massive demographic changes have been hoisted upon the american people. and they're changes that none of us ever voted for, and most of us don't like. from virginia to california, we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now, much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. and since this is the last speech that i will give as president, i think it's fitting to leave one final thought. an observation about a country which i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said, you can go to live in france, but you cannot become a frenchman. you can go to live in germany or turkey or japan, but you cannot become a german, a turk or japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in

america and become an american. so nearly 30 years separate those moments, joe, but, i mean, watching ronald reagan speak that way actually brings me to tears right now. especially seeing the way laura ingraham really tried to encapsulate are vision of america right before that. it is one beautiful outlook of how we have become this beautiful country, versus something very trashy, very ugly, and very sad. >> well, ronald reagan is so uplifting, because, as ronald reagan always -- he had this beautiful talent to reconnect us with who we were. >> who we are. >> to remind us that, about that dream that was and that is america, and even when we fall short and swe have fallen short so many times through the years.

it's that dream. the dream that all men, all women are created equal and also that dream that you can go to france, but you can't become a frenchmen. you can go to germany, but you can't become a german. you can come to america, and as general hayden said, it's pretty simple. you read the document, you understand the document, you pledge allegiance to the document, and we shake your hand, and you are every bit as much of an american as me and other people who have been here for 400 years. just like that. that's the magic of america, and guess what? no president, no radio talk show host, no white supremacist in virginia can ever change that.

you know, guy vinson, a strong conservative voice, wrote this on twitter overnight. "as conservatives we should not fear or bemoan demographically shifting electorate. it's our task to make our cause relevant and accessible to more people." "including those who may not initially be natural allies and make them secure in the confidence that our ideas are better." you know, jon meacham, i remember in 1999, george w. bush, a man who i disagreed with many of his policies, with his spending. george w. bush quietly and publicly told republicans in no uncertain terms, i'm running in

2000, and one of the major focuses of my major focus, would be to reawaken the republican party to the importance of reaching out to those who may not be just like us. to hispanics especially. the largest growing demographic group in america. we have got to put this nativism behind us. this -- this soft bigotry as a -- >> white supremacy. >> which is looking more and more like white supremacy. these days. and george w. bush in his re-election bid got, what? 43%, 44% of the hispanic vote, because he did what guy vinson said conservatives today need to do. make their views accessible and relevant. >> and you look at just as recently as john mccain. he manages to, remember, he

says -- when a questioner, probably the kind of questioner that laura was talking about, who's not happy with the way the country is changing, says he's, you know -- obama's a muslim and -- you know, mccain shuts, quite courageously, shuts the woman down in 2008. 2012, governor romney, a figure who his dad was born in mexico, because he was part of the mormon missionary family. an nattieinternationa nattiest ist. flawed for all of its faults, about that reaganesque vision of all the pilgrims from all the lost places hurdling from the darkness towards home, and that is in such extreme distress now

that people who have been republicans for longer than 30 minutes seems to me need to fight for that part of their party, or say good-bye for a very long time. >> we're going -- we have susan del percio, donny deutsch, gene robinson with us as well and we'll stay on the spirit of the discussion, willie geist. michael gerson has a really good piece out in the "washington post" about the politics and then we'll get to some stunning new details pertaining, some of the core proceedings with migrant children and families seeking asylum. first, willie, the politics at play. >> speaking of george w. bush, michael gerson was a speechwriter during both of his terms and new topic on the "washington post" titled "the only way to save the gop is to defeat it." in it he writes, in november many republicans leaners and independent will face a difficult decision.

the national democratic party under nancy pelosi and charles e. schumer doesn't share their views or values but sprt a rolling disaster of mendacity, corruption and prejudice. what should they do? vote democrat nick their house race no matter who the democrats put forward and vote republican in senate races with mainstream candidates, unlike, say, corey stewart in virginia. why vote havestrategically, ame is in the midst of an emergency. gain control of the house not the senate, a check on the president without becoming a threat to his best policies from a republican perspective or enable to enact worst policy. the house will conduct real oversight hearings and expose both russian influence and administration corruption. under republican control important committees such as chairm chairman devin nunes's committee has been pathetic tools of the

executive branch. only democratic control can drain this particular swamp. susan del percio, you've worked in republican politics for a long time. what do you make of this take and in this moment? >> it's hard to hear and i'm torn about it because i think you should vote for who you think is the best candidate. playing the strategic voting game is always a little difficult, typically doesn't work out the way you want it. i think if there are republicans you can support as a republican, vote for them. why vote for a less are candidate, if you don't think they're up for the challenge? that's my first point. the second point is, that if you feel that a republican for congress especially in the house has been an enabler of donald trump, don't vote for them. doesn't mean you have to vote for the democrat but don't vote for an enabler of donald trump. >> joe what do you think? >> well -- i mean, it's -- it's tough. i mean, it's very difficult. i remember, gene robinson, in

2006, i remember writing a column making the same argument. along with christer buckley and other republicans who said there has to be checks--we're talking about george w. bush, but on an administration that mishandled iraq, talking about ending tyranny on all four corners of the globe with the united states military, already overstretched, post-katrina, but a feeling there had to be a check, and there are times that you have to vote strategically, and it would be different if the legislative branch were actually an independent functioning branch of this government, of madison's brilliant design of -- a government of checks and

balances, but as we've been saying here all year, gene, the founding fathers they foresaw a corrupt tyrannical president. they never foresaw an obsequious congress, legislative branch that would lie down and simply rubber stamp all of the worst proposals of this, of a tyrannical president, and whatever want to define donald trump, he is not madison and jefferson and franklin and washington's idea of a president. >> no. no. he's clearly not. you know, i think the founders would be shocked that congress hasn't acted, not just to investigate this president, probably to impeach this president. remember, they were revolutionaries, and they absolutely specifically planned for this sort of moment, and

this congress is beyond neglect. it's beyond -- it's beyond pathetic, really. i think it's a crime against the constitution that they're not fulfilling their duty even to investigate, protecting the president from exposure of his corruption. they're enabling this president who -- and let's be certain what the contrast is. you heard that laura ingraham quo. doesn't sounds like or smells like white supremacy, that's what it is, pure and simple. and this is a president who is encouraging that, and to saying nothing of all the other things that this president does that are just beyond the pale.

i agree. vote democratic. >> yeah. michael gerson mentioned corey stewart in his piece. the republican nominee for the u.s. senate in virginia, and is responding after a video surfaced from his 2017 virginia governor campaign in which he praised the confederacy for rebelling against the union. >> this is a state of george washington and tom jefferson and james madison and james monroe. it's a state that the founders -- a state of a declaration of independence and the constitution, but it's also the state of robert e. lee and sahl jackson and j.b. stewart. [ applause ] because at the base of it, virgini virginians, we think for ourselves, and if the established order is wrong, we rebel.

question that in the revolution. we did it in the civil war, and we're doing to today. doing it today. >> stewart who grew up in minnesota. >> of course he did, by the way. >> and moved to virginia. >> of course he grew up in minnesota. they're always the worst. >> late 20s. >> transplant. hey, i'm a rebel. >> facing incumbent democrat tim kaine. responding saying, unlike wimpy tim kaine, really? virginians have a warrior spirit and a rebel heart and in a tweet yesterday that stewart has since deleted he attacked michigan democratic candidate for governor abdul el ssayed "a "is commie." oh, my god. these people! >> where's he coming from? minnesota. >> minnesotans are usually nice people. >> but he's not.

he should go back. >> i don't think they want him. >> playing a tough southern -- jon meacham. >> oh, lord. yeah. >> i -- i don't know where to start except unfortunately you can find far too many examples of posers. this guy posing as a southerner, as son of the confederacy, but all of this talk from laura ingraham to corey stewart overlooks one small detail of american history. that many americans said the same ignorant thing hundreds of years ago, and 150 years ago when the irish came. they said the same ignorant things when the germans came. they said the same ignorant things when the italians came to america in respect have been a small segment of no-nothings who have been saying ignorant things about immigrants coming to this

country for over 240 years, and yet, you know, i ticked off a list of a couple of days ago of immigrants, their families that came recently and transformed silicon valley. if we had donald trump and corey stewart's view of america, then you wouldn't have had steve jobs over here. you wouldn't have had the founder of google over here. the founder of yahoo! over here. the founder of reddit over here. the founder of ebay over here. i mean -- and if we want to go back a few years, even albert einstein might have ended up in a nazi concentration camp with donald trump's view on immigration. >> yeah. it's extraordinary that we're still having this conversation in 2018, but we're going to have to keep having it again and again. the talk about the confederacy

and the talk about secession as a successor to the revolution, i find, as a southerner, abhorrent. the south, the civil war, let's just say it quickly here, was about the institution of slavery. it was about the perpetuation of that institution. it was a struggle to end the journey, enshrined in the preamble of the constitution towards a more perfect union. those soldiers took up arms against the constitution of the united states, and would have ended the great america experiment that led to, say, victory in world war ii nap led, to say, victory over soviet communism in the deadliest potential struggle in human history. over the 40 years or more of the cold war. it was -- if anyone doubts that, and so -- and start tweeting -- you know, we can talk about this for the rest of the year, but

that's what it was about. and when people try to appropriate it, and we're approaching -- this is the weekend of the anniversary of the terrible violence in charlottesville. where the president of the united states one year ago, you may remember had a hard time figuring out which side of the argument he was on. neo-nazis and klansmen or the people standing up for the america you just described. and that is one of the many reasons we have a crisis in the moral leadership of the country. >> and donny deutsch, the hypocrisy, of course, as always, when it comes to donald trump is just staggering. here this guy has been fighting against, chain migration. >> oh, my god. >> the most evil thing of all time. with chain migration you bring in ms-13 they're going to come up, shoot up your neighborhoods, go to the malls shoot up your white malls and go to your white high schools and shoot up your

white -- you know, of course, as we've said before, ms-13 accounts for far less than 1% of the illegal immigrants that come to this country, but chain migration must end! >> my lord. >> now! >> my lord. >> writes donald trump. except for the fact, donny, his in-laws have been trying to get into the country on chain migration. and yesterday melania trump's parents became u.s. citizens through -- >> how does he miss that? >> through the same chain migration route that donald trump has been demonizing for a year now. >> yeah. of course, there's the rules for all of us and then there's the rules for donald trump. this is hypocrisy, there needs to be a new word beyond has peypocrisy

sdib th describe that. oh, no. on a major network and says that, basically make america white again. her whole argument beyond being reprehensible and completely counter to what we're about is also false in the sense of that our shifting demographics has very little to do with immigration and the reality is actually as of 2007, every year babies born in this country, whites now are the minority. it's happening in this country. it's not about, oh, people are poring on the borders as we speak. it's who we are now. you can't put the genie back in the bottle nor should we. that's who we are. donald trump, once and for all, we need to look at what his slogan "make america great again" means. we know what it means what it meant. make america white again. that's what that slogan always was. the dog whistle was there, and the fact that now 18 months into his presidency that we have people like laura ingraham blatantly as gene said, there's

no soft -- bigoted, racist comments. guys, whether you like it or not we are a mosaic. it's not changing. it's who we are. even if you built the wall, which is not going to happen, it's who we are and thank god it's who we are. >> and alex, if you can get that ronald reagan clip again that we started the block with. we'll get it to end the block. there are a lot of conservatives that have claimed to be disci e disciples of ronald reagan and this has actually been happening for years now. people run around quoting ronald reagan, and temperamentally, ideologically it's -- in every way possible they are, in fact, the antithesis of ronald reagan and are against everything ronald reagan stood for, and you certainly could talk about big government. the fact that these so-called conservatives in congress along with donald trump have passed

the largest spending bill ever. have the largest federal debt ever. exploded the deficit, the yearly deficit. have been more fiscally irresponsible than any congress in u.s. history, and yet -- and yet -- still claim the mantle of reagan while being demagogues. do we have that to run? mika, let's go to break on it and i'll tell all of my conservative friends, take a good, close look at what ronald reagan said, because it's very telling. he didn't say this in, like, june of 1986. this was his farewell speech to america. still ahead on "morning joe" what do we have, mika? >> we'll tell you about a mother and daughter deported to el salvador, but a judge steps in

and orders the plane turned around nap story is coming up. you're watching "morning joe." >> and here's reagan. >> -- and since this is the last speech that i will give as president i think it's fitting to leave one final thought. an observation about a country which i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said, you can go to live in france, but you cannot become a frenchman. you can go to live in germany or turkey or japan, but you cannot become a german, a turk or japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in america and become an american. & the staff needs to know, they will & they'll drop everything can you take a look at her vitals? & share the data with other specialists yeah, i'm looking at them now. & they'll drop everything hey. & take care of this baby yeah, that procedure seems right. & that one too.

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386 have parents who already have been deported, and officials have heard from 299 parents in the last week. however, they don't have any information for 26 parents and still have not file add plan to reunite any of the 559 remaining children with their families. meanwhile, a federal judge in washington ordered a plane carrying a mother and daughter to return to the u.s. while their deportation hearing is underway. u.s. district judge emmet sullivan called the removal pretty outrageous and threatened to hold attorney general jeff sessions in contempt. aclu attorneys were notified of the woman and her daughter during recess and requested the judge delay the deportation. upon arrival in el salvador the pair was sent back to texas, according to dhs. gene robinson, a floob pproblem persists despite all the media on this child's separation. still hundreds of children without their parents at the

border. >> this is a crime. this is really a crime that has taken place. call it kidnapping, call it wafr y whatever you want. beyond outrageous that 559 children remain separated from their parents and that the government knows where, apparently, nearly 300 parents are, and have spoken with them, but has no plan to reunite the children with their parents. how can that be? how can that possibly be? and i believe, i hope, that since this administration wants to behave in this way, i hope other jumps, perhaps the judge in san diego in charge of that case, acts the way judge sullivan did and says, wait a minute. we have laws in this country. and those laws are going to be enforced, and i'm going to start

holding people in contempt of court, in criminal contempt of court, which is where they are. that's the situation now. this is just outrageous. >> and i guess case by case there's legal recourse, when we know of a case, susan, but to put this in pretty plain terms, it appears our government has gone rogue with hundreds of children. kidnapped them, is currently abusing them and in this case decided to deport one and remove the child in the middle of a hearing. it doesn't feel -- this doesn't feel normal, and this feels illegal, and definitely un-american. >> it absolutely is, mika. on top of that we see that -- this administration was not even close to being prepared for what they wanted to even do, which is why we're in this disaster that we have. i wish that the first lady would take her parents, their new, her

parents are newly citizens, down to the border and see what's happening to those children. now, that's something that maybe they could relate to, seeing how hard it is, and the struggle that people have coming in to this country. and don't forget. a lot of these were trying to come in legally. these weren't just all people trying to come in illegally, but this is not america. this is not how we treat people anywhere. nonetheless as our border. >> and following up on what susan just said. >> it's just incredible. >> the trump administration wasn't close to being prepared to, for the ramifications of this policy. they were warned about it by hhs officials saying it would have a devastating effect on children, and we've seen now that they're so desperate to try to clean things up they've now told the aclu, hey, you be in charge of it. you handle it, but i will say yesterday's another good example of how the aclu has stepped up

in this -- in this disaster and has done remarkable work and continued to do remarkable work day in and day out. not -- not for the benefit of liberals. for the benefit of children and for the benefit of america's reputation across the globe. >> yeah. i think it's worth saying, linking all of this together this morning, you've said kind things about two very different american institutions. one is ronald reagan. the other, aclu. rarely do the twain get linked together, and pointed out as working in alliance, but that's what the country at its best -- this may sound sentimental. hell with it. it's actually true -- the country at its best is this combination of forces that may or may not like each other. that may or may not work

together in the morning, but will in the afternoon. that's the nature of compromise. the aclu really grew out of the red scare of the 19-teens. just heard this isn't america. unfortunately, this is america. we shouldn't blink. we shouldn't shy away from the darker aspects of our past. whether it's fighting a civil war over slavery, or woodrow wilson resegregated the federal government and curbing civil liberties through the war. all the way, japanese internment. one of ronald reagan's first political speeches in a way came in a ceremony to honor the japanese-american soldiers, despite internment had gone and fought so heroically for the allied cause. he went with joseph stilwell to southern california to present a medal to a family of a soldier who had died and ultimately president reagan, 40 years

later, would be the president who apologized for that great national sin. so this is not celebratory, but it is a sign that i think fair-minded people will look at the panoply of human experience and say, this side gets it right here. this side gets it right there, and that's what the country's supposed to be. we're not supposed to demonize either out of, somehow out of the public square. we have to be in this together. >> yeah. we do. and donny, how fascinating it is that, over this first half hour today, while we look at the abuses of this administration, and comments that certainly sound like calls for white supremacy, look at the vast array of voices that have pushed back, even with reagan, beyond the grave at that sort of backward thinking.

ronald reagan to the aclu, to guy benson, to a federal judge, actually saying, "turn that plane around and get them back in the united states of america." we still have due process in america. whether donald trump believes in it or not. >> yes. >> so there is -- so for all the negative, there's a hell of a lot of good out there to see, too. good conservatives, liberals, independents pushing back at these abuses. >> yeah, joe. it's interesting. i bet you get some of the same thing. you've said on this show a lot and i've tried to say it also that despite how terrifying things are right now our system holds, and even with that guy in the white house, these checks and balances do work and it's just why the founding fathers were so brilliant. you know, what's going to really

be the tell is in november, and if anything, if there's any harbinger based on what happened the other day, mike allen brought up a brilliant point lead into the show, same math, swing that happened in ohio happens across the country, we'll pick up 43 seats. i think the american people will speak. i want to just go back to the reagan thing, i said in is to willie. interesting if you put up a clip of w., of his father, of obama, of clinton, of the last presidents. the tone, the calm of, when you listen to ronald reagan speak versus the complete opposite -- the first president in our lifetime when he comes on the air as opposed to the calmer cheer, the anger in chief, unnerves you every time he speaks. just listening to reagan beyond the words, which were so heartwarming and reaffirming, his overall tone, understanding

the job in that office is every time you get up in, it's to somehow put your arms and bring 300 million people together versus every time trump gets up there, beyond his words, his -- the visceral quality, the tone of which he speaks pulls us apart and it's a sad comforting look back in remind us how we live today. >> almost easy to forget. it hasn't always been that way. don't have to go back long to see it. the family separation, the entire rationale, heard it publicly from the president, the attorney general, the people out of the white house, a deterrent to people coming to this country illegal. fewer people coming. see they might be separated from their children. jeff sessions said that out loud. this week we got numbers in about family members arrested at the border. the difference is marginal at best. along the border last month in july, 9,258 family members were arrested. down from 9,434 in june.

so by about 150 people. in other words, this plan that separated families and caused all of this stir that was supposed to be a deterrent has not been a deterrent. >> it's all a sham. everything is a sham that donald trump has been saying about immigration and we've talked about it, willie. haven't we? for a year, a year and a half. that actually -- actually throughout donald trump's campaign, that the, this invading a hoard of illegal immigrants to america. >> yeah. >> that requires the building of a wall, that requires family separation, that requires all of these harsh measures. in fact, were proven to be lies by the statistics now of donald trump's own government. >> right. >> and before of the federal government that showed that there was actually a negative net immigration pattern from mexico. more people going back to mexico

than coming in to the united states, mika. >> yeah. >> while donald trump was running for president of the united states. it was all -- i can't say this enough. to my friends and family members who are trump supporters. >> yeah. >> if you look at donald trump's own government websites and look at the trends through the years, everything he told you about this invasion of illegal immigrants, in 2016, was lie. >> yeah. >> more people going back to mexico than coming in to america, and mika, this morning still you have young children ripped from their parents, also donald trump can make a cheap political point, and where is ivanka? as you always say? >> nowhere. >> why isn't she doing something to fix this? where is melania? who yesterday had her

comfortable parents, used chain migration to come to this country, while little children, while infants, while toddlers of still separated from their families on the border. i don't get it. >> also the media needs to step up and i understand our colleagues ober at fox news. there are shows in the evening that exist with opinion. of course. where are the guardrails when you talk about data that is clear. you know? about the numbers. i mean, these -- laura ingraham and her white supremacy speech. i -- i'm still at a loss as to how that made it to air. at some point there have ho be guardrails. where's the management here? hosts with a direct line to the president. we know about that, because trump tried to do that with us. and as soon as we started saying no to things that were clearly wrong, racist, bigot, racism, bigotry, whatever else, and he couldn't get us to sort of parrot exactly what he wanted us

to say and found that his strategy with us didn't work, he gets angry at us on twitter but doesn't talk to us because we don't actually mimic what he says, but these hosts do. they do. and that, you know if they have weak character and they can look in the mirror, that's their problem, but where's management? who heads up fox news? who can allow this to happen and say we're a news network? >> again, we're talking about, it's one thing if you have different views on immigration policy. >> policies for sure. it's complicated. >> if you have a different view on abortion, on same-sex marriage. but when you have a speech that is just, it lines up directly with what white supremacists say, i do think at that point mika's question is a fair question to ask. where is management? who approved a white supremacist speech to go on the air yesterday?

on fox news, in primetime? who's approving that? what does rupert murdoch think? what do his sons think? what do his family think? do they think that is america? they're in this country from -- from -- outside of america. do they think that what she said last night was okay? do they think, wednesday night, do they think that throwing the dog whistles out and instead just appealing directly to white supremacists is where they want that network to go? >> their business model? that's nice. >> you know what? that is -- that is -- as jon meacham says that may about good starter for a night or two. it's a terrible finisher, and i can't believe that the management there, the murdochs and the people that own news

corps are happy that white supremacist speeches are being given in primetime. >> and a siren to fox management. if your hosts are so desperate to be close to the president, so desperate to be close to power that they can't ask questions and they can't use their brains and know between right and wrong, what do you have exactly? in your programming? that's a question we're asking. still ahead -- why this family separation crisis may not be something democrats will be able to capitalize on to retake the house this november. axios co-founder mike allen will explain the messaging problems that both parties are having with typical go-to issues. those details are next on "morning joe." >> donny deutsch will finish his sentence. hey allergy muddlers.

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joining us now, co-founder of axios, mike allen. mike, good morning. you're opening greeting, please. >> good morning, willingie. and happy summer friday. >> there it is. a summer friday. axios looking at a midterm message, a mess democrats and republicans both face that seems low-hanging fruit on both sides but not able to capitalize on it. >> exactly right, willie. they're both having to make on-the-go changes to their

messages. the biggest dud of all, of course, republicans and tax cuts. remember early in the year they told us those tax cuts were the key to keeping the house, that, of course, didn't even make it out of march, when now representative conor lamb on your air from pennsylvania. that race showed the tax cuts just didn't have their power. for democrats, they thought that russia and mueller would be great issues for them. in fact, turns out that's motivating republicans more. it's fueling that republican rage, abolish i.c.e. turned out to go too far for democrats. now having to dial that back. republicans are using that issue saying we support immigration issues. willie, here's hour the president and republicans could still pay the check for the immigration policies you've talked about throughout the show. in t "new york times" out with new data as the trump coalition.

essential group of the president's victory in 2016 and one of the important groups for republicans in midterms is college educated will. one of the groups that will shy away from those immigration policies. hate the kids at the border issue, and there are signs that could make a big difference. >> mike, donny. i've worked with the dnc and tom perez an their polling clearly shows that it's not the high mind issue. it's health care. it's, two to three to one margin, look, premiuming going up. prescription drugs are going up. wrap it around corruption and wrap it around all the other kind of more macro things but the micro thing, end of the day, we've always known, voters vote with pocketbooks and that is the message that race by race in a retail world, democrats have to keep knocking on. >> exactly right. this fall premiums are going up. another reason republicans have

such trepidation, and donny, one other number that you will appreciate, and it shows importance of this immigration issue we've talked about throughout the show. that is, if you look at key groups of the trump coalition. key voter groups in the midterms, if you look how they feel about immigration, that is almost exactly how they feel about president trump. there's a perfect correlation between trump popularity and the respondents' view of his positions on immigration. >> all right. mike allen, thank you very much. have a great weekend. reading axios as always. joe, we'll get into this on the next hour but donny wants to jump in on a discussion of yesterday. real gems coming for you. >> by the way, i mean, by the way, mike allen needs to re-do his axios report about the things that could hurt the democratic party, because, i mean, obviously, they overplayed their hands on i.c.e. right? >> uh-huh. >> and obviously, they have

overplayed their hands in other ways as well, but now donny tells us he's talking to the dnc chairman tom perez. boy, a big thumbs down for the democrats right there. that's a loss of at least democrats there. that's a net loss of 12 to 14 seats. >> look, i always get ahead of a problem in effect. let's deal with the fallout of it right now. >> i guess, willie, donny has money actually on republicans retaining control of congress. he's doing whatever he can to make sure his money comes in. >> he's throwing the game. still ahead vice president mike pence lays out the details for president trump's new branch of the military, the space force. the idea is being met with spentism even from some senior defense officials. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪

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you know, john, for as long as i can remember i've been told august is a quiet month in washington and politics and for as long as i can remember, it never is. and it's very interesting that we're having all these conversations now on what's, i guess, we're coming up on the one year anniversary of charlottesville, possibly the darkest stain on the trump presidency yet, and there's a lot of competition for that prize. >> yeah. you're right about august. a month that gave us the first world war, the atomic attacks in

the pacific, nixon's resignation, if aviation of kuwait. katrina. it is a remarkably chaotic month. seems to me that when the history of the trump presidency is written the events in charlottesville, the rally there, the fact that you had grand wizard of the kkk david duke say this is why we elected donald trump was for this kind of moment so that these hate groups who represent the darkest instincts in the american spirit, cannot be allowed to win. every era is defined on the battle between our worst instincts and the better angels. the better angels need to ride into the arena every day. >> gene, we certainly saw that with the federal judge in washington with the aclu. we showed ronald reagan, guy benson's tweet from yesterday.

there is a struggle, not only for the soul of the conservative movement but also for the soul of america. >> yeah. and ronald reagan and the aclu on the same side in that struggle. you know, there are times when the sheer incompetence of this administration sort of mitigates its maligned intent. when they try to do the muslim ban for the first time they didn't know how to write the executive order properly so it kept getting tossed out. the child separations, however, is a situation in which it's compounded the malign intent, the incompetences. they don't know how to reunite these parents and children. that's just tragic. they don't know how to do it. just amazing. >> gene and john, thank you for being on this morning. 2018 is shaping up to be a goodyear for democrats but

minority leader nancy pelosi is facing growing opposition from both sides of her own caucus. we'll have exclusive new reporting on how many democrats are in the opposition. plus as we just mentioned this weekend marks one year since the deadly rally in charlottesville. we're taking a look inside the world of violent white nationalism from a former white supremacist leader turned anti-hate activist. "morning joe" will be right back. oh, look... another anti-wrinkle cream in no hurry to make anything happen.

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because in some parts of the country it does seem like the america that we know and love doesn't exist any more. massive demographic changes have been foisted upon the american people and changes that we never voted for and don't like. from virginia to california we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. >> since this is the last speech that i will give as president, i think it's fitting to leave one final thought. an observation about a country which i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said, you can go live in france but you can't become a frenchman. you can go live in germany or turkey or japan but you cannot become a german, a turk or a

japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in america and become an american. >> two extraordinarily starkly different views of america and what america is and what america has been. ronald reagan, he chose to use his final address to northwestern people to deliver a point that he considered to go the very essence of a country that he just loved so much. and gave his entire life for. reagan always talked about a city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see. not what matthew or jesus said

christians should be in his sermon on the mound. for reagan that city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see, it was lit by the torch of lady liberty. showing the way for people all across the world, as ronald reagan just said. to come to america. you know, it was so inspiring and it reminded me of, again, what i've heard general hayden say, which is you can go all over the world and it's kind of hard to feel like you're a citizen of most countries, but you come to america and we're driven by a creed. you read the document, you understand the document, you pledge allegiance to the document, and then you shake our hands and we welcome you because you are an american.

isn't it interesting, i think it's so fascinating that presidents often in their final address will underline what is most important to them. everybody remembers about dwight d. eisenhower's final address to the american people where he warned of the military industrial complex. for ike, a man who had served in the military and he understood the dangers of excesses. and understood inherent in that alliance. always needed checks and balances. that's how dwight d. eisenhower used his farewell address. but mika, how moving that ronald reagan like a lot of conservatives i style know, ronald reagan decided to use his farewell address to america to talk about a country that still

welcomes refugees and immigrants from across the globe, not because we're doing them a favor, but because that's who we are. >> yep. >> my god, i almost feel like we need to show that clip of reagan just about every day to remind a small segment of this population once again who reagan believed we are, and who we have been for over 240 years. >> it was clear, speaking from his heart. the letter he received touched him because it touched the core of what america is, and he loves the country. that's what it's all about. back with joe, really and me, donny deutsche is with us along with republican strategist and nbc political analyst. the host of nbc's "politicsnation" and president of the national action network

al sharpton. and john harwood joins us. columnist and deputy editorial page editor of the "the washington post" ruth marcus is with us as well. so, joe, it's been -- it seems like every day the narrative on the air avenues especially but even the stories themselves when we look deeper into the separation of children from their families and the court cases going on and even the president's words about different types of immigration, not even knowing that this is how his wife's parents are coming here. the disconnect is more real every day. >> there is a massive disconnect. but also, though, there's always a reason for hope. sister margaret in 10th grade in journalism class had a poem when she was trying to get somebody to think positively. she would say two inmates looked out from behind the bars.

one saw mud the other stars. and let's look at the stars today, okay. let's look at what ronald reagan said. what republicans have believed. i mean, my god the koch brothers are talking about how they may not support -- they may not support republicans if they adopt donald trump's viewpoint on immigration. look what the federal judge did yesterday, saying he was going to hold sessions in contempt of court if they didn't turn that plane around and bring the mother and daughter whose hearing was before him, they didn't bring them back to the united states. the aclu standing in the gap and john meacham said we should celebrate this morning we're quoting ronald reagan and the aclu in the same breath because

we've all got to come together, and fight some of these violations of constitutional norms and more importantly who we are as a nation. >> you know, i definitely agree. i mean no one fights these issues more and harder than i do, but you fight because you hope. you don't fight out of despair. when you look at what a ronald reagan said, someone that i opposed in his eight years in office, it shows the high bar that he had even the conservative elements of this country that we can unite around. and push those that would do what was done in charlottesville a year ago and what is being said by people like laura ingrahm to the side because it's nothing wrom with healthy debate and healthy disagreement as long as we're reaching for higher ground in america and we fight with the hope that we can make it better, not fight because we

want to beat other people down and make them less than us in the name of supremacy based on race or nationality. >> donny, we've talked a lot of reaction to laura ingrahm's speech two nights ago. one saying of her comments, this is one of the most important truthful monologs in the history of mainstream media. that was a quote from david duke leader of the ku klux klan. sounds like laura ingrahm and others talk about the america they wish existed compared to the one that exist. you talked about ronald reagan to pull it back to a time that felt better for a lot of people. >> that's what dictators do. they find enough people in this country, 35% unhappy with their lot in their life. it's not their fault. it's the black man's fault or the jew's fault. that's how fascist dictators come to power.

i have a call to action to advertisers as far as to laura ingram's message. someone gets thrown off the air for saying something racist or using the n-word. this is more reprehensible. you're basically saying we should be white. i would challenge every ceo to walk through their companies this morning and look around and tap everybody on the shoulder and say where did your gran parents come from. and nicetieser that endorses that behavior and can watch that message that laura ingrahm puts out there yep i think my company shares those values i endorse those values i want to meet that ceo because i never met a ceo that would stand behind that. advertisers need to take a hard look at who is supporting that kind of message. >> donald trump can do that hip self. what a hypocrite. his mother was an immigrant to this country. his in-laws became citizens to this country.

immigrants that use chain immigration, a form of migration, i'll admit, i'll be the first to admit, i think it needs to be reformed. but i would not be saying it needs to end now because of gang members -- it's evil. but i believe, again, i'm fairly conservative when it comes to immigration. i've longed believed that chain migration needed to be reformed. but you don't go out with his broad strokes and saying look you can reform it. make more sense. yes you can even have it be based on what skills people will bring to this country. how they will make this country better. we, of course -- of course we have to let refugees in. that's who we are as a country. fleeing persecution. but donald trump, though, john harwood, is blasting chain

migration, saying it's evil, saying it must be ended now, and his own in-laws get in using chain migration. the hypocrisy is overwhelming for this billionaire populist. >> we don't know if there's some sort of subtext to his emphasis on that. i don't know how he feels about his in-laws. let's remember the context we're talking about. when ronald reagan was succeeding politically on the national stage the electoral was about 90% white. what's turned dog whistles from to primal screams is by people who are being displaced in this country. they are losing out economically. they don't like the cultural changes they see. because the republican party has lashed itself to the people who feel that anxiety the most

acutely they have to try ever hard to motivate them to get them out to vote and we're seeing the republican party change in real-time. in the summer of 2014 when the "wall street journal" nbc poll surveyed the electorate, 40% were whites without college degrees. this summer of all the people who called themselves republicans, 60% of them were whites without college degrees and those are the people who are struggling with the way the country is changing, and they know and we've talked about in the next 25 years whites are likely to become a minority in this country. they are not going to be majority any more and there are a lot of people who are concerned, scared by that development. >> you know, ruth, those demographic trends have been in place, locked in for 20 years now. i remember reading "time"

magazine articles telling us by 2040 whites would be in the minority. this is not a surprise to anyone. by the way, it's more evidence for the republican party and as guy benson and others have said, at george h. w. bush said in 1999 that republicans, conservatives must make their conservative message relevant to the lives of immigrants. they certainly can. i just -- i'll tell you what is so fascinating to me is that we've always heard through the years, haven't we, that there are racial tensions, there's violence against immigrants when there are bad economic times and people feel like immigrants are coming in taking their jobs. well, if you take donald trump at his word, this is the best economy we have ever had in the world. so what the hell are they

worried about because donald trump says they are doing better now than ever before. so, if that is, in fact, the case, this has nothing to do with economic fears. this is just straight out racism. >> was that in question form? if you take donald trump at his word is kind of a big if, and i just want to say you don't have to be a republican to have serious reagan nostalgia. i just don't think you should run that clip every day on the show. we should have it on a continuous loop. we should show it to the i.c.e. agents. we should show it to the customs folks. we should show it to the people who are waiting at detention centers because that is who we are. as you point out the changing demographics show that it's not just a moral imperative that ronald reagan was talking about for the republican party and

smart republicans have understood this for a long time, it's a longer term political imperative because that nativist approach will not be successful in the long run. i do want to say that, i want to be your sister margaret for a moment, as unlikely as that may seem and offer an optimistic take. i think a year since charlottesville we've had a national this is not us moment. for all the laura ingrahms of the world, for all the president trump and his not just failure to stand up to her rhetoric but what he's doing, there are a lot of people have been looking at charlottesville and saying this is not us. they are looking at the separation of children and families and saying this is not us. and i think that's what we need to cling to in the face of ingrammism. >> mika, it's such an important

message to be positive. because we're talking about ronald reagan. we also remember that reagan was an eternal optimist, where people saw grit, grime and decay, ronald reagan saw a city shining brightly on the hill for all the world to see. he believed in america exceptionalism and would not have believed in america exceptionalism if he didn't constantly believe that better days were ahead. that's what he always said. i think so many people can take the bait from donald trump and be too negative instead of looking at all of the positive stories we have out there of people pushing back, of all races, all creeds, all religions, all ideological background. >> i get that. i know that, you know, for quite some time now you've been saying calm down, we're going to be

okay. but john harwood, also i want to hear from al sharpton on this, this persists, this hey fred persists. these children continue to be separated from their families. the administration appears to even be pushing back on efforts to reunite these families. every time people step up and say this is wrong, more seems to happen. at what point do we need to do more than just say this is wrong. >> that's the point, mika, everybody is doing more than just saying this is wrong. you look what the aclu is doing and you look what lawyers are doing, what judges are doing. you look what activists are doing. you look what -- i mean john harwood, what private charities are doing. there is a great push back against this every single day, is there not, john? >> absolutely.

the different parts of the american spirit are, in fact, responding to the stimulus that you guys were talking about. some within the republican party feel that too. joe, two years ago i sat down with your friend paul ryan, the house speaker, and he was at that time trying to figure out whether or not donald trump was going to be the nominee and he gave a set of remarks to me that were very similar to ronald reagan. he said, you know, we're a country founded on an idea, not on the place of your birth or your ethnicity or whatever. he was mocking at that time -- >> have you seen that paul ryan in a while? >> that's my point. that's my point. within the republican party that has power to act politically, they simply either don't think they have the power or aren't willing to use the power to stand up and speak. and, you know, paul ryan at that

time was mocking donald trump's pledge to have mexico build the wall. he doesn't do that any more. and it's a reflection of political compromises that people make as we, you know, prepares to leave the stage as speaker and also some of the power realities within his party. >> yeah. it's a great point, john. there's so many things that have shocked me over the past couple of years. got to say the inability of republicans to stand up for things that they have fought for their entire life has to be at the top of the list. i always knew that donald trump wasn't a conservative. had said nasty things about ronald reagan throughout his entire life. had said nasty things about republicans throughout his entire life and conservatives throughout his entire life. unfortunately, again, going back to december 2015, i didn't vote

for the man, i knew what was coming, i never saw the republican party complete lly capitulate to him the way they did. we'll save that for another day. one of the things in conversation that you and i have had over the past several years that impresses me the most about you, is you look at a terrible situation and you call out the injustice, but then like we saw on staten island, like my good friend ron dileems did in the late 1960s you tell everybody to stay calm. and your message has been, again, in private and public, when we've talked over the past several years that -- and i like what meacham, the quote meacham

likes to say. as bad as it's been the arc of civilization is always moving upward and we always are moving forward no matter what the obstacles are in front of us today. do you still believe that? and is that message still critical for people who want to advance civil rights? >> it is critical, it's even more critical now. you know a year ago we had charlottesville. this sun i'll be preaching at mount zion in charlottesville because the real testimony is that there were those that stood up against racism and supremacy that we cannot forget. we can't forget the girl that died. but we also cannot forget the tremendous push back against the president's ugly statements, and martin luther king jr. said the measure of a man or woman is not where they stand in the time of convenience but the time of controversy. people are standing up. last sunday, joe, i was in

florida, clearwater, your home state where we were taking on the stand your ground, the whole stand your ground law. six years ago i went and did that with trayvon there was not a lot of white support. this time all five democratic candidates came to the rally and stood with us and even the republican, desantos said i'm not coming to the rally, i'm not an al sharpton fan but i challenge how you can shoot unarmed people and stand you ground. so if you keep going you can make progress. the hard part is fight wrong without enacting the wrong spirit and wrong feelings that you're fighting. you must be above it and stay above it but you must confront it. >> all the people said amen. >> joe, i want to say one thing about the better angels that you were talking about. i just came back from a week in

israel where an organization founded by two american brothers from the washington area who played college basketball bring israelis and palestinians together. they bring together kids with police officers in brooklyn. that's simply an example of the way in which people trying to do good are doing it all across this country and around the world. so there are reasons hope to that some of the polarization, divisions we're talking about can be brought together. it just requires effort and more people making effort. >> you're exactly right, john. it's a great story. it's a great example for all of us too. thank you so much john as always. we love having you. hope to have you back on very soon. and ruth, it is important for us

to do that, for us all, especially us to get out of our, the bubbles that we live in and reach out to other people that don't understand us and that we don't understand. but there's also, going back to a reason to hope, because of the government that we have. i think two of the most -- yes charlottesville was one of the darkest moments in recent american history, but i'll tell you what, the response to that and to those policies, so inspired in the virginia governor's race even though i didn't have a dog in the fight on whether the republican or the democrat won, but all those women standing in the rain in northern virginia for hours basically saying i'm not going anywhere. i'm going stay here. i'm going to stand my ground and i'm going to vote and send a message to donald trump. same in alabama, across the black belt of central alabama. black voters turned out in higher numbers in an off year

special election than they even did for barack obama in a presidential year. isn't that a reason to be hopeful? >> that is the reason to be hopeful. and as i said also the response to family separation is a reason to be hopeful. now i'm going to do the reason to worry, and you spoke about virginia. in virginia the candidate for senate tweeted, though he did untweet it about a candidate for governor democratic primary who lost in michigan called him an isis comme because he's muslim-american. this just has to be denounced by everybody involved. and the biggest reason for worry, weaver seen uprising from the public, we've seen bravery and upholding the constitution from federal judges, what have we seen from republicans in congress?

cowardice. i think of them like the flying monkeys in "the wizard of oz". i believe somehow once donald trump spell over them, his political hold is weakened in the least little bit and he starts to melt to keep on going with my analogy that they too will rise up against him and that it may not take that much to break the spell because they certainly privately have no huge love for president trump, but they have been the most disappointing element of the response in the trump era. >> "the washington post" ruth marcus, thank you very much. still ahead on morning joe the "new york times" keeps failing its way to many more subscribers and more bomb shell reports. we'll talk about the status of the free press under president trump. but first, one year since charlottesville. a look back at that deadly rally last year. what we learned it from and what still needs a lot more

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six months after marching in the deadly unite the right rally i asked gabe to return to charlottesville. it's time for him to confront the painful truth about what really happened here. most of the people i work with have never had a meaningful interaction with the people they claim to hate. jews, african-americans, or the counter protesters at the charlottesville rally. what saved me was interacting with the people i thought were my enemies. >> every time you meet someone from the other side is when you're like at a rally and you're both screaming at each other, about ready to fight or something. >> that was a look at the new msnbc special breaking hate which premiers this sunday on the one year mark of the deadly clash between protesters and white nationalists in

charlottesville, virginia. it shares the story of a white activist who dedicated his life to reforming others. christian joins us now. he's the author of book "white american youth." also with us in washington, contributor to members news.com editorial page think, sofia nelson. author of the book "epluribus one." thank you for being here. christian, tell me about gabe the young man you were sitting there with. why did he show up in charlottesville, what is he so angry about? >> i started working with gabe about a year and a half ago after his mother contacted me. it took him a while to actually talk to me. i worked with his mother and counselled her. we made progress. at one point he decided he wanted to go to charlottesville. he was missing the brotherhood

of it. but after he went there he really had the revelation that that wasn't something that he wanted to be a part of any more. so he finally reached out to me. he made that initiative to really talk about what was going through his heart and i brought him back there to face his demons. >> where does that hate come from? we've been talking about gabe. where did it come from you? where is the hate coming from? >> i don't think that ideology is what causes these people to hate. i think it's search for identity, community and purpose growing up and they hit what i call potholes in the road that deviate their path. if we don't have the resources to fill in those potholes and get us back on track we get dangerously lost. for gabe he grew up in poverty. he grew up where his father died when he was young. and he really just never had the resources and never had the interaction with people to build that humanization.

>> like a lot of gangs they fill a void that some young people don't have in their lives. >> that's right. they become the family they don't have. becomes a lot of other things. the danger is, though, when you get people seeking power or achieving power that plays into the element which is what president trump said making moral equestikwi equivalence be gives legitimacy to people like gabe who has a more difficult task of taking them out of that. they feel legitimate. they feel this is the american way to hate. that's why people in power ought not to play on this and pump these emotions that ought to be turned around. >> there's a documentary coming out about jihadists, this footage that shows we've never seen before, same thing. lost young people and given the sense of identity, give them a sense of brotherhood to the

point where they will lose any sense of humanity. where it's gangs, white nationalists, jihadists, same ideology. >> sofia, we talk a lot about hearing these important documentaries and thing but what is the real wake up call that you think we need to see as nation to start coming together? even beyond parties but just as a nation. >> well, you know, a year ago we talked about this and willie asked me a question, sofia what's the best outcome in the aftermath of charlottesville. one i hope we start listening to each other and hearing each other. the second thing is that i think we have to acknowledge that there are two different americas. i think for me as an african-american woman in the past year plus, it's really become acute to me that i live a very different experience as a black woman in this country than

does someone white. it doesn't matter what class we're from what education levels we have we're living in two different americas. you see that narrative play every day whether 911 calls on black people in starbucks or eating lufrmg at smith college or the way we're treated in predatory lending or the way police stops and altercations with the police. it is a very different experience and i think that what we have to do if we're going to fix this is have the conversation about race that we still have yet to have as a country. yes, we've had legislation. yes, we've passed laws. you can't legislate people's hearts and your guest said something profound when the young man said it's when i had to talk to my enemies, listen to what he said. when he had to engage with those whom he had fear or anger or ignorance about that's when he understood this is not the right

way. that's the way forward for us. talking and engaging and listening and not dismissing each other but actually hearing each other. >> well said. to sharpton's previous point about president trump, when you talk to people like gabe, you talk to other white supremacists willing to talk to you and reach out to you do they bring up president trump? do they feel he's given them some cover to come out from under their rocks? >> absolutely. what he's doing is he's normalizing the language that they use behind closed doors that's edgier. but they feel so empowered by this because they feel like they have a person who has their back. because he's using more palatable language than they use. he's speaking the same language. >> what do you think? >> it breaks my heart to hear the president of the united states is responsible for this. you had some great clips in the

lead in. ronald reagan and others. no republican president in my lifetime has talked like this. no president has talked like this. donald trump, it's not a dog whistle it's a bull horn. it's a calling the black players in nfl sons of bs. it's the language. i grew up in working class american. i know what it's like to group in that environment. trump stokes that kind of thing that people are already afraid of losing their jobs, losing their wealth, losing their ability to send their kids to school. they are fearful. he stokes it. this gentleman is right. it makes me sad. that's not what the president of the united states of america ought over to do. that's not his job. >> yet he cosmopolitans to do it. the documentary will be fascinating. breaking hate is on msnbc on sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern. sofia nelson great to have your perspective. thank you very much. this morning we played four

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you know, willie, the last ronald reagan clip gave me even more chills than the first one we came in with.

when reagan was talking about again in his final address that with every new wave of immigrants we are sure we'll forever be young and forever be on the cutting-edge of where we need to be in the world, and the date of that was 1989. it would be, of course, within the next two, three, four years that issilicone valley would kpleed. it usher in silicon valley the information age we still live in, and without the sort of immigration policies that ronald reagan was preaching and the sort of immigration policies that donald trump is demonizing, we wouldn't have steve jobs, we wouldn't have had apple, we would never had google, we would never had yahoo!. we would never had e-bay.

the revolution, at intel would never have happened. we would never have read it. we never would have -- you go one -- tesla. one company after another. refugees that came to america, brought their genius to america and said oh, my god, i can do anything here. and they changed the world. that's what donald trump, that's what right-wing talkers want to stop. and that's why we have to keep listening to reagan. >> it's been so instructive this form and informative to watch and important, i think important to watch that side-by-side. to watch ronald reagan speak. it reminds us how extreme donald trump's rhetoric is. this is george h. w. bush. listen to this rhetoric. this is a president talking about undocumented workers. many undocumented workers walk mile after mile heat of the day, cold of entitled some risked

their lives in dangerous border crossings. workers who seek the eastern living end up in the shadows of american life. bush said immigration is not a problem to be solved it's the sign of a successful nation. that's a republican president not 50 years ago, the last republican president talking about immigration and put that up next to what president trump says day after day on this issue. before we let you go, i want to talk to you about the trayvon martin documentary series. six part series on b.e.t. and paramount network. not a bad idea to bring thunder. you can't say enough about it. where are we six years later in this story? >> six years later, ironically today is the birthday of stephon clark who was killed by police this year in sacramento, california. his grandmother texted me earlier this morning. yesterday was michael brown's birthday who would have been 19 -- of 18 when he was killed

in ferguson. we're still confronting tissue of policing and what this series does, what jay-z's executive producer showed how this killing by a wannabe cop george zimmerman sparked a whole moment to nationalize it and that this was a real kid with real parents, real human being. so, yes, it shows the movement. it shows the need for a movement. shows why i'm going to charlottesville this weekend. but also shows these are real human beings that we're taking their lives away and they deserve the same equal protection under the law as anybody else's kid. >> again you say how far been heartened by support you've gotten from places you wouldn't expect a few years ago. >> i've been inspired watching ronald reagan. i never realized how reagan had such class and dignity. even his carriage until you compare to it a donald trump. and i protested reagan but let me tell you there's no

comparison between -- i rather have reagan on a horse than trump in the traufrp towers. >> six part documentary series arrest in power trayvon martin story is airing on the paramount network and b.e.t.. >> trump likes to call at any time failing "new york times" but the paper reported a major profit. we'll take a look at the "new york times" inner working during president trump's first year in office. office. that's next on "morning joe".

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people -- fake news, fake news. they are fake. >> when you read the "new york times," it's just story after story after story that is just a negative spin. >> the enemy. the enemy of the people, i call them. >> president trump continues to rail against the press, even saying recently that the fake news is dangerous and sick and can also, quote, cause war. a favorite target of the president has been the failing, so-called, "new york times." but as the times peter baker recently pointed out, the paper just added another 109,000 new subscribers for the seconder quarter, bringing the total to 3.8 million subscribers for digital and print. that's all of eyeballs. the showtime documentary the fourth seat conicals the job of journalists covering president trump in his first year in

office and the series recently earned an emmy nomination. take a look. >> we have a president who is very comfortable not telling the truth. >> very strange. >> we have a left that doesn't want to hear what the other side has to say. and we have a right that feels the same way. and all of those groups are picking through every story, looking for places where we failed. >> joining us now, the series director and producer, liz garbis, who spent the last year embedded with the times. liz, thanks for being on. thanks for doing this. what did you find? what surprised you in your year embedded with "the times" as you try to look at the challenge reporters face in this landscape, in this atmosphere, but also in what we do as reporters and journalists because we are an ever evolving

always trying to get better entity? >> i think what is striking is with all the attacks of fake news, and the enemy of the people and the idea that there's some kind of conspiracy brewing within places like the "new york times" or "the washington post," what i found was extraordinary caution. the amount of tips and possibly disinformation that comes in on a daily basis to these journalists and how wary they are of going out you with information that they have, that they can't triple, quadruple source. i think what we saw happen with brian ras was he went out with one -- that could happen to any day to any journalist that you could go out with a story you've been given on other people and then it could watch. that danger is there all the time. the fact that the "new york

times" writers get it right as often as they do is extraordinary. >> the transparency, they really gave you access to go there even in some of their most difficult moments. that they were confronting as a paper. >> yeah. he thought the best way to respond to attack was to be transparent. whatever anybody is accusing them of, even with mistakes, warts and all, it's not going to be as bad as what they're being accuse of. so transparency is the answer. .i think it was smart. what you see are team going to work every day, doing their best, and mostly getting it right. we know a lot of the reporters that you've highlighted in the documentary. did you find that they absorb the attacks from donald trump? is it on their mind? does it feel important to them that they're under assault from the president? >> i don't think it affects them day-to-day in the way they go about doing their job. the stakes have always been high when you get something wrong,

there are huge repercussions. it doesn't happen that much. when it does, they correct it and take it seriously. i think the stakes are higher now so that weighs on people. but you don't see them kind of really paying attention to it or engaging in it. mary baron said the president is at war but was ae journalists are at work. that's what you see. >> let me play devil's advocate and say yes, but these people are left leaning by nature. how can they be objective? even if they are trying to be. they vote a certain way, how are they not just leaning a little left as they're reporting? >> you know, journalists are human beings and, of course, they may vote. some don't vote, but they may vote and they may go out there and express that. but i think that what -- and dean has said this, too. the natural state of affairs between the press and power should be one of tension. it should be one of holding them accountable. they obviously went after hillary clinton with a lot of passion, right?

so i think that is the natural state of affairs between the press and power. with this president with a lot of misstatement, attacks, you feel that tension even more so. but i think it is the natural state of affairs. >> you know, mika, maybe most journalists are center left. a lot of surveys have shown that through the years. but you talk to hillary clinton supporters, they're just as angry at the "new york times." from michael sch mi dt's tough reporting through yao the 2015-16 campaign. so the "new york times" got it from both sides and the times is is it still getting hammered from democrats and hillary clinton supporters for their tough, fair coverage in the 2016 election cycle. >> all four episodes of emmy nominated documentary series "the fourth estate" available across showtime platforms. liz, thank you very much for your work. appreciate it. still ahead, does the gop have to lose now to win later?

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think it's fitting to leave one final thought and observation about a country i love. it was stated best in a letter i received not long ago. a man wrote me and said you can go and live in france, but you cannot become a frenchman. you can go live in germany, france or japan and you cannot become a german, frenchman or japanese. but anyone from any corner of the earth can come to live in america and become an american. >> so nearly 30 years separate those moments, joe, but watching ronald reagan speak that way actually brings me to tiers right now, especially seeing the way laura ingram really tried to encapsulate her vision of america right before that. it is one beautiful outlook of

how we have become this beautiful country versus something very trashy, very ugly and very sad. >> ronald reagan is so uplifting because as ronald reagan always -- he had this beautiful talent to reconnect us with who we were, to remind us about that dream that was and that is america and even when we fall short and we have fallen short so many times through the years. it's that dream, you know, the dream that all men, all women are created equal and also that dream that you can go to france, but you can't become a frenchman. you can go to germany, but you can't become a german. you can come to america and as general hayden said, it's pretty simple. you read the document, you understand the doum, you pledge

allegiance to the document and we shake your hand and you are every bit as much of an american as me and other people who have been here for 400 years. just like that. that is the magic of america and guess what? no president, no radio talk show host, no white supremacist in virginia can ever change that. >> you know, guy benson, a strong, conservative voice wrote this on twitter overnight. as conservatives, we should not fear or bemoan demographically shifted electorate. it's our task to make our cause relevant and accessible to more people. including those who may not initially be natural allies. and make them secure in the confidence that the our ideas

are better. and, you know, john meachum, i remember in 1999, george w. bush, a man who i disagreed with many of george w. bush's policies, with his spending, george w. bush quietly and publicly told republicans in no uncertain terms in running in 2000 and one of the major focuses of my major focuses will be to reawaken the republican party to the importance to reaching out to those who may not be just like us. to sphispanics, especially, the largest growing demographic group in america. we have to put this soft bigotry -- >> white supremacy.

>> -- we call it which is looking more and more like white supremacy these days. and george w. bush in his re-election bid got, what, 43, 44% of the hispanic vote because he did what guy benson said conservatives today need to do. make their views accessible and relevant. >> and you look at just as recently as john mccain who manages to -- remember, he says when a questioner probably the kind of questioner thatter laura was talking about who is not happy with the way the country is changing. he says he's, you know, obama is a muslim and mccain shuts quite courageously shuts the woman down in 2008. 2012, governor romney, a figure who his dad was born in mexico

because he was a part of the mormon missionary family. it was an internationalist view. it was a party that for all of its faults and all institutions on this side of paradise are flawed. for all of its faults, it was about that reagan-esque vision of all the prilg rams through all the darkness hurleding towards home. and that is in such extreme distress now that people who have been republicans for longer than 30 minutes seems to me need to fight for that party of their party or say good-bye for a very long time. >> we're going to -- we have susan delpercio, donny deutsch and gene robinson with us, as well. we'll stay on the spirit of the discussion, willie geist. michael gersen has a really good

piece out in "the washington post" about the politics i play and then we'll get to some stunning new details pertaining some of the core proceedings with migrant children and families seeking asylum. but, first, willie, the politics at play. >> speaking of george w. bush, michael gersch was a senior adviser to the president and gersh has a new column titled the only way to save the gop is to defeat it. in november, many republican leaners and independents will face a difficult decision. the national democratic party doesn't share their views or values. but president trump is a rolling disaster of mendacity, corruption and prejudice. what should they do? they should vote democratic in their house race. no matter who the democrats put forward. and they should vote republican in senate races with mainstream candidates, unlike, say, corey stewart in virginia. why vote strategically in this place? because american politics is in the midst of an emergency. if democrats gain control of the

house but not the senate, they will be a check on the president without become ago threat to his best policies. from a republican perspective. or able to enact their worse policies. the tax cut will stand. the senate will still approve conservative jumps, but the house will, under republican control, important committees, such as chairman devin nunes's house intelligence committee have become scraping, sniffeling panting and pathetic tools of the executive branch. susan, would you have worked in republican politics for a long time. what do you make of gersen's take in this moment? >> it's hard to hear. i'm torn about it. playing the strategic voting game is always a little differen difficult. it typically doesn't work out the way you want it. i think if there are republicans

you can support, you should vote for them. why would you vote for a lesser candidate if you think they're not up for the challenge? that's my first point. the second is if you think a republican has been an enabler of donald trump, don't vote for them. it doesn't mean you have to vote for a democrat. >> joe, what do you think? >> yeah, it's -- it's tough. i mean, it's very difficult. i remember in gene robinson in 2006 i remember writing a column making the same argument. along with christopher buckley and other republicans who said there has to be checks on -- we're talking about george w. bush, but on an administration that mishandled iraq, that was talking about exporting democracy to ending tyranny on all four corners of the globe through the united states

military, which was already overstretched. we were post katrina. but there was this feeling that there had to be a check. and there are times that you have to vote strategically. and it would be different if the legislative branch were actually an empty, functioning branch of this government, of madison's brilliant design, a government of checks and balances. but as we have been saying here all year, gene, the founding fathers, they foresaw a corrupt tyrannical president. they never foresaw an obsequious congress, legislative branch, that would lie down and simple hadly rubber stamp all of the worst proposals of this the -- of a tyrannical president. and whatever you want to define

donald trump, he is not madison and jefferson and franklin and washington's idea of a president. >> no, he's clearly not. you know, i think the founders would be -- you know, would be shocked that congress hasn't acted not just to investigate this president, but probably to impeach this president. remember, they were revolutionaries and they absolutely specifically planned for this sort of moment. and this congress is beyond negligent. it's beyond pathetic, really. i think it's a crime against the constitution that they're not fulfilling their duty even to investigate to protecting the president from exposure of his corruption. they're enabling this president who -- and let's be certain what

the contrast is. you heard that laura ingram quote. i mean, that's -- that -- let's not say that sounds like white supremacy or smells like it. that's what it is. that's what it is. >> that's what it is. >> pure and simple. >> and this is a president who is encouraging that and to say nothing of all the other things the president has done. i agree with george, vote democratic. also on the campaign train, virginia's republican senate nominee has just pulled down a tweet, but his message is still loud and clear. what corey stewart said about a muslim american running for governor. >> it's really just, mika, unbelievable and out and out -- i mean, basically, not a dog

whistle, but a fog horn. >> a blatant one. >> to bring in racists. >> but first, we go to bill car karins with a check on the forecast. >> i feel like i should give apologies to what's happening this weekend on the east coast with the rain and clouds. friday, by far, your afternoon/evening, the best you're going to get this weekend mid atlantic up through the weekend. as we go through saturday morning, you wake up to rain in areas of the capital district, rain and thunderstorms rolling in through portions of southern new england. notice all the clouds here. it's not going to rain all day in d.c. and battler more, the beaches of virginia, the del mar. we will see a period of showers and thunderstorms rolling in through sunday afternoon. cloudy in areas of new england and more come sunday. opposite of how hot and humid it's been. it will be drearier, periods of rain and cooler, too. out west, the heat is on today. 104 in boise.

look at montana. great falls at 104 degrees. 20 degrees warmer than normal. that's almost unheard of in that area of the country. here is the forecast for today. showers and thunderstorms the down along the gulf coast. the west coast, very hot and very dry. that's not going to change as we go throughout the upcoming weekend. your soaking forecast, on and off showers and storms, mid-atlantic up through southern new england on saturday. a very heavy rain in texas. chance of significant flooding there and there's your dreary forecast for the mid-atlantic afternoon storms in florida. so we're stuck in this weather pattern. the heat is in the west and the east remains soggy for periods of heavy rain. ns new york city, you're included in that. it's lunch outdoors today or maybe happy hour after work. (vo) this is not a video game. this is not a screensaver. this is the destruction of a cancer cell by the body's own immune system, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now.

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corey stewart in his piece. stewart is a republican nominee for the u.s. senate in virginia and responding a after a video surfaced from his 2017 virginia governor campaign in which he praised the confederacy for rebelling against the union. >> this the is the state of georgia washington that george washington and james madison and james monroe, it's the state of the founders. it's a state of a declaration of any penance and the constitution, but it's also the state of robert e. lee and stonewall jackson and j.b. stewart. because at the base of it, virginians, we think for ourselves. and if the established order is wrong, we rebel. >> amen. >> we did that in the revolution. we did it in the civil war. and we're doing it today. >> stewart, who grew up in

minnesota -- >> of course he did, by the way. >> and moved to virginia. >> they're always the worst. transplants in saying hey, i'm a rebel. >> is facing incumbent democrat tim cain this september. he responded to the video saying unlike wimpy tim cain, virginians have a warrior spirit and a rebel heart. in a tweet yesterday that stewart has since deleted, he attacked michigan democratic candidate for governor abdul el sayed as a, quote, isis commy. oh, my god. these people. >> where is it coming from? he comes from minnesota and he's trying to play tough southern boy. >> minnesotans are usually nice people. >> but he's not. you should go back. >> i don't think they want him. >> ned of trying to play the role of tough southerner. john meachum -- >> oh, lord. yeah. >> i really -- i don't know

where to start except, unfortunately, you can find far too many examples of these sort of posers, this guy posing as a southerner as the son of the confederacy. but all of this talk, from laura ingram, corey stewart, overlooks one small detail of american history that many americans said the same ignorant thing hundreds of years ago and 150 years ago when the irish came. they said the same ignorant things when the with germans came. they said the same iger norrant things when the italians came to america. there have been a small segment of know-nothings who have been saying the same thing about immigrants coming in this country for over 240 years. i ticked off a list a couple of days ago about immigrants and

their families that came recently and transformed silicone valley. if we had donald trump and corey stewart's view of america, then you wouldn't have had steve jobs over here. you wouldn't have had the founder of google over here, the founder of yahoo! over here, the founder of reddit over here, the founder of ebay over here. i mean, and if we want to go back a few years, even albert einstein may have ended up in a nazi concentration camp with donald trump's viewpoint on immigration. >> yeah. it's extraordinary that we're still having this conversation in 2018. but we're going to keep having it again and again. the talk about the confederacy and the talk about secession as a successor to the revolution, i find as a southerner abhorrent.

the south, the civil war, let's say it quickly here had. was about the institution of slavery. it was about the perpetuation of that institution. it was a struggle to end the journey enshrined in the preamble of the constitution toward a more perfect union. those sola soldiers would have the great american experiment that led to, say, victory in world war ii. that led to, say, victory over soviet communism in the deadliest potential struggle in human history over the 40 years or more of the cold war. it was -- and if anyone doubts that and so -- and start tweeting, you know, we can talk about this for the rest of the year. but that's what it was about. and when people try to appropriate it, and we're approaching -- this is the weekend of the anniversary of the terrible violence in

charlottesville where the president of the united states, one year ago, you may remember, had a hard time figuring out which side of the argument he was on. neo-nazis and clansmen or the people standing up for the america you just described. and that is one of the many reasons we have a crisis in the moral leadership of the country. >> coming up, a federal judge just jumped full force into the debate over immigration. why he ordered a plane carrying newly deported asylum seekers back to america. that is next on "morning joe." (ford chime) it's the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. you ready for this, junior? yeah, i think i can handle it. no pressure...

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and on.t top of that, we see th this administration was not even close to being prepared for what they want to do which is why we're in this disaster that we have. i wish that the first lady would take her parents and her new -- her parents are newly citizens down to the border and see what's happening to those children. that's something that maybe they could relate to seeing how hard it is and the struggle that people have coming into this country. a lot of this were peeg to come in legally. this is not how we treat people anywhere, nonetheless at our border. >> just incredible. >> the trump administration wasn't close to being prepared for the ramifications of this policy. they were warned about it by hhs officials saying it would have a devastating effect on children and we've seen now that they're so desperate to try to clean things up that they've now told

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russia's prime minister has warned the u.s. that the sanctions it plans to impose on russia following the poisoning of a former russian spy in britain this year could be treated as a declaration of war. secretary of state mike pompeo has signed off on a determination that russia violated international law by poisoning sergei skripal and his daughter back in march. the new sanctions could cut off hundreds of millions of dollars in future exports to russia. a second more painful round of sanctions could kick in three months later unless russia provides reliable assurances it won't use chemical weapons in the future and agrees to on-site inspections by the united nations. those are conditions unlikely to be met. the kremlin has strongly denied involved in the attack despite the evidence. joining us now, john glazer and

former dod official, former executive director of the grand tall end wmd janet farkas. good morning to you both. john, i'm interested in your take on this. you see chance sanctio you say sanctions have a poor track record in terms of the target state. flush that out a little bit. >> the academic literature is pretty clear on this. although washington has a past time in washington to levy sanctions on countries that we disagree with, the history of them shows that they don't tend to actually change the behavior of the target state. and that's especially true when they seem to be punitive as opposed to tied to clear concrete policy goals that we want the target state to reach in order for sanctions to be lifted. sanctions are supposed to be about incentives.

and when they seem to be -- today, these days, more about domestic politics in the united states instead of changing russian behavior, they're very likely not to work at all. >> so not effective just as punitive tools, perhaps, evelyn. in your experience, though, how important a part of the package are they with diplomacy? >> i think sanctions are incredibly important. we've seen them work in the case of iran. we got the nuclear deal with iran because we put pressure on them with sanctions. what's important to ♪ is the sanctions alone are not enough. you have to implement them. so in another example on north korea, we've had sanctions for decades. back when i was working on sanctions on north korea on the hill, once we started implementing those sanctions more aggressive areally with, even under the trump administration, you saw an incentive for the north koreans

to go back to the negotiating table. we have older examples, south africa during the apartheid period, there were sanctions put on south africa, bands on investment and divestment occurred. that does have an impact on south african society and on the government. so i think if the sanctions are implemented properly, they can have an effect. in the case of russia, what we see now that we're building deeper and more biting sanctions on russia. >> but, hely, juevelyn, when yot our policy right now under this administration of america alone, the fact that we can't get other countries with us to stand behind some of these sanctions, does it make us a little weaker in what we're trying to do? because we don't get to come in with our allies. >> well, so, susan, that's an excellent point. that's part of the implementation. you need to have as much as possible, a global group of actors. so with the u.n. umbrella implementing the sanctions. and that's exactly why in the case of iran it worked. because we had sanctions on iran

before even prior to the obama administration. but president obama deployed his team and these were countries that were floating under the radar in terms of implementing sanctions on iran prior to the obama administration pushback shutdown, if you will. so i think it is really important to work in concert with our allies and other countries that are not necessarily part of an alliance with us strictly speaking. >> so, john, as you know, the president of the united states has said nobody has been tougher on russia. that's his rebuttal to the argument that his campaign was in bed with russia during the campaign. he says as president no one has been tougher. he will use these new round of sanctions as ammunition for that argument. let's set the record straight. how tough has this at administration been on russia? >> there's been contradictory signals. on the one hand, president

trump's rhetoric is obsequious towards president putin and he's been talking about bringing them back into the g-7 or g8. he's been very light on harsh criticisms in terms of russia's actions in ukraine and so on. but in terms of policy, i don't see that we've changed very much from the obama years except to make it slightly harsher. so last year, he we invited the 29th member of nato, montenegro into the western alliance and that clearly is opposed to russian interests. we might be doing the same thing with macedonia as the 30th member. so nato expansion is clearly something that issurks putin. we've been engaging in military exercises in the baltics, in the black sea, we've reaffirmed the

commitment to nato. we've bombed the russian ally, the assad regime in syria twice. so, yeah, we are sanctioning them and we're continuing to have kind of hard line policy towards them in both the middle east and europe. and so i'm not quite sure that trump is being weak except for his rhetoric. the policy seems to be pretty hard line. >> i want to get you both in on another major story from overseas that involves the united states. the united nations secretary general is calling for an investigation into a saudi led coalition air strike in yemen that killed dozens of people yesterday, many of them children and supported by the united states. nbc news correspondent matt bradley has details and a warning that many of the images here are graphic. >> the images disturbing ander heartbreaking. children pouring into a hospital, most of them under 10 years old still wearing their backpacks and school uniforms, covered in blood. after their school bus was hit

by a bomb, a crater, at the site of the air strike, the smoke from the blast visible from miles away. at least 29 children returning from a school picnic among the dozens killed. aid groups demanding an investigation. >> children shouldn't be collateral damage. >> this little boy covered in soot and surrounded by the dead just minutes after the strike was asked if he was okay. my legs hurt, he said. saudi arabia and the united arab emirates have been bombing yemen for more than three years, helped by intelligence, advice and equipment from the u.s. they're trying to fight off rebels backed by iran. saudi arabia and the uae said this attack was justified. the u.s. said it had nothing to do with it. but as the war goes on, the consequences have been devastating. more than 10,000 people dead, mostly civilians. but it's the children, half of yemen's population, who bear the brunt of this war.

matt bradley, nbc news. >> so evelyn, as we look at those pictures, i want to read to you a tweet from united states senator chris murphy, the democrat from connecticut. he wrote yesterday after seeing this report, u.s. bombs, u.s. targeting, u.s. midair support, and we just bombed a school bus. he goes on to say we need to end this now. how involved is the united states here in yemen and how much responsibility should it hold? >> willie, i think first of all, excellent reporting. and the only thing i would add is that there's increasing starvation so that 18 million people don't have access to food and cholera. so the situation in yemen is very bad. it's been getting worse. we've been supporting them behind the scenes. we need to actually put -- use our pressure on the saudi government in the first instance, but uae and make sure that they bring this to an end. this is a war that doesn't need to be fought. and congress is increasingly asserting itself and, of course, you can imagine if we have a change after midterms, they'll

be even more assertive. but there are laws on the books with regard to u.s. support to countries that are engaged in this warfare. if they are blatantly sdarding human rights, basically, with inability to differentiate between military targets and civilians, then we should not be giving them military assistance. >> you know, john, these are the sort of wars that donald trump promised to get the united states out of. he certainly has been threatening to remove the two, three, four thousand troops that are in syria right now. but this isn't even the first tragedy with the united states military's fingerprints on it in yemen. i mean, listen, if you're engaged in a war, then even the best intentions go awry at times and mistakes happen and the consequences are tragic. i guess the question is, how much longer is the united states going to be in a position where

these mistakes can happen in yemen and this suffering continues in yemen? >> let's be clear about this. the united states involvement in the saudi war in yemen has been shameful since the beginning. there are mounting credible claims of saudi war crimes in yemen and they have u.s. support. we've been helping saudi with refueling of planes, logistic support, intelligence communication, we're even on the ground and coordinating with them. there was a report from the associated press the other day that the saudis are cutting deals with al qaeda militants in yemen and we are some sort of cooperating, the pentagon is cooperating, coordinating, holding off drone strikes and air strikes against al qaeda militants so saudi militants can scurry them out of there. this is rotten. the war crimes in yemen is now the blood is on our hands as well as saudi hands.

our involvement should stop now. it's against our security interests. it's against our moral interests. >> all right. john and evelyn, thank you both for being with us. coming up next, nancy pelosi is endured as democratic leader, but now she's battling members in her own party on her left and on her right and it's unclear if she'll win back the gavel if democrats win back the house. we're going to have new original reporting on that on "morning joe." it's kind of like playing your own version of best ball. because here, you can choose any car in the aisle, even if it's a better car class than the one you reserved. so no matter what, you're guaranteed to have a perfect drive. [laughter] (vo) go national. go like a pro. see what i did there?

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so the markets in the u.s. are set to open in about 30 minutes, with big losses over the value of turkey's currency, which took a dive, and the country's president warning of an economic war. and the president just tweeted, quote, i have just authorized a doubling of steel tariffs and aluminum tariffs with respect to turkey as the currency slides rapidly downward against our very strong dollar.

>> against the turkish lira right now, hitting an record all-time low. 20% lower, week to date, and down 35% this year. the bonds in turkey have sold off as well, pushing the yield above 20% on the 10-year, compared to 3% on the u.s. 10-year. this came as president erdogan told his citizens that do, in fact, have euros, gold and dollars, to change them into turkish lira as part of the, quote, national struggle against those who have declared economic war on them. of course, he's referring to the u.s., who imposed sanctions, following the decision not to release the american pastor. this has weighed heavily on european markets. the german dax, the french cac, close to 2% down this morning. weighing on sentiment in the u.s. the dow down over 100 points in the premarket. expecting about 0.5% of declines when markets open.

though that does come with the s&p 500 still only 0.5% away from its record all-time high made in january. >> all right, thank you so much. greatly appreciate it. now, on to house minority leader nancy pelosi. she's of course one of the longest serving leaders in the history of congress. if democrats win back control of congress this year, nancy pelosi would become the first person to claim the speaker's gavel after losing it, since legendary sam ray burn in 1955. but pelosi's place within her caucus right now is anything but secure. as "morning joe" and nbc's ali vitali reports. >> if hillary clinton had won, i might have gone home. >> reporter: after nearly 16 years as leader, nancy pelosi is still the most powerful woman in washington. >> with donald trump in the white house, no way. >> reporter: it's what's next that remains to be seen. the year that female house

candidates have smashed the record for major party nominations could also be the year that pelosi gets pushed out of party leadership. >> i won't be voting for pelosi. >> i won't vote for nancy pelosi. >> i won't vote for pelosi. >> reporter: the candidate uprising is partly fueled by anti-establish energy on her left. >> i want to see new options. i want to see what we have. >> reporter: but mainly by democrats on her right, including top recruits facing attacks in typically republican districts. >> it's all a big lie. >> reporter: lamb successfully distanced himself in his election win. unlike georgia. democrats need to pick up 23 seats to control congress in 2018. an nbc news canvass of candidates and their statements found at least 41 nominees openly oppose pelosi. another 34 said they're neither for, nor against her. from competitive races to long shots, a mounting number skeptical of another term with pelosi at the helm. but it still pays to have her on

your side. she has raised more than $87 million this election cycle. with thousands going to candidates who oppose her. >> i love it. >> reporter: despite the calls for -- >> new leadership. >> new leaders. >> new leadership. >> reporter: -- aside from her 2016 challenger, ohio democrat tim ryan -- >> i've not closed the door on it. >> reporter: alternatives have been slow to emerge. last time, 63 members opposed pelosi when the caucus voted behind closed doors. in the housewide roll call, that number went to 4. in a sizable bloc commits to taking their opposition all the way, pelosi would lack votes she needs. for now, she's the one setting the terms of the debate. >> i'm female, i'm progressive, so what's your problem? >> reporter: ali vitali, nbc news, washington. >> all right, thanks so much to ali. you can see more of the candidate's reactions to nancy pelosi and what they're trying to do to get elected by going to nbcnews.com. now, donny, you have been left out of very important discussion

this week that you wanted to jump in on. why don't we end the week talking about your guilty pleasures when it comes to music? >> yes, i'm kind of -- you and i and a lot of people think we're separated at birth, joe. we dress the same. we have the same -- >> no, we don't, no. >> but we both -- abba, i'm an abba guy. it's in my ipod. i'm proud to say it. i'm a proud lover of abba. >> okay. even if you don't really pronounce it the same way their 2 billion other fans do. >> how do you pronounce it? >> abba. abba. >> what did i say? >> if you're an american, you say abba. you go "ubba," but maybe that works in the hamptons for you tonight, donny. >> that's what helps me out there. >> donny's worth $400 million. final thoughts this weekend, going into the weekend, what are your final thoughts about everything you've seen?

pretty extraordinary ronald reagan clips. >> that's really what stood out to me. i was thinking i really need to go back and look at some of his speeches and remind myself how i came to become a republican. and those values are the ones worth fighting for. and we'll be able to continue to do. >> it really is -- the first clip we play of ronald reagan was so moving. but donny, it was that second clip where he talked about the waves of immigrants with every new wave, it gives us new energy and keeps us forever young. ronald reagan's words. >> if we were watching it back then and he spoke that way, you could almost take it for granted, oh, that's usa 101. i really miss usa 101. something that would be so -- you could look at it as, oh, that's a typical speech. you go, wow, where is that man. >> well, i tell you what, it is around, if we look for it.

there are a lot of people pushing back against what just is abnormal behavior in the white house and beyond. well, listen, you have a great weekend this weekend. we're going to pass it a long now to stephanie ruhle, she's going to continue with the news, stephanie. >> thanks so much, joe. hi, i'm stephanie ruhle with a lot to cover this morning. starting with the president kicking off the new nfl season the way he ended the last one. tweeting complaints about the players kneeling during the national anthem. meanwhile, a state of emergency has already been declared in charlottesville, ahead of the anniversary of the deadly unite the right rally. as the mother of the woman killed in last year's violence carries her own daughter's legacy with action. >> you see something wrong, do something about it. you may not be able to fix it, but, my gosh, if everybody tries to make the effort. >> land of the free. a federal judge order