tv The Rachel Maddow Show MSNBC August 13, 2018 6:00pm-7:00pm PDT
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>> maxine waters. low i.q. >> particularly with african-americans. he thinks we're all stupid. >> do you think he thinks that? >> i believe so. >> he's been explicit. >> thanks to all three of you. that's it for "all in" this evening. rachel maddow starts right now. >> thank you for joining us. there has never before been a time in u.s. history when you could start a brief rundown with the day's news with words anywhere close to the kinds of words we use now to run down the news. today, on what stands as a fairly normal monday for this administration, today federal prosecutors, for example, rested their case against president's campaign chair. as he nears end of the first of two criminal trials in which he has been charged with multiple felonies. today we were treated to a tape-recording of the president made apparently without his
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knowledge or consent by a former white house senior adviser who over the past two days has revealed that she also made illicit recordings inside the situation room at the white house. she now says she recorded the president's daughter and son-in-law who are both senior advisers without their consent. she said she was offered $15,000 a month after being fired from the white house on a contract that essentially required no work from her but it would include a nondisclosure nondisparagement agreement that would preclude her from talking about her time in the white house or her colleagues there. she says the president is mentally unfit for the job. she said she is unaware of what happens in the white house now and she says she has heard recordings of him using the "n" word at a work setting at his former job on the tv show. >> every once in a while i have to step back.
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this is a fair to middling day for this administration. our seismographs don't work anymore so we just keep working, pretending this is just monday. today a federal judge appointed by the president ruled against a russian oligarch who was formally accused in another criminal indictment of having financed and orchestrated the efforts to interfere in the last election to try the throw that election for donald trump. this particular oligarch has not turned up in federal court since he was charged earlier this year. but he had argued through lawyers that the charges against him should be dismissed because the appointment of the special counsel robert mueller was somehow unconstitutional or improper. today in a 41-page ruling, this trump appointed federal judge in washington, d.c. dismissed that argument from the oligarch with
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dispatch. so that case will go on. it will not be dismissed. every one who has challenged the legal case by challenging the partly to mostly of robert mueller to lead to investigation and to bring charges when he discovers crimes. every one of those challenges has been turned back. manafort tried that argument in washington, d.c. federal court. he lost. manafort tried that in virginia, he lost. this russian oligarch and his country as well. also roger stone who has been held in contempt of court for refusing to respond to a scene that from rob mueller. he keeps trying on this legal argument that somehow there's something wrong the existence of rob mueller. he has been held in contempt of court. today we learned that he will appeal it all the way to the d.c. court of appeals which is one level below the u.s. supreme
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court. he is trying again, burning through every possible legal angle to try to avoid testifying in the rob mueller special counsel investigation. what that man might testify about, we have no idea. but he is going to the mat and beyond to try to avoid testifying. it is apparently this utterly unknown roger stone adjacent figure, andrew mill here will try to get the sconce constitution at as close as possible to the supreme court. with this federal appeals court challenge he filed this afternoon in the d.c. circuit. not much doing. just monday. a fairly typical day in the ongoing careening bus crash of the american presidency into the american rule of law. kaboom! when the history of this time in u.s. history, when the history of this moment in american
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citizenship, i think here's what it will be in the big "dateline" of 2018. just over two years ago, an urgent koirnlt intelligence organization was begun that related to the presidential election that year. then craft director john brennan has testified that foreign intelligence service had informed the cia about contacts and communications indicating some kind of russian involvement in the russian presidential election and the people were being informed about those efforts, or otherwise in contact with it. the craft doesn't operate on u.s. soil. counter intelligence efforts involving other countries mounting operations here, that's part of the fbi's counter intelligence bailey wick. so they coordinated efforts to look into what was going on in
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the summer of 2016. it was again just over two years ago now that the fbi itself received information that an adviser to the trump campaign had blagd to a foreign diplomat that the russian government had hacked democratic party e-mails. and that boast to that foreign diplomat happened long before there was actually any public information circulating about the russian government hacking democratic e-mails. so the fbi realized there was something to go with there. the craft had been advised by allied intelligence services that there was something that went on that seemed related. so just over two years ago, there counter intelligence organization begins. as far as the russians actually running an intelligence operation to try to influence the choice of the next american president. if so, is that candidate in on it? that investigation started just over two years ago. since then candidate in question
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has been elected president. and under him, since he has been president, the director of the fbi leading the investigation has been fired, turned into a political punching bag and removed from office. his top deputy, the number two official at the fbi running the day-to-day operations of the fbi and the investigation, he, too, has been fired. turned into a political punching bag and removed from office. now the head of the counter intelligence division at the fbi, the lead agent on that investigation, now today, he has also been fired. turned into a political punching bag and removed from office. director, dem director, head of the counter intelligence division. all gone. all blown up careerwise. right? all being threatened with being prosecuted themselves.
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the russian investigation continues to spool. we've had the president's deputy campaign chair plead guilty and becoming a cooperating witness. the trump foreign policy adviser who piqued the interests with his infwoe the russian hacking operations. we've had him plead guilty and become a cooperating witness. we'll have more on him coming up. there's been some movement in that case. we have another adviser formerly named as an agent in the russian government in multiple surveillance wiretap applications. the ongoing felony trial against the president's campaign chair. we've got pending felony indictments against multiple russian agents and russian military intelligence officers. we've got pitched legal battles over the potential legal liability for people associated with the president and for potentially testimony about them. the people like roger stone and michael cohen, the president's long time attorney.
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even as all of that fruit has been borne from this investigation, one by one, the law enforcement and counter intelligence leadership actually in charge of the investigation that has led to this, one by one they've been peeling them off and destroying them. the director, james comey, andy mccabe, peter strock's firing today. and i think there's a couple different important consequences of that. the first is about the president's legal liability in this scandal. last june after he was fired, fbi director james comey testified on congress that president trump had improperly pressured him about the fbi's open investigation into trump national security adviser mike flynn. now, at the time, comey said he recognized the president's request to him concerning flynn
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to be both improper and highly unusual. and so according to his fbi training, he knew what to do next. he immediately wrote down what had happened in that conversation with the president. he wrote in it memo form right after that conversation. he then shared the contents of the memo with senior fbi officials. they could corroborate on the interaction that he just had. >> who did you talk with about that? listing the cloud, stopping the investigation at the fbi, and what was their response? >> the fbi during one of the two conversations, i think the first, my chief of staff was sitting in front of me and heard my end of the conversation because the president's call was a surprise. i discussed with it the senior
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leadership team who typically, in all these circumstances, was the dem director, my chief of staff, the deputy director's chief counsel and i think in a number of circumstances, the number three in the fbi and a few of the conversations including the head of the national security branch. so that group of us when it comes to national security. >> who else could back me up? he gives this big list. the deputy director, the chief counsel, head of the national security branch, the number three official, if you don't speak the job titles of the fbi, it sounds like similar sounding adjectives. it seems like a long hard to remember list. but those are specific people and comey knows who he told and he was very clear about this. when questioned about it repeatedly, he was very clear.
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here's who my corroborating witnesses are. >> who are these senior leaders that you shared this with? >> as in, detect director, my chief of staff, deputies director, chief counsel, and more often than not, the number three person, the associate deputy director and then quite often the head of the national security branch. it seem like a lot of job titles that don't sound all that distinct. when you compare it, it is consistent. this is who he told. he knows exactly who it was. in comey's telling, the president tried to interfere with the fbi investigation of national security adviser mike flynn. the president denies did he any sufficient thing but comey has back-up. he committed to it writing and then he told all these people at
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the time so they could corroborate what he said at the time about what happen. and these are not just job titles. there are specific people who had these jobs at the time in counsel. comey and the corroborating witnesses for comey. well, it has taken them a little while to get through this list. the only one still will is david bowdich. he had been the number three. now he's moved up to be number two. not number three. he is the one who personally directed today that counter intelligence chief peter strzok be fired even though it was decided that he should be kept on. bowdich is the only one left for all the krob rating witnesses. james comey's testimony that the president leaned on him to shut
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down an open fbi investigation into the national security adviser. who will back up james comey? if the president leaning on the fbi director is itself a matter of personal criminal high built for the president when it comes to obstruction of justice, who is it now? once you get rid of the witnesses, then you can tell any story you want about what happened. if all the krob rating witnesses have been picked off and blown up, who is left to say what happened there at all? who is left to say otherwise now? >> flynn, the president says he never told comey that he should go easy on flynn. >> i want to be clear about what happened about michael flynn. what exactly did president trump say? >> there was no conversation about michael flynn. >> so you're saying that
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president trump and james comey nev never. >> you're saying they never discussed it. >> that's what he will testify to. >> who will contradict him? it has taken a while to whittle down the list to almost nothing but they're getting there. so as one of the last is getting publicly destroyed today, the president this week changed his stance to say yeah, that comey conversation never happen. i never talked to him about flynn. who is to say otherwise? who is left? when they fired peter strzok today, supposedly over his private text messages in which he expressed lots of negative political opinions about president trump and lots of other politicians, too. they did so even though the inspector general noted that there was never any action at the fbi to influence donald trump's electoral prospects or anyone else's prospects either.
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even though he was better placed to do that than almost anyone else in the country. >> in the summer of 2016 i was one of a handful of people who knew the details of russian election interference and its possible connection with members of the trump campaign. this information had the potential on derail and quite possibly defeat mr. trump. but the thought of expressing that or exposing that information never crossed my mind. >> in firing peter strzok, they have claim their latest fbi scalp. firing peter strzok may have consequences for any potential obstruction of justice case against the president. if he was able to corroborate comey's testimony about potential obstruction of justice over the open investigation of mike flynn while picking off the
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corroborating witnesses, may have legal consequences. they also destroyed the career who was the senior government person in charge of the mounding intelligence operations against the united states on u.s. soil. when it came to this russian intelligence operation, to mess with us in our own country, peter strzok was there from the beginning. he was one of the only people on heerth has ever been in a position to give testimony like the and now he's literally having to set up a go fund me page to help with his own defense. >> i noticed concern in your voice when you recalled the 2016 scene, october 2016, and as it relates to the state of the trump-russia investigation. why were you so concerned that what was happening at that time? >> i think trying to keep this at a level not talking about
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open investigations -- >> on your -- >> yes, ma'am. the predicating information, the information we had which was alleging a russian offer of assistance, it was extraordinary significance. it was from a sensitive and incredible source. as we looked at what that represented, the key time was coming into the election. this was a serious allegation. two, of extraordinary gravity. in trump were elected, whether he or members of his campaign were activory working the russians, we needed to get to the bottom of it. it could be that none of them were or that some on a far worse scale. the urge enstoi understand what was going on in advance of inauguration, i can't overstate the importance of that.
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at the time of those happenings, peter strzok was the number one official at the fbi in charge of count every intelligence. today he was fired. >> joining me, congressman, thanks for being with us. >> good evening. peter strzok has been a political punching bag for a year now. what do you make of his firing? was this an inevitability? his lawyer today is suggesting that the reason he was removed was not because of fbi procedure but because of politics. >> no question about it. look at the fact pattern. the internal disciplinary unit at the fbi recommended that peter strzok be demoted and suspended for 60 days. remember back to the firing of andrew mccabe, the night before he was to qualify important his
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first pension is fired. remember that the president admitted that he fired jim comey because of the russia pressure, as he put it. it is clear this president is engineering a fear campaign within the fbi saying anybody who is going to stand up against me. anybody who might testify against me, their career will suffer. i don't know if this is director wray coordinating this or the attorney general. it is easy to imagine they're trying to appease the president to keep him from firing bob mueller or the deputy attorney general. whatever is happening, this is a performance that has an audience of one and that individual sits in the oval office. >> now that we've seen these firings, three usually makes a
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pattern in the news. in terms of oversight in the justice department and the fbi, the question of whether or not this pattern of dismissals and pattern, the disciplinary patterns, is that the kind of thing would you speck congress to be looking into? >> you would expect it. >> congress is in league with the president in terms of trying to damage the credibility of the department of justice and the credibility of deputy attorney general rosenstein, the fbi, we've now spent a year as democrats in the minority trying to stand up for these institutions, that people like mark meadow and jim jordan, they want to impeach the deputy attorney general. this is all part of a campaign pointed at doing two things. number one and most importantly, trying to pre butt the mueller
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investigations. if you look at the polling, they've succeeded. whatever he come out with. the president will follow up with a tweet saying i told you so. it is the 19 or whatever the number is now. democrats and angry bob mueller, in order to damage the credibility of this investigation. and of course, to instill fear in the ranks of the fbi. that's the only way you can explain the override of the recommended punishment for peter strzok. the only way you can explain mccabe being fired literally the evening that he was going b to get his full pension. it is delegitimizing people, senior people, you'd better get on board this president. >> what's the cure? if it is an effort to pre butt the mueller investigation, to delegitimize the fbi and the rule of law and the justice department particularly when it comes to this issue, whas the
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cure? >> the cure would be the wrong. the cure would be republicans in the congress standing up and saying, hey, i get this president is of my party. i also get the fbi and cia are comprised of people who are enormously talented. no, mr. president, you won't use to defend your fantasies and your witch hunt beliefs, you won't damage these institutions which are so important to the safety and national security of this country. that is not going to happen. so sadly, it will take us a long time. maybe we start next year if the democrats take control of the house of representatives. we will have the power of subpoena. we will look into these things. it will take time reestablish the credibility of these
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institutions that was deliberately damaged by a president who, let's be blunt, these long conversations about did comey tell the truth. the president is a serial liar. you need to look at half his tweets to know that is true. or half the statements he makes. he does not care for the truth and he has thrown mud on an awful lot of people who may have had poor judgment. strzok did some things deserve punishment. jim comey, i completely disagree with his decision. >> thank you. >> we have a lot more to get to. a busy mop night. stay with us. np night. stay with us. dp night. stay with us. ap night. stay with us. yp night. stay with us. night. stay with us.
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wi-fi networks have been hacked into. during convention events, if anyone is negligently logged on to an insecure network, their private log-in information will get sxhakd then posted on a big wall of sheep splashed along one wall of the convention center for everybody to see and feel embarrassed about. prank city. it is designed to make suckers into fools. this past weekend in las vegas at one of these annual hacker conventions, one conventioneer participant hacked into an exact replica of the florida secretary of state's election website. this hacker went in and changed the vote totals for the 2016 election giving himself over 1 billion votes in the process. very hilarious, right? kind of scary because this was actually an exact rep lake of
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the secretary of state's real official election page that this guy hacked. scary. even more scary when you learn the hacker who gave himself over a billion votes in florida, that hacker is 11 years old. 11-year-old emmett brewer successfully sbhookd this replica of the secretary of state's website and did change the vote totals for a recent election. i should tell you that he did it in under ten minutes. this 11-year-old changed the names and the vote numbers that appeared publicly on the secretary of state's website. he was not able to change the actual voting total records maintained by the secretary of state's office but if a real life hacker were to do this, were to do what this 11-year-old did this past weekend in less than ten minutes on real election day, on the actual secretary of state election result website while people are watching the results come in. that kind of stunt in real life would be enough to spur wide
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ranging doubt when it comes to trusting the outcome of an election. that's something florida is already very much at risk of. last week we covered this on the show last week. we'll stay on this story. senator bill nelson of florida tried to pull the fire loorm this issue a little bit. he told reporters in his home state of florida that russian hackers have already penetrated some florida voting registration systems ahead of the 2018 mid-term elections. he said he and his fellow florida senator marco rubio had been asked by the top republican and the top democrat on the intelligence committee, senators richard burr and mark warner, they had been asked to alert local officials in florida to this fact, although he said he couldn't elaborate any more publicly on what the threat was. the response was swift. the department of homeland security that they had seen no new compromise by russians actors. the florida secretary of state said he too had zero information
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to support those claims. governor rick scott of florida is running against bill nelson for senate. he came out and suggested that bill nelson was making stuff out. the two republican that's he claimed had knowledge of this, burr and rubio, neither one is denying what bill nelson has. said. and then late started to appear to be taking these allegations a little more seriously. they responded by basically scoffing at the senator. then late on friday, the secretary of state wrote a letter to the homeland security department and the fbi asking to reaffirm their commitment to working with florida officials to share any knowledge of florida's threat to systems. then over the weekend senator mark warner, top democrat on the intelligence committee, he put out a statement backing senator bill nelson up directly saying he was right to warn election
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officials in his state about this quote very serious and ongoing threat to our democracy. i urge officials at all levels of government to lead the warning and work with dhs to address the threat. so we don't know yet how this gets worked out or if partisans in florida will stop treating this as something that will be something that they fight about in terms of bill nelson's re-election and they start treating it as something that needs to be protected in terms of people turning out to vote. apparently the florida's secretary of state's website can be hakd by an 11-year-old in less than ten minutes and senator nelson is standing by this very provocative claim now supported by members from both parties that right now russians are already in the election systems with freedom to move about at will. as i an, the story keeps evolvi
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exhibit 452. i've been waiting for and it waiting for it and waiting for it. ever since the prosecutors in the paul manafort trial announced mid trial that they would add to the list of evidence that they would present in their case, this 452 thing has been keeping me up at night. the description of 452 has made me think that it might have something to do with the allegation that trump campaign chairman paul manafort sold the promise of a job in the trump administration essentially for cash in the form of $16 million in loans from a little bank in chicago. prosecutors allege that paul manafort promised the ceo of that bank, a man named steve calk, a job in the trump administration for those $16 million in loans. we thought that exhibit 452 might have something to do with spelling that out. now we have exhibit 452. as of tonight. it does not disappoint. all right.
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it's an e-mail. to paul manafort from steven calk. date november 15, right after the election. subject. stephen m. calk. will you please advise what changes is that improvements should i make. my goal is to ensure you or my designated prosper, huh? has all the information they need to have me successfully chosen by the president-elect. my designated prosper. i look forward to your response. he then taxes to that e-mail what he says are his qualifications to be the next secretary of the army including his passion, also his loyalty to donald trump. he then attaches his resume in a nice professional head shot. then look at the last page.
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perspective roles in rank order. secretary of the earl. deputy secretary of the treasure riflt secretary of commerce, secretary of hud, deputy secretary of defense, undersecretary of the treasury for housing. do not call the man inflexible. he also took liberty of listing out his preferred ambassadorship that's the none of those cabinet secretary jobs worked out. first he would like to be ambassador to the united kingdom, france, germany, italy, spain, japan, ireland, australia, china, united nations -- he runs a teeny tiny little bank in chicago. he wants to be the next ambassador to the u.n. well, that is his tenth choice. can we look at the header again? the very top. perspective roles.
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not prospective -- this is like a form of -- it should be noted secretary of education is not on his wish list. nor was ambassador to spelling. steve calk did not become the secretary of the army or the ambassador to the u.k., or any other top roll in the government. defeat you are however, prominently and surprisingly, in the prosecution's final day of arguments in the paul manafort trial. that story is next. stay with us. ♪
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the defense and on a sealed response to that motion filed by the prosecutors. we have no idea what that's about. it is under seal. as the prosecution rests on the eve of the defense picking up the baton tomorrow, we have no clue if the defense plans to call any witnesses at all on behalf of paul manafort. nobody seem to be that manafort himself will end up in the witness chair but will they not call anyone? we have no idea. tonight the defense did issue a last ditch motion asking the judge to dismiss all the charges against manafort. all 18 of them. we're told this is fairly routine. the defense's last chance to get judge to end the trial and throw out the case before the jurors get a chance to decide on a verdict. the judge will rule on that in the morning. and then presuming he lets the case go ahead, depending on whether or not the defense decides to put anyone on the
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stand, we will move on to closing arguments. if the closing arguments happen tomorrow, it is conceivable, not at all likely, we could have a verdict by the end of the day tomorrow. i doubt it but technically maybe. in case, don't make any plans. i plan to stay bolted to this stool until further notice. there's one last thing that stands out as an intriguing mystery in this trial. why did the prosecution choose as the big finale of the case, the bank fraud that was committed against the federal savings bank. that's where manafort apparently offered the ceo the job of running the u.s. earl or maybe a cabinet secretary job. manafort apparently made offers like that right raublds the sim the same ceo was intervening to make sure that manafort got really big loans from that little bank. and we learned a few things today. we got testimony that the bank's
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ceo did personally intervene to green light those loans. even after the bank's president said no. so he overruled it from the other senior leadership at the bank to make sure it would go forward. we learned that the $16 million the bank loaned the manafort, those were the two largest loans in the history of that bank. and we learned that they were not great loans. the bank has lost $11.8 million on those loans already. and technically we learned today the loans are still outstanding. on friday afternoon, prosecutors told the judge that they viewed that bank ceo as a co-conspirator with paul manafort in a scheme to defraud his own bank. prosecutors told the judge the ceo has, quote, other criminal liability.
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thus far throughout the trial the bank ceo is nowhere to be found. the two employees that did testify, including one today, that they were granted immunity so they themselves wouldn't be prosecuted. how does this all fit together? how does this fit into the larger case considering the president's campaign chairman? are there more criminal charges related to this that we don't know about? why did prosecutors finish their case with this? what do jurors make of this? why is this the big finale? mr. goldman, thank you for being here. do you, big picture, do you have a sense of why this is the sort of prosecutor's finale? why they have ended with this?
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>> i think two reasons. one is a simple chronological reason. that this charge comes last in time of all the charges in the case. so as the prosecutors are painting the picture of paul manafort's finances, he makes a boat load of money when he was working with ukraine. he still needs more money to satisfy his lifestyle. he starts to lie to obtain loans based on using his home as collateral in the 2016 time period. the other reason is that this is a little bit messier, murkier. you have immunized witnesses from the bank and you have as you point out, this whole stephen calk moreass. they want to paint a picture of
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paul manafort as a straight-up liar, which he did on the bank account records and now at the end, as the jury understands him and his lies, it puts everything in should we expect that there might be other criminal charges that are brought in conjunction with this sort of offer of trump administration jobs in exchange for cash? as you mentioned, we've got two of these witnesses testifying with an agreement to provide them immunity in exchange for their testimony. we have prosecutors telling the judge that the ceo, the bank ceo in this case does have criminal liability and they consider him to be a coconspirator. do you think there will be an offshoot criminal case? >> i think there could be, but my view, and this is all speculation since we don't know a lot about what the evidence is, my view is probably not.
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the prosecutor after mentioning that he could be an unindicted coconspirator in that case walked back from that assertion and ultimately didn't try to introduce the evidence that would rely on him being an unrelated coconspirator. we don't know what the other investigation unrelated to bank fraud is. but the pay to pay issue is something we discussed with michael cohen. the law is very difficult on that, and a quid pro quo for someone who is not a government official and does not have a government role and can do an official act just makes it very difficult to charge criminally. >> one last question for you. if you were betting, would you bet the defense is going to put any witnesses on the stand, or would you think they will put zero witnesses up there? >> i'm betting they will not. >> i'm thinking so as well. really appreciate you being here. thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. more ahead here tonight. stay with us. you ready for this, junior?
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i'm going to give you one more mystery, which is sort of an invitation for somebody who knows the answer to this to leak it to me. here's the mystery. with the dust starting to settle on the first felony trial of the president's campaign chairman, the president's tenty campaign chair man, rick gates, will definitely be remembered as the star witness. rick gates is cooperating with bob mueller.
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how long rick gates ultimately spends behind bars himself will be directly contingent on how helpful he is to prosecutors both in the manafort case and other matters. we don't know how long gates will ultimately spend behind bars. we don't know when rick gates will be sentenced. he doesn't have a date yet. it is not the case for george a papadopoulos. he is due to be sentenced on september 7th, which is the friday after labor day. the special counsel's office has until this week to file with the court their recommendation for punishment. basically to tell the judge in papadopoulos' case how long
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george should spend behind bars. but a funny thing happened today. robert mueller requested and was granted a protective order, quote, restricting the use, dissemination of discovery materials which the defendant has requested in advance of his sentencing. protective order today? why five days before mueller's prosecutors make their recommendation for punishment for george papadopoulos, why today was a giant legal cone of silence dropped on top of all the evidence in this case? why did that happen and why now? if you know, tell me. if i find out by hook or by crook, i will tell you next. stay with us. ♪
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