that does it for our show. rachel h rachel. don't go anywhere. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. power trip let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. breaking news from the associated press. just broke the news reported that omarosa manigault newman has more than tapes. just broke.

we begin the other big story news tonight. obsessed with power. president trump appears ready and willing to use his office to punish enemies like omarosa. scare others including his own people into submission. having revoked security clearances, trump is weaponizing the presidency. axios reports president trump has become enamored with power. consultation with anyone else. when it comes to yanking security clearances it is a power that is uniquely and solely hiss. matches his idea of how the presidency ought to be. pure power and instant

gratification. investigating his enemies. yesterday "vanity fair" reported that trump told advisors that he wants attorney general sessions that he wants omarosa manigault arrested. unconcerned with the consequences with the actions he has taken to date. key figures inside the mueller probe. as the washington post reports the president is eager to invoke more security clearances. because he believes he has emerged looking strong and decisive. let's listen. >> i know that i've gotten tremendous response from having done that because security clearances are very important to

me, very, very important. and i have had a tremendous response for having done that. >> is this political retribution, sir? >> i am giving him a bigger voice. many people don't even know who he is. and now he has a bigger voice and that is okay with me. i like taking on voices like that. i never respected him. >> dozen former cia leaders have band together to rebuke the president for unprecedent behavior. they write, we have never before seen the approval or removal of security clearance used as a political tool as was done before. some 60 more cia officials join with former directors in protesting the president's conduct. joining me know is former cia

director. i want to start with john. you know, i am not sure trump cares where he shoots. he is shooting. if anybody gets in his way, he goes with whatever weapon he can find in his holster. he wants to arrest omarosa. he wants his attorney general to go out and arrest her. suing her isn't enough. he does know he is allowed to yank security clearances so first weapon of choice. >> in this case, i don't think he looks strong and determined. he looks thoughtless and like a mad king. i have seen this movie before and it is never in a democracy. frankly, he has been very transparent about this. not much artiface in his

response. the guy is erratic. >> i often thought demagoguery is not a long-term good career move. the rest died hideously. >> the other problem with this is it is not going to work because you can revoke the security clearances unilaterally of people who are out of government and who aren't actively using them anyway. but the problem with revoking security clearances as a strategy for dealing with your political problems is most of the people who have them need them to do jobs that they are doing in the service of you. so you know, what are you going to do. >> you are talking about governing. trump is not interested what you are talking about. >> if you want to run the cia, you have to have people in security. >> you are long-term thinking. reporting now, he loves any power he can get. >> i think there are moments

where we need to remind people that trump's presidency in itself a grand experiment in the american experience. never had a public without public service experience, government experience, military experience. and never had a president without no accountability. he was a sole proprietor. here is why people are, you talk about franco and other dictators. here is why we are having this discussion. people comparing his move to nixon, having an enemies list. creeping towards authoritarian. nixon at least new enough to be embarrassed of his list. >> he says they are enemies of the people. i think trump is back on his

heels. i think everything he is doing with brennan is reacting than omarosa. and she has a lot more ammo than he has ever thought of. apparently getting to the next segment, she has e-mails, documents video, tape, everything. we are going to get to a lot of stuff. she has a hell of an arsenal. i think he is reacting. brennan paid the price to omarosa. tapes scare trump. because it is not fake news. it is real. it's existent. your thoughts. you know this guy. >> well, first i agree with you 100%. donald trump is back on his heels and he is like a coronened

animal. he knows what she is capable of. and we are hearing about more tapes, videos, e-mails. >> that has got to concern him. also, let's not forget whenever he got after whether it is stormy daniels, omarosa, his bark is way worse than his bite. none of these nondisclosure agreements have held up. and he went after brennan. this man who is weak and petty, not surprisingly put himself before country. it is all about himself and nothing to do with the security of this i didn't. >> occasionally, more often for his own good, or too often for

his own good, admits stuff. as i mentioned appears to be an ulterior motive. trump made his decision weeks ago about brennan. announced the action wednesday amidst an onslaught of news coverage. john, i know you are concerned about your institution, the cia, and the government of the united states, this president is primarily concerned about covering his butt. >> yeah. >> and he will use anything. >> i think that is why you see the signatures of all of these people on these letters. >> yeah. >> it's because all of them, particularly the directors and deputy directors have had governing responsibility, responsibility for granting these clearances, for adjudicating them, and revoking them on occasion. they have had them to do it under the law, fairly, and with

integrity. and it affects the security of the united states. it has never been done in my memory for any political reason. do it for that reason, and you are going to end up in court. the president has the authority to do it, i don't think he should. all of this is governed by executive order. >> people who have spent their life working for the fbi, and cia, i know through relatives and people, see themselves as working for america, the country, not some bureaucracy. they see themselves as the good guys and they don't make a lot of money. they do this their whole life because they think this is a cause, almost like a vocation, being somebody of god if you will because it is about country. and they want to defend these institutions. they believe people working with them is the same, serving their

country. trump comes along and what is his system? >> you left out something that is implied what you said and you didn't articulate it. and i want to flesh it out. people actually believe, i know people outside of washington have trouble with this. but it is really true that the people who work in these agencies have a deep seeded idea of a political service. and they don't go in there as democrats or republicans. i know the fashionable thing to think about them as a deep state that has cosmic political interest of their own and that is not the way they think of it. they think of it as service to country. >> guys and women who want to get the facts out. >> how many jobs were created last month. >> it is important to know this. >> and people, people, there are people in the cia who work on

very particular parts of the world, political economy in myanmar. they want to get the political economy in myanmar right. >> debate club. >> and then you have these value systems that trump is up against that he doesn't fathom. he doesn't understand selfless service. he doesn't know what that is. >> he can't even fake it. and that comes, that comes off to people who actually went in with a service mentality. >> he is going after some people, not just going after his so-called enemies or what he calls enemies of the people. he is going after people who might testify against them. people involve in the mueller probe. >> that was the point i was going to make.

he put out an expanding list. no one pushing back on him. response in congress, not getting a lot of push back there. when you look at people like sally yates, they have been involved in some former fashion in the russian investigation as well. two things, speaking out against him, and involvement in the russian investigation. i've got to say, i was a little surprised not to have push back on the hill >> you mean his republicans who find no fault with this man. >> kennedy called him political and a butt head. >> so there is either going along with it and defending it or just completely down-playing it. >> chris, can i add a point. >> go ahead, john. >> i am disappointed in the reaction of his party including

people i respect senator burr and graham and so forth. i don't know that they know what they are doing. in societies that goes bad, what happens is the laws are set aside, the procedures are set aside. and what they have said about brennan is they don't like him. he deserves it. that is not a reason to pull a security clearance. if you say we are going to do it because these guys deserve it. you erode the process of governing. >> where is this guy going. that jury is sitting right there and kissing up to manafort right now today as they are deciding his fate. trump saying good guy. nothing stopping trump. when nixon went after charles manson, that was messing with the jury pool.

this guy is talking to a jury that is sitting this weekend. >> he is also projecting a bit. one of the things that scares him a bit is mueller might have his tax returns. and that is one thing that manafort is on trial for tax evasion and other things. i don't think he cares about manafort. i think he cares about how it reflects on him. and concerned about where this investigation is going and where his tax returns will show up. >> the a mmen corner if he -- >> i don't know. it is so disappointing that these members are not doing their job. they are not putting country first. and you know, that's where donald trump is successful. he made this about an individual, about brennan who has been talking badly about

him. that is where he is able to be successful and attacking people. the senators say, oh, well, he is just one person. let's see where donald trump takes this. because there is only so much people are going to take from the republican party before they completely bolt. >> if you did this all on one day and you stripped all of these people of their security clearance on the same day, we would be talking about it as a saturday night massacre. you do it in slow motion and you get used to it along the way. let's talk about the tank coming at the president, omarosa, one name and that is all she needs. and he is petrified. as bad as it is, it is reactive. he is scared to death of somebody with tape. tape has caused him trouble. thank you very much.

john brennan will be rachel maddow's guest. 9:00 tonight. first appearance since president trump revoked his security clearance. omarosa has as many as 200 more tapes she can release. like time released aspirin. trump's access hollywood tape that triggered michael cohen to give stormy daniels money. trump's overblown, overpriced military parade gets canceled. and escalating fight with new york governor andrew cuomo. how the major news papers

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welcome back to "hardball." brand new reporting tonight that omarosa manigault newman has more than just audio tapes. she has a stash, apparently a big one of e-mails, text messages and hard documentation supporting claims against president trump. coming after released tapes already. she says she wasn't done yet and that is apparently true. let's watch. >> i'm not going to be bullied. i am not intimidated. going to go toe to toe with him. believe me, my tapes are better than theirs. >> thank you both. i like your reporting and your writing.

let me go to ken. you reported she has hundreds of tapes. how do you react to the news that somebody is getting the reporting tonight of associated press that she has other forms of proof. everything is documentable oopz. >> either she was going to cash in in her experience. or she was going to need to protect herself because she thought the trump inner circle. she is playing trump's tactics against him effectively in a way that is driving him crazy as you can see from his twitter feed. >> do you know whether she began collecting this documentation, especially the audio tapes when

she knew she was going to be dumped on or disposed of or she knew from the beginning. >> it was after she learned that things were going south. in very trumpian fashion, she is suggesting there is more out there. telling certainly, and telling in the content and also to hear these things directly from some of the people in their voice. but it is not bombshells. we haven't seen anything super explosive. just like trump saying he has barack obama's birth certificate. >> trump was full of bs on his claims. she is providing. what she is providing so far is interesting to me.

first is laura -- it was just money. we knew some of that was going on. the super pac has a lot of people who were working for it. who don't have clear job description and fit into the categories of just hangers on. that said, to hear laura trump make that offer, it is powerful and it does lead us wanting to know what else she had. >> i never heard of a job conversation where the offer of a job is primarily about the money. if you want to give a speech now that would be okay. it sounds like hush to me. hush, hush sweet omarosa. >> it does. if you want to talk, if you want to exist, it is fine but please don't hurt us. that smopeaks to how important is. >> i think general kelly, when

he tried to erase her from the scene. please leave the building. any idea what kind of order of battle she has. >> it is fascinating. this is one of the crisis that trump has responded to most strongly. an existential threat to the whole trump m.o. which is about being slippery with the truth. x one day, and y the next. when there is hard evidence, you can't do that anymore. >> if you are trump and you think you are the smartest guy in your family, i think that is fair to assume, he thinks so. and these people in his family that aren-- and then that laurah got taped, his daughter-in-law. i wonder if he is worried, what

in hell does that woman have on my kids because they don't know they are being taped. your thoughts. that is what i think trump worried about. actually, she has already taped him too. >> yeah. and you even hear lara trump's tone in that tape that you guys did obtain. i don't think omarosa went in with this expectation of loyalty and sort of a warm mutual relationship. she was butting heads with people from the beginning. a long list of folks that were on her bad side. she had motivation to be recording. and some of the tapes that she has released thus far in my opinion are not super conde

condemntory. it should raise concerns about who else she has. >> it was just broke christina that the reason they gave $130,000, a lot of money, it was because they heard the "access hollywood" tapes and they got spooked. >> it shows the power of the tapes. and it shows what trump's usual method was. completely lie about the whole affair and somebody had the evidence and suddenly it doesn't work and that is frightening to trump. >> i love it when he says that is not my voice on the tape. great to have you on. christina or christine? >> christine. up next, my colleague is going to join us to tell us about his interview tonight. what is this hard right

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economic nationalism doesn't care about your race, your color, your ethnicity, your gender, and sexual preference. what it cares about is if you are a citizen of the united states. one of the things that hurt this

country back in the '80s, is this whole thing of maximization. i like the fact that elizabeth warren ripped me off. >> that was former white house chief strategist, steve bannon coming on tonight at 10:00 with ari melber. steve bannon was a leading force in president trump's campaign. pushing a nationalist agenda called america first. tougher trade policies. now, 18 months into his presidency, we face an unsettled trade war with trump. so what happened to trump's agenda that looked attractive to some people a little bit, who were smart, a little bit.

joining us is the anchor of "the beat," ari melber. when this guy bannon was first out there, it was just awful. he seemed too far right. around the edges were things that were attractive to people. things like no more stupid wars. we are going to rebuild this country. we are going to rebuild stuff here. i don't see that. i see a guy saber rattling in trump. i don't see a guy pursuing rebuilding the country, and staying out of stupid wars. has this guy lost his influence. >> he is out. he is on the outs and trying to claw his way back in. some of the things that we talk about in this interview that is

airing later, how do you say that donald trump is for the working class when 83% of the tax cut benefits go to the top 1%. and how do you deal with an infrastructure that said was going to passed. how do you deal with wall street when you don't take them on. >> let's take a look. i think you are going to give me a piece. let's take a look at your interview tonight, a little tease. >> we do not want to isolate america -- >> we got the wrong thing up there. we are going to have to wait. that was frustrating. let's go. >> this election is going to come as a rerferendum on him. those around him are telling him it is okay to lose the house. you can run against a democratic house in 2020 is bad advice.

>> this guy says you lose the house, you lose subpoena power. and the house can come get you. >> this is where the republicans are in a divide. you have folks in washington around trump and down the hill, who are basically privately saying the house is written off and they will deal with it. bannon, whether you like him or not, a lot of people don't, he was the guy who backed up trump after "access hollywood" and then they did go to win in november. he wants this to be no holds bar and say impeachment of trump is on the table. he talks about his daughter in the military and what it means. and how does that square with support with roy moore. and if we are going to have

gender equality, don't you have to take on patriarchy. this is a guy who is clearly reviled, is also getting in in a way other conservatives aren't. he is trying to push this conversation even as donald trump says they are not buddies. >> i think people have to listen to him and i congratulate you in getting them on. people on the center left where i am, they need to hear this other side. it is not going to change anybody's minds but you have got to know what you are up against. >> in 2016, people were caught by surprise because we weren't listening to everything. >> we thought hillary clinton was going to win right up until 8:30 election night. not enough angry white people. thank you, ari melber. full interview with steve bannon airs tonight ten eastern.

rachel has john brennan on tonight. and he is right in the middle of the news. up next giving our round table a chance to weigh in. he is hitting them because he is scare of manigault. trump blaming the districts of columbia in stopping his bastille day parade. he is blaming the mayor of d.c. you are watching "hardball." sy, thanks to medicine that didn't exist until now. and today can save your life. ♪ ♪ your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one?

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parade. today trump wrote on twitter, the politicians who run washington d.c. poorly know a windfall when they see it. i canceled it. d.c.'s mayor tweeted yup, i am muriel bowser. $21.6 milli $21.6 million of parades events, demonstrations in trump country. sad. you may remember trump got military parade envy after attending a bastille day parade in france. joined by political corresponders for routers. what do you make of this.

if trump would have wanted his parade, he would have gone back with numbers crunchers and got the numbers down. >> when he tweeted today that d.c. is poorly run, what he was doing is harkening back to the d.c. of the 1980s and 1990s. >> in the public eye, it is run by african americans and it works for him. >> we should say that d.c. has a budget surplus these days. and that was not the d.c. that president trump was talking about. >> you are talking -- >> and by the way, this is consistent with this guy. go ahead. >> you talk about how he is cutting welfare in the city and that is the impression of d.c. that people have. bowser is the most popular mayor in d.c. history. >> clean as a whistle. >> they were planning on doing

this in november. the president has a good chance of losing the house. i don't think it mattered that the pentagon didn't want to pay for it, and the city didn't want to pay for it. he didn't want to look like a fool. >> some of these weapons are heavy that they leave tracks on tar. meanwhile president trump escalated a new fight, a new war front. fighting with everybody like groucho marx these days. >> we are not going to make america great again, it was never that great. we have not reached greatness. >> well, governor cuomo received a backlash for that mark. president trump's said cuomo's

comments could be career threatening. cuomo told reporters the expression i used was unartful. >> we have to remember that andrew cuomo is in a re-election fight. there are a lot of people, if you are a minority, if you are a woman, that doesn't think america reached greatness for you. >> do you think it was a smart punch? >> we are in a -- >> why did he take it back? >> because your base hears you. and they are happy with what you are saying and they think you are taking it back because somebody made you. >> go ahead john. >> andrew cuomo is lucky that

anything he says on the campaign trail will be better than that. that is a low moment for him. >> up state new york, by the way. >> what i am hearing from cuomo's camp is we should expect him to be punching at donald trump a lot more. an opportunity for him to draw a contrast between the view of government that trump has and what he is doing in new york. >> i agree with you. when you say america was dandy 50 years ago, anyboin the ''50s. >> he wants the trump and trump wants the fight. two politicians that think fighting makes them look stronger. >> the minute you have to explain your argument, you lost your argument. >> he has this standing in new york. >> let me ask you a question.

i have been listening to you off camera. do you believe the poles that show you so far ahead of cynthia nixon, he can't lose. >> i think he is quite popular in the state and i think it would be however unwise of him to write it off. we have seen in 2010 when a wave shows up unexpected. and cuomo is going to make sure he is not one of those. >> spends hundreds of thousands of dollars on polls. >> i think he spends a lot of money on consulting. whether or not if he hits the numbers. cynthia nixon has a huge hill to climb. >> it is not going to cost her a bit to run this race. this is probably going to be good for her, i am guessing. >> for her. but the primary is going to be good for him. he has somebody in the left

where he can position himself. >> new york is moving though. kellyanne conway tried defending trump's decision of stripping brennan's clearance. >> he is a former cia director. and shows no interest in helping this administration further the national security. he is paying for his opinion now. and his opinion is against the interest of the administration which are serving the interest of our national security. >> criticism of brennan because the president himself as recruited. including nasa security advisor john bolton. is it so bad to be on

television, this president who did nine years of the apprentice. >> this president values what is said on cable news. and views it as something that needs to be addressed. >> sean hannity is sitting on his ear lobe. >> the president is watching the cable news and watching these people. president trump wouldn't have revoke the the security clearance. >> does he read? i know he reads the headlines. >> he cares about what is in the headlines. >> kelly anne ways great guest for years. i am not going to knock it. these people telling me something i don't know. you are watching "hardball" you can connect more deeply to the places of your past.

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let me finish tonight with yet another effort to elevate the national conversation. i started out monday praising the world war ii broadcast of the great edward l. murrow. i quoted from the no belle

speech. an example of high tone political. last night i quoted another president ronald reagan on the essential value and validity. i want to pay tribute to the pattern i saw today on the front pages of the major newspapers. all displayed glorious photographs of aretha franklin. all three put the portrait of her well above the fold. that they did so said well. it was her life that demanded the highest attention. what she did with it that put her up there just below the banner. it was her work that won this country's respect. her soul that seized this final

hour. that is "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. see you monday. "all in with chris hayes" starts now. tonight on "all in,". >> i say it. i say it again. that whole situation is a witch hunt. >> trump makes it clear his retaliation is all about russia. >> mr. mueller is conflicted. let him write his report. there is no collusion. >> tonight, what this could do to the mueller investigation. >> i think the manafort trial is sad. >> did the president just try to taint the manafort jury? >> i think it is sad to what they have done to manafort. >> bad news for president trump's desire to have a big

show. >> a great parade t