>> an idea once so deeply engrained, true or not, will not go away. tom and his children make a life as best they can. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline." i'm craig melvin, thank you for watching. good morning. i'm dara brown in new york at msnbc world headquarters. it is 7:00 in the east, 4:00 out west. here is what's happening. president trump takes on omarosa. >> do you feel betrayed by her? >> low life. she's a low life. >> hush money deal for the president. trump versus his lawyers. he wants the interview with mueller. they want him to stay quiet. >> we are going to be the laughingstock of lawyers if we

let him testify. >> i will say this, if i could be, i would love to speak. i would love to. nobody wants to speak more than me. >> is the president at odds with his attorneys? >> 2020 vision, who is in iowa and may be looking to take on president trump? we begin with a live picture of the white house and heightened security in the area ahead of counter protests of the unite the right rally where the demonstration is planned to cross the street. in charlottesville yesterday, they marked one year after the first white nationalist rally and the killing of a protester. the president tweeting about last year's incident calling for peace. his former white house aide omarosa, telling tmz, if the president wants to start a race war, he is succeeding.

she will appear on "meet the press" later. let's bring in two panelists. great to have you here this morning. daniel, let's start with you. what is the conventional thinking for president trump. he never spoke out against her. >> they have been long friends and allies. she won on "the apprentice accounts. they have been in the order until the recent break up. this is what happens when you bring in reality stars into your white house to serve as senior aides to the american people and that just did not turn out well. so, they tried to have a strategy of not giving her attention, unlike the michael wolf book, but it seems to be backfiring. >> her credibility has been an issue, but how damaging are the

claims as it relates to racism? >> her credibility is a question right now. she went on npr over the weekend and claims she heard the president say the "n" word. she heard a tape of him saying that and outtakes of "the apprentice." in the book, she doesn't say that. three unnamed sources heard it and told her. those inconsistencies help the white house in making this controversy go away when there are questions about the president's attitudes toward race, divisive rhetoric and things we know he has said. >> daniel, your colleagues say she fears her life is in jeopardy, giving family members tapes she has that she is murdered. what are you hearing? >> she is wearing disguises. it seems farfetched that president trump is going to go after omarosa and hire a hit man

against her. those types of statements she has made shows paranoia and there is no evidence that trump is having hired goons to go after her. that's not his style. we even spotted her in gorgetown the other day, walking on the street, wearing no disguise. clearly, she is of two minds about this. >> do you think it's drama from her? >> i think, you know, we expect from omarosa, this is what we are going to get. i think, what is she going to do next? what job, what company is going to hire her? >> she adds to that now. liz, slate.com released an excerpt where she recalls abrasive comments about trump jr. do the claims match reporting out of the white house since president trump took office? >> yeah, i think some of the stuff in the book rings true,

though it's clouded over by the questions about her credibility. the way she described chief of staff john kelly firing her sounds true. he said she had ethical issues. she said i want to talk to the president. he said no, you work for me, i'm the chief of staff. the way he mocked her when she said she was going to haiti and why are you going to the hell hole, but used stronger language. we know he said something similar to that. >> they are accusing president trump of not going far enough in his tweet when he condemned racism. ivanka sent tweets including this one, while americans are blessed to live in a nation that protects liberty, freedom of speech and diversity, there is no place for white supremacy, racism and neo-naziism in our

great country. do those words have impact? >> somewhat, but she is ineffective in moderating rhetoric in the last year and a half that trump has been in office. she tried to save the paris climate accords, not successful. her paid family leave bill is not getting off the ground. so, while she is an influential aide to the president and she is very smart, she is advising him sometimes, he doesn't always listen to her. it seems too little too late in some of these instances. >> liz, we are also coming off a week where the president attacked lebron james and went on to talk about the nfl kneeling. what are you hearing from republicans on the hill, whether they are concerned if it hurts the party's chance of reaching out to independents in november. >> what you hear over and over again, stay on message, talk about tax cuts, the economy

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a new tell all book from a former white house aide could be creating hush money headache for the president. omarosa claims she was offered 15,000 per month in hush money to keep quiet about the white house. here to break down the legal implications of the claim and much more is prosecutor doug burns. good morning. >> good morning, dara. >> they say it was a nondisclosure agreement attached to the deal after she was fired from her role at the white house. is this standard or hush money? >> a nondisclosure agreement, they come in different forms. they have a unilateral one, they have one with both sides and ones with more people involved with a period of time attached to it and what can or cannot be disclosed. as far as the chronology of the question, i don't think there's a huge distinction qualifying it

as hush money, necessarily. i mean, again, it's hard to break down the claim. you need a lot more information. i suspect there will be more analysis on whether it's true or not. make no mistake, you have the legal discussion. i said this many times, dara, and the public relations. public relations wise, it's an attempt to shoe horn it into a stormy daniels type thing. >> what differentiates this from stormy daniels and karen mcdougal? >> i don't think there's a huge distinction. both were nondisclosures that went forward and i don't really think it's that big of a difference. here, they didn't enter into it, basically. >> president trump's lawyers are negotiating with robert mueller's team for a sit-down between the special counsel and the president. the public discrepancies could be part of a problem.

let's take a listen. >> are you going talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it. >> do you have a date set? >> there's no obstruction. >> we are going to be the laughingstock of lawyers if we let him testify. >> i will say this. i would love to speak, i would love to. nobody wants to speak more than me. >> because of them, we don't want him to testify. they are not fair. >> i have always wanted to do an interview because, look, there's been no collusion. there's been no talk of russia. >> you couldn't put a lawyer on the show that wants to keep his license to get him to testify. >> go in, talk to robert mueller and tell the truth. >> i wouldn't be an attorney if i did that. >> would you be willing to speak under oath? >> 100%. >> a lot of back and forth. what is the public disagreement with the president and his team

do for the defense? >> what they are trying to do, honestly, it is straight forward. they are setting up the public relations and interaction and the public relations on law is the president saying i want to go in 100%. i want to speak. but, it's my mean lawyers who are preventing me from doing this. grudgingly, kicking and screaming, i'm going to seed to them and not do it. that's the narrative they are creating, plain and simple. you have heard all kind of legal experts and they are right. i'm not quick to jump in, it's a perjury trap and all that. the reality is given the back and forth, it would not be a good idea for him to do it. he is not going to do it in my crystal ball opinion. he is going to blame it on the lawyers. >> is the legal team trying to run down the clock so it is a political chip as we get closer to the midterm elections? >> i heard that discussed earlier. i don't disagree. there's an issue about the

november midterm elections and the chronology of the investigation and that. that's right. the other thing that you asked me before that is interesting, will he subpoena him? that's an open question. i really don't think he will, actually. >> we'll talk about the subpoena. if he has to subpoena president trump, would supreme court justice neil gorsuch have to recuse himself from the case? >> that's a very interesting question. gorsuch, in the sense that formally from a legal ethics standpoint, there's no formal reason to recuse himself because this person appointed him. on the cavanagh one, interesting because he has written a lot about executive authority and the president. so, you could make a claim that maybe he should recuse himself if it got down to that. i think formally, with both of them, the answer is no. as i said with cavanagh, it might be more compelling.

>> doug, what do you think is better, to sit down with mueller or have him subpoenaed? >> from the standpoint of the defense, you mean? no, at this point, it's clear he shouldn't voluntarily sit down. that forces the hand with the subpoena. as you have heard people say, and they are right, it sets up a legal showdown and tracks back to your question a minute ago into the midterm elections. mueller may walk away from that. the better course is to simply, ultimately not agree, use the pr spin, i wanted to go in, my lawyer said not, i am going to follow them. >> we'll see how it plays out. great to have you on. >> my pleasure. new reaction to michael avenue -- avanatti's advice. >> the trouble with facts. a late night take.

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countdown to the midterms, the battle for congress. voters go to the polls in 86 days. four primaries on tap, minnesota, wisconsin, vermont and connecticut. >> get your friends, get your neighbors and get out and vote. >> the president encouraging republicans to vote. turnout could be a key factor in november. two recent primaries underscore voter enthusiasm. last week's elections generated the biggest turnout since 1978. in california's june primary,

the biggest turnout in two decades. the president's turnout remains arguable. republican strategist, kevin madden says trump could hurt the gop. he tells "the new york times," there is no doubt trump is increasing democratic turnout. at least one democrat is speaking out against a 2020 run by stormy daniel's lawyer, michael avenatti. he spoke with my colleague yesterday. take a listen. >> i think he's an effective lawyer for his client, but i think we need experience. look, we have looked at rolling the dice and electing a developer from manhattan with no experience and it's been a nightmare. it's a nightmare for republicans. >> let's bring back liz and daniel. is this along the lines of what you are hearing from democrats after avenatti shot down

michelle obama's when they go low, we go high approach? >> yeah. not just about what representative swallow was saying about experience versus outsider. there's resistance among the establishment to copy trump. there's a feeling it won't work for democratic voters, seem inse sere. that should not be the way forward. there's a feeling that the thing avenatti was saying about being a fighter, that was a debate within the establishment candidates. elizabeth warren is trying to establish herself as the fighter candidate. i think that's a legitimate debate and why avenatti fired up the crowd in iowa because people want a candidate, democrats want a candidate that can, you know, punch back on president trump and, also, draw eyeballs to their message. in 2016, hillary clinton was drown out by president trump.

>> it will be interesting for 2020. daniel, i want to segway to this report by our colleagues at nbc, some 50 democrats saying they will oppose nancy pelosi. daniel, how big of a deal is this and will nancy pelosi be ousted? >> there's a feeling among democrats that pelosi is dragging down the democratic brand. it makes it harder to win back the house. so, there's a desire for fresh blood. she is not seen as a person who can bring that. also, republicans use pelosi in tv ads all the time. democrats want to reprooif them of a talking point. that's why you have all the candidates that want to win in november, but don't see pelosi as helping the cause. they want someone to actually, you know, take over in congress, if they win back control who can actually bring a new message and

serve as a fresh face to the party. >> liz and daniel, before i let you go, i want to play audio that msnbc obtained from a group of devin nunes a week ago. listen. we're the only ones. it is really a danger. thank you for saying that, by the way. we have to keep all these seats. >> liz, i know we have to keep it quick, but how is this in light of the russia investigation and his committee? >> i think congressman nunes is admitting he sees his job as protecting the president. a lot of republicans admit openly and trying to use as a motivator to the base so the democrats don't take back the house and launch investigations. >> liz, good one.

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