what my 6-year-old asks me every day, what happens next? >> does he ask you that? that's a great question. >> where do we go from here? >> this is where we go from here -- i'll tell you where we go. my book comes out in two weeks. >> oh god. you're fired. >> are we on the air? >> yes we're on tv. >> what comes after is -- what's deafening about this is all the silence. there's a lot of silence by the republican house. certainly the woodward book, we'll hear from many others who will speak. >> my thanks to you all. katie is in for chuck. katie, amazing interview with omarosa. >> thank you. she claims the president calls his education secretary ditzy

devos. >> that was unbelievable. >> we reached out to her office for comment. >> unbelievable. >> nicole, thank you very much. if it's tuesday, bob mueller if you're listening, did candidate trump noi about the clinton e-mails before the wikileaks release. >> did donald trump know about those e-mails before they came out? >> absolutely. >> who's telling the truth? plus paul manafort stays silent as the defense rests. >> he and his legal team believe the government has not met its burden of proof. it's election day in the midwest. this is mtp daily and it starts right now.

>> good evening i'm in for chuck todd. we begin with a bombshell allegation, that the president was part of the russian conspiracy to sabotage our democracy. that allegation being made by a former top aid to the president who has already sworn that she has tapes of conversations with him and his campaign team. guys, buckle up. here's is just part of my interview with omarosa manigault newman after she confirmed that she spoke with special counsel robert mueller's team. >> you were instructed according to your book to bring up the e-mails at every point you could at the end of the 2016 campaign. >> that's right. >> hillary clinton's e-mails. >> yes. >> did donald trump know about the e-mails before they came out? >> vabsolutely. >> he knew about them?

>> absolute yes. >> you're saying donald trump had a back channel? >> i'm not saying that you did. i'm going to expose what happened in the campaign and in the white house. >> tonight's panel is nbc's senior politics anchor. brett steven and zelina maxwell. that is a massive allegation. i've never heard anybody in the president's orbit, in the campaign, in the white house who said anything remotely that serious that he knew about the e-mails before wikileaks released them. what's your reaction? >> it's like she spoiled the finale for us. there are a lot of publicly known facts. there's some information in the indictments that's been released that leads us to believe the president may have known.

we don't know for certain. your campaign manager knows. jared kushner knows. your son knows and you're one floor up. is it outside of the realm of the possibility to believe that the president may have been known in advance that russia had some illegally obtained e-mails and were going to release them later in the summer as donald trump said famously in the e-mail to the russian businessman. it's important to understand this is an incredible allegation coming from someone who we all discussed all week may not be the most credible source. she has tapes to back up what she's saying. >> beth, do you think she's not credible? >> she comes off as very credible in the interviews. the fact she's got tapes to back her up reinforcing the credibility. the question is if what she told you is what she told robert mueller. if she is, that's more news than we expected. >> if she didn't call robert

mueller, i imagine her phone is ringing. >> she's saying i'm happy to share whatever i've got with you. whether she's credible or not, she's a ticking time bomb for this president with respect to the investigation. >> i would say she's a political gift to this president. the allegation is explosive and devastating if true. >> if true. >> there is a good chance to imagine it might not be true. what we might be dealing with is someone who is seizing a moment of maximum publicity irrespective of the consequences. the consequences if it's not true, it's going to be dynamite for the president, that is for his side. he will be able to say all of my accusers are publicity seeking liars and it will be devastating for those of us who think the president is guilty of something. >> if the president knew about the e-mails before wikileaks released them, wouldn't that be

the subject of the book. >> it would be conspiracy. >> that would be the entire investigation. >> wouldn't she write a book about that? wouldn't that be a big part of her book. >> she put in the book things she could verify or the things she recorded. these are the things i'm alleging and here's the proof. with this allegation she can't do that. maybe that's why she didn't make the crux of the book that. >> the way she said it was fairly glib. >> i don't know. i don't know how glib -- >> it struck me odd. >> listen to another exchange i had with her talking about staffers and what they're doing in the white house. again, she wouldn't give me any proof. >> how worried are folks in the white house, staffers, about this investigation, the mueller investigation? >> they should be very worried.

>> are they worried? >> absolutely. they've been hiding things from the american people. >> the staffers have been hiding things. >> what have they been hiding? >> i can't go into it. >> if robert mueller's team has asked her these questions or she sat for a grand jury which she wouldn't confirm or deny and was asked that question and answered it, there's a reason she couldn't answer me. there are reasons why she wouldn't be able to give me proof. then again, if she's not said these things to the special counsel, there's no reason not to name those things. there is a credibility problem at this entire white house. we know this white house lie toss the american public. we've caught them in lies. >> remember what happened in michael wolff's book, some of

those allegations turned out to be thinly sourced. from a standpoint of credibility that was devastating for michael wolff. that book ended up not laying a single finger on the president politicly speaking. when you're going to accuse a proven liar of lies, your own credibility ought to be pretty good. otherwise you're doing the president a favor. this is what frightens me about the omarosa phenomenon. >> he's tried to tear down james comey. he's gone after him relentlessly and ruthlessly trying to tear down his credibility. >> and failing to do so. >> i would not compare omarosa to james comey. clearly the president is nervous. he's tweeting she's a dog. sarah huckabee sanders said she hopes we never, ever talk about

this again. >> she wouldn't even utter her name. that's got to lend credence to her claims if they're that nervous. >> they're definitely nervous. when general kelly came in one of the reasons was because omarosa was in the oval office. just to push back on your point, i don't think omarosa has to be the perfect messenger for some of this in terms of being thought to be credible. just because the president is a liar you then have to be perfect. often we deem the person communicating some sort of allegation, we require that person be perfect in order for their story to be believed instead of looking at the facts. is the president a racist? we don't need a tape of him saying the n word to believe that. is a tape going to change your

mind? >> there's ample tape of her defending the president saying he's not a racist. she said we should bow down to president trump. >> there are plenty of people in your family or people that you know that you might defend. >> she only started tearing him down after she got fired from the white house. she does have tapes. she has tapes and has proved some of her claims. the other day she said katrina pearson, they had a phone call about trump using the n word. katrina denies this on fox news. this morning omarosa lays down a tape. >> i said, well, sir, can you think of any time this might have happened? he said no. >> that's not true. >> he said how do you think i should handle it? i told him what you said omarosa, well, it depends on what scenario you're talking about.

he said why don't you put it to bed. >> he said it. he admitted it. >> this is katrina pearson getting steam rolled by omarosa. she said she never had this conversation. here's a tape of this conversation. she's now saying she was trying to placate omarosa. she said they didn't have a conversation. they had a conversation. >> we're talking about a lot of people that have credibility problems. omarosa obviously had a close relationship and was willing to go out and defend somebody that had her back and gave her financial support. i'm saying why do we need a tape of the president saying the n word to know he was a racist. >> don't we need proof that he conspired with the russians. >> that's a separate point.

>> we're talking about the claims she made, the president knowing about these e-mails. yes he waved them around. yes, he said russia if you're listening. there are things that point you in a direction that donald trump or his campaign knew about this. yes, they point you in that direction. >> i'm agreeing with you katie. i think on the issue of racism, that's the focus of our conversation today -- >> one of the huge things. >> is the point we don't need the tape to know the way trump behaves? frankly we don't need omarosa to know how the white house operates. the fact is that she was in the white house to begin with. >> she had been in the white house before. >> she had. >> she was there. here's how the president described the woman.

when you give a crazed crying low life a break and give her a job at the white house, i guess it just didn't work out. good work by general kelly for quickly firing that dog. a crazed, crying low life a break. this is a person he hired. he hired her because she was a crazed, crying low life? >> why do we need to know what he might have said? what he has said is indictment enough. >> listen, if you turn into a crazed low life, there's always a job at the white house. >> apparently. apparently i need a different job. i need to be more crazy. >> one of the questions i ask myself literally every day as the president does more and more is at what point are we going to

say this is a deal breaker for me? i'm not going to support the president. i'm talking about president trump supporters. at what point are we going to be like enough is enough? calling a black woman a dog is my line. >> there's no line. >> there needs to be a line. >> one other thing, two things in terms of the mueller investigation that could be interesting. in her book she write it is firing was all about comey's rejection of trump's loyalty demand. i never thought he would go through with it. that's something that bob mueller's team is going to be interested in. this other thing, she talks about donald trump intervening to get her to drop a lawsuit against david pecker.

that's got to be interesting to the sdny. >> that mirrors some of the reporting we've already learned. she's probably going to continue to release tapes to back up the things she's telling reporters. >> let's hear more tape. >> she should be careful to speak truthfully to the special counsel. >> yeah, don't lie. the great chuck rosen berg says eat your vegetables, make your bed, don't lie to the fbi. ahead keeping the white house secrets. what's behind president trump's use of nondisclosure agreements? you were crazy. but so began the year of me. i discovered the true meaning of paperless discounts... and the indescribable rush of saving drivers an average of $620. why does fear feel so good? i fell in love three times -- once with a woman, once with a country, and finally...

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trying to silence me. what is he trying to hide? what is he afraid of? if he hadn't said anything derogatory to african americans why would he try to shut me down? >> that was omarosa telling me about president trump's efforts to keep her silent, efforts that include trying to enforce a nondisclosure agreement she signed in 2014. whacky omarosa already has a fully signed nondisclosure agreement. ndas are not unusual for businesses or campaigns. according to "the washington post" even dozens of white house aides have signed them during the trump administration a practice not widely used by past administrations in part because most legal experts believe such agreements are not legally enforceable for public employees. with me now is mark lauder

former special assistant to president trump and former press secretary of vice president mike pence. mark, thank you for joining us. >> thank you for having me. >> let's talk about nondisclosure agreements. did you sign one while you were in the administration? >> yes. the first thing i did after i left the administration in last october and joined the re-election campaign i signed an nda as well. >> why? >> i'm being paid and encouraged to speak more. it's standard operating procedure in these kinds of campaigns and corporate world. i take it as a personal commitment regardless of whether the nda -- my job as a senior advisor not only at the federal level, but when i worked for mayors and governors, is offer

advice. they need to be able to trust me and know i'm not going to violate that confidence in terms of discussing our private conversations. in this case it was put in writing. it's something i would have done regardless. >> let me read what omarosa's nda in the 2016 campaign looked like. during the terms of your service you promise and agree not to demeanor disparage publicly in any form or through any medium, the campaign, mr. trump, mr. pence, any trump or pence family member, company or any asset any of the foregoing own or product or service any of the foregoing offer in each case by any restricted means and context. is that what yours looked like? >> yes. when chuck had that on the sunday program, i looked at mine. that paragraph was word for word as the same one offered to omarosa. it's my understanding these are

boiler plate. the one she was offered buwas boiler plate. it was standard operating procedure and went with joining the campaign, not necessarily any form of hush money even though i know that makes scandalous headlines. >> if you're not allowed legally to disparage the president or his family or anything they have to do with, any company they have or asset they have, why can we believe anything you say? >> well, i'm here to serve as a spokesman for the president and vice president and their campaigns. i've spent a long time doing that. i make my counsel to my candidates and office holders in private. when they make a decision, it's my job to go out there and express that to the people we represent. if i ever found myself in a position i couldn't do that keeping with my own integrity, i wouldn't work with that candidate any longer. >> if you wouldn't work for them

any longer, say something happened that horrified you or appalled you and you thought was illegal and you left and you signed angi nda, you can't talk about it. so again why wouldn't we trust anything you say? >> i'm not a lawyer. feel free to correct me by scholars in that area. if there was something that rose to a criminal level that i could communicate that with the proper authorities those are not discovered under a a nondisclosure agreement. there's a difference between talking to investigators in those kind of settings rather than going and getting seven figures or more for a tell-all book where the allegations change by the hour. that's what we're looking at right here. >> in terms of loyalty, you talk about a personal commitment to the person that you're serving and the person who asks you to

sign a nondisclosure agreement. when you're in government service and working in an add administration, working in a house and building that the tax payers pay for and the tax payers are paying your salary, does your loyalty remain with the person who asked you to sign the nda or with the public, the people paying your salary? >> as an official employee you're there to represent the tax payers, the citizens and guests of our country. this has been a long tradition that white house staffers have said that we serve at the pleasure of the president. that is something that never changed. it's remained a commitment today. it was an honor to serve the president. it's an honor to serve the president on the outside. if i ever found myself in a

position i felt i couldn't comfortable do that i would look for another after new. >> sarah huckabee sanders was asked whether she signed an nda. >> i'm not going to get into the back and forth of who signed an nda at the white house. it's common for a lot of employees to sign ndas including g government, particularly for national security. >> it's the press secretary's job to communicate with the public. are you comfortable with that person signing a nondisclosure agreement that makes them completely loyal to the person at the top, not the country? >> sarah sanders is the white house press secretary. her job is to speak to the american people on behalf of the president of the united states.

it's an honor to consider her a friend and colleague. i understand why she's not making this about her. she's up there speaking on behalf of the administration to the american people. the question whether she has personally done something or not is not necessarily going to advance the administration's goal. it's really talking about her personally. >> do you understand why people might be uncomfortable with that? >> i can see why the nondisclosure agreements are something that can be debated. i'm sure legal scholars will. as sarah said today, especially as it comes to national security, i'm forbidden to discuss those things for the rest of my life. while this is very commonplace on nondisclosure agreements in the business world, campaigns and hollywood, i didn't find anything wrong with that. part of my commitment was to not disclose my private conversations with the staff,

with the president, the vice president and that's something that i still won't do today because then they won't trust me. >> not everybody has a national security clearance. those people are still signing nondisclosure agreements. what's your reaction to omarosa saying that donald trump knew about the e-mails before wikileaks released them? >> i think it's another allegation without any support, without any evidence. we've seen her story change time and time again from the day after she was departing the white house. she went on national television and said she resigned. she supported the president, said he wasn't a racist. here we are eight months later when she's selling a book and her story has changed over and over. we see discrepancies in her description of the so-called alleged tape where she heard it, she didn't hear it. it's being discussed. it wasn't discussed. there's so many variations.

it's really disappointing because that is a violation of the trust that staffers place with their office holders at every level of government. when we get to a point as a country, regardless of party, that an office holder whether it's a mayor, senator, congressman or president, can't have a conversation with their staff members or their staff members can't talk amongst each other and debate the issues, debate the decisions, make the recommendation to that office holder without fear of being taped or outed or have their opinions taken out of context and put into some book, that does a disservice to our country. >> here's the thing, i'm taking this allegation alone right here. she's alleging the president of the united states worked with a foreign power to meddle with our allegations. that's a big allegation of criminal activity. >> with no proof. >> can you say without fear that

you're wrong definitively that the president did not know about those e-mails before they were released by wikileaks? >> i can tell you i was on the campaign with the candidate for vice president, now vice president, just like everyone else whether they were in the media or in new york, we were all watching our twitter feeds and watching for news accounts for when the next release came from them. i had no indication that anything was coming before we knew it was actually coming out. >> mark lauder, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, katie. a major development in the paul manafort trial. we'll bring you an update next. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget...

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>> i'm here with your msnbc market wrap. the dow and s and 3 snapped four-day losing streaks. apple is on the hunt for engineers to squojoin a team th could be developing a process chip for processing health data. that's it from cnbc. now back to "mtp daily". >> mr. manafort just rested his case. he did so because he and his legal team believe that the government has not met its burden of proof. >> welcome back. you heard from the attorney for president trump's former

campaign manager. paul manafort spoke saying he would not take the stand. both sides will make their closing arguments tomorrow morning. then the jury will get its instructions to decide manafort's fate. i'm joined by our legal analyst daniel goldman. daniel, good to see you outside. let's start with the defense not calling witnesses an resting its case. is it normal? >> it happens more than you would think, particularly in a case like this where the whole defense is from the beginning that it was the government's cooperating witness who did it and the government doesn't have enough proof to show the defendant is guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. they are spending all of their

time cross-examine inning the government's witnesses making their own case. they did that quite effectively with the cooperating witness rick gates. >> what about the jury? are there signs there could be something wrong there? >> there's a lot of sealed proceedings going on. it started on friday when there was an extended recess. the judge came back and gave a sort of extra emphasis to the jury not to speak to each other, not to watch tv or read the newspaper. then yesterday morning there was a sealed motion filed by the defense. the government responded. then yesterday afternoon they had argument on it that carried over to this morning when we were told that the judge was interviewing the jurors. from my experience, based on high profile trials like this where there's a tremendous amount of media attention, it's quite possible that one or more jurors may have received

information from outside the courtroom which they're not allowed to see or consider. the real issue is that they would have told the other jurors. we don't know exactly what's going on. my suspicion is that is a mistrial motion filed by the defense because of something related to the jury. >> what about the prosecution and them asking the judge to make it clear to the jury that his mid trial comments are not as important as he made them out to be? what's going on with that? >> so at the end of the day the parties met with the judge and went over the instructions that the judge is going to give the jury. the only issue that the prosecution had with the judge's proposed instructions was one relating to the judge's comments during trial. you may remember, katie, there was a comment by the judge during rick gates cross-examination which undermined the credibility of gates, that the judge was asking

himself, which is entirely inappropriate. the government wanted the judge to add a little extra emphasis to the notion that the judge's comments during the trial may not be considered by the jury. there was an interesting colloquy back and forth between the judge and prosecutor who specifically referenced that question that the judge made of rick gates. >> what should we expect tomorrow? >> well, we're going to have fireworks. we're going to have the closing arguments. one thing to note, because the judge has moved the trial so quickly, the government has expedited its case. they admitted a lot of additional documents into evidence they've not yet shown to the jury. we'll see that all wrapped up neatly into a presentation by the prosecution where they'll argue quite strenuously that the

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it just wasn't appropriate. >> time for the lid. the panel is back. the question to omarosa there was how does he treat women in the white house? she said he treats them differently and he named betsy devos. she's the secretary of education and he's calling her ditsy. what sort of confidence does he have in her? >> probably not very much. there was a lot of back story of how betsy devos ended up in that position. additionally though i would say that donald trump is -- you know, he does have equal opportunity insults in terms of women and men. he calls both names. there's a different level to which he insults women. >> fat slobs, pigs. >> right. he talks primarily about their appearance. he also mentioned how he treated hope hicks differently because she was pretty. there's a benign version of sexism in trump's world where he

treats women in a particular way. he's also misogynistic. some of it is benign and some i it's benign and some of it is pretty ugly. >> there are incidents of nicknames. people are known to use nicknames in an affectionate way to break the ice with someone who worked for him. donald trump uses nicknames to belittle other human beings, lying ted was a pretty potent and effective nickname. >> these are adversaries, as opposed to his own staff. >> for trump, everyone is ultimately an adversary buzz he has a zero sum view of the world where he's on top and someone else is beneath him. it tells you something fundamental about his character which is the inability to establish a human connection, to always want to sort of typecast you as a person and therefore control you with the use of a particular name. >> can i raise a question about that? and i agree with you except that

he's also all about the brand, the best, the most, the biggest, the richest. and he's choosing these people who are going the run the country with him because of all these great qualities. to then go turn around and belittle them after he sort of advertised them as the best people out there. >> yeah, that is a problem. and i wonder if that might resonate with voters. these are the people you chose to put here, and you're deciding that they're ditsy. that's the education secretary, but not just her. we had this report in may about john kelly, this nbc news report by a bunch of my colleagues. here's a portion of it from the very end. trump had for months complained that mcmaster's briefing style was irritating and would do impressions, bellowing a list of points in staccato, his body puffing up and down as he spoke, the official said. he's making fun of his national security adviser as well. >> he so enamored the military --

>> he's not enamored with the military, he said john mccain's name yesterday, and then trashed him. >> he could have joined the military. >> to the point of his brand, it's all about the first responders and the military, and the tough guys who stand up for our country. >> he denigrates the fbi every single day. let's talk about the "n" word. it was interesting that sarah huckabee sanders couldn't deny that the president's never said the "n" word. let's listen. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they'll never hear donald trump utter the "n" word on a recording in any context? >> i can't guarantee anything. but i can tell you that the president addressed this question directly. i can tell you i've never heard it. >> the president can't guarantee it either. he had a tweet that mark burnett called him to say there were no tapes. i don't need anybody to call me.

i know there's no tape of me saying it. >> i haven't said it and i know that to be true. it's not something you need an investigation or call your friends to make sure, to double check. so, i mean, some of this is disingenuous in the sense we know the president doesn't like people of color. his policies demonstrate that, his rhetoric demonstrates that. we've got the evidence on that in terms of making a reasonable calculation as to how he feels about those groups of people. on the other hand, though, it is important that somebody who was getting paid by the taxpayers who is speaking on behalf of the white house cannot guarantee that the person she's claiming represents all americans or wants to represent all americans has said something derogatory, if he said it, apologize. >> give her credit. at least it was a truthful answer. that's nice to hear from sarah sanders. >> that was my reaction as well is that she ultimately doesn't trust him. she doesn't believe him. >> i went back to --

>> somebody who worked on the apprentice production team at the time that omarosa says he used the "n" word about jackson, and this is a person i talked to in the campaign about what may or may not have been said on the apprentice. that person would tell me they heard him talk about women in disparaging ways, comment on the looks, often on hot mics, and those tapes exist, this person said he never heard donald trump use the "n" word. throw that out there. >> well, again, i think i'm going to go back to the point about the "n" word is not the only evidence of racism. and so i think collectively as a country we have to get to the point in which there are other examples that we would say are racist. >> and also, it's so telling the president can't say i've never said that word. >> certainly. but that can't be the only thing. small things that people of color deal with every day are just as frustrating, if not more

so than somebody actually calling you a name. >> you're last word. >> very quickly, what matters is above all the policy, harry truman probably used the "n" word, he also desegregated the military, that ultimately was more important. it would be nice to see president trump to take a step in favor of civil rights of that kind. >> we had this segment the other day, policies versus rhetoric. how the policies have phonfarther to alienating minorities and anything he says. zerlina, brett and beth. ahead, boy meets political world. ♪

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