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being a racist. later, long-time listener, first-time caller, the president's legal team takes their case to primetime radio as they assail the attorney general on twitter. known for the history of nonviolent expression, is watching and waiting. a handful of white nationalists, just two dozen, gathered within sight of the white house earlier. thousands more met them head-on during a rainy night here in the nation's capital. and i want to start with our team of reporters that has been out in the rain all day and night. i want to start with garrett haake. garrett, you started your day at the metro meeting this small group of protesters, frankly. can you walk us through what you've seen over the course of today? >> sure, kasie. it was clear from the word go that this rally was not going to be everything that it was advertised as. when organizers put it together, they had told people to meet at the metro in vienna, virginia

around 2:00 so they could come into the city as a big group and a show of force examiand for th own protection. they got their protection from mpd once they made it to the district of columbia. there was no show of force. only two dozen or so with jason kessler the organizer of charlottesville last year, and doing the unite the white rally 2.0 here in d.c. today, the disorganization, the disunity, the lack of message was clear from the start. most of these folks showed up. they didn't even have metro cards so they marched into the vienna metro station and then marched right up to the metro card machine and had to slow themselves down to buy fare to get into the district. and the message was muddled from the word go as well. kessler tried to tell me in an interview that this was not a racist event, that this was all about free speech. then i started talking to some of the people who showed up with them and two young white supremacists, there is really no other word for it, told me they considered white americans to be the founding stock of this country. and if you weren't a white

european american, you were somehow less american than they. so no message unity. the ride in on the train was probably the highlight of the day for these guys because they had the press attention to themselves. and when they got into the city they were completely and utterly overwhelmed by the thousands of counter protesters that swarmed them every step of the way from the metro here to lafayette park behind me and stayed with them all day long until they left. >> garrett, can i ask you, i've seen some traffic and some people frankly raising questions about whether these white nationalists were given separate cars on the metro to bring them in to washington, d.c. since you were there, what did you see? >> i was on the train. there was a car that was entirely white nationalist and reporters, but i don't know that that was done under the direction of anyone except people on the platform who also looked around and decided they didn't want to be in a metro car full of white nationalists and reporters. there were other people on that train coming in from vienna, but

they were riding in different cars. it's not clear to me that that was done at the direction of police. rather, just some good sensible virginians who looked around and said there's probably another car on this train they'd rather ride in. >> i absolutely want to be no part of this. garrett, thank you. jeff bennett, can you talk us through what you've seen from your vantage point? and also obviously after this happened in charlottesville, just one year a go, all the attention turned to president trump and his really response or lack thereof to what we had seen in the streets of charlottesville. how are things different this year? >> kasie, you're 100% right. look, jason kessler, the organizer behind unite the right, the rally last year and this sequel rally, initially wanted to hold the follow-up in charlottesville. but he was denied a permit there the so he turned his attention to washington, d.c. and the national park service approved his permit for what he called a white civil rights rally because the national park service says that they are forced to approve

any first amendment rights event. so he thought he was going to be coming in closer proximity to president trump, even though this is a weekend in which we know president trump is at his private golf resort in bedminster where he's finishing up his week there. but we've seen the president just yesterday sort of issue that preemptive tweet where he says, i condemn racism on all sides. so some people have really characterized that standing in stark contrast to what he said last year where he drew this moral equivalence between the white nationalists, the white supremacists and those who were protesting against him. however, some people have read that same tweet and said, look, the president still can't condemn these white supremacists. he can't call out their bad acts. so we had this tweet from the president today, ivanka trump, the president's daughter and white house aide added her voice to all of this saying she condemns specifically racism, white nationalism, nazism, says it has no place in our country. so the question is what will the president say when he's in an unguarded, unscripted moment and he gets a question about this, whether it's an oval office

spray, whether it's a south lawn scrum, whether -- he's going to do an event tomorrow. there will be some press pool reporters there. what will he say when he's caught off guard? i think that will be far more illustrative and far more instructive. kasie. >> and we should note of course, jeff, the permit that was given to mr. kessler was for upwards of 400 people. he showed up with just two dozen. jeff bennett, thanks very much for your reporting. we'll be checking back in with you tonight. >> sure. >> meanwhile i want to welcome in my panel with me on set, former rnc chairman and political analyst, michael steele. whouts reporter for l.a. times and nbc political analyst eli stokols. polster and msnbc political analyst cornell belcher and the president of the national urban league and former mayor of new orleans, mark morial. thank you all for being here tonight. michael steele, i want to start with you as somebody who is -- there is a lot being ascribed to what i think is still your party, although you have had some major differences over the

course of the last year. >> we're working that out. >> but what do you read into what you saw today with this frankly dismal showing, and what the president had to say about it so far? >> i kind of ignore the showing in all of that. that's "melodrama" that will play itself out one way or the other. 24 people, 400 people, that is what it is. how that is ultimately framed in my view is what we have relied on in the past and that is a president who speaks into the moment and clarifies and defines where we are as american citizens when it comes to this type of hate-filled response to fellow americans. and the fact that the president is giving us sort of, you know, sort of a lightweight response on twitter. hate racism of all kinds. okay, but we're specifically talking about this, all right? can you narrow it down for us just a little bit with respect to what's happening in your front yard?

and the fact that he still can't do that, that to me is the lesson that every american should take from what we see this weekend. >> mark morial, to michael steele's point, the president is not out front leading on this tonight. >> the rally by the unite the right group is an absolute flop, a failure, a poor showing. 30 people and all of this anticipation, all of this mobilization, all of the public resources spent by the city of washington and the federal government and the taxpayers for 30 people to show up. but secondly, this was an opportunity for the president to make a forceful unequivocal statement. go look at mitt romney's statement. look at ivanka trump's statement. those statements are more on mark of the type of statement we'd like to see the president make. this is a moral moment. this is a moment where we expect the president to speak unequivocally. he seems to not be able to really get to the point where he

condemns this awful ideology of nazism and anti-semitism. we need him to lead at this difficult and challenging time in american history. we haven't heard that. and i think we should hear it. >> cornell belcher, first of all, your perspective on what we've seen unfold in the streets of washington today. what kind of lasting damage might president trump be doing to public relationships with the gop for african americans thinking about where can i have a home? >> right, where can i have a home is a big issue. we've seen in a lot of polling and cbs polling, we did polling in battle ground for african americans for black pac. you have over 70% of americans thinking that racism is on the rise, right? and a majority think their communities are under attack. so that's the sort of reality for minorities, for many

minorities who thought so much of this was in the past. we are again watching ku klux klan and white supremacists march through the streets of washington, right? but i also at the same time, to the chairman's point on this, the 30 people showing doesn't mean anything, right? because we understand it's a strategy they're going underground. and when you look at sort of the racism that i think trump is making okay again in this country, that's going to hurt us long term because one of the things i talked about before is we're not going to get whiter as a country so we better figure out how to live with each other whether you're republican or democrat. we have to do a better job of figuring out how to live with each other and the president must play a central role in that. >> yeah. eli stokols, from a political perspective, this is a president who feeds off crowds. he watches what happens in front of him. he tosses things out to the crowd. he sees how they react to it and oftentimes he'll continue to say something because it seemed to resonate. it does president seem to me that this small group of

extremists really had any sort of showing that should suggest that this is something with a real constituency. >> if he's watching tv tonight, and we have no reason to think he's not, because he watches tv pretty much every day. he's seeing this and he is not going to take satisfaction, he's not going to claim credit. if anything, he might distance himself from it. but before he could see the crowds as everybody here has pointed out. he had a chance to make a strong statement condemning not all kinds of racism, but specifically white supremacists. the president is really good at giving these mealy mouth statements open to interpretation so he can say, i condemned racism. what do you want me to do? but he can leave enough room there for people who want to march in these rallies or attend these meetings or pop off on facebook with racist ideas, he can leave enough daylight for them to think, he's actually with us. that protest that we saw in

charlottesville a year ago, that hadn't been seen before donald trump was president and from all the reporters who were in the crowd talking to people, the majority of the white supremacists who showed up believed rightly or wrongly that this president was on their side, that he understood them differently than past presidents, past political leaders before and there was an excitement about that. and if that is not the case, it's incumbent on the president to send a stronger message to say, i do not support this and as yet he has not. >> michael steele, this is a question that chuck todd asked of a member of congress on "meet the press" a week or tua go. he asked, is the republican party becoming the party that is fundamentally anti-black? >> i don't know if i'll go that far yet. we have our roots, though. we have our roots when there was a southern strategy in the nixon campaign in '68 to bring into the fold this particular ilk of person, to put it politely, this kind of trash, because there was some electoral benefit

presumably that would come from it. there was no consideration given to the poison that would infect the body politic within the gop, that here we are now some 50 years later having to deal with a president, a republican president who, to the point that was just made, gives countenance to it, that gives room to that. so, the party has to now, irrespective of the president, the party has to account for this because i don't know how we go into a black community, into an hispanic community and say, come, join us, be a part of us. it's not justify to say you're conservative, not enough to say you go to church on sunday. it's not enough to put that on the table any more when you have this body of work by this administration. you've got the rhetoric and everything else that says something very different to communities of color in this country. and it's a real problem. >> mark morial, jump in. >> i want to offer, i think it's

an interesting arc, if you will, from george bush circa 2001 talking about affirmative access, appointing colin powell and later condaleeza rice as secretaries of state. a gop in the congress that had a j.c. watts in its leadership and a gop that had a michael steele as its chair. that party would seem to be maybe making small steps is a very different scene today. michael steele, a j.c. watts, a colin powell, a condee rice, they were in the republican movement in 2000s. this is a directional shift when you have a corey stewart, a patrick little as candidates nominated or candidates running under the gop banner. so i think the difficulty for the gop is not only in its

leadership optics and in the president's rhetoric, but also the fact that there are no longer any credible african americans in any leadership role anywhere, it seems, in the congress or in the executive branch. it's hard to make up a particularly when you've got a changing landscape in the country not to even mention the lack of latino leaders in the very same party. so you've got to look at this in terms of where it's come from maybe 15 years ago to where it is directionally in the wrong direction if you consider the demographic shifts in the country for the gop. >> fair points. we are just getting started here on "kasie d.c." we're going to take you back live to the streets in washington as some of the most dramatic moments come from antifa protesters. plus reality show plot twist 15 years in the making. omarosa throws the book at the president. we're back after this. ♪

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mr. president, do you feel betrayed by omarosa, sir? >> low life, she's a low life. okay, thank you, everybody. >> i will say this to you. i was complicit were this white house deceiving this nation. they continue to deceive this nation by how mentally declined he is, how difficult it is for

him to process complex information, how he is not engaged in some of the most important decisions that impact our country. i was complicit and for that i regret. >> welcome back to "kasie d.c." omarosa has now been relegated to the list of people that the president has dismissed as low lives. that includes ted cruz, eric harryman son, and someone who is not bob costa. i wish i knew off the top of my head who it is. it is easy to forget omarosa and the president were collaborateers in one way or another for 15 years. >> i want you to go out to laelgz, greet these guys, and over a period of weeks you're going to decide whether or not there is somebody for you. good-bye, sweetheart. good luck, have a good time. >> will it work? the new show on tv one is called donald j. trump presents the ultimate merger. donald and omarosa, welcome. >> thank you. >> first of all, describe the

right guy for omarosa. what kind of guy should omarosa -- >> i don't know if there is a right guy. i don't think there is any man in the world that can handle this. she's smart, she's tough, but she's good. she has a good heart, i will say that. >> there is a reason you liked her even though you had trouble in the beginning. >> i hated her from the beginning but i also loved her. and the show went to number one on many weekends as you know. >> are they all rich guys, who are these guys? >> donald chose a mixture of six wealthy guys, the other six not so much. he wanted to see who i would end up with. >> okay. omarosa defended the president even in the wake of her departure, some would say firing from the white house, and that includes in the wake of his response to the charlottesville rally. >> i would never sit nor work for someone who i believed to be a racist. >> many people feel that the president, at worst, is a racist and at best is a sympathizer for white supremacists. is he? >> donald trump is racial, but he is not a racist.

yes, i will acknowledge many of the exchanges, particularly in the last six months have been racially charged. do we then just stop and label him as a racist? no. >> times have changed, and now omarosa is leveling accusations at the president, including that she has heard a tape of him using a racial slur. >> and i know it exists. and what i regret is that these people are probably trying to leverage it as this october surprise. i don't want to be a part of that. but i have heard for two years that it existed and once i heard it for myself, it was confirmed what i feared the most, that donald trump is a con, and has been masquerading as someone who is actually open to engaging with diverse communities. but when he talks that way, the way he did on this tape, it confirmed that he is truly a racist. being used by donald trump for so long, i was like the frog in the hot water. you don't know that you're in that situation until it just keeps bubbling and bubbling.

it's clear in hindsight. >> the white house disputes many of her claims. we are going to welcome into our conversation here former u.s. attorney and former msnbc contributor, joyce vance. i want to get you into the legality of taping something in the situation room. but first you were watching the tape of omarosa and shaking your head. please do tell us what you were thinking. >> i was thinking so many different things. one is actually i want -- i know she is your bff. but she says she's not the best vehicle for this, but some of the things she said on "meet the press" do ring true, like he can't grasp knowledge and information. he's challenged. but she's such a bad vehicle on it because the idea that omarosa didn't know that he was a racist and omarosa didn't know he was a bad person until the point where she was benefiting from it, right? and it's just, it's sad to see -- reality television has

eaten our culture and now it's eaten our politics. >> michael steele, the difference between racial and racist, i mean she seemed to be kind of really struggling to make that distinction at first. >> it's silly, it is silly. you know, he's being racial. oh, okay. no, racist. just call it what it is. >> a spade a spade. >> and the fact is she couldn't at the time because she was all up in it. she was, you know, in the white house. she was part of trump world doing her thing. and now she is presumably outside of that. i'm still not convinced that that's really the case. those two are two sides of the same coin, all right. and she's talking about, you know, he calls her low life. well, donald, that's your low life. you created that low life. you gave impetus to that. so now you're reaping what you sowed and we're supposed to fall down and go poor omarosa? please, spare me. >> we have one of your tweets to put on the screen. i'm not sure if it has to be

bleeped. omarosa, when you said every critic, every detractor will have to bow down to president trump. does that include you? #not credible. >> when she sort of broke into the news cycle with the book and some of the early interviews on this, that interview that she gave where she looked into the camera and very seriously told america that all of you detractors, all of you who ever said a bad word about donald trump, you will bow down to donald trump. i'm sitting there going, does that include you? because clearly you're one of those detractors. so it is so disingenuous. it is so reality tv yid. and i agree with you, cornell. this is now an infection of our politics and it's unfortunate. so for all of us, we should just kind of stop it. >> yeah. so, the part of chuck's interview from earlier that is possibly drawing the most

attention is a secret recording that omarosa claims she made in the situation room, "the situation room." as she was being removed from the white house for what chief of staff john kelly called, quote, integrity violations. >> i think it is important to understand that if we make this a friendly departure, we can all be, you know, you can look at your time here in the white house as a year of service to the nation. and then you can go on without any type of difficulty in the future relative to your reputation. >> white house press secretary sarah sanders just released a statement tonight that reads, quote, the very idea a staff member would sneak a recording device into the white house situation room shows a blatant disregard for our national security -- and then to brag about it on national television further proves the lack of character and integrity of this disgruntled former white house employee.

so, joyce vance, just kind of from your perspective as a former law enforcement official, is she in any legal jeopardy here doing something like this? i mean, is there anything she's opening herself up to? also, did you read anything into kind of what john kelly said to her at the top? it sounded to me like he suspected she might be recording the entire thing, making mention to lawyers that were present in the room, and then refusing to explain further. >> there is likely a technical crime or two that's been committed here. obviously prosecutors don't choose to prosecute every technical crime that's been committed, but she probably should get herself a lawyer and be in consultation. i think your second point is a pretty interesting one, though. typically i wouldn't think that the president's chief of staff would need to take an employee into the situation room to fire them. and it seems like he may have taken her into the situation room contemplating that as a secure facility, she wouldn't be

able to take a phone or another recording device in with her. and it's an incredible lapse, frankly, of security in this white house that she was in the situation room with a phone at all, whether it was recording or not. so, a lot of different layers here to peel back. >> eli stokols, what is your sort of view on this as somebody who has covered the interactions of this white house? are you surprised by john kelly's conductor by the fact that this phone was in the situation room? or is it actually just how business is done? >> no, i mean, the omarosa episode of this presidency is the least surprising one that we've seen yet, right? this is a reality tv president, we have a reality tv contestant. they put her in the white house. she was fired in season one. like, what do you think is going to happen? the fact is there has never been any process or protocol in this west wing. that's part of it. and so in a normal administration it would be shocking that someone like omarosa would be in the situation room with a recording device. >> or just in the situation room at all. >> exactly. but this is not -- you know,

when the white house comes out and puts out these statements, the other day it was the president who directed staff to put out the first statement he wanted to respond to this book. they put out another one today about the interviews this morning. this is bothering the president. he doesn't like it. and the statements make sense. it does reflect on omarosa's character to be doing this. but the question always comes next. why was she there? why was she given this position? why was she given $180,000 taxpayer salary? i think we know what the answer is. the answer is there were not a lot of minorities who were willing to go -- >> you took our answer, tokenism. >> it's hard to say when you're a reporter reporting on this white house, but there are not -- there's nobody else in there. kellyanne conway got a question this morning, who is the next highest ranking black official in the white house? she's pretty good in these interviews at vamping and she was stumped. >> so let me clarify the record for everybody. take us back in time between

november and january and then january till about march of this year, of 2017. when you talk about african americans coming into the whouts,whoutite house, i was part of a small group that put together a very comprehensive list of african-american republicans who had served in prior administrations who were willing to come in and assist this president and to transition and all of that. you know who blocked those very same african-americans from getting the consideration they would want or need to have a position in the administration? none other than the one and only omarosa. so, you know, this plaintiff cry about, i'm the only african-american -- well, that's how you wanted it because you blocked the people that we had put together to submit to the white house through chris christie and his team at the time, and that didn't happen. so don't cry that river. >> you have this epiphany when you're trying to sell a book. she's known for a decade.

>> also remarkable, i'm sorry we have to press pause. when we continue, rudy giuliani says that conversation between the president and joimames come about letting go of the michael flynn investigation, filed a big if true. back with more "kasie d.c." after this. need a change of scenery?

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this is the president speaking. i hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting flynn go. he is a good guy. i hope you can let this go. now, those are his exact words. is that correct? >> correct. >> and you wrote them here and you put them in quotes. >> correct. i took it as a direction. >> all right. >> this is the president of the united states with me alone saying, i hope this. i took it as this is what he wants me to do. >> that was former fbi director james comey testifying before congress back in june of 2017 about the now infamous conversation he had with president trump about michael flynn. now the president's lawyer rudy giuliani is claiming that conversation never happened. directly contradicting his own comments from just a month ago. >> so you're saying that president trump and james comey never discussed michael flynn? >> that is what he will testify to if he's asked that question.

they already know that. so why are they asking us for him to repeat what they already know under oath. >> and you're also saying that a month ago you didn't tellance news that he said something along the lines of -- >> of course not. >> -- can you give him a break? >> i did not. i said that is what comey says. >> how is he a good witness for the president if he said the president is asking him in his words to direct him to let the flynn investigation go? >> he didn't direct him that. comey says -- >> he didn't direct him to, can you give him a break. you said that. >> i also said before that i'm talking about their version of it. lawyers argue in the alternative. i know it's complicated but my goodness we've been over it long enough. why would i say something that isn't true? >> dear jesus. >> joyce vance, the disdecemberibling we often get from rudy giuliani on whatever

iteration of the defense that they are trying to mount on the president's behalf whatever they are trying to claim, this seems like a remarkable and very clear instance where rudy giuliani did acknowledge that that conversation, some version of that conversation, had taken place. and now he is saying that it didn't. >> i think we're long past the point, sadly enough, where we can take anything that comes out of giuliani's mouth at face value. he's here to run a p.r. strategy for the president to either confuse the american people or simply to turn them off to the point where they won't be outraged when the president's multiple failures, including the failure to testify come to light. and if we get to the point where there are impeachment proceedings. this is really about keeping the public from demanding that their elected representatives move forward with impeachment, much more than it's a legal strategy. but if this is true and if the president, in fact, can test jim comey's statement, then the best

way for him to clear this up is to agree to do that interview with special counsel robert mueller, to go in and to temperature hitell his version of what happened, to give him krebltd poincredibilitd let the special counsel zero out the investigations comey has made. the president's failure of willingness to do that cuts against jim comey's comments. >> is there any way to prove this, the president insists the conversation with comey never happened, and comey says it did? how do prosecutors figure out who is telling the truth? >> sure. so, it's a he said/she said sort of situation. and if prosecutors were going to file charges about this specific incident, they would have to believe that they could prove beyond a reasonable doubt that the president did this. it could be part of a conspiracy or some other charges, but if they're directly going to talk about this incident, they've got to be able to prove it beyond a reasonable doubt.

if it's just jim comey's word against the president's, then i wouldn't expect them to go forward. but that's not to say that there couldn't be some circumstantial guarantees, including the fact that the president ushered, in effect, everyone else out of the room for this very unusual one-on-one conversation between the president and the fbi director. >> of course. okay. meanwhile, the president snuck in a broadside against attorney general jeff sessions in a tweet yesterday calling him, quote, scared stiff and missing in action. and it certainly wasn't the first time he's publicly shamed his own attorney general. let's run through some of the other notable examples. in a july 2017 tweet, the president called him, quote, beleaguered. a day later he said he had taken a, quote, very weak position on hillary clinton crimes. after sessions appointed an inspector general to investigate potential fisa abuse instead of doing it himself in february, he called the decision disgraceful. who could forget trump was referring to his attorney

general as, quote, mr. mcgoo. eli stokols, how is the attorney general affected when the president of the united states is talking about him in such fashion? >> i don't know that he is. he's recused himself. that's why the president is angry at the end of the day. he's not having any impact on that. the president as much as he likes to spout off on twitter does not really like to fire people. so that's why sessions is still there. and, you know, i think -- >> the "you're fired" president doesn't like to fire people? >> that's the reality. he has the ability to fire sessions if he wants to. he hassan't done that even despe talking about it on twitter. >> i have a twist on it. i do think jeff sessions is very -- is doing exactly to a certain extent what he wants to do and what the president wants to do because when you look at the way he's rolling back a lot of common sense criminal justice reform acts -- >> fair. >> and when he's throwing out a lot of work the obama

administration did, right up the street in baltimore around reforming -- around reform, he's rolling that back and trying to implement the 1980s law and order sort of nonsense we threw out a long time and locking more people up and building more prisons. he's very effective at that. >> we often talk about him in the context of russia. that does get overlooked. >> lie stokols, joyce vance, thank you for your time. we appreciate it. still to come, white nationalists and counter protesters take to the streets here in d.c. one year after the deadly riot in charlottesville. but for many today was also a day of mourning. we're back after this. okay we need to get

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>> of course, today was also a day of mourning in charlottesville. heather heyer was killed one year ago today after a man drove his car through a crowd of counter protesters during last year's white nationalist rally. she was just 32 years old and her mother, who you saw there, was -- laid flowers today on the makeshift memorial and two state troopers were killed as they tried to keep the peace in the streets of charlottesville. mark morial, i want to ask you. we talked a lot about how damaging this resurgence of white nationalism and white supremacy is to our national conversation, but the flip side of it is that we have seen a lot of americans stand up, take to the streets and say, no, this is not, this is not who we are. we are standing against this hateful speech and language and, you know, in some ways it could be viewed through the most positive possible lens as an opportunity for people to show courage. >> well, i think people have shown courage out of necessity.

i think there is a sense that this white supremacist movement can, because of the climate of the country, because of the rhetoric in the white house, become legitimatized and become a normalized political force, which is extremely dangerous for the future of the nation. but what it has done is lit a fuse, lit a fuse of activism among young people. it's compelled people to get organized. it's compelled people to examine their own commitments and their own consciousness. and i think that what it is doing is fueling -- look at the response. 30, if you will, neo-nazi alt-right unite the right protesters and thousands of people in opposition and a lot of conversation going on on social media in support of the same. so, you are right, but this is a necessity. i think this generation, my generation, your generation, we're saying we are not in

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welcome back to "kasie dc." the implications of today's march are reverberating in the race in illinois's third congressional district as the republican party's sole candidate, arthur jones, has past neo-nazi ties and is a holocaust denier. jones is running despite the national party disavowing his candidacy. here's a look at what he said during an interview with nbc news morgan ratford back in june. >> do you think black people are genetically inferior? >> the average iq of a black person is about 20 points lower than the average iq of a white person. >> i want to harvard. >> all right. and you got a lot of white blood in you, too. >> some white blood. i'm african-american. >> well that's where your intelligence is coming from, you think? >> you think it comes from my white side? >> i think so. >> unbelievable.

but for those unenthused about casting their vote for him or for democratic incumbent daniel la pinsky, an independent candidate has emerged. justin hanson joins me now on set. justin, thanks so much for being here. let's start simply you launched your campaign in your backyard and you had an unwelcome visitor. >> we did, we had an unwelcome visitor at our family rally. it was a group of family friends getting together to get excited about this campaign and where we're going and art jones decided to show up to the campaign rally. >> so what ensued? he challenged you to a debate? >> he came to the -- i was given a heads up that he might be coming to confront me at the rally that was in my backyard and he challenged me on some --

the idea that he tricked voters into voting for him in the primar primary. i asked him to leave my home. he challenged me to a debate on the holocaust. >> to debate whether or not the holocaust exists. >> yes, which is ridiculous. >> so you're running as an independent, you worked for republicans in the past. why should people vote for you over dan lipinski and what's your rationale for mounting this long shot write-in campaign. >> so the reason why i'm running -- there are two reasons. because when voters in the third district go to the ballot box this november, they don't have a choice they deserve. their first choice is a nazi holocaust denying homophobic bigot white supremacist. that's the first choice. the other choice is dan lipinski. he's a nice man but he's a long time incumbent, 13 years in office, he doesn't have a good track record as far as his legislative accomplishments go and he's inadequately

represented the district. the second reason why we're running is because it's just important to my wife and me that in today's day and age they're able to be a good example to our kids about what it means to stand up to hatred. >> that's something republicans in washington get criticism for. i cover capitol hill everyday. we're repeatedly asking republican members of congress to weigh in on the latest tweet and there was some condemnation from leadership after the charlottesville rally. do you feel like you could have a home in the republican party of donald trump or not? >> i don't know. i think if we are able to win in november i think it would send a loud signal to the rest of the country -- the voters of my district would send a loud signal to the rest of the country that people are tired of this gridlock, tired of the partisanship because a lot of people don't see themselves reflecteder fektly in either party. there's a lot of gridlock, we're

not getting a lot done and i think our election would speak to that. >> one question some voters might have for you if they're considering not voting for democratic dan lipinski, he took a primary challenge on the issue of abortion. do you support abortion rights? >> abortion is a tough issue for me. it's tough as a parent and a catholic. but at the end of the day i believe that right belongs to women and that decision does not belong with the government. i am encouraged by the fact that the number of abortions sought by women every year is declining and i think everyone can agree that's a good friend that we should work to continue. >> justin hanson, thank you very much for being with us. we appreciate your time. crowds take to the streets of rainy washington, d.c. to protest. plus, president trump's first supporter in congress won't run for reelection after being indicted for insider trading. plus the kasie dvr. our producers watch the sunday morning shows so you don't have to. we're back after this.

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welcome to our second hour of "kasie dc." joining me on set, chief washington correspondent and editor at large at cnbc john harwood. white house bureau chief for the "washington post," philip rucker, he has brand new reporting on donald trump jr. senior adviser for moveon.org,

karine jean pierre. and former mayor of new orleans marc morial. but we want to start with mithe rally in washington, d.c. mike, it seems like the group of material did not materialize. it was a couple dozen surrounded by thousands in opposition. what's the scene like now? >> well, i've got to tell you, kasie. in there's a lead to this story it's that a couple of thousand by my estimate were very loud. each one of them was in full throat when the so-called white nationalists, while supremacists entered lafayette park. the lead is the white supremacists, their rally was an

anti-climax, it was a dud, a paltry turnout, a paucity of those people that followed jason kessler a year to the day after charlottesville. the death of heather heyer weighed heavily on the minds of these protesters. i was with them at freedom plaza when the sun was blazing and they marched up to the north side of lafayette park on the southwest quad rent was where jason kessler and his ragtag band of stragglers held fourth. earlier in the day i talked to an individual who was in charlottesville last year. he was standing next to heather higher when that man drove his car into the crowd, killing heather heyer. he was grievously injured. he was laying next to heather higher and he could feel them trying to get --'ll be people giving her cpr as he was virtually on top of her.

it left lasting emotional scars but also physical scars. his name is bill burke and here's what he told me here today. >> no nazis here in america and freedom for everybody no matter race, sex, gender, any of that. before people and everybody deserves the same freedoms. >> kasie, counterprotestors were ready for these white nationalists. there were thousands of police, a phalanx between the protesters and jason kessler and his group just over by treasury on 15th street a little earlier about half hour ago. people stuck around and started a fight with a black lives matter crew. again the police were on hand, they put them in a van and whisk them for a secure zone along

pennsylvania avenue and out the other way. but for the most part an anti-climax, the lead today is the thousands of people who came out here, many on the far left side of the political spectrum who came here to shout down this really -- i have to call it a ragtag group of individuals out here for about an hour. they were supposed to start at 5:30. the skies opened up, they were gone and escorted by law enforcement. >> and we were expecting that space behind you that is empty that you have to have a program ongoing. but as you point out, we don't. thanks very much for your time, appreciate it. so karine, i'll start with you. what do you see in how this played out.

where do you see this message that none of us expected to be in the mainstream of our discourse. this demonstration seems to underscore there are more people who want to stand against this than who are willing to show their faces. >> i totally agree. it's great that we didn't see thousands or hundreds, whatever the number was supposed to be of neo-nazis, kkk, white supremacists marching on d.c. but i'm not ready to pat ourselves on the back. we need to have that conversation. when we look at police brutality, housing discrimination. and what's happening is we have a trump white house that is emboldening that through polici

policies. >> t "national review" traced their checkered history of standing up to what he calls "the irresponsible right." he writes "the world that the internet and cable television created flattened the landscape, national review may see itself as a gatekeeper but the high walls that house the gate have been toppled. tribalism isn't just about us versus them, it's also about deferring to fame and status, investing in personalities rather than principles as institutions lose their hold on us, we put our faith in celebrities, cultures are shaped by incentives. the gop has been grievously wounded by the refusal of conservatives in and out of elective office to lay down the correct incentives. by refusing to defend conservative dogma by "supposedly racist and nativist

forces" our dogma is being erased like the battlements of a sand castle when the tooide com in. michael steele, how do you assess that? >> i think jonah not just put his finger on the pulse of what's wrong, in that last piece he talks about those inside and outside needing to stand up for those supposed values that we've been articulating. i mean, guys like myself and steve schmidt and others who are saying wait a minute, this is not us this is not what we're about or what brought me back into the party in the 1970s and it's not what keeps me here today despite this crazy. for me the fight is what jonah is talking about, going back to those core principles, making the case to communities of color because demographics are changing. this country has an issue with

race. we should be on the tip of that spear leading on our discussion not festering in the bile we saw today. >> marc morial, you touched on this earlier in the program. what do you feel like you need to see from republican leaders to try to start rebuilding bridges across racial lines, frankly. you mentioned that in the past the republican party has had luminaries working, condoleezza rice, colin powell, working inside republican administrations that's no longer the case. what do you need to start rebuilding that trust? >> today is a perfect example of a missing opportunity. only mitt romney, a prominent republican, seemed to have issued a statement in opposition to white supremacy. and i think the continued silence in the face of white supremacy will do long term

damage to gop and gop leadership. now one element of today, we talked about this earlier, was the energy coming from the counterprotesters which i think demonstrates the rising energy in opposition to white supremacy. if you take that with jonah goldberg's piece, the question is, is this the beginning of a new political alignment? where on one side you have the devotees of white supremacist and on the other side you have a multicultural broad spectrum of ideology that will be opposed to that and will this be the go forward fault line in a changing senator john kerry those republican leaders who fail to see this change are ensuring if you will the demise of their party but that the demiesz of the morality and the voice.

but the silence is deafening and i would call on all political leaders to recognize that speaking out against this at this time is part of your responsibility and part of your call the to duty. >> mitt romney called on his own party to reject that. >> and he opened his essay with the discussion of what president trump had to say a year ago saying there were good people on both sides of that deadly white white supremacist rally. he's the only person that's spoken out about racism. the president, trump, said he condemns all forms of racism but would not single out white supremacists or neo-nazis or the kkk. his daughter ivanka trump has but not the president. >> the anniversary of charlottesville is the subject

of a new report by vice news tonight on hbo. correspondent elle reeve is revisiting the topic after covering last year's violence that gave people a stunning glimpse into the minds of white nationalists. here's her latest report. >> do you think the gop is adopting any of the alt-right's ideas? >> not explicitly. it might be influencing it, though. we're influencing culture and culture influences politics. >> i guess -- let me put it this way -- i feel like you're saying it both ways, like people just have common sense -- >> here's the difficulty of it. you're trying to tie the republican party to the alt-right because you think that will be politically advantageous for you and i think it's a disgusting tactic and i'm trying not to help you. the fact of the matter is, the more the left goes [ bleep ]ing insane and drives up hyperawareness of the racial tensions, more and more people come to us and that's a very good thing and that is going to start influencing politics if it

hasn't already. >> and elle reeve joins me now from new york. elle, the end of that conversation that you guys were just having there, remarkable, he claims that what's gone on, the attention to this is, in fact, increasing the ranks of white nationalists and white supremacists. is that a claim that the reporting you've done on this bears out? >> i don't know if i would say it's grown the numbers. it's certainly made them more afraid to show your faces. if you remember in 2017 what was so remarkable about the charlottesville rally is that all of these men were willing to show their faces, to say this is what i believe in, white supremacy. this you if you looked at jay or kessler's rally, a couple people, many still holding flags over their faces because after charlottesville they learned if you go public people will find out who you are, they will contact your employer and you'll get fired because people don't want to be associated with that

kind of hate. >> john harwood, can you weigh in on how this conversation has evolved and the question that elle was putting to the man she spoke with there, this question about how it affects our culture and has it infected it? >> sure it's infected our culture but the point that elle was making about people covering their faces is simply an illustration of how fringe a movement this is and that was reflected in the poor turnout today. but if you step back on this larger issue you were rising with marc morial, republicans have not gotten more than 15% of the black vote since barry goldwater in 1964. republicans if they want to build trust with african-americans, they've got to advance policies that help them. they have not done that. they want to cut government programs that are disproportionately helpful to keep people who are disproportionately poor. that includes african-americans. they want to cut medicaid and food stamps and programs

throughout the government that try to build human capital and lift people up. they support making it harder for african-americans to vote. this is happening in state after state on the republican side so air voters have correctly figured out who is on their side and who is not and until republicans change that equation, they won't be in good shape. on the question about the voters that republicans are increasingly reliant on, in our nbc/"wall street journal" poll a few weeks ago, 60% of the people who said they were republicans were whites who had not been to college. if you look at studies done of president trump's core base in 2016 the distinguishing characteristic were they were less educated, poorer, less affluent whites and people who think discrimination against whites is as significant as discrimination against african-americans. they feel left behind by culture and economic changes and those

with the people that president trump was talking to in that tweet when he said i deplore racism of all kinds. he was sending a message to those people. >> because those people billed this rally that they -- half a dozen, i'm not sure you can call it a rally, but half a dozen people showed up under a banner of white civil rights. do they to john harwood's point, is that the people that you talk to hear or see when they read tweets like the one we saw from the president? >> they very much believe that as white people become a minority in this country they will be treated as america has treated other minorities in the past. so they see this as an identity movement just like identity politics for people of other ethnicities. >> michael steele, do you read that coded message into what the president's tweet says when he says he condemns all racism.

>> absolutely. john put it exactly right. one of the things that we tried to do during my time at the rnc and it wasn't just at the national level but what i emphasized was the party has to be where the party is, at the local levels. so state party leaders, county chairman and national committee leaders to go out into the community and make the case. you can't get a bullhorn and stand on pennsylvania avenue and say we support black agenda but in the local community they don't find a republican coming to the neighborhood saying we support the black agenda. >> michael steel, marc morial, elle reeve, thank you so much for your contributions tonight. much more to come on this hour of "kasie dc." congressman ruben gallego is standing by. later, i'm joined by ayanna

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welcome back to "kasie dc." i want to bring in ruben gallego of arizona. congressman, great to see you. thanks for being on tonight. i want to start with what we've been covering all night long. we don't want to call them a rally, 24 white nationalists showed up to d.c. thousands we think, waiting on official counts, of counterprotesters in the streets here in d.c. you have actually received death threats from white supremacists. first of all can you explain how that impacts your own thinking when you're seeing this playing out in the streets. what do you think your republican colleagues should be saying about this. >> this is probably the most athose losers have ever gotten

their whole lives. they are not indicative or representative of the united states or what people think of the united states and the fact that we give them attention pushed their agenda forward more. in terms of what republicans should do is they should have stopped this years ago. i like that the president is saying quote/unquote he's against all racism but the president has been a racist since he was in the 1980s when he accused five black men of raping a woman in central park. when he accused the president of the united states of being a nigerian immigrant that snuck into this country for some maoist conspiracy. this has been a republican in the republican party since the days of ronald reagan when he accused black women of being welfare queens and george bush played the race card on dukakis. the problem with the republicans is they've been playing this game for so long and now this game has gotten away from them. >> have you gotten death threats from white supremacists? >> sure, even before i was in congress when i was in the statehouse i was trying to stop

a border militia bill that was being pushed by the republican party and representative state representatives and state senators here and i was left a handwritten note on my door from what looked top sock aryan nation organization and i get them online and over twitter once in a while. >> one of the thing this is raises is that your home state of arizona has been something of a calderon for all of the most incendiary issues and messages that are coming from this president some of his best-attended earliest rallies in the 2016 campaign season were held in arizona. what are you seeing on the ground in your home state now? you have several congressional seats up for grabs. is president trump coming in and ralei rallying for those candidates? something that will lead them

ultimately to victory? do you see enough energy in the democratic base? >> i want president trump to come to arizona. he should come and rally for the republicans in district six to nine. he could jump in my district if he wants. we encourage him to come here because we think that people need to hear from him in arizona and i think that would help democrats as much as possible. >> i want to play for you to switch gears slightly because we're having this conversation about democrats potentially taking back the house in midterm elections, nancy pelosi appeared on msnbc talking about whether she may end up being speaker of the house in the event of a democratic takeover. >> i have not asked one person for a vote. i haven't asked a candidate or incumbent. i know bet than anybody how important it is for us to win this election because i see up close and personal what the republicans and this president are doing. i do not think our opponents

should select the leaders of our party. republicans are spending tens of millions of dollars against me because they're afraid of me. now i believe none of us is indispensable but i think i'm the best person for the job. >> sir, do you think nancy pelosi should be the next leader of the democratic party or speaker of the house? >> i agree with one thing with leader pelosi is that we need to first win. i've been on both sides of this issue. i've been with nancy when i first got to congress and i voted against her last time and tried to replace her so i consider myself independent when it comes to leadership but this is not the fight we should be worried about. the fight is against trump and the radical republican agenda we win that and decide what happens later because until then it's a moot point. >> congressman, fill rucker phi a question. >> in iowa we saw a number of democrats talk to activists

including michael avenatti, the trial attorney for stormy daniels. should he be taken seriously by democrats in your party as a perspective candidate? and do you think he's on to something when he says democrats need to fight trump harder and be tougher and don't bring nail clippers to a gun fight. >> i don't think it's the role of party leaders and officials to tell the activist base of especially in iowa who should talk to them or who has a right to be there, that will be decided in the future. i do think not just with mr. avenatti but other people have said the same thing, i need to go hard and fast on donald trump and his allied supporters, paul ryan and mitch mcconnell. we need to hit them hard everyday until election day and all the way until 2020. >> congressman, just to put a finer point on phil's excellent question, do you think democrats should take michael avenatti seriously as a potential presidential candidate?

>> you know. i don't know much about mr. avenatti except for what i've seen here and there on tv. i think one lesson i've learned so far in my short years in the democratic party but very much involved in the activist movement is not to try to dictate who is a clarified leader versus not. at the end of the day i'll listen to anybody and if he ends up being a credible nominee then maybe but i think it's too early to speculate on 2020 to be honest. >> congressman ruben gallego, thank you very much for being on tonight. appreciate it. i have to -- just ahead, the president fumes at his attorney general while his personal lawyers take over sean hannity's radio show. ♪

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welcome to the sean hannity show. jay sekulow and rudy giuliani. how about that? giuliani and sekulow. >> isn't that nice? >> across television and radio the lines between guests and hosts got more than a little blurry. first, the president's lawyer giuliani appeared on sean hannity's tv show and then he

appeared on the radio show hosted by the president's other lawyer jay sekulow and soak low appeared as a guest on other fox news shows like "fox & friends" and then giuliani and sekulow capped off the week by teaming up and guest hosting hannity's raise owe program and yes they took callers. >> it's very clear obama should be charged. the department of justice is being lack in its responsibility right now. they should be looking into investigating and charging barack obama with abuse of power. >> what do you think? >> i would agree with you it's crying out for an investigation. >> so perhaps we have to leave aside the fact that the president -- former president is no longer in power so unclear on where the abuse of power charge will come from but john harwood, at one point -- i guess the lines don't exist anymore.

>> it's sad that that is what passes as a legal team for the president of the united states that they are yucking it up on radio shows. rudy giuliani says one ridiculous thing after the other. contradicts himself, says collusion isn't a crime, i looked. it's impossible to take them seriously. they have emmet flood who is a serious lawyer working for the president and i suspect if the president's thinking of his best interests he is focusing more on what he heard from emmet flood than rudy giuliani and jay sekulow. >> there is a strategy here and president trump want this is pr offensive, that's why he hired rudy giuliani to be his personal lawyer and why he got rid of ty cobb and john dwhoud are not --o are not tv friendly faces. he wants someone killing mueller

in the public relations battle so people will doubt it. >> on the other hand, robert mueller is a highly professional prosecutor who by all accounts is coming like a freight train so i think it's difficult to see that a pr campaign by rudy giuliani is going to derail that. >> but i think in trump's world this is a tv reality show and that's how he's approaching. he approaches everything, his presidency, his candidacy. that's what he's doing. they know mueller is not going to speak. he's a traditionalist doing his work and he knows more than all of us know so rudy and sekulow have the power of giving the information they want to and they're talking to their voters, that's all they're doing. no president at this point has ever been unpopular as donald trump. >> not with his base, though, 88% of his republican party.

>> but his base isn't enough to get him reelected. not enough to save the congress for his party by all of the indications. >> but i think what you were say sk that when a report comes out, they are at the ready to discount that because that's what they've been doing for the last couple months. >> and it will have ready amplificatio amplification. look at what mark levin said about vladimir putin and robert mueller. >> robert mueller is a greater throat this republic and the constitution than anything vladimir putin did during the campaign. and i'm not fan of vladimir putin. >> that's a remarkable statement that vladimir putin is essentially not as much of a threat as robert mueller. >> that's obscene. and the other point i was going to make, if democrats win the house this fall does anybody think the pr campaign with

donald trump's base is going to deter them from ducting oversight up to and including impeachment for the president? i don't think so. >> phil, do you think there is -- as much as your point is well taken on the pr strategy, the president may face a very real legal problem that is going to rare a very intense sophisticated defense. >> like lawyering. >> like practice of law. is he prepared for that. are there people to do that? >> john mentioned emmet flood who is a real lawyer doing lawyer's work. we don't see him on tv. i don't think we've ever seen him on tv since he's been working for president trump. president trump's been through this before. he's been sued many times in his private life. he's been deposed many times, including during the 2016 campaign and he's used the lawsuits as part pr battle and part legal work.

so he mucks it up on tv and radio and campaign trail. this is his m.o. so it's not surprising to see rudy giuliani and jay sekulow playing this ro role. one top political forecaster warns republicans this year is turning up to the year of the angry college female graduate. i'll talk to ayanna pressley as she challenges a sitting democratic congressman. it's our series women to washington up next. know what? no, what? i just switched to geico and got more. more? got a company i can trust. that's a heck of a lot more. over 75 years of great savings and service. you can't argue with more. why would ya? geico. expect great savings and a whole lot more.

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. >> this is the year of the woman when it comes to the midterm election elections. one of the women, ayanna pressley, is running in massachusetts's seventh congressional district in an effort to unseat ten-term incumbent congressman michael capuano. she joins me now from boston. thank you for being here ayanna. i want to start by asking you about -- this is one of the few districts where the minorities make up the majority of the population and yet there is still a white man who represents the district. why do you think that is and what's your rationale for running? >> well my rationale for running

is that although donald trump is a formidable flow and every system mick equality that i've fought for is deepening, the truth is that these inequities and disparities existed long before that man occupied the white house. the seventh congressional district is the most diverse and unequal and i'm running to do something specifically about that. >> you have called toll abolish i.c.e., the immigrations and customs enforcement agency. is that something you can the majority of your constituents support? our polling shows in the country only 21% -- in your district only 21% support abolishing e s eyes. >> the litmus test i'm useding is what i feel everyday in the mass seventh. it's palpable and legitimate

fear. parents in fear of i.c.e. raids and are afraid to go to child care to pick up or drop off their child, to go to their places of worship and that fear is palpable. this is a demonstration of an administration operating with zero empathy and compassion. i made this decision not casually. i i arrived at it the way i have arrived at every other decision i made and that is listening to those impacted by the issue. the aclu, central presente, mira, families and that's why i arrived at this decision this policy isn't keeping us safer. we should offer refuge and asylum to those fleeing war torn poverty ravaged gang violence sexual assaults, we should be providing them sloich and refuge, they are no threat to us and we are wasting money prosecuting children and families this is inhumane and

another demonstration of the racist bigoted policies coming out of this white house everyday. a zero tolerance policy informed by zero empathy and compassion. now listen, many agencies operate with inefficiencies. if that was what that was about i would call to reform this agency from the inside out but we are at a watershed moment when children are being ripped from the arms of families. there is no turning back from that and this is not an agency that can be reformed. >> do you think we need any immigration enforcement in the interior of the country? >> absolutely. we are diverting resources by prosecuting children and families when we could be invest in keeping us safe from drug trafficking, gun trafficking, human trafficking, this is not a national security issue. this is what the administration does. they solve for a crisis by creating a crisis so they are very consistent. what we need for the seventh is

for a path to contractship, comprehensive immigration reform, to support tps holders and daca recipients. i would not voted to invest one dollar in a trump hate wall. we don't need to be protected from immigrants, we need to be protected from this president. so we need a clean dream act. >> the congressional black caucus supported your opponent in this race. why do you think that is and do you think you would want to join the organization if you're elected? >> well, that's inaccurate. the congressional black caucus pac endorsed my opponent which is a group comprised 1206 members, six lobbyists and six members most of whom were unaware of the endorsement until they read about in the the newspaper. i take great pride in every member of the congressional black caucus, i don't take this seriously. they have inspired me in my own

run. many of them were considered to be long shots. candidates challenging the status quo and they have proven with that with their own candidacies that it has led to greater progress for our country. so i don't take this personally. i am the underdog. this is the first time the seventh has had a choice in a generation, this is a 20-year formidable incumbent. i knew i would be outfund raised and outspend and out endorsed but i'm focused on the people and we see a community being built every step of the way and for those that may consider my candidacy to be one that is disruptive and traitorous new a dark blue state like massachusetts, i think we are meeting head on the challenge and charge of 2016 and that is to ignite the electorate and expand it. >> can i ask you about your own me too story? you spoke out about your own experience on that front. which was it like to go public with that?

do you have regrets and what did you learn for people who are struggling in the me too movement to speak out? >> to be clear, i disclosed my background, my trauma of childhood sexual abuse and campus sexual assault long before the me too movement. i have no regret although it was the first time i ever received hate mail but everyday people approached me whether it's at a fancy fund-raiser more to a small hallway, from every walk of life to thank me for disclosing. i tell my truth not because it's a unique one but to create dignity for others and i look forward to the opportunity as a survivor and the responsibility of codifying this elevated moment of act 1ri678 and renewed consciousness on these issues, to codify that in law making and ensure my fellow survivors can get the justice they deserve. >> ayanna pressley, thank you for your time, appreciate. >> it thank you for having me. just ahead, phil rucker's

latest reporting on republicans' secret weapon for the midterms -- donald trump jr. "kasie dc" back after this.

. it's called keep america great exclamation point, exclamation point. keep america great. >> we will make america decent again. >> we gained $7 trillion.

trillion with a t, trillion. i have wealthy friends like harold hamm, he doesn't even know how many a trillion represents. i said harold, how many billion are in a trillion. i'm not sure he could answer that. >> just thinking about covering that. >> so, yes, avenatti aside, phil, you have new reporting on donald trump jr.'s sort of surprise stepping into a role on the campaign trail? >> that's right, he's in a heap of legal trouble in the russia investigation, because of that donald trump tower meeting he held to get dirt on hillary clinton, it's a huge subject of the mueller probe. in a normal world, that would be political baggage. it seems that in trump's world

that makes him a star surrogate on the campaign trail. he's going to be stepping up his campaign appearances in the fall and the president gave us a statement for our story saying don's really popular, as a political candidate, he wants to be part of this movement so he's pretty proud of his son. so it sort of flips the political gravity on its head. >> so they're seeing what's going on in this russia-gate extravaganza and stepping up to defend him, is that what you found? >> he's kinds of the pokesmspok for his son. he has a lot of sway with the trump voters. to prepare you for the future. looks like you hooked it. and if that's not enough, we'll help your kid prepare for the future.

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the white power movement i walked away from considers me a traitor. it's not something that i like to do, it's not something that i like to put my familythrou thro. but i know when i get these responses, i'm touching their nerve. i know i'm getting to them. that means i'm on the right track. i always wanted to die for something a long time ago. but frankly it was garbage. if somebody wants to hurt me now

for doing the right thing, i'm okay with that. >> tonight on the one-year mark of the deadly clash between protesters and white nationalists in charlottesville, msnbc shares the story of a former white supremacist who has dedicated his life to reforming others. watch "breaking hate" right aft after "kasie d.c." what are you going to be watching for this week? >> i'm going to be watching for the verdict in the paul manafort trial. if paul manafort is convicted on the heels of chris collins' arrest and the other scandals in the air, i think that will be a bad moment for republicans, not huge on its own, but nevertheless significant. if manafort gets acquitted, that

will come as a relief to the republicans. >> what are you doing for? >> harem omar, and i think i just screwed up her name so i apologize. she's an intelligent woman, bright, impactful, and i'm excited to see how that goes on tuesday. >> what are you looking for? >> president trump comes back to washington, to the house on monday, he spent 10 days from his golf course in bedminster, he tends to come back from his golf courses pretty hot. i don't know if it's a government shutdown, but we'll see how the next week goes. >> oh, dear. thanks for that, i think. i personally am watching teacher of the year joanna hayes, running as someone who is

considered to be establishment. we're going to be back with you next week from 7:00 to 9:00 p.m. eastern, but for now, good night from washington. white lives matter, white lives matter. >> the war on whites is real. >> normalized. >> the government is nothing compared to the jewish menace. >> and destroying lives. >> there are people who will say, once a nazi, always a nazi and that you cannot change who you are. >> but i know change is