hear that. and he think it was a very good day. >> the jury has now deliberating for 23 hours and 30 minutes. >> that does it for me, i'll see you back here tomorrow morning at 11:00 eastern. "hardball" with chris matthews starts right now. >> anything but the truth. let's play "hardball." [ music playing ] good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. i hereby swear to tell the truth the whole truth and nothing but the truth. for centuries, that oath has been taken by witnesses in the court of justice and now president trump and his lawyer rudy guiliani are going after the very notion that human justice is the pursuit of that objective, of finding the truth, challenging, if there is, subt such a thing as objective truth. what matters for guiliani is to believe anything his guy says,

that guy being the president. what trump claims is what matters to the embassy. it's not about the truth. it's about guiliani and trump need to say to get them through the night. trump never stops, does he? this is sought on the very existence of truth proves it. he's gone out to trash every institution or principle to save himself from impeachment. to keep the fib football off his trail, he urged them to go easy on a possible witness and ended up firing the fbi director altogether tom keep the justice department off his back, he will again and again bully the attorney general to turn it away from him. to get a top witness from testifying against him, he's urged the jury in the paul manafort case which is still sitting to acquit him. from intimidation of the fbi and badgering the department that oversees him, donald trump and guiliani have gone down a trail of legal obstruction in broad daylight. now he's got his lawyer keeping him, donald trump from being

questioned on the grounds that truth objective truth doesn't even exist. >> i'm not going to be rushed into having him testify so that he gets trapped into perjury. when you tell me that you know he should testify because he's going to tell the truth and he shouldn't worry remember that's so silly. it's somebody's version of the truth. not the truth. he didn't have a conversation -- >> i don't mean to go -- >> no, it isn't truth. truth isn't truth. >> objective reality extended to that infamous trump tower meeting in june of 2016. >> the meeting was originally for the purpose of getting information about clinton the meeting turned into a meeting -- >> which in itself is attempted collusion. you just said it. >> no it's not. >> the meeting was intendsed to get dirt on hillary clinton from a lawyer. you just said it. >> that was the original intention, it turned out to be a meeting about another sun.

s the not pursued at all. okay, any meeting with regard to getting information on your opponent is something any candidate's staff would take. if someone said i have information about your opponent, you would take that meeting. if it happens to be from the -- >> from the russian government? >> she didn't represent the russian government. she's private citizen. i don't even knew if they knew she was russian at the time. >> that denial that had something to do with the russian government is directly contradicted by e-mails donald trump jr. received in trump tower, which he was told he would be meeting quote with a russian government attorney as a part of russia and its government support, it's all in the record. it's related in an interview with reuters, president trump echoing rudy guiliani's comments at a sit down could lead to a perjury trap saying even if i am telling the truth that makes me a liar, trump said, that's no good. what is he talking about in trump said he's chosen not to be involved in the investigation, telling white house correspondent jeff mason, i've

sided to stay out. now, i don't have to vai out. as you know, i can go in and i could, do whatever, i could rin it. trump is asserting he could run the investigation of donald trump. this is looney tunes. im i am joined by republican strategist michael schmidt, eugene robinson, and a white house correspondent for pbs news hour. why don't we go in the order of your faces there, what is rudy talking about, he could be running the investigation, himself, this is the newest as rudy guiliani denied such a thing as objective truth. rudy went i believe to the manhattan college, one thing you learn in catholic school is a lot of philosophy. lot of time trying to figure out the meaning of truth and the objective truth and a total commitment to the idea there is such a thing as truth. i'm sure owl religions believe this. certainly his did. how can rudy walk out and say there is no such thing as objective truth f. my guy says something it's just as good as

anybody else. that's what he asserted with chuck todd yesterday. your thoughts. >> it's true rudy guiliani went from a world class tleerd a second rate apalestinian tis in following donald trump that's what he is doing that will make donald trump happy. he is trying to muddy the waters. this was a career prosecutor, his career was launched being a prosecutor, rudy guiliani's to hear him say that and twist himself up and not get the facts out either because he didn't know or didn't remember, or because he chose to lie, is so disheartening, especially for me, someone who worked in the administration, someone who learned to love government because i served in his administration. he is -- he is now supporting a government that i have no respect for, meaning donald trump and his administration. >> you may peck up on this, two things here just jump at you. one is the denial of objective truth. which is the essence of everything. by the way, just to remain everybody, as if they need a message of philosophy.

if somebody tells you the movie starts at 7:00 and it start at 7:30. one person's right. if somebody says the capital of japan is something else, i don't know what. it's tokyo. there is only one right answer. there is a thing such as objective truth. if they had a tape recording they had with mueller, i'm sorry with comey about what to do with flynn, then we know the objective truth. so there is a search for it. it's not an apparent person's penalties against another. that's what rudy is now saying. >> the idea that rudy guiliani is saying truth is truth is directly related to the fact that kellyanne conway said there are alternative fact. this is an administration that wants to create its own version of truth. have millions of people believe what they tell them. as a result they're laying this -- >> why would you deny what everybody knows when they're a kid when you try not to fib when are you three-years-old, five or six at least. why would somebody say there is

no such thing as the truth or not truth in. >> if the mueller investigation says you in fact broke the law, here's the evidence. can you say their version of the truth is actually not the truth. our version of the truth, they're doing this to get ahead of any sort of indictment, criminal charges, any sort of problems that the president or the people around him might have when it comes to the legality of things. >> speaking of a crazy world, trump is saying he could run the trump investigation. >> yeah. >> he told that to reuters. what does he mean? some sweeping notion of executive power? >> well, his idea of xk testify power is he can sweep in, fire sessions, rosenstein. >> arrest omarosa. >> exactly, arrest omarosa. send people to the tomb. he can do whatever he wants. he can shut down any investigation, run it, turn it into an investigation of hillary clinton somehow and the dirty democrats, whatever. >> he says omarosa is not smart.

he's not as confident as he once was, these claims are absurd. >> he always makes outside claims. he's always done that, made outside claims on their face kind of relick discuss. it does seem to be getting worse. he seems to be bouncing off the walls. one thing we saw, smr i in rudy guiliani's remarks is how it is to keep the story toke to keep it all straight in his head, so he flat out the meeting was to get dirt on hillary, oh, was i supposed to admit that? even they didn't know that she was russian. >> we fortunately have the press. rudy's "meet the press" interview came one day after this weekend, without downu counsel don mcghan, a week-long twitter tirade. trump referred to the disgrace to discredit bob mueller and the

whole group of angry democrat thugles. he says they are looking to impact the elect. he wrote the failing "new york times" wrote a fake piece food implying white house counsel, he spells it with a c, he must be a john dean type rat. but i allowed him and all others to test i don't have to. i have nothing to hide. his participation with mueller may present a problem with mr. trump and his legal team. namely, they don't know what he told pros securities. it was a grate, it was like pulling the table off the silverware, you probably it. 30 hours of testimony. >> at least. >> trump did not know the extent of this. he thought he sees lawyers as people that fix his problems. the idea of a white house counsel is a hard one for him to understand, someone that represents the institution. >> you mean an honest guy?

>> he thought mcghan would say, mueller, here's why the president did nothing wrong as if he was a defense laws, explaining to him. i don't think he appreciated the fact na mcghan was going in -- >> as a public servant. >> to answer questions about a detailed investigation in an open ranging way. >> what does this -- we've always suggest, anybody can get in here, all the information, the thing is, we've always guessed what was in that incredible what i call the iceberg of what he knows. i mean, you guys know a lot of the big papers. he knows a lot. i'm going to sub to you on this it seems to me if he had 30 hours with the president's own lawyer sitting in the room with trump, his white house lawyer, he knows a lot to fill in the blanks here of his case against the president. >> here's something that was most remarkable about michael's reporting. the fact that you reported that don mcgman went in there with

his own lawyer and realized he did not want to be the person to be the scapegoat. >> that dove tails with sources that say people that work in the white house were very worried about what legal impact being in the presence of all this might have on them, as a result they've hired lawyers to protect themselves. so 30 hours of testimony, i have no idea what he said the idea that he knows that much and the idea that he had his own lawyer that he would be protected tells you he was worried about what he had to say. >> there were so many hours, remember the scenes of world war ii, they are point at the enemy, you got cohen talking, manafort potentially talking, flynn definitely talking. you got mcghan talking, now probably omarosa talking. all these informations coming in, trump planning to play defense. >> i think there are probably more. there are other people talking, talked to that we don't know about, probably. you know, i think one thing that mueller has, just strictly from mcghan, that he would have that

he otherwise wouldn't have in this forum is probably, surely, a detailed very accurate time line involving various decisions, meetings, conversations, that could go into an obstruction case. we don't have a sense of what he might have had to say that can go into a collusion or a conspiracy case. we don't know that there was nothing. we don't know, we don't know -- >> we heard beforehand, your thoughts about the way that the president is behaving, just the way he's behaving, flying out with this stuff like there is no such thing as truth or i could be running the investigation. it's wild. >> i think in a certain era, well, we never know much about mental conditions of anybody, maybe, you would think the guy is losing hess control of any notion of objective reality. >> i said this before, he's like

an animal backed into a corner an he's just scrapping to find out. let's not forget, we all learned this from that great reporting on saturday and yesterday. robert mueller has had this information for a much longer period of time. so who knows what he's discovered based on those interviews. and i think that's the thing that has the president really bouncing off the walls right now and just raging is that he doesn't know who to truth. he doesn't know who has spoken to mueller. now he's concerned at what level. he doesn't know who has tapes. we know that cohen, his lawyer has tapes, cohen, we know that omarosa has tapes. there was there's a lot of tames out there. that i think scares the president the missouri i think he sits there racking his brain, what have i said to whom over the last two years. >> rudy can't help with this

tape. he came one this nonsense about there is no subjective truth. tapes brought down nixon, all the arguing in the world didn't stop that, great reporting again, gene, your wisdom amazing me sometimes. anita. >> amish you are so young and brilliant. it's an amazing time. this is a crazy time to be covering a president who is acting like this guy is acting, like he doesn't want to deal with the -- new reporting on the investigation in trump's former fixer michael cohen while the jury continues delivering the fate of the former campaign chairman paul manafort. they're still meeting the jury for a third day. trump seems to be sweating the case, what's he got to be worried about? plus, sherry brown of ohio joins me for a state that went for donald trump by 8 points in 2016. how are democrats going to win back those voters in 2018, this november and next time a

question i keep asking and the rhetoric from trump world soundsdown downright or wellian, doesn't it? also, john brennan is considering taking the president to court over security clearance being revoked. finally, let me finish with the failure of the republican party to show any backbone, this is "hardball," where the action is. p s into making our thinnest longest lasting blades on the market. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close. it's about delivering a more comfortable shave every time. invented in boston, made and sold around the world. order now at gilletteondemand.com. gillette. the best a man can get. here's something you should know. there's a serious virus out there that 1 in 30 boomers has, yet most don't even know it. a virus that's been almost forgotten.

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president seems to be worried about potential legal threats from two former employees. first the "new york times" reports the president's former attorney, there he is, personal fixer, michael cohen is under investigation now for potential tax and bank fraud surrounding more than $20 million in loans obtained by taxi businesses he and his family owned. federal prosecutors are looking to whether cohen violated cane finance laws to hush money to women who said they had affairs with trump, convincingly, i must say the "new york times" reports cohen has hinted publicly and has stated explicitly and in private that he is eager to tell prosecutor what is he knows in exchange for leniency. this comes as a jury in alexandria, virginia, he is facing charges of bank and tax fraud. both cohen and manafort have insider knowledge of trump campaigns and his operation. it could be valuable the special

counsel, if they were to cooperate to get some time off. i am joined by a former prosecutor and a former u.s. attorney, thank you all. you all have been thinking about this case as we have been covering it. i want to go to cynthia, then to barry. when you look atcoen, the guy is not a nice guy, he comes across as sympathetic. he's sad, he's going down. if you are an attorney, are you thinking of a partner, copping a plea to mueller? he has these huge charges in terms of bank fraud and failure honestly to pay taxes and to report campaign expenditures the whole bang? >> he's going to have to make a deal. he has nowhere else to go. he's pushed himself away from trump. he doesn't have the same flexible, trump can't pardon him. he potentially has state charges. i'll tell you what he's got that manafort doesn't have. he has relationships and deals with trump's kids. he can, if he can give the

prosecutor something on trump's kids, now you've got a pressure point that is very different from what manafort can do. >> that is pressure on the president? >> yeah. >> do you share the last thing he wants to come into the presidents is, run, serve for a year and bottom lean in family terms put his kids in jail? >> he's not going to put his kids if jail. that's the only redeeming quality of the guy. >> he would give up the presidency to free them? >> yes. >> is that a deal you can make? >> i don't know, it depends on what he's done. >> can you cut a law saying,oi know a guy you could promise never to run or office people resign, the prosecutions are dropped. >> mueller can make whatever deal he wants. he has a lot of power. >> you are walk, you give up the presidency? maybe. but that's what's different about cohen and somebody else. >> let's talk about manafort. barry, manafort is looking at huge time. which don't know what that jury

is up to. i'm shooir sure, i'm not a laws, i said eight million times, you think, are you representing manafort, but he's facing serious time. if he does get a hung jury, how does that change thing? because they're three days in now. >> first of all i don't think being three days in is a critical amount of time this jury has been asked to review a lot of complex tax information. they've probably never heard of banking laws dealing with foreign banking entities. i would say they're doing a good job as far as weeding through the various accounts, matching up the evidence with each count. if we are still talking like this a week from now, i think mr. manafort should be happy. because that means somebody is holding out. but i've got a feeling within the next couple of day, we'll have a verdict. >> do you think that judge has been fair and not helping them wade through all this paper? they've got all these exhibit, they have to cross walk those

exhibits to the charges and see where the evidence is and where it applies. he says i'm not going to help with that. that puts a strain on regular jurors to figure this out. >> it really does. lawyers are there, they're basically teaching the jury what this case is about f. your teaching memories mechanisms are away from you. you it only harms the case. >> do you think it's been fair? i watched this judge constantly put his finger on the scale to help the defendant. >> well, they're so obsessed in alexandria, getting through quickly, quickly. >> one day of picking a whole jury? >> well the voir dire i'm not as concerned about. they could not publish the exhibits to the jury, so now the jury is totally confused about what exhibits go with what. they didn't see them for the first time. it's a problem. >> it's a problem for trump, manafort or cohen? >> cohen. >> barry, biggest threat? . >> i would say cohen, absolutely. cohen was his personal lawyer

for all those years leading up to the administration. so if there is any dirt out there, many cohen has been involved in it. >> well said, thank you. i see a lot of salients in this war against trump facing into him now. up next, the work for democrats to when back voters. pivotal state for ohio went for trump by eight points in 2016. will voters stick with trump's think something this is "hardball" where the action is. oh! oh! ♪ ozempic®! ♪

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welcome back to "hardball." on friday president trump is set to make yet another trip to ohio. it's a state that voted for him if 2008, actually voted for obama if 2008 and 2012 and swung dramatically to trump in 2016. he boat hillary clinton by eight points. the candidate jim menacy, he was challenging schaar odd brown. brown -- sherrod brown. first elected in 2006, brown has been a working advocate for the working family, since then, he writes, we need to reset the conversation to focus on our great st asset, the american worker. one place we can start is by unraveling the disastrous tax

plan. well senator brown i always said you were the best nationally. let's talk about ohio. trump ran on appealing things, i didn't vote for him. i don't think you did. >> that's an assumption. >> he was against the iraq war. he was going to build infrastructure and low wage families. what happened. he promised all this good stuff. >> i think ohioans, a lot of hard working ohioans believe walk has forgotten them. they've seen these trade agreements and shut down productions in mansfield and toledo and moved to beijing and renosa, mexico. they don't see their children having a better material life than they are. they rolled the dice. they see no infrastructure plan the tax bill overwhelmingly helps the rich. if you are manufacturing in youngstown, you pay 21% corporate tax rate. gm does, if they move that plan to the mexico, they pay 10.5%. so government gives them a 50%

off coupon on their taxes. >> he made a specific promise, he was going to rebuild penn station in new york to california. he was going to rebuild this country. instead he gave the tax cuts to the rich. here's your ad, i think it tells the democratic story, not just in your state, let's watch. >> there is dignity in work. whether you check minimum wage, punch a clock or earn a salary, your hard labor should pay off. in fair wages and benefits. affordable health care, in overtime pay when you earn it, because patriotism demands investing in american workers. if you love this country, you fight for the people who make it work. >> so the democrats have always been since i was a kid back in the days of at laid stephenson, hubert humphrey, jack kennedy, of course, for the working family. trump comes on and steals your lunch. what happened? >> i think democrats have not talked about fighting for the

little guy. >> too free trade? >> the party has been too free trade but the republicans have been more free trade. that's our problem to show where we are and fight for workers. but i don't think the voters necessarily think what we should be thinking. that is you fight for the little guy, whether she punches a color whether he works in a diner, whether he works in construction or manufacturing or in a nursing home. we don't as a party, we've got to show we're fighting for the little guy. we don't do that enough. what's the that ad is about the dignity of work, respecting all work no, matter what you earn, no matter where you work the dignity of work is what drives this country and gives people a decent standard of living. we've too often morgan that. >> i hear it from you and bobby macy the people from that part of the country. i grew up in pennsylvania, actually, philadelphia, it isn't exactly pennsylvania. all across that area. >> that is the ground for 2020 as well. you got to win that back? >> sure, it is, we can win the

popular vote by 5 million we have to win pennsylvania, ohio, wisconsin and michigan. it is about talking to workers the dignity of work. showing the voters, you know, i don't talk about clinton voters and trump voters. i don't talk about black or white or latino workers. i talk about workers. i think that's how you pull people toke. >> democrats used to be -- bill clinton was really good at this. he used to say work hard and play by the rules. >> that set a message. i'm not for welfare, i'm for work, get a break. i'm for making abortion, safe, legal and rare. that appeal seemed to get to the earn contract of the country politically. talking to people where they're at. >> you want to, when you mentioned that tax bill at the beginning how it really is a give away to the rich instead of building infrastructure him i said to president at the white house with a group of senators, look at my patriot corporation act. it says if a company pays decent wage, provides good benefits,

makes in the united states, suits made by union workers ten miles from my house. if you do that, then you get a lower tax rate. >> that itself the kind of government people in ohio want. a government that's responsive to workers. >> that helps our country. that brings prosperity to our communities. >> let me ask you about this supreme court thing coming up. you are a senator you met with cavanaugh, there he is. brett kavanaugh. what do you make of the cut of his jib, what are you worried about him? thinking about him? >> i talked to him about worker rights and women's health and i talked to him about the cfpb and health care. >> is he in a bag with the corporate world? >> he says he isn't. but i think his history has shown that. there is a reason the president appointed him. they nominated him. 5 million people in my state have a pre-existing condition. 5 million people. if the narrativethon court nomination is that he will repeal the affordable care act and take away that consumer

protection, he can go down, over kwoem we wellingly people care about pre existing condition. >> i think health care is one of the big things the federal counsel are doing something about. they can look out for your health care, pre existing condition. can we save obamacare without the individual mandate. will it last? >> yes, congress will make allowances if they win next year. it's hard. clearly the republicans have it lined up to eliminate pre existing. >> people love medicare. they love social security a lot. they like medicaid for people that need it, like long-term care. >> trump promised not to raise the eligibility age for medicare social security to pay for the tax cuts, they've started to think about raising the eligibility age. >> they keep fightbling -- fighting, senator. >> if i can go to share that ad

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welcome back to "hardball." president trump and his closest aids have repeatedly told his supporters to believe trump and only trump, their rhetoric downright orwellian includes dismissing now the very idea of facts. fact. let's watch. >> when you tell me that he should testify because he's going to tell the truth. he shouldn't worry. that's so sillily. because it's somebody's version of the truth. not the truth. he didn't have a conversation about -- >> certainly, i don't mean to go. >> no, it isn't truth, truth isn't truth. >> i believe we have to be

honest with the american people, sometimes you have tosif agree with the facts. >> they're saying it's a falsehood, sean spires gave alternative facts to that. >> don't believe these people the fake news. just remember what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's happening. >> let's bring in the "hardball" rounds table the political reporter for "the guardian." the white house reporter for the "daily beast." howard fineman, i want to start right down the line there. what do you make of a guy that when to the college, studied floevgs actually whphilosophy, studied in manhattan. he asked truth and reality. now he's denying it. anything under oath in the truth isn't the truth, alternative fact. this russia cloud has been hovg over the trump presidency. his team is trying to discredit

the entire mueller proevenl look at his presidency, there is little to show by legislative accomplishments, they're trying to harden his support in the base. the way he does that is creating an alternative narrative. he tries to undermine the media. >> this is deeper. it's one thing to say to the "new york times" missed it on the front page. that's an architect you can made. you can't say there is no such thing as the truth there can be on the front page. you can't say two and two are four. there are facts we live with him they're denying that. he's saying whatever my account is. you can have ank. they're equal? well, team trump as a whole an certainly the president of the united states has a horrifically grotesque record with fact and truth. i might be the dissenting voice on this panel. i didn't hear rudy guiliani literally saying the truth is literally not the truth. i heard him make a sloppy legal argument regarding parallel

narratives. >> that's not what he said. >> well, i mean. >> he didn't say he had different accounts, the truth is not a truth the he denied the existence of truth. >> that's right. there certainly wouldn't be a first time. >> howard, if there were a tape recording of meanings between comey and trump or meanings between whoever at the trump tower, we would have pretty much the objective truth. >> chris, we have a legal system not because we don't think truth exists but because we think that sometimes it's hard ascertain. that's what you have evidence for. and as a matter of fact, he made many factual mistakes elsewhere in that interview with chuck todd. but let's leave that aside, his big point, rudy's big point and the president's big.is the to undercut the very idea of facts and truth in politics. think of rudy who is from new york, from gotham is like the joker in that his objective is

to undermine any sense of order or fact in the city. he's undermining every institution he can get his hands on. now, donald trump not being a lawyer, donald trump can't go after the legal system the way at least if theory rudy can. rudy was a u.s. attorney. rudy in theory was a law enforcement he's not a lawyer anymore. he's a joker in the legal system. >> i'd be along those lines, i think he wants to confuse and make sure nobody has a clear head when they hear the arguments. >> they want to muddy the waters. there has been a clear and consistent attempt by the president and his legal team to erode trust in our institutions. you've seen that with the trump administration as well. they want the public to already have a pre conceived notion this investigation was tainted when there is no evidence to support the fact that it is. >> here we have somebody else to bring information, former white house aid omarosa newman is ratcheting up her criticism, particularly on the race issue.

talking with my colleague reverend al sharpton, omarosa accused trump of being a racist, himself, in her penalties, he is unfit to serve as president of the united states. here he is. >> donald trump is disingenuous about his engagement and his outreach. in fact, i believe he wants to start a race war in this country. >> well. >> i mean, if that's the case, that's her penalties now, omarosa spent years both as donald trump the candidate and donald trump leader of the free world helping him to start a race war. i mean, it's team trump is not wrong objectively when they say that omarosa is incredibly lacking credibility. >> she has tapes. >> yes, but that's different from the narrative she's trying to president out now. >> try to put out the argument trump has not tried to divide this country racially and ethnically. >> i'm not making that argument. what i'm saying is omarosa is

not a reliable nar ratering up until the moment she was oust fareed the white house, according to people in and outside the administration with every breath she had, she was a friend. >> michael cohen when he is pressed enough. we shouldn't listen to flynn. these guys all rat out. >> it's almost as if donald trump deliberately surrounded himself over the years. >> with incredible people. >> with uncredibly untrust worthy people. so when they turn on him, everybody will say, they don't have any credibility. frankly, there's very few people around donald trump these days who do have credibility. >> sure, numerous people who are better equipped to make the race argument against donald trump. >> these are the exceptions, which is good. which is good. >> steve leishman said look how mcghan tells the truth. anyway, former cia director john brennan, today, he's considering taking donald trump to court after the president revoked his

security clearance last week. let's watch. >> i have been contacted about a number of lawyers. they have given the can complaint and injunction to try to prevent him from doing this in the future. if my clearances and my reputation as i'm being pulled through the mud now, if that's the price to pay to prevent donald trump from doing this against other people to me it's a small price to pay. so i am going to do whatever i can personally to try to prevent these abuses in the future. if it means going to court,ly do that. >> well, over 175 foreman and actual former security clearances were released for personal reasons. trump tweeted. i hope john brennan, the worst cia director in our country's history brings a lawsuit. this is street corner stuff. >> can we take a step back, john brennan and clapper have sern

served democratic and republican administrations alike. they have decades worth of service. president versus come and gone. they have never been so outspoken in their criticism of anyone. the idea that they are being partisan, ignored. >> what's the bottom line these people that serve the country have a problem with trump? >> they do. they have been fairly opened they think there is a unique threat he poses to this democracy and our institutions and they have been outpane about the question of russia interference and the president's undermining that investigation. >> that's when he character assassinates so many institutions in a year-and-a-half. he's going after the fbi, he's discredited the cia the intelligence community. it's unlimited. he doesn't seem to care about these institutions, they know it. they don't leak it. >> he's going after the self centered in a selfish way. he's not coming at these institutions by the cia and fbi, where there is room for good, accurate, many up needed aggressive critique in terms of

their abuses. he is doing it, because james comey was mean to me. >> here's somebody independent of the president, first lady melania trump spoke as a part of her anti-bullying campaign. let's watch her. >> in today's global society, social media is an inventible part of our children's daily lives. it can be used in many positive ways, but can also be distractive and harmful when used incorrectly. let's face it. most children are more aware of the benefits and pitfalls of social media than some adults. but we still need to do all we can to provide them with information and tools for successful and safe online habits. >> according to "new york times," president trump, himself, has suggested mrs. trump choose a different topic to avoid questions about how the wife of a notorious twitter bully could lead a campaign to

spotlight anti-bullying. in response to questions over the disconnect between trump's tweets and the first lady's initiative today, her spokes woman said in a statement today, she is aware of the criticism, but it will not deter her from doing what she feels is right the president is proud of her commitment to children and encourages her in all that she does. howard what do you make of all this? >> well, first of all, i think blinker naivete, is better than outright corruption. i think do a degree she is enabling donald trump or other people can use her to enable donald trump. after all, donald trump is the biggest most powerful cyber bully in the history of the planet. hose president of the united states, by any measure, whoever he decides to attack on twitter, he's bullying. and this is something that he

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sometimes within a matter of a couple of days. >> i saw last week when i reported at the daily beast.com president trump in early 2017 had a pretty tense meeting with veteran's groups advocates in the reese velt room. he got into an argument about agent orange and something on the cutting room was only ross sa was also in the room and the start of it, when the president started to get annoyed at the pace of the press, he said, omarosa, handle it like you handled it on "the a(tapprentic" >> good daniel baldwin. >> my sources in kentucky write started out as a reporter and still remain and have close tigris amy mcgrath the democrat in the blue grass is district. a marine fighter who flewine missions has a very good chance to take that seat. >> is that a red seat? >> that is a red seat held aandy

barr. she has a good chance the republicans are worried remember do they bring donald trump in or not? >> that's a tough question, house seats. when we return, let me start with the failure and i mean it of the republican party to stand up to trump. you are watching "hardball." ♪

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when we finish tonight with the failure of the republican party, we've all enjoyed that old line about how democrats fall in love with their heroes,

republicans simply fall in line. that line is getting scary. it's not that republicans have fallen in love with this president, they're simply riding out the wave. why do they have to bow to him pathetically, why do they go with him, calling womendoll, traili dogs, like this man is worthy of respect. the fact is they know better. i know they do. they would try to exterminate a democrat. we know that. they know that. i doubt this will do much good. let us all remain us about republicans going along with republican, going along with trump too consider the story of the snake. remember that? that's trump's favorite story. you take a snake home. he bites and kims you. you knew it was a snake. it's all your fault. mr. republican, we knew that trump was leak that when you brought him home and you were a republican party. you got all the sign, all the warnings ability trump. yet you made him at home in the party of lincoln and teddy

roosevelt. yes, barry goldman and john mccain. let's be real, trump is trump. he was trump. he will be trump. it's the republican party that's changed so he'd feel at home. pretty at the awful. that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> we have a good sense obviously of what mr. mcghan testified to i can figure it out. >> the president is worried he's got a rat in the white house. >> do you intend to communicate with the special counsel, mr. mcghan in. >> tonight the white house testimony to the mueller probe and the furious reaction from donald trump. then -- >> i always liked michael. >> the president's former fixer michael cohen nation potential criminal charges on bank fraud. >> he'll lie like crazy, he's lied all his life. >> the manafort jury back to