that wraps up this hour of msnbc. now it's time for "a.m. joy" with my friend jonathan capehart. >> i was invited in to give a speech to that regard and as we were closing down -- i have to go, i have to go. >> i don't know what just happened with our guest but we'll try to find out what happened and she was standing on the location where it looks like now violence has broke out among the crowd. >> good morning and welcome to "a.m. joy," i'm jonathan capehart in for joy reid. one year ago today as "a.m. joy" was live on the air, a rally of white supremacists and neo-nazis in charlottesville, virginia,

turned violent. our guest, reverend traci blackmon, one of the counterprotesters, had to leave our interview when it turned deadly. a white supremacist drove his crowd into demonstrators and claimed the life of counterprotester heather heyer. that spoked this infamous response from the president of the united states when he endorsed some of the people in the clashes as "very fine people." and today not too far from the white house white supremacists will rally again marking one year since those deadly clashes in charlottesville. joining me now is curt bar della, former breitbart media consultant and president and ceo of endeavor strategies. jennifer rubin, opinion writer at the "washington post," and michael steele, former chairman of the rnc and political analyst for msnbc. thank you all for being here. curt, let me start with you, because if memory serves, you were on the air with us that morning a year ago when that happened.

give me your reflections and your thoughts a year later. >> you know, just hearing that segment again it gave me chills. i was on the air with msnbc for almost three or four hours straight and you couldn't believe you were seeing what was unfolding in 2017 in this day in age, the age of information technology and open internet. for that group of to feel so empowered and then for there to be a human casualty, this wasn't a free exercising of opinion this resulted in the death of a human being. i feel so badly for the family and friends of heather who have to relieve this through the

coverage this week, through the people trying to do this again today. it's heartbreaking and a reminder that we have so much more progress that needs to be made in our society that these things that bubble under the surface have been given new light and voice thanks to president donald trump. thanks to his lack of leadership, his lack of moral clarity and frankly thanks to people who continue to enable this and give a platform to these views. and while they may not be overtly racist, they troll in that territory. and i think what we see everyday, programs like on fox news where even though the overall movement of the alt-right may have suffered with the death of heather, what we see now is the public every single day broadcasting of these alt-right views through platforms like fox news. >> jennifer, let me ask you the same question, your reflections and views one year later. >> i think it was shock because slowly it has come to the realization of many people in

white america that there is still a virulent, violent strain of white nationalism and racism and i think they are wrestling with that still and what has been, i think, a horror for all of us, for all americans is that the president has not stopped. he didn't re-evaluate himself. he began with that terrible statement that you recall and then it's been downhill ever since. he's been race baiting, he's been misogynistic, he now refers to certain countries as s-hole countries, he talks about infestation of mexican immigrant s. it's gone from bad to worse and it's a reminder that elections have consequences and character matters. the worst decision many republicans made was saying, well, he's a rotten character but he's going give us tax cuts, or but gorsuch or he's going to give us the supreme court. in fact, character is everything

for a president. it sets the tone for the country. it gives people permission, empowers people to do bad things or good things and it has been a corrosive effect on our society that continues and will keep going downhill until the day he leaves office. >> michael steele, you are the only person on this panel, i think, who remains a republican. kurt, you were a republican, jennifer, you were a republican. michael steele you are a republican. but you have to distinction of being the only person on the panel who was the leader of the republican party when you were chairman of the republican national committee. as a republican and as an african-american one year later your reflections on what happened in charlottesville and quite frankly what's happened to your party on president trump. >> i'll start with the last thing first. what happened to the party is it's been trump phied or whatever you want to call it.

they have not just taken the bottle of kool-aid, they've inserted the iv, that's where they are. they here in that space and there will be ramifications to jennifer's point at the polls tarting in november but there goes to the broader reflection of where we are today. the question is how far have we come? it's out of the legacy of the civil rights movement or struggles we've faced as a nation. so how far have we come? i would dare say not far at all. in fact we have been made to stand still in space and time largely because we have a leader who wants knob that space. he wants us to occupy that space. folks asked this week why hasn't

the president sid something or tweeted something about this moment, about charlottesville. and he had. he had with his tweet to the nfl players again reminding his core base that these people are un-american and sort of setting that tone that the constitutional rights that they have are somehow less or diminish diminished because of their skin color, the work they do and that they don't conform so a year from now we have to ask yourselves yet again how far have we come. and my fear is it will be not far. >> you know, president trump yesterday sent out a tweet marking the one year anniversary, we see it there, the riots in charlottesville resulted in senseless death and division, so on and so forth, this morning brau ing ivanka tr

out a twitter thread saying one year in charlottesville we witnessed an us lis di place of hatred, racism, bigotry and violence. the next tweet, while americans are blessed to live in a nation that protects freedom of speech and diversity of opinion, there's no place for white supremacy, racism and neo-naziism in our country. rather theiring each other down, we could lift each other up and help americans achieve their full potential. where is that ivanka trump when it matters? why duds she find her voice through the distance of a series of tweets? because she's a coward. because she is her father's daughter. shi wouldn't be there. she is complicit to revive a phrase and her mentioning white racism, mentioning white nationalism does not make up for that horrendous statement the president issued. he doesn't use the word

neo-nazi. he doesn't use white supremacist. when he says "all kinds of racism" that's a bullhorn to the white nationalists to say whites are discriminated against, too, we can all be victims here. no, this was a specific act of white nationalism directed at african-americans. he wouldn't recognize it a year ago and he still won't. he never learns. and if ivanka is going to be part of this administration, she's responsible as well. it doesn't help her to differentiate herself by tweeting something on sunday morning. >> who was about to jump in there? >> it was me. i think there is a softening. ivanka comes back behind an action of her fathers and softens that. she gives it -- she says effectively what he should have said or phrases it the way he should have said it and somehow the thinking is that will

placate, that will be enough but jennifer has it exactly right. ivanka isn't president of the united states. her father is and her father sent out a tweet that was basically a bunch of innocuous bs that said nothing because it didn't address the core issue. just blocks from the white house today -- and i'm all for free speech -- but you can say something about the fact that white nationalists and neo-nazis are marching on the streets of our nation's capital and feel emboldened to do so. to share and push out their hatred for americans who don't look like them or live where they live, et cetera. so the expectation for the president, yeah. will he do it, no? i don't know what we're going to get out of this. >> and kurt i want to bring you into this. we spent a lot of time talking about president trump and the role he's played in exacerbating racial tensions in this country

but we cannot leave out the republican speaker of the house paul ryan or the republican senate majority leader mitch mcconnell who have been in washington a whole lot longer than the president, who have been involved in politics and republican politics a whole lot longer than the president. they are leaders or at least they should be but when it comes to this, when it comes to racism and bigotry, especially as it comes out of the oval office of the white house, from the president of the united states, they have gone mute. what responsibility do they have in the worsening racial tensions in this country? i say that because a poll was out, element five, 55% of the american people say race relations have worsened. what is the responsibility of speaker ryan and majority leader mcconnell in all this. >> they have as much culpability as donald trump right now for the dee tier your rating state of racial relations in this country and this is the reason. their silence, their absence

from these conversations is the reason why i left the republican party because donald trump aside, the leaders of this party, the ones who have been there the longest, who should if you will know better, have gone in hiding during these important conversations. when donald trump is saying nfl players who exercise their first amendment right to protest racial inequality in america, when he says they should lose their livelihoods, they're not saying anything about it. i don't see ryan or mitch mcconnell with the counterprotesters standing up to the racist march. they're missing in action. when donald trump and his administration are rounding up hispanics, latinos, arresting them, separating their kids and families, they're not doing anything stop that. i'm so tired of the occasional statement of we're shocked, this was inappropriate but do nothing to back that up. and this is the reason why the republican party is bleeding people away, a whole generation of people are going to abandon this party and never go back because of what they're doing now.

they might be able to hold on for a short while, get a supreme court justice through but at the end of the day the entire soul of the republican party is lost. >> with that, we'll leave it there. thank you, kurt bar dell. jennifer and michael will be back with us. on the one year mark of the deadly clash between protesters and white nationalists, msnbc shares the story of a former white supremacist to who dedicated his life to reform each others. watch "breaking hate" on msnbc. up next, an exclusive interview with house democratic leader nancy pelosi. stay with us.

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>> whoever has the white house, that party tends to lose the midterms. i don't know why, maybe it's complacency, maybe you all fight so hard for the presidency and you win and you're complacent. that was two years ago. >> donald trump may be worried a blue wave is headed to washington this fall. for the first time in this election cycle, election forecasters say democrats have more than a 50% chance of taking back the house. if that happens, l nancy pelosi reclaim the speaker's gavel? i'll ask her. joining me now, democratic house leader nancy pelosi. leader pelosi thank you for

being here. >> my pleasure, good morning. >> before we get into the politics and midterms and everything, on this one year of what happened in charlottesville, what are your reflections one year out? >> it's so terribly sad. the year has gone by quickly but it has not diminished the sorrow this is for our country. we're going backward and the president with all of his statements is the master of the dog whistle everything he has done, whether it's taking babies out of the arms of their moms, whether it's issues that relate to health care in our country. access to services and the rest is -- his whole thing is make america white again, that's his thing and he can say a nice thing today in a tweet but the fact is his actions speak louder than his words and everyday om the congress we have to fight those initiatives. i'm proud of our house democrats on different committees who

fight those initiatives. >> i'm going to ask you the same question that i asked my previous panel in terms of we focus on president trump and his culpability in worsening race relations but you've been on capitol hill for a long time. you've worked with speaker ryan you know mitch mcconnell, why haven't they spoken up as leaders h in the united states against something as pernicious as white supremacy and racism. >> let me remind you that when the republicans took power when president obama was president of the united states, what mitch mcconnell said is the most important thing we can do is to make sure he does not succeed. if that wasn't a racist statement. that is unthinkable. we worked with president bush although we had our differences. you don't make a statement to make sure the president doesn't

succeed. why did he say that? why did he say that? so i think that when you ask that question, you're attribute ago higher set of values to the speaker and to leader mcconnell than is worthy of their actions. >> let's get into the midterm elections, democrats are hoping to reclaim the majority in the house of representatives which they lost in the 2010 midterm elections. there are a lot of people out there, particularly democrats, who are saying the democrats have no message. the democrats -- they don't know what they're for. they know they're against president trump, but they don't know what they're for? is that a true statement? if it's not, what are democrats for? >> democrats are for the people. >> what does that mean? >> it means we are for the people having lower health care costs, deucing the cost of prescription drugs, democrats

are for bigger paychecks by building the infrastructure of america, creating good-paying jobs. democrats are for making government work by reducing the role of big dark money in politics. all of these are connected because the culture of corruption, cronyism and incompetence that is prevalent in this congress, in this administration impedes the ability for us to raise the minimum wage, to clean the air, to reduce the cost of prescription drugs so we have unified in our message, this came from the members and it is being road tested now in august as we go forward. i'm very proud of david cicilline, sherry bustos and hakeem jeffreys who honchoed this. it's not that we don't know what we stand for. it's how do we convey the message? we have to brag about it more. i was with our top democrat on

the appropriations committee and we were talking about how 40 times in the last appropriations bill the democrats had to fight back nasty stuff the republicans had in there that undermined our role to no the needs of the american people, whether it's the air children breathe, the education that they are entitled to. opportunities for their families. so what we have to do -- and campaigns give us this opportunity -- is to give clarity to the different between democrats and republicans and it's fast. you only need look at the budget. the budget is the statement of our values. what's important to a nation should be reflected in how we allocate our resources. what do republicans do? they have a scam, a tax scam that takes us $2 trillion in debt, stealing from our children's future, putting us deeply in debt and then the president comes out with a budget that says we'll take $2 trillion from medicare and

medicaid so just look, we have to make sure people see that distinction and the opportunity is fast. people are responding. we intend to win this election. >> you used a phrase "culture of corruption" and i had a deajja moment because culture of corruption was the mantra in the 2006 midterm campaign when the democrats retook the house of representatives. compare the culture of corruption that democrats were campaigning against in 2006 versus the culture of corruption that democrats are campaigning against in 2018. >> well, again then and now that was part of our message. at the time we were also fig fighting president bush's attempt to privatize social security so that was our main theme and then the culture of corruption because people were being indicted and subpoenaed and the raes and alo-- rest and

then you had katrina. you had somebody's college roommate heading unfema and a natural disaster became exacerbated as a man made disaster and the president's numbers went down. in this case it's a similar situation except it's so much more into the executive branch president trump's cabinet and the rest and effort that culture of corruption, cronyism and incompetence stands in the way of stopping the pollution of air, in fact, promoting it. the water our kids drink, safety of the food they eat, stopping the increase in prescription drug prices. the list goes on so there's a real clarity now in the obstacle that their culture of corruption is doing to impede better policy. >> let's talk about a specific

example of corruption. congressman chris collins in new york republican who was arrested, talk about corruption, for insider trading, among other things, you see on the screen he's worth -- his estimated net worth $66 million. what does it say to you that there's a member of congress, republican, who just sort with impunity flouting the laws of this country? >> well, actually, it hits right to the point. we have been fighting to have the secretary negotiate for lower prescription drug prices. the committee of jurisdiction for that is the energy and commerce committee where congressman collins served. he sits on the board of a company that is in that business it's all wrong. members of congress should not be sitting on boards of

companies, especially those whose impact -- are impacted by policies so this is appalling but it shows the brazenness of it all. you have to give republicans point for brazenness. look at the cabinet, look at pruitt. effort he was polluting the air stealing from our children's good health to protect the vested interest and the dark special interest money and collins said during the tax debate he said the donors are calling and saying unless you pass this doesn't call me again so when we talk about lowering costs, increasing pay and making government work, there's a direct relationship between reducing the role of that dark money in politics and improving

the policy for the american people. and i'll add this, martin luther king said the ballot legislation your life. his friend who marched with him, walter reuther said the lunchbox and the ballot box cannot be connected. what you gain at the negotiating table you can lose in the legislature depending on what happens at the ballot so there is a direct connection. it's winning votes across the country. we fully expect to win but it will be close races. >> now that i've got you fired up, we have to take a break but can you stay for one more block? >> i can stay if you can stay. >> i can stay. leader pelosi is staying with us. more after a break.

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maxine. mack a seriously low iq person. maxine waters is leading the charge. >> back with me on set, democratic house leader nancy pelosi. leader pelosi, what's your reaction to donald trump's attacks on your colleague? he's afraid of maxine. he's afraid of me. he's afraid of women who will be coming into congress. he talks about there's no place for racism and then he speaks that way. it's really disgraceful. it's disrespectful to maxine, of course, to women, to minorities but he -- i'm always guide bid our founders, ple plur buibus u. he likes to make a statement in his tweet about no place for racism and engages in it

constantly. it's shameful. >> before we went to a break i asked you about congressman chris collins, he's going to try to get his name taken off the ballot. cook political report put it as a likely republican seat but who knows now that it's -- he's suspended his campaign. yes, that was a statement i thought it was a sound on tape but he says democrats are laser focused on taking back the house, electi ing nancy pelosi speaker and launching impeachment proceedings against president trump and then he goes on to talk about how he's suspending his campaign. if the democrats take back the house, are you going to impeach the president? >> when democrats take the house we will seek the truth. we will have the power of subpoena. we want to get to the bottom of how the russianings undermine our elections chblgs we want to protect the integrity of our electoral system.

we have to know the truth. the republicans refuse to seek the truth by committee assignment, by establishing an outside independent commission and the president, of course, kowtows to putin rather than respecting the consensus of his own intelligence agency so we will seek the truth and where the truth takes us, we'll see. >> you'll seek the truth. will that require you to wait until special counsel bob mueller is done with his investigation? or if the democrats take back the house you will proceed accordingly? >> they are two different things. we can't possibly know what is happening in that investigation and that will be its own path but in terms of our ability as majority of the house to investigate the disruption of our own elections, that's a pont we have. we have a responsibility for oversight of the executive branch not to protect the

president as mr. nunes says, we're there to protect the president. no, we're there as the first branch of government, article one, the legislative branch with our own responsibilitied so i think you will see a seeking of truth, fact, evidence, data. truth and then we can make our decisions as we go forward. >> i said a couple times if democrats take back the majority, you said when democrats take back the majority. if the democrats do take back the majority they will be in need of a speaker. >> there we go. >> and you are the focal point of that discussion because you were speaker of the house when democrats took back control officially in 2007, you were the first woman speaker of the house. now though nbc news has a story about all the democrats who are running who are running for election this year democrats

opposing pelosi. 42 of them are democratic nominees, nine of them are incumbents who have said that they will not support you in the run for speaker. >> well, let me just say first of all --. well, why not if the democrats take back the house give up the gavel? >> first of all, i know nbc has been on a jag as one of their priorities to undermine my prospects as speaker. i haven't asked one person for a vote. i know how important it is for us to win the election because i see up close and personal what the republicans and this president are doing. i do not think the opponents should select the leaders of our party. they are spending tens of millions of dollars against me bass they're afraid of me.

i outraise them in the political arena, i outsmart them at the negotiating table and because i'm a woman who is going to be at the seat of that table. if hillary clinton had won, it would be different but i'm not yielding that. now i do believe none of us is indispensable but i think i'm the best person for the job and i won't let the republican ads which are just flooding these districts and i say to candidates do whatever you have to do. just win, baby. one in five children in america lives in poverty. when the caucus decides, it will decides whose name to send to the floor. only after the election will i ask people for their support. >> i want to zero in on something you said in that answer. you said that it's -- part of the reason is because you're a

wom woman. your favorable rating among democrats surprised me given the scuttlebutt. it's a 55% favorable rating among democrats in the latest gallup poll. your counterpart, senate majority leader mitch mcconnell, his favorable rating is 48% among republicans. neither of you nationally is terribly popular but you're more popular than he is. you are about the same age. do you think there's a reason why there's so much focus on you and opposition to you is based on your gender? >> well, first of all let me say there's a better poll than that. >> of course you have a better poll! >> it's 3-1 democrats favor within the party so my numbers are better than any of the other leaders. but that point. you reference it but it's better than that. let me say this. i have made some very powerful enemies. challenging the fossil fuel

industrial in terms of clean air, clean water, food safety and the rest. wall street with dodd/frank reform. health care, bringing in all of the anti-government ideologues. name any subject, whether it's the environment, whether it's a woman's right to choose, whether it's gun safety, whether it's immigration fairness and the rest labor rights. there's big money that comes in against the role of government because many of them are anti-governance and specifically to these issues so it's big money against me. the more they make this point, the more money i raise. if you see their fund-raising letters they say we have to stop her because she's just a force amassing resources to win this election and i'll continue to do that and they only help me when they go after me.

but i'm the least important part of it is what's important is what matters in people's lives. i tell the candidates don't mention donald trump, it's not about him. he's self-evident, it's about your relationship to the constituents, their financial security which is related to health care, cost of prescription drugs, medicare, medicaid, pre-existing condition, it's about how they are not getting big raises in their pay even though we're giving big money to corporate america. so it's about financial stability and their families and the public sees the connection between big money being an obstacle to big raises for them and lower cost for them so i've amassed a good array of very wealthy people who don't want to see me as speaker because i'm effective. >> final question. do you foresee a situation or a

possibility where you would decide not to seek the speakership if democrats were to win the majority in the midterms? >> that's the least important question of all. it's an nbc question i know because that's a jag you are on. what's important is that i'm staying focused on winning this election. i'm not thinking about what happens next because what is important is that we take it back for the american people and that means winning the house and hopefully the senate, the governorships and all the rest. so what's less -- what's more important to me is winning at the polls. i remind you, our house democratic caucus is the majority women, people of color

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>> low life. she's a low life. on the one year anniversary of the violence in charlottesville, donald trump blasted omarosa manigault-newman, someone he chose to serve in the white house. >> this morning omarosa fired back. >> instead of talking about how to unify the nation he insulted me by call megaa low life. that's a man inclined to start racially charged engagement and use race to kind of stir up his ba base. >> joining us is tara dowdell and a former contestant on "the apprentice." and back with us are jennifer rubin and michael steele. tara, i want to come to you as a former contestant on "the apprentice." should we be surprised that

omarosa has written a tell-all book, that that she's going out there and leveling serious charges against donald trump, against the president of the united states. >> we should not be surprised because omarosa is a reflection of the president. the president surrounds himself with people just like him so if omarosa is a low life, the president is a low life because if everyone you surround yourself with is a low life, a mercenary, an amateur mercenary, a criminal, a gift frommer, you are that. you judge people by the people they surround themselves with so i think this presents a great opportunity for democrats to reinforce our message and that's about the fact that we have a president who has a culture of corruption all the way up and down from congress to the senate who abides everything he does, facilitates and enables everything he does and democrats need to call that out. the other thing democrats need to do is connect the issues to

the fact that if you have this kind of unserious leadership, this kind of chaotic and corrupt leadership, how does that make your life better as a voter? this is a great opportunity to do that. >> michael steele, are you surprised by what omarosa has done and what she's saying in this book she's written? >> i was amused by the low life point because this is his wholly owned, created and branded and put out into the public version of omarosa. so the fact is they are two sides of the same coin and they feed off of each other and they have fed off of each other so this is not a surprise and people just need to stop with the shock and awe here and just realize what's going on. this is about book sales, this

is about shedding a little light, i guess, on the inside. but, again, i don't think donald trump is that put off. i looked at his facebo when he said that. he's proud of his protege, she's doing already. >> yesterday we played a clip of omarosa when she was on what was then up with steve kornacki and we interviewed her as trump whisperer and you were there. i don't know if the control room can pull that up but since you were there three years ago, since you were there three years ago, give me your impressions of the omarosa who sat in this very studio and told us she had hillary clinton tattooed on her left arm to the omarosa who went to the campaign, went into the white house and has written this tell all book that doesn't make anybody look good. >> if you notice in that clip what i did, i reached across the table -- >> and grabbed a doughnut.

>> and i grabbed a doughnut because i had to put something in my mouth to keep from saying something i shouldn't have said. >> try saying it now. >> the fact of the matter is this has all been an act. this has all been reality tv. the core of where omarosa fits in as far as i'm concerned is in that commercial when she looked to that camera and told us we would bow down to donald trump, that we would be in his mesmerizing gaze. that is the play. so all of this now on the back end, the hurt feelings, the shock that he is a racist and i can't believe he says these things and the complaining about calling people names, she was there for all of that. she didn't step out and defend the people who were called names by the president. she didn't step out and defend against what happened in

charlottesville. she stood silent because it worked for her then. >> we have the tape from three years ago where you see i'm asking omarosa how can she support somebody who talks this way and campaigns this way. he is running for office of president of the united states. and at a certain point i think it's coming up right here where he starts -- look. he grabs the donut. in the minute that we have left i want to get the last question in this torrid topic to jennifer. how seriously should we take omarosa's book? i know there are a lot of people who will not take her seriously. how seriously should we take her book and what is in it? >> her system of self promotion works because she suddenly is the shiny object and everyone

floods to get the interview and get the story. i don't think the book is important. if there is anything on the tapes that is a different matter but the book not serious. >> thank you very much for that. jennifer, michael, thank you very much. coming up, the cultural sensitivity of laura ingram in her moment of maxeen. we'll be right back. and american express has your back every step of the way- whether it's the comfort of knowing help is just a call away with global assist. or getting financing to fund your business. no one has your back like american express. so where ever you go. we're right there with you. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it. don't live life without it.

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some parts of the country is does seem like the america that we know and love doesn't exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been among the american people and there are changes that none of us never voted for and most don't like. from virginia to california we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that of course progressives love. >> welcome back. in the same week that we mark one year since the violence clashes in charlottesville laura ingram is under faur f-- fire. her changes as she criticized

democrats who she claimed were trying to remake the country by embracing immigrants. it was a message that was championed by former kkk leader david duke who tweeted calling it one of the most important truthful monologues in the history of the msm referring to the mainstream media. duke later deleted the tweet. ingraham later said her views were being distorted. >> the purpose was to point out that the rule of law meaning secure borders is something that used to bind our country together. despite what some may be contending, i made explicitly clear that my commentary had nothing to do with race or ethnicity. >> joining me now executive director of share blue media.

"vanity fair" special correspondent gabriel sherman. thank you very much. in that sound 06 laura ingraham, the thing that kills me is the verb foisted, has the these were foisted among the american people. >> it sounds like she was saying it was forced among the american people and somehow immigrants coming to the country whether without the documentation or with the correct documentation or to seek legal asylum somehow are forcing a reality in the united states that white america does not want or that they are uncomfortable with. what she is saying is that when the country is not majority white it makes the people that watch laura ingraham upset. it upsets them to see brown and black people in public places. i think we have to remember that

the stories that we are seeing in the news and in our social media feeds of white people calling the police on people of color for napping and existing in public spaces, this is all connected to this rhetoric, not that it is a new phenomenon, but the fact that white people are feeling more and more comfortable to call the police is because of this rhetoric. this contributes to that. >> in the year since charlottesville and the timing of her racist monologue koint--coinci koint--coincidental. is the president supported by white nationalists. is the president a white nationalist? >> are we really asking that question? i think we know the answer to that question. >> we do. i think a year ago it was i can't believe this is happening. now we have a white nationalist in the white house, what are we

going to do about it? >> for fox news this is not the easiest situation because corporate america doesn't like to be associated with white nationalists. we have seen advertiser boycotts in the past. the advertising for laura ingraham and sean hannity has not been growing. they are supported by subscriber fees. this is not a growth business to be in if you are trafficking these extreme right wing views. for the management it is a calculation. this is short term ratings goaled. >> so i'll let you come in here. what is it going to take for fox news to pivot, not just pivot, shift, change their focus, change their angle. put laura ingraham out of a job? >> they are essentially held hostage by their audience.

these are the 30% or so of america who will listen to anything donald trump says. we have seen in the past when fox news took the side of its anchor over donald trump the audience rejected fox and took trump's side. this is an unprecedented situation. >> they are in the same problem that the republican party is facing. they have been catering to the trump base for so long that they are stuck having to continue to do that. >> there is a fox news audience according to the a.p., the audience at trump rallies is primarily white and so it is for fox. its primetime audience this year is 91% white and nonhispanic. >> 91 seems low. >> there is a cancer on this country being fed by parts of the mass media. if fascists had run a tv network in germany it would look like

fox news today. for the short term fox news was the opposition party under obama. they are the opposition party during the 2016 campaign. they turn around and republicans run the federal government. they wallow in the alt right gutter. they go for the white nationalists. it's disgusting. we find out rupert murdoch has no moral compass. >> i was struck by the degree she is in the gas lighting. she talks about demographic change. >> and legal immigration. >> and then the next night she says i wasn't talking about race. we can all see the video. >> that is the thing. she can say i wasn't talking about race because i didn't use the word "race". that is part of the battle it seems that we are fighting is

that they can honestly say i'm not talking about race. everyone else like -- we know what you are saying. look over her shoulder. you see the border crossing. she has farmhands. we are not talking about race. someone take this from me. >> when david duke is saying this is the truth and i'm so happy that somebody is speaking the truth, regardless of whether or not he deleted it after the fact she is talking about race. they applauded her. i don't think there is any confusion. >> for the mainstream press there is the shock i can't believe fox is doing this. race baiting was the hall mark for eight years. a lot of people were ringing very loud alarm bells. a lot of the d.c. establishment media rolled their eyes.

this is just hard ball partisan politics. we have a cable news channel that traffics in white nationalism and a white house that promotes it. i think it would have been helpful if people paid more attention. >> we are seeing daily life. in the last year white extremist murder has doubled which has now become twice as many people as islamic terror have killed. we're seeing this happening in our daily lives and it is being fed by the media. and it is being promoted by the white house. at this point we have gone from being upset about undocumented immigrants to booeing upset abo asylum seekers. this is getting narrower and narrower focusing directly on people of color who have come to this country. i don't want to think about where we are going to be one

year from now. >> the operative word was "we". who is the collective we? the we is white people. congressman steve king talked about you can't replace america's birth rates with other people's babies. this use of "we" and "other" is classic race baiting. this is a staple of this administration. >> something jesse was saying a moment ago reminded me of this "fox & friends" audio from june 6, 2017. i think we may have used it. i want to at least say now the price they have to pay for multi culturalism is the risk that you are walking on the sidewalk or a man or woman will purposely mow you down and someone will put a knife to your throat and slit it with the attempt perhaps to behead you. this is what you're talking about is fanning these flames

that the other, the non-white person who is living aroun slee in their own residence hall while studying at an elite ivy league university is someone who is out to kill you. >> that goes back to my point where they used to be focussed on partisan politics. now they will say we will focus on every day citizens. we will declare war on brown and black people. this is outside the realm of politics. this is every day life now. they declare war on a huge portion of our population. >> so then how do we counter act it? we can hammer at this. we can have panels like this every day until something is done. what can be done? you cover our industry. is it advertisers running away from them? is it consumers, viewers, activists hammering away at the sponsors? >> i think there are several

things going on. one is the demographics of fox's audience. it is getting older and whiter. this is a shrinking population of america. in the long term this influence is on the way down. in the short term it is destructive. advertiser boycotts can bring pressure. laura ingraham has had to walk back things she said. i think between that skpand the ballot box. >> that's not stemmed fox news one bit. >> i would say two things. the media has a responsibility to call out racism using the word "racism" when it is present. there is a tendency in the media to be very moderate when labelling something racist. i understand why that is. this is the moment when things are actually racist. you can't deny the racism that is present in our culture. we shouldn't be giving platforms to white nationalists and acting like that is just another side

of the coin and an argument that we should give credence to and merit and say it is just a debate. white nationalism is calling for the removal and the killing of people of color and jews and homosexuals, anyone who is not a white, straight male. we have to call that out before more people die as a result of this extreme reeme rhetoric. >> there is not much we can do about fox news because it is a propaganda arm of the state at this point. we have a white house who is descending into authority. we probably can't stop that without stopping the trump administration ourselves. we can -- i used to go on fox

news. i thought it was important to have the opposition show up and make a point. not anymore. we need to stop giving them -- i wouldn't be going on german state tv in 1933. so we all need to step back from participating in that and understanding what it is. >> there has to be -- shunning isn't even the right word. d.c. press has covered for fox news forever. in 2009 the obama administration said they are not a news network. >> and all hell broke loose. >> we are still to the point where this is a racist network. >> i think that is the other thing that has pressure. people inside fox -- we saw a correspondent resign. if there are mass resignations where the employees are basically revolting that might cause management to put the brakes on. >> is one of the solutions the

white house press corps just leaving the room empty sending interns or just sending a pool? having one print, one tv, one wire, whatever, and just have that be that. >> they had the week off because trump was on vacation. i would love it if they came back and no one showed up. there is no factual information at that press briefing. it is a platform for lies. we have been talking about collective pushback. i guess there will be 70 newspapers printing the same editorial about trump and his war on the press. that is a start. it's about two years late. not showing up for press briefings would be great. >> thank you very much for being here. up next, your moment of maxine. congress woman maxine waters joins us live. what will you discover with a lens made by essilor?

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he's afraid of maxine max. e he is afraid of me. he is afraid of the women coming into congress. he talks about there is no place for racism and then speaks that way. >> that is house democratic leader having a strong message for donald trump and showing her support for maxine waters. now it's time for our own moment of maxine.

congress woman maxine waters, thank you very much for coming on the show. >> you are absolutely welcome. i'm delighted to be here. >> i have to ask you since i asked leader pelosi her reaction to the president attacking you saying you have quote a low i.q. now that you are on the air and with us, what is your reaction to the continual attacks of the president of the united states against you personally? >> i'm not going to be diverted in what i'm doing to bring attention to this lying con man. i will continue to resist him. i will fight and tell the truth about him. i'm not going to allow him to somehow intimidate me. i don't care what he says about me. i know who i am. i know what i do. i am the ranking member of the financial services committee of the united states house of representatives where i guide my colleagues in the democratic

party on financial services issues dealing with wall street, all of the insurance companies, all of the oversight agencies that are responsible for financial services. so i do my work. i will continue to do that. but i'm going to continue to go after him. i have been after him from the minute he revealed himself and defined himself when he was running for office, when he disrespected women and talked about grabbing women by their private parts. this is a lying, deplorable, divisive, dangerous man who does not deserve to be the president of the united states. he can say anything he wants to say about me, my friends and others like lebron james or don, any of these people. i know that he is trying to get us away from pointing out who he really is and defining him for

what he is. i'm not going to stop. i'm in this fight. >> congress woman, among the many things he said about you, he has called you, quote, the new star of the democratic party. the new star of the democratic party. he is trying to make you a liability for the democrats. if the democrats take the majority, that you are going to be in charge in some way -- are you a liability to the democratic party? there aren't very many colleagues who are doing what you are doing which is calling on the president to be impeached, calling on your colleagues to impeach the president. does that not make you a liability for the democratic party? >> he is trying to frighten whites about maxine waters. here is this black woman and she is controversial and she said things about me. she does not move away from her

position on impeachment. he is trying to fighten them. it is not going to work in the final analysis. even some of the people who voted for him who will be hurt by the tariff policies and is going to be hurt by his tax policies are going to see who he is eventually. many of them are going to move away from him. i know there is a lot of talk about his constituency and the people who are going to stand with him no matter what he does. it's not enough of them. they are not going to win. we are going to win because we are on the right track. protecting our democracy, we are the real patriots who are standing up for what we believe this democracy is all about. so let him continue to try and frighten people, to scare people, to call folks names. we are going to stay on the issues and talk about health care. we are going to talk about obamacare. we are going to talk about the

fact that they are trying to get rid of the biggest policy that has been made to ensure that all people have access to health care. getting rid of preexisting conditions is what is in this obamacare and he does not want that to happen. we are going to talk about this infrastructure. we are going to talk about job creation. i want to tell you, many of the jobs that he is touting about, he is saying he is responsible for are going to be undermined by his tariffs in the way that he is creating the tariff war. it's going to hurt california. we are responsible for the export of fruits and vegetables and wine and nuts and already we are feeling the brunt of these tariffs. so we are on the issues. we are not going to stop. call me whatever he wants to, it is not going to intimidate me. >> if the democrats retake the house, democrats will be in

charge and will need a new speaker. a lot of people are saying the former speaker nancy pelosi shouldn't be in contention to be the next speaker of the house if democrats take back the majority this november. where are you on that fight? should nancy pelosi step aside if the democrats retake the house and let a new generation of democratic leaders step in? >> listen, you know, i don't believe in this business about people basically criticizing one and because of that criticism you have to step aside. you have to get out of the way. i want to tell you, democratic politics is such that people get a chance to vote for whom ever they want to be leader. some of the people who are running for office now may change their minds even if they have said they don't think they are going to vote for nancy pelosi. so it is up to our caucus to make that decision. and i don't think she should

voluntarily do anything. as she has said she has not asked anybody at this point. she is focussed on taking back the house. i think there will be a lot of democrats who will be appreciative for that. let's see what happens when the vote is taken. >> congress woman, your birthday is on wednesday. happy birthday. on wednesday, if you can be granted one birthday wish, what would that be? >> i guess now my biggest birthday wish would be that we are able to get a leader of this country who represents us, who has the respect of all of our allies all over the world, someone who has an appreciation for the constitution, someone that does not lie every morning when they get up with these tweets, someone who not only respects women, but all of the people. and instead of dividing us would

take leadership to bring us all together. this is the greatest country in the world. but he is undermining our democracy. he is making us ashamed of him. and he is being destructive to this democracy. this is a man who is criticizing nfl players because they are not doing what he thinks they should do in saluting the flag in the way that he wants them to. he doesn't even know the words to the star spangled banner. he is not truthful. he is a hypocrite. i would wish that we could remove him from office and go about getting the kind of president that we can all be proud of. and if he is not impeached, if he cannot be impeached, 2020 is coming up. i believe that american people are going to do the right thing for our country, stand up for what is right and get rid of this man who is embarrassing us

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so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he is asked that question. they already know that. why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath? >> you are saying you didn't tell abc news that you said something along the lines of can you give him a break? >> donald trump's tv lawyer rudy giuliani is back on the sunday shows this morning, this time trying to debunk what could be a central part of potential obstruction of justice case

against the president when trump allegedly asked james comey to, quote, let go of the investigation into michael flynn. when confronted with his own words things got a little confusing. >> i just want to play the sound so people understand why i asked the question. how is he a good witness for the president if he is saying the president was directing him in his words to let the michael flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him to do that. >> so can you give a break, you said that? >> i said it but i said before that i'm talking about the aversion of it. lawyers argue in the alternative. we have been over it long enough. why would i say something that isn't true? >> oh, man. joining me now is legal analyst at msnbc.

thank you for being here. i am more than a little confused. we just heard rudy giuliani in the first instance say the president never said it. he will testify to that. then jake tapper plays tape of him on george stephanopoulos saying exactly what giuliani said he didn't -- you know where i'm going. explain this to me. >> this is why donald trump has to be concerned about sitting down with robert mueller, not so much because of the collusion part. i think rudy and donald trump think donald trump can talk his way out of collusion because he will say i know nothing. on the other hand, the obstruction of justice part is where it gets tricky for donald trump because of all of the inconsistent statements. what we are seeing with his attorneys both giuliani and others is that they get sent out

with one version of the story and then the story evolves possibly as the client is telling a different version. every defense attorney has a story of a client burning them with an inconsistent version of the facts. that is why defense attorneys have to be careful when they go out and talk to media that they have independently verified the story. >> what do you make of giuliani 18.0 when it comes to defending the president? >> i think this is very typical of what giuliani has been doing the whole time. for the trump team there are two courts, the court of law which they find irrelevant and the court of public opinion. giuliani's main tactic which is the tactic that the trump team has used for ages is to make truth not matter and dominate the narrative and put other people on the defensive and make people think there is no way of getting to the truth. obviously, the truth matters. if the truth did not matter they

would not work so hard to suppress it. trump has confessed to obstruction of justice numerous times. i don't know how many times a president needs to confess to obstruction of justice before somebody does something. that's my question for that team. >> you make the point that i have been making, also, for a long time. there is the court of justice, law and public opinion. at a point don't you think the court of public opinion can turn against them if you put those flip-flopping inconsistent stories that we have heard from just giuliani alone where people decide you said white was black one day and black is white the next day? at some point i don't believe you. isn't there a danger in that for them? >> absolutely. i think that that strategy can back fire. that is where the media comes in. i think it is up to journalists to highlight those inconsistencies, to use

giuliani's own words and put them forward so an audience can make their own conclusions. i think that giuliani on television so much is not good. i say the same thing about roger stone and other people under federal investigation in trump's campaign who will say certain things to get themselves off the hook both in public opinion and in the court of law. so that is really something that i think all journalists should be on the ball with. >> let's listen to what roger stone had to say earlier this week. >> they have interviewed and subpoenas a number of my associates. i know that there exists nowhere evidence of russian collusion or wiki leaks collaboration or any nonsense pertaining to john podesta's e-mail. i am mindful of any prosecutor's ability to get them to compose testimony against a bigger fish.

>> how credible is he? >> he has been all over this from the very beginning in terms of a person that people have been waiting to see like how is he going to be drawn into the mueller investigation? >> in fairness, he has a point. the chief concern of defense attorneys like me is that when the federal government brings its full power against these small fish there is a tremendous incentive for them to fabricate, to do anything they can to deliver a case against the bigger fish. so in that sense i have sympathy for roger stone. but on the other hand everything about the mueller investigation that by bringing in people who are close to him, who may have knowledge about not just how his business worked or his communications, those people may provide the jigsaw pieces to a gigantic puzzle that may ensnare roger stone ultimately. as far as concern about

cooperating witnesses, it is one that i share with him. >> in terms of associates being squeezed you have andrew miller being held in contempt of court. roger stone is being squeezed. sarah, to get your reaction to this from lindsey graham on fox news sunday. here is what he had to say about the mueller probe. >> these investigations against trump were corrupt to the core. they gave clinton a pass. we need a special counsel to look at all things department of justice and fbi when it came to the trump investigation particularly the counter intelligence investigation. >> lindsey graham, talk about confusing. he confuses me. on some days he is -- the

president must be held accountable and he sflais not d things correctly and then here he seems to be carrying the president's lawyer. can you explain what he is doing? >> as he pointed out lindsey graham was one of the people who called for the investigation of the trump campaign's ties to the kremlin. he did that in 2016 before trump was inaug raturateinaugurated. the rnc was hacked. lindsey graham personally was hacked. nobody knows who has those e-mails. the rnc is complicit financially and politically and broadly in what the trump campaign has done in terms of illicit interactions with russia. we have tracked all of those financial ties. there is a pretty good chance that either voluntarily senator

graham has gotten mixed up in the situation and cannot be an objective observer. i find that sad because in the past he has asked for a nonpartisan look at what trump has done. he stood up against corruption. he should go back to that. whatever they got on him can't be as bad as what he is doing now. >> thank you very much for being here. up next, kellyanne versus omarosa. don't go away. this is your wake-up call. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis, month after month, the clock is ticking on irreversible joint damage. ongoing pain and stiffness are signs of joint erosion. humira can help stop the clock. prescribed for 15 years, humira targets and blocks a source of inflammation that contributes to joint pain and irreversible damage. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened; as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems,

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the first time i heard omarosa suggest those awful things about this president are in this book. i think that omarosa unfortunately has under cut her own credibility. i have never heard him use a racial slur about anyone. and i also never heard omarosa complain that he had done that. >> kellyanne conway is taking on former white house aid omarosa manigault newman and disputing allegations that the president is a racist. we're laughing because --

really? on the anniversary of charlottesville we'll take a moncome of joy in the fact that we are laughing at something that is patently ridiculous the notion that the president is not a racist m. >> we have all heard him use a racial slur the first day he announced his presidency. he called mexicans rapists. i just look at his agenda and his rhetoric and the other way you judge a person's character. >> if there is a tape of the president saying the n word it doesn't matter to his base who supports him.

>> i think that -- one of the things i found fascinating was kellyanne conway saying omarosa under cut people iin ining onli undercut her own credibility. [ laughter ] >> this is omarosa saying there's no african-american assistant to the president left. let's listen to this. >> i was the only african-american at the table. if i left -- which i did -- when i left there has been no new appointment of an african-american assistant to the president which means that people are making decisions about us without us. and as i worked to try to find that replacement i realized they could care less about having an african-american voice at the table and to this day there was no one serving in that administration in the role that i was in. >> can we be clear about something? she's talking like she was

senior adviser to the president. she was the communications director to the office of special -- >> public lee say i don't know they're making decisions for us without us at the table. >> it was -- she put herself in there as i was the most senior black person in this administrati administration. in new orleans there was a hearing about police brutality but police brutality and gun violence and omarosa was there and it turned into a big mess and one of the things i take away when i see her saying we all knew president trump was a racist and says racist things maybe even on tape is that she was super defensive in that room. and the black people in the room were essentially wanted to know two things.

why do you work with a racist man and what do you do? if you're going to come here and be defensive in front of us, what are you doing to advocate on the black community in the white house and she couldn't answer that question. >> can we talk about her credibility, the credibility -- her credibility in writing this book. leave aside her personality and whatever. should what's in this book be trusted. >> she's known the president for 15 years. i think she's more credible than other books that have congress out where you have other supporters who don't know the president so closely and haven't known the president for so many years speak to other sources in the white house. i think she is a credible narrator when it comes to what the president is really like and what he thinks. >> here's the thing. everything that i have heard so

far, all the snippets and pages that have been released, all the things she has said are things reflected in the president's behavior, the president's policies and rhetoric. to me it doesn't matter if it's credible, she's not saying anything that cannot be proven about the president to begin with. we might have a "fire and fury" situation on our hands. whether donald trump actually consumed a piece of paper with sensitive information on it or not doesn't matter. we know he doesn't believe in recordkeeping and that he thinks he's above the law in that sense. >> in every sense. he thinks he's above the law in every sense. >> when you comport yourself in such a way where literally anything could be believed about you, that's how low moral a character you have, you open yourself up to this. i think the weirdest thing we have is this idea that she haas

unknown numbers of tapes because at that point we'll see which people in the white house feel comfortable saying you don't have that on tape because they don't know what she has so if the conversation has happened they'll have to let it go because it could be there. >> tara, as someone who was a contestant on "the apprentice," does the trump administration to your eyes look like "the apprentice" the television show, the dynamics, the personalities, everything? do you feel like you're daja vi daja view all over but bun in rell lame. deja vu. >> i think in terms of the white house "the apprentice" was more diverse and we were selected by the production company it was done through casting is the

white house is reflective of personalities and "the apprentice" drew personalities but a lot of the people that competed were more serious than many of the people in the white house and more accomplished than many of the people in the white house, frankly. >> that's a sad statement. i think we need to sit and marinate on that point because you're correct. what you're saying is they were a accomplished diverse set of candidates to be t amen are t"t apprentice" and he didn't hire the best people to work in our government. >> how many people tin "the apprentice" have been indicted versus how many people in the white house have been indicted. that tells you all you need to know. i'm a strategist. in the same way republicans are going to use this time that we're focusing on omarosa to do bad things they've been continuing to do, democrats need to pivot to a message to speak to the fact that this administration is all about coverups, cat fights, corruption and criminality. and on that, tara dowdell, jess

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that's our show today, thanks for watching, "a.m. joy" will be back next saturday, 10:00 a.m. eastern. up next, richard richard lui. >> i'm richard lui in for alex witt. here's what's happening. omarosa unplugged on "meet the press" on what it was like in the trump white house and if she thinks the president is racist. >> i was complicit with the white house deceiving this nation. i was the only african-american at the table. i got banged up a lot. a new audio recording omarosa says is of white house chief of staff john kelly threatening her. plus, the protests about to get under way