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case. we will have special coverage as i mentioned tomorrow. as for tonight, that does it for us. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> dogfight. let's play "hardball." i've been trying to think of a u.s. president who called someone a dog. trying to remember obama, or w. or bush senior or ronald reagan calling a woman for the world to hear a dog. how far is this president taking us. how far is he taking his office into history's basement. can we ever rise up to our pride, our hopes and image of ourselves in washington.
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the president likes to say when backed into a corner he fights back. taking fire from ommarosa. president trump calling her a low life. tweeting today when you give a crazed low life a job. what has brought trump to this level of depravity. here is omarosa earlier today. >> what is he trying to hide? i think he should be afraid of being exposed as a maisogynist e
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is. >> the spokesperson for the president could not guarantee that a recording does not exist. here is that exchange. >> can you stand at the podium and guarantee the american people they will never hear president trump utter the n word. >> i can't guarantee completely. >> those who watched our show last night heard ohm omarosa in passing that she had been questioned. >> anything mueller would like to see? >> if his office calls again, anything they want i will share. anything they want i will certainly cooperate. >> if he calls again, you heard again. she repeated to katie tur that
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she had spoken to the team already. >> the mueller investigation, have you been interviewed by the special counsel. >> i have. >> and what sort of questions were they asking you. >> that is the extent that i can discuss it. i do love to communicate about the things that are going on in my life but i can't elaborate. >> for more i am joined by michael steele, ron reagan, asia moodie mills and phil rucker for the "washington post." on the general question of this issue, the n word. that is what we say. we don't lake the word. historically, we have no reason to like it. what do you make of that nondefense by sarah huckabee.
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she didn't deny blankly that he didn't use it. there were people worried about it including people that don't like omarosa. >> she struggled to defend president trump generally against charges of racism. but specifically on that n word tape, it was striking. she of course she hadn't heard the n word, but under the sharp questioning, she could not guarantee. it makes you wonder what is out there. >> ron reagan, we have this guy, part of the penn and teller team from vegas, he said i was in the room. i would say racily and insensitive things. i heard them. i say racially and insensitive
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things that make me uncomfortable. this isn't something that the white house is ready to defend in a blank form. >> yeah. i have to say this is one of those instances where omarosa is saying things we already assumed. anybody surprised that donald trump would deploy the n word in various context? i am not. if there is a tape and you actually hear him saying that, that is liable to have impact. and i am sure he doesn't want that to come back. >> the white house briefing was dominated. question after question about omarosa and president trump's allegations. watch this happening today. >> is this any way for a president to talk about any
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american let alone let alone he hired. >> the president voicing his frustration. >> why does he hire somebody he described as a dog. >> this has absolutely nothing to do with race. >> have you asked the president if he has ever used the n word. >> i didn't have to. he addressed it to the american people. i can tell you the president addressed this question directly. >> just to be clear, you can't guarantee it. >> if you look at actions this president has taken, the policies he has taken. >> would like the president stop tweeting about omarosa. >> the administration in some cases will be forced to response. >> the dog word. the use of that word in this context, in this heat right now,
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this argument what does it tell you about the president's character. >> he couldn't tweet out the b word which is what he wanted to say, call her a female dog instead he called her a dog. troubled by the fact that there is a vile and bigoted person in the white house. we knew his character when he was running for office. we knew his character when the tapes came out talking about his stature as a celebrity. we knew his character was decades ago when he put an ad in the "new york times" to put innocent black boys away. >> well let me go to this whole thing, first of all, the dog thing, i think it is derogatory especially towards women.
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i think it has a history there. this is not something i grew up. it is always derogatory. and it has to do with everything awful. when a president speaks, he is not just ahead of the executive branch, chief executive, or not just commander in chief. he is head of state. he sits in lincoln's chair and he talks for the country. and he calls a fell low member our society a call. that is unusual and i am speaki speaking politely. dog is not in the lexicon of presidents. >> what presidents may have sailed privately, that is a different ball game. this president has no filter. >> he tweeted it. >> he has no filter in regard to say.
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>> what is he trying to say? what does he want to get done by calling someone a canine, i dog. >> he wanted to use the b word. >> do you think? >> you think he is more angry? >> of course he did. >> aisha that is your opinion. >> i don't think he is afraid of her. he created her. in this sense, he wanted to use that word but he couldn't. so he fell back on dog. >> he used her to vouch for him to show his diversity. >> and to defend him in charges of racism and sexism during the parade. she is one of the people who he would put out. the dog thing, going back to
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using animalistic slurs. keeping with the pattern through history. >> and guys, as the black liberal on the panel, i wanted to add, sarah sanders said look at this record. oh, look at what he could do for black people. and certainly he has not had any policies that have demonstrated a commitment to the community. so just by her own conversation today we can show that the president is not down with black people. and that is his own policy issue. this calling people out with a name, whether it is a woman, or a person of color, is problematic for the president of the united states. >> i think he has been siding with what he thinks is fwgoing
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be a tribal election. faking a fight with lebron james. he was the underdog for that race in the nba. people cared about that. calling omarosa is a dog is a long pattern and dehumanizing patterns of president trump. >> you've called women you don't like fat pigs, dogs, slobs and disgusting animals. >> only rosie o'donnell. >> it was well beyond rosie o'donnell. the big problem this country has is being politically correct. >> she started asking me ridiculous questions. blood coming out of her eyes, blood coming out of wherever. you have beauty, and then you have rosie, the beast.
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what is that? is that a dog? >> it's hillary. >> only in new hampshire. first it was a screechy dog, and then it was a serious dog, right? >> ronald reagan, about this, and i think this is a nonpartisan assessment. i was reading this book coming out about lbj, at the moment kennedy was killed. he grew. he got the civil rights bill through. he grew into someone else. he drew something out of him that was good and proud. he doesn't seem to have said wait a minute, now i can't say dog anymore. i can't make these street corner comments i used to make when i was a tycoon. >> you asked if there was any
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other president we could remember would say anything like this about a fellow american ste citizen, and the answer is no. not politically. donald trump does not appreciate or grasp the dignity of the office he holds. trump has had the opposite effect. he is not growing into the dignity and the grandeur of the office. he is dragging it through the gutter. that is who he is. no larger self that he is going to assume. this is what he gets. aisha was correct at the beginning. what do you think you are going to get when you stainstall in t
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office a socio-path. >> i want to remind, ronald reag reagan senior president, he wouldn't walk into the oval office without his suit coat on. and i liked that. a little formality and a little class in our president. thank you for joining us. newcomer here, please come back, phil rucker, a great reporter. president trump stepping up his attacks in the face of legal threats. possible mueller subpoena. trump's problems not going away. they are multiplying. the defense rests in their case in the trial of paul manafort without calling a single witness. i think they are bluffing on defense. they don't have a case.
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the president signed a defense bill named for john mccain. he wouldn't admit in his statement that it is called the senator mccain. talking about that with the round table. everything trump has done in the last 24 hours shows a man pet tr trif fied. this is "hardball" where the action is.
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then the trial of paul manafort which could conclude in the matter of days. the unpredictability of michael cohen. what does he have to say? then those already cooperating in the russia probe, michael flynn who is already talking. and last by not least, the growing possibility that the president's own son could be in criminal jeopardy. all of these concerns, in addition to actually, catch this, being president of the united states on the side of this. it could explain why we see the president lashing out on twitter. he called again for the end of russia probe. and calling for strzok. who is left to believe him, trump that is.
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showing a majority of the american, 56% the public statements about the russia probe are mostly completely false. joining me now is jill wine-banks, and ken voggel political reporter of the "new york times." do you remember that song "seven women on my mind ." if i am trump, i am worried about all of these possible witness witnesses. his son, manafort maybe talking. michael cohen talking already. so many people and of course omarosa with tapes, she has piles of tapes she says now in her closet somewhere ready to play for us in the next couple of weeks. how does a guy like that, a defendant keep his mind if he
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has one? >> well, i think the answer is he doesn't have one and that he is delusional. he almost believes what he says. >> that is he is completely innocent and nothing to fear from these people. >> only explanation. because the things he says are so easily disproved that if you weren't delusional, you wouldn't say them. a liar always says something that is in some way is proving true. i am shocked that it is even 40 some percent that do. it is right in front of us. the collusion which is not collusion, it is conspiracy to defraud the united states. and conspirators to violate our election laws. crimes that are being committed in our face. when he says stop the
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investigation to tweets, and by the way, i am a big dog lover. >> all of whom, starting with manafort and flynn talk to him, and cohen as well. and omarosa on the outskirts heard him talking for all of those months you work for them. you hear them talking. and all of this conversation, he must be afraid that he said something that all of them, all of them, each individual putting together have a hell of a pile of witnessing. starting with omarosa, his in box right now. >> feels a great existential threat. even more acutely, what he feels or three areas where his
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sensitivities are being inflamed. someone is making money off of him. that is what bothers him. omarosa is hocking a book. three folks, more than that who he thinks he made. >> who is he loyal to? >> that is a good question. these people are preparing for him to flip on them as he expects them to be loyal to him. and that bothers him. he feels like he made their career and they come out and say something disparaging. and then additionally, he feels like you know, these people are giving mueller something that would allow him to better make this case. and this case being in his mind that he somehow doesn't deserve credit for the presidency, for
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winning the presidency and that is the under lying thing that bothers him. even though, there has been no allegation in mueller's investigation, that is what bothers him about the whole spector of russia hanging over his presidency. >> omarosa confirmed that she has spoken to mueller's prosecutors. so he is like roger stone who also intimated it was time for podesta's time in the barrel. >> did donald trump know about those e-mails before coming out? >> absolutely. >> she didn't provide any evidence to back that allegation. nbc news reported in february. she has been called as a witness. it came out last night in passing at the end of our
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interview. omarosa pointed out, he may call me again. mueller thinks she has something. probably go back to her again. >> absolutely. and no question that if he knew what was on those tapes and knew they were hacked by the russians, that is the end of the case against him. that is unbelievable evidence. so i hope that she has proof of that or that mueller has gotten the proof of it. he is getting desperate, that is trump. and taking out against his son now, when he says to the best of my knowledge. throwing his son under the bus. so really getting desperate and worried about all of the many witnesses. he said he would bring the best to the government and he has brought people who reflect his own values which are none. and they are all birds of a feather flocking together and we need to take a hard look at what
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we are going to find out. >> he has created these min mes. one last question about roger stone. if he knew that it was john podesta's turn in the barrel, i don't think roger kept secrets. he would have told trump. your thoughts. >> if that is the case, one logical possible explanation for how trump might have known. knowing and actually having the e-mails, incorporating the e-mails or in the parlance of federal election rules, coordinating with the power that might be releasing the e-mails are different things. i would want to see proof from omarosa that he knew and even more, he had the e-mails and
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based his campaign strategy on these e-mails. >> when he goes to bed, and puts his head on the pillow tonight, the president of the united states has omarosa on his mind. thank you you very much. even presenting a case, the government prove its case. this is "hardball" where the action is. ty. until i held her. i found my tresiba® reason. now i'm doing more to lower my a1c. i take tresiba® once a day. tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. (woman) we'd been counting down to his retirement. it was our tresiba® reason. he needs insulin to control his high blood sugar and, at his age, he's at greater risk for low blood sugar. tresiba® releases slow and steady and works all day and night like the body's insulin. (vo) tresiba® is a long-acting insulin used to control high blood sugar in adults with diabetes.
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welcome back to "hardball." the defense in the trial are president trump's former campaign chair. manafort's lead attorney spoke briefly with reporters outside virginia courthouse today. >> mr. manafort just rested his case and he did so because he and his legal team believe the government has not met its burden of proof. >> well, paul manafort did speak for the first time during his trial today. the federal judge asked him if he wanted to testify in his own behalf and manafort simply said no, sir. >> closing arguments expected to close tomorrow. bank and tax fraud charge levied against manafort.
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joined by senior fbi official. your sense of what manafort is facing right now, what the jury is looking at and how this thing is going to proceed the next couple of days. >> intensive document which means the jury is going to take a lot of time matching up witnesses with documents, with evidence and trying to remember who said what. and they are going to go through the indictment slowly and take their time. i imagine deliberations will be a couple of days. >> do you think watching the case, average person knows a little bit of math, little bit of bookkeeping will be able to grasp. >> you report x minus y on your income tax return that is a crime. if you have a foreign bank account and didn't report it, that's a crime.
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if you overstate your income when you apply for a bank loan, that is a crime. you don't have to be an accountant. >> what is the normal jury attitude towards a tax cheat. >> most jurors, most are w2 employees. >> simple form. >> when you get paid, you have some amount of taxes held from your pay. school teachers, me, you. >> sure. i have been w2 for years. >> most people, the overwhelmingly majority of people pay their taxes and on time. >> they feel like chumps if they hear about other people cheating. >> they have been honest and the other guy out there who is not honest. >> there is cheating, and then there is manafort cheating. millions and millions of dollars. this is big time cheating.
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>> you see him walking out there a million times. i have only met him a few times during the campaign. what about rick gates. what do they make of that human witness alongside all the documents. >> they are not going to like them. but that is not an important question. are they going to believe them? bank robbers run for bank robbers, and drug dealers with drug dealers. fra fraudsters with fraudsters. it is not just gate's word against manafort. >> how about if there is a republican on the jury. is there a chance of that. >> the judge going to be careful in any trial to make sure that a jury can be fair.
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they don't have to come in knowing anything about politics. >> you can't sneak on to a jury? >> i don't think so. you are promising the judge in open court that you are going to be fair and partial. >> that is hopeful. >> thanks very much. up next, how did president trump manage to make a big deal signing a defense measurement named for john mccain. he skipped over the words john mccain. watching "hardball." isiana... you're a nincompoop! (phone ping) gentlemen, i have just received word! the louisiana purchase, is complete! instant purchase notifications from capital one. so you won't miss a purchase large, small, or very large.
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yesterday president trump appeared at fort trump to sign the john s. mccain act.
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instead of acknowledging mccain's service to the committee trump left out mccain's name while he was reading. he skipped the name. >> the national defense authorization act is the most significant investment in our history and our war fighters in modern history. we would not be here without the dedicated effort of the members of congress. i would lake to recognize congresswoman elise stephaneck. also don baker. and joe wilson. another member of congress, and she is terrific.
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congresswoman martha mcsally. >> hours later he renewed his attack on the senator for repealing obamacare. >> obamacare, i would have gotten rid of everything, but as our wonderful senators said thumbs town at 2:00 in the morning. >> i think it was 1:00 in the morning. working on behalf of america's brave service members has been one of the greatest honors of my life. no higher calling. joined by the "hardball"
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roundtable. s sam. >> let me ask you about this president who harbors such personal antipathy worse than rivalry. why does he detest john mccain? the guy is in very bad shape right now. and he has to pummel him. >> he is somebody that has stood up to trump. trump despises anybody who puts their head up and has a steel spine. he has to keep cutting him down. and mccain still has this aura of glory around him. >> i agree with all of that. but you have to recognize that
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this began before mccain was speaking out. it began in the campaign. >> he said he likes guys that didn't get captured. i have been over there in hanoi. his plane went in the middle of the water. he went into the water. the plane crashed. he didn't just give up. beating the hell, he didn't surrender. >> donald trump got a number of deferments because of bone chips. ridiculous comparison. i don't know what makes him -- >> he hates obama too. >> the only explanation is that he has this long standing view that anyone whoever was a big time political figure were lase losers in his estimation.
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it seems to animate everything he does. >> why is he so mean to the guy. >> the president has shown that he is petty and shown time again. initially it was trump who attacked mccain without any reason. it was before mccain started to be more critical of trump and his candidacy. one thing that is important to understand is that mccain has increasingly been unpopular on the right among the base of supporters. >> but that is critical to understanding why trump gets a pass because this is now donald trump's republican party. we talk about this old guard, mccain, corker, usual suspects of criticism of trump. it is trump who has -- >> thank you.
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let's go back to our top story. former white house staffer omarosa shared a recording that featured campaign ads discussing how to handle the allegation of a recording of the president making racial remarks. late today she responds to omarosa's charges. >> what you don't hear on these tapes tapes is omarosa. she really was a dog with a bone when it came to this tape. >> back to the dog. >> calling omarosa a dog. >> i am fine with it. he is nicer than i would have been. >> a man that spent years helping this woman build her brand, make money, become a star, invested in her ventures. gave her a top job at the white
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house and this is how she is repaying him. >> you don't think any of this is racist. >> not one bit. >> i think omarosa has one advantage, she has the tapes. may well exist out there. it is all on tape. so her battle cry out there saying dog is a good word for me is cozying up of the presidents. >> comey's comments, lord, i hope there are tapes. and omarosa is brilliant. she learned from the best. >> she is like trump in a way. she is a street fighter. >> this is frankenstein's monster. >> or beckett. if you want to make it sophisticated. >> this is someone who knows precisely the moves that trump will make.
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the problem is that everyone in this weird circus is a liar. >> the tapes don't lie. >> no such conversation ever existed and then the tapes don't lie. and they are produced. >> the ini cnic quity. >> derogatory nicknames for just about everyone. >> he talked about all of the people. he would call betsy devos ditsy devos. anybody that was in his world because of his small ability to communicate, he would give them these derogatory nicknames and it wasn't appropriate. >> when you listen to that, it sounds like he wants to diminish people around him. if you will, he wants small people with nicknames. >> he did that throughout the
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campaign trail. lyin' ted, little marco. he tries to diminish others. can we say one thing, the white house is trying to say that omarosa lacks any credibility. they are the ones who brought her into a top job into this administration where she through a six figure taxpayer funded salary. the white house has to be able to answer for why they would have ever employed her in the first place. >> yeah. this does explain one of the mysteries early in the trump tenure. following him around, and maybe you know why now. everybody is afraid to leave. starts stabbing in the back. >> there is something freudian about it. if you diminish people around you, make fun of them and fill
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with mockery, they become obedient. look at the other books by people who have left the white house. they have been sycophantic. the sean spicer book is positive in his book. omarosa took a different path. >> a president who asks everybody for a loyalty pledge. and we have seen that loyalty does not work both ways. >> the round table is if i canning -- sticking with us. tell something i don't know. you are watching "hardball." own, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪ ♪
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enemy of the people is a statement. go ahead, sam. >> 328. the number of days it took us to get all the power it took to the island of puerto rico. just happened 328 after the devastation. it is abysmal. >> what was the derogatory term the president used for puerto rico. >> 163 of them said they won't reunite with their children. they rather the children stay in the u.s. as opposed to the home country. and the government has no information for 26. >> the parents were deported without the children against their will. >> are they with foster parents. >> government detention centers and foster parents. >> that is desperate. thank you, with the sox.
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. trump watch tuesday august 14, 2018. when i was first thinking of the world, the question was survival. we had air-raids to prepare us from the nuclear bombs that
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would come from russia. the great american writer william faulkner said it best. our tragedy today is a general and universal physical fear, no longer problems of the spirit, only the question when will i be blown up. today i think it is different. our problems are of the spirit today. without the slightest lick of embarrassment or remorse or blame. here is his tweet in full content. when you give a crazed crying low lifer a break, and give her a job at the white house. strikes me this hits a new low of our president. he is the president of our country. it will get past this way, the way of the world, the one we have chosen. get past all of it.
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but anyone look back and see this as our country's finest hour. even as we face this challenge. he said in receiving this nobel prize, we will overcome. not only survive but prevail. let's hope that faith as we battle this new challenge of the spirit. this challenge that comes to us from blocks to here. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. >> tonight on all in. >> i am going to expose the corruption. continue to blow the whistle on all of this. >> more allegations from omarosa and desperate reaction from trump world. >> i can't guarantee anything. >> tonight, separating out the truth whenever one