen because somebody told trump that she was there. but they had a nice time together. but i'm told not to read anything into her. i don't think she's coming back in any time soon. >> so what was the occasion for the surprise? >> she was with jared and ivanka the previous evening. >> this is still somebody that has potential and we heard the president kind of talk about this or at least seem to elude to it where he talks about young lives being destroyed by what's going on in washington. it seemed to be a reference to hicks who has been drawn in and testified on the hill. it doesn't seem to me, while i

do take jonathan's reporting and i'm not trying to cast doubt on it, if anything does anything really happen by accident here in this administration? >> it's almost impossible to answer that question. if you look at the trump administration broadly and this trump white house, sometimes you can look at it and say all of that is deliberate. all of that is with purpose. all of that has an angle to it and sometimes you can look at it and say that's just his sort of chaotic style. so with regards to specifically hope hicks being there, they were trusted confidants for a long time. he is a very critical person in his orbit. was at least for many years and it seems like they're still staying in touch. >> also she wouldn't need to get on the plane to talk about -- you know, they can talk on the phone. there's all sorts of -- its not like you would need to do something quite as austentacious as that if there was some motive to it. >> sure but it's still -- it does seem a little bit -- well,

fair point. is there anybody right now in trump's orbit that can talk to him and advise him the way hope could? >> that's a really good question. no, not in quite the same way. maybe ivanka to some extent overlaps but she was quite a unique figure. he really -- well actually saw her as another taur daughter. so i would say ivanka is a similar figure. but hope was often there to calf things. trump has done some pretty out there tweets over the time but, you know, think about the tweets that haven't been sent. hope has actually intercepted somewhere, there is a book to be written about the tweets not sent. >> that hope managed to catch. before i let you go, what's your latest reporting on the likelihood, and you mentioned this earlier, that the president and his legal team will come to an accord with robert mueller and get some sort of interview?

>> first there's a debate happening within the white house. i'm sure jonathan reported on this as well. trump people are saying he does want to sit down with mueller. he thinks he can convince him and tell him that nothing happened and everything is okay because he is a great negotiator and extremely convincing figure and his lawyers for some reason do not believe this is a case so they're having a disgreem baagr back and forth. what's interesting for prosecutors, folks i have spoken with, they'll say if we see robert mueller let trump take basically a written exam, answer the questions not in person, that's a real sign. it's a sign that you might not see a prosecution happen because no prosecutor is going to let somebody answer questions on paper and submit them later if they don't want to bring a case. so we should be watching very closely to see whether or not trump answers in person or whether or not he answers on paper or whether or not he answers at all. >> and eugene scott before i let you go as well, what are you watching as this week unfolds?

>> i'm watching how just voters on the ground are responding to what we have seen recently with the number of republican candidates from the house who have gone for larger -- not larger but higher offices and have been unsuccessful so this red wave that trump was talking about in ohio we're not seeing it happen and it will be interesting to see how much less likely it is to happen as we move forward. >> thank you. coming up jay inslee is calling the president the best recruiting leader the democrats ever had. what else is needed to pull off a blue wave in november? we'll ask him next. aby. (vo) it's being there when you're needed most. he's the one. (vo love is knowing... it was meant to be. and love always keeps you safe. (vo) love is why we built a car you can trust for a long time. the all-new subaru impreza sedan and five-door. a car you can love no matter what road you're on. the subaru impreza. more than a car, it's a subaru.

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a follow up to that audience member, what did you mean by those remarks? are you planning on running for president? >> i'm sincere. we need to stop this unstable commander of chaos. this year in 2018 we need to elect democratic governors that can stop the gerrymandering that has so infected the house of representatives. we need to elect democratic g f governors because donald trump cannot stop us from helping build an economy that helps working people. he can't stop me from passing family medical leave like we have. we can't stop us from increasing the minimum wage as we have. >> i'm not hearing you say no, governor. are you ruling out running for president in 2020 or not? >> no, no, that's another year but we're focused on 2018 right now and we're going to have a good candidate.

i want to make sure that he focuses on growing a clean energy economy that can defeat climate change. i'm very angered that the president the very day that it was announced we had the hottest career perhaps in human history cutted the abili gutted the ability to protect our children and gutted the ability to get more fuel efficient cars from people put we don't have to wait until 2020. we can elect democratic governors this year like grisham in new mexico that is helping in a program i was at the other day training people to install solar panels. >> sure. >> we can help in ohio. who has returned $12 billion to consumers and the republican he's run against is just for donald trump that fought against health care. >> on this point, can i ask you, i cover capitol hill when i'm not here on sunday nights --

>> tough job. >> i spend a lot of time with quite a few people who seem to want to potentially be president of the united states who are currently sitting members of congress, i'm wondering, what do you think that the democratic party should be looking for in their 2020 nominee? is it somebody who is a governor like you? is it potentially problematic to nominate somebody that is a sitting member of congress? >> we ought to be open to anybody with a vision for the country. i believe we are a very confident and optimistic party right now. certainly to be a chief executive of the nation. and plan to rescue america. this was a man who was locking up children and then having the gal to criticize lebron james

who is putting people into schools. the second we have to have a vision for economic growth that really helps families, not just wall street. not just the corporate tax cuts and he failed to build a single bridge that vision is one of economic growth and i'm confident we're going to have that in 2020. we can have it in these governors races. >> speaking of 2018, you were down at the net roots convention and a fellow candidate for governor, of course not the current governor of new york but cynthia nixon running against andrew cuomo said democrats ought to be the socialist label that many republicans throw at them. do you think that that is a winning message for the democratic party? >> well, look, i will tell you, some of these republicans think that if you create an

infrastructure program like i have done in the state of washington, we have created the largest transportation infrastructure program in the history of our state. we're building schools. we're putting people to work. >> but do you think the socialist label is helpful or not? >> they're a very desperate party right now. it's one of the reasons trump went to ohio. they're quite desperate because they understand this message of take agoway health care which they called a socialist plot, but what people in ohio call is health care. you have a republican governor there that expanded medicaid. also the republican governor of nevada in the current republican governors want to strip that away from people. i will tell you, people who have cancer and heart disease don't call that socialism. they call it health care. they call it health for their families. they call it security and we stand on that and right now, we're going to win a lot of races on this health care issue because the republicans would rather give giant tax cuts to

people at the top 1% than to help people with health care. we're having winning message in this regard and our candidates across the country are fighting in this regard. >> okay. >> just in maine and florida we can have a million people to have health care by electing democratic governors so i'm willing to have that tussle with republicans. they're in big trouble and they know it. >> governor jay inslee thank you for your time. really appreciate it. coming up next, president trump regularly refers to the media as the enemy of the people. now one columnist argues they're more than just catch phrases and could be a catalyst for violent attacks against journalists. back after this. with the new chase ink business unlimited card

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i just figured that out right now. they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake disgusting news. >> president trump pulling out what are sadly now familiar attacks on the media to a roaring crowd in ohio yesterday. and this morning he was at it again tweeting that news outlets quote purposefully cause great division and distrust. they can also cause war. they are very dangerous and sick. in an op ed for the new york times they describe receiving an anonymous voice mail with death threats and a phrase out of trump's handbook. your worthless, the press is the enemy of the united states people. stephens writes for every 1,000 or so trump supporters whose contempt for the press rises only as far for their middle fingers a few will be people like my caller. of that few how many are ready

to take the next fatal step? in the age of the active shooter, the number isn't zero. we were having a conversation about what this means and the challenges and i'd like all of you to weigh in here. i learned journalism at the news wire and associated press where you are taught and i know reuters and all of our organizations take this very seriously, this idea that you're supposed to be unbiased and that that commitment is very important. it's very difficult in this day and age where the president is making journalism and the practice of journalism a partisan issue to figure out how to navigate that. >> yeah, absolutely. it was something that i had to navigate when a year or two years ago when i started out as president of the correspondence association. you're wearing a couple of hats and would be thing that i learned then and like to repeat now is our best defense against attacks on the press is just to do our jobs and do them well and

to do good journalism. that said you can't ignore that type of rhetoric that comes from the president because he's the president of the united states and i think it's important to be able to reject that as well. >> it seems to me that to a certain extent when the president makes these attacks what he is looking for is to get a rise out of us. to get a rise out of reporters that want to stand up and defend what we do every day for work. and to, in that way, i'm tempted to say that we should just ignore it but at the end of the day, to brett stevens point, there are potentially very serious real world consequences to this rhetoric. >> i don't engage in any of it. i just ignore it and report but i have to say that i am worried that this is escalating and that people like the caller on the voice mail will take something to the next level. i mean, i get threats all the time. i don't care, if they come,

whatever, i think actually female journalists get much worse threats than any of us guys get. >> the language and the tone and things they threaten to do to you are. >> some of my female colleagues at my organization and other organizations some of the stuff they get is disgusting. so it worries me when the people with the biggest microphone in the country stirs this up. >> and it does all seem to be done with a greater point as well. donald trump is a creature of the media. he has called up newspapers and impersonated his own spokesman to manipulate stories about him in the new york tabloids. he wachs himself over and over again on tivo and cable news. this is somebody who has created and lived in this universe. what are the long-term consequences of this? >> our critics would say he is a creation of the media. we helped him become president. we the collective media. it's such a difficult tension. our job is to be balanced and tell both sides but on some of these issues there isn't a both

sides. when there's conspiracy theories being articulated from the oval office and the white house and the fbi and public servants are being downgraded, this whole issue of when we call out a lie is a problem because it's not a lie unless you know he has intentionally told a falsehood but it's become obvious now. >> there is, taking trump out of it, and i think we are all in agreement about trump. i don't think there's any disagreement at this table. what i am noticing which i think is disturbing is that for those of us that are trying to do -- and everyone at this table fits into that -- serious, straight news reporting. getting to the truth, putting out facts. there's a strain of commentary, we all know that the conservative movement has been for many years built on attacking the press. but you have now a podcast like pod say of america where that is

kind of institutionalized. they want -- and this is kind of personal because he sort of calls me out almost every week as a quote unquote trump apoll gi -- apologist but they demand a heightened level of attacks on the president. so you sort of can't win. you're actually getting hit by both sides and the rhetoric is very different. i'm not trying to equate the two but i found that there's this like view on the left, on the sort of hard left that well we need to match them now. we need to go after them in the same way that they're doing on the right and i think it's actually very damaging and very coro corrosive and they go after people just trying to have a good job. >> ivanka trump called out the enemy of the people phrase this week. jeff flake has been on the senate floor calling it stalinist rhetoric and to jonathan's point my goal has always been to build relationships with people on

both sides of the aisle to reflect carefully the people who are doing good on behalf of the people and to ideally uncover wrong doing and people that can make the right decisions about how they're going to vote. are we headed for a people where there is no sufficient thing as truth and people don't get any of their information from a common place but are rather split along these demands that jonathan points out? >> i don't think so. i mean, i think that people want truth. i think people want good journalism. i think people want facts. this is a very divided electorate. people do choose where they go to find their news and that's problematic but it behooves us as journalists and everyone to remember that the right to the free press is in the constitution. it shouldn't be a partisan discussion to decide the media's role. that's not to say that

journalists can't and shouldn't accept criticism when we do bad work or make mistakes, et cetera. everybody does make mistakes. but i think certainly i work for a news organization that's committed to correcting mistakes when we make them as everyone else at this table does. that's important. it's important that we set an example. but the bottom line is i think that people want facts and i think people want good journalism. >> you're raising a very important specter which is during watergate there was an accepted truth and the washington post and other news organizations reported that story until it became clear that richard nixon cannot survive. there's fox news and a whole amen corner for donald trump that is never going to accept that this investigation, for example, no matter what it uncovers is legitimate and therefore you won't see the same dynamic. >> and the people electing them are going to believe something different. all right. we have to press pause here.

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this comes days after accountants admitted on the stand that manafort false identified documents and hid foreign income. my question for you is i know we have been talking about this on the air last week and you suggested they might not call rick gates because of the defense's argument about him and how this is apparently all his fault. >> well, yes, that's the defense strategy is to blame rick gates. he was manafort's right hand man and one of the prosecutors suggested maybe they won't call gates and the next day another prosecutor said we aren't going to call. >> they have to because they introduced him in their opening statements and the jury would wonder where is this guy? he's been the subject of testimony because he was involved in some of his alleged fraud. he was handling some of the

finances for manafort but the theme is that manafort was in charge. he knew what was going on and negotiated the contracts and dealt with accountants and provided information. >> even if you look at the different ways they handled this, manafort had the incredibly lavish lifestyle. rick gates lived with his family in a much more modest setting. didn't have the millions of dollars it would take to mount a defense. it just seems to me that if there's nepharious activity going he was reaping the benefits of that. it seems like rick gates would have taken more of a cut for himself. >> they're mind boggling. $1.5 million on custom made suits. there was some testimony, a company. >> made of python. >> there was a python jacket i believe and ostrich vest. both. >> there it is. look. there it is. ostrich jacket, python jacket,

$18,500. >> the python one is pretty nice. >> there was a witness called big screen solutions that does smart technology in your home and installs your television and apple tv. they were about to get to the point where he was going to say how much he charged paul manafort, $2.2 million mr. manafort spent to outfit his homes in the hamptons and florida and new york with this one company. all that wired from overseas outside of the reach of u.s. taxes. >> oh, boy. jonathan swan we have been treated to the president down playing the role of paul manafort in his political world and life over and over and over geb a again and insists this trial is not effecting the president or that the white house is not paying attention clearly based on the reporting of the washington post and work you have done that's not the case. this is something that the white house is paying close attention to and maybe effecting the president's moods himself. >> definitely they're paying close attention to it. it's also a claim that manafort

had a minimal role. for the period he was involved he was the campaign chairman. >> he was running the whole show. >> they brought him in as the top guy. now they did bring him in to count delegates but his role became much larger. he became the top dog. so it doesn't past the smell test. i think the most interesting question about paul manafort is why he joined the trump campaign and i don't think we fully know that yet. i don't think we fully understand why he did that and what conversations he had with his foreign counter parts while he was in charge of the trump campaign. i still don't feel like i have a full picture of that and to me that's where i would be interested to see if ken and jeff agree but that's to me where the interesting story is because all of this stuff has nothing to do with the campaign. this is his own potential financial crimes that he committed in cases a long time before he became the chairman. >> except that what this trial showed is that he was dead broke

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of the article, thank you so much for being here tonight. can you sort of summarize what it was you learn in this investigation? what could have happened to avert where we are now, and just how much of an impact, with trump in office for a year and a half now, what impact does that have long term on this issue? >> i'll do that as fast as possible. 1979, we had total scientific consensus about the issue and small group of scientists, politicians, and activists tried to move the issue, first to the white house and then to congress, and then to national public, and then there was a global treaty negotiated binding emissions reduction treaty, and at the end of the decade after an internal dog fight in the george h.w. bush white house, we dropped out of any kind of binding target, and so what did i learn, most shocking thing i

think i learned is that basically every conversation that we are having about the issue was being held as early as 1979, 1980, so just me living this crisis over and over again. >> so what impact will the change in the emissions rules potentially have going forward? i mean, is it for people who are trying to decide, you know, how alarming are the actions in the trump administration taking or not. what's your assessment? >> i think the problem that we have when talking about the issues is framing it as a industry problem, a science problem, and, of course; we have to talk those angles of it, and it's oil and gas and disaster or policy levels, but i also think that we're not talking about the issues on a moral level, and i don't see why when we talk about

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before we go, we are talking about what to watch in the week ahead. what are you watching for in. >> either tomorrow or perhaps tuesday, rick gates will take the stand in the paul manafort trial, right hand man, a key witness. >> jeff? >> a couple things president trump is in new jersey this week, so we'll see if he reacts to the things about the trial, and -- >> executive time. >> exactly. also see if there's developments on trade. >> and what are you watching for? >> monday, the trump administration, first half, newer round sanctions kick in. substantial, substantial later in the year, but this is the maximum pressure campaign trump's applying to iran. the economy's under stress, and the bet they are making is that the regime will collapse or chase the behavior. we've seen no sign either of those things happen so the end

game is very uncertain. >> i, for one, watching the special election coming up in ohio where republicans could potentially move the seat they were most definitely not supposed to lose, future sign potentially of a coming blue wave. i thank audrey on twitter. send us your pictures of the dogs watching our show of the that's all for us tonight here on "kcbc". we're back next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern. for now, good night from washington. ♪ for weeks now, we've been hearing about the porn star, the president, and the payoff. >> the president ignoring questions about the sex scandals swirling around him. >> is this a message to all future politicians? just show no shame and move on. gary hart showed tremendous shame. >> gary hart believed the press would never dare report on