will they be patient? >> yeah. there was a long period of time in which the solid south exerted a kind of geographical veto on much of the country's politics, which brought some very severe and significant problems in the long run throughout the country. that's it for me. hello rachel. >> did you have a good time? >> i had an amazing time and it is great to be back. >> you look attended, rested and ready, my friend. thanks at home for joining thus monday. happy to have you here. it has been a rollicking day and a rollicking few days of news. particularly when it comes to all the scandal stuff. the still unspooling scandal around this president. the one that appears to be getting him a little more wound one each passing day if his

comments are anything to go by. the "new york times" reported that the serving white house counsel don mcgahn has done more than 30 hours of voluntary interviews with the special counsel robert mueller and his team of prosecutors. shortly there after we got new reporting from the "times" about the president's personal lawyer being sqozed, for look of a better term. the "wall street journal" is first on the story as they have bone the criminal intrigue surrounding president trump's long time lawyer michael cohen from the very beginning. but following the initial reporting a couple weeks ago that the potential charges michael cohen might be facing, now "the new york times" as of yesterday and the associated press as of today, who have both match that had story. so the "wall street journal" and the ap and "the new york times," all now reporting that michael cohen's legal vulnerability may be at least in part rehated to

tens of millions potentially fraud lend bank loans, and also campaign finance violations related to his payoffs. to at least a couple. despite all that good reporting on michael cohen, we have three big news outlets all nafg same basic substance about what michael cohen might be charged with. despite all that good reporting i remain convince that the only way we'll ever be sure michael cohen is being criminally charged is that eventually we're going to see michael cohen being arrested and we'll be able to read the indictment. which lists criminal indictment against him. until we can read the document. until we get confirmation from prosecutors, i sort of feel like i won't believe any of it.

there's so much spend being spun on the elements of this entire scandal surrounding the president. the michael cohen part of it is i think the worst in terms of the ratio between real information that we can publicly check and the noise and spin that might have nothing to do with real facts. there's just a lot of bla bla bla about michael cohen and very little publicly checkable information that we can balance it against. to that end, i think there's one big red flag in the reason factual record about what is going on with michael cohen that we should take note of. how that might relate to the legal jeopardy of the president. there's been so much ink spill, so much hot air blown over the last couple days, and frankly weeks when it comes to cohen. there's so much noise about it. they're both potentially

interesting, right? lawyers getting lawyers is one thing. lawyers becoming corroborating witnesses is an even bigger thing. i think there are steps we should take to avoid being spun or misled on both those stories. so we'll get to some of that ahead tonight. i feel like, when you see a story about mcgahn or cohen coming down the pike, unless it has publicly verifiable information, tread lightly. don't go too fast around this corner. this may be someone trying to trip you up. there have been a bunch of new developments today and into this evening including one that reflights this guy. remember this guy? he is the one person who has gone to prison already. actually served his custodial sentence in the russia scandal. his name is alex van der zwan.

he laid to investigators about his role in one of paul manafort's foreign lobbying gigs. it has always been possible there was a big biographical coincidence about him. it is totally possible it's a coincidence. but one of the more intriguing details about him, who has served his time in prison. we think he's left the country since serving his anaheim priti prison. it has been fascinating to know that his father-in-law is a russian oligarch close to vladimir putin who turns up in the christopher steel dossier. he is married to the daughter of this man, herman khan, one of three wealthy russians who control a banking empire called alpha bank. it has popped up in a couple of different ways.

there were reports about some kind of computers. it was associated with the trump organization. why was the alfa bank talking to the server? we don't know what that was about. that saga has stayed in the news though in part because alfa bank ended up hiring an american law firm to clean up its reputation around that story. around the unexplained communications between servers in moscow and the trump organization. the lawyer who they ended up hiring to clean up that story, to clean up the pr mess. to declare the company innocent of any nefarious things during campaign was an american lawyer. a republican lawyer named brian bench cowsky. the reason it is still rattling

around in the news in the russia scandal is because the trump administration decided they would hire that same guy to run the criminal division at the u.s. department of justice. so alfa bank has its own special role on that side of the intrigue. we still don't know what all the computer communications were about. we don't know if it is a coincidence that alfa bank's lawyer ends up at the justice department in one most senior positions in the entire agencies. alfa bank appears in the research memos on the trump campaign and russia which have collectively become known as the steel dossier. in april of this year, herman khan, alex van der zwaan's father-in-law, brought a

defamation lawsuit against christopher steel and the intelligence firm. the dossier didn't really say anything all that damning about alpha bank. it described herman khan. he described them as having a close relationship with putin. they said significant favors continue to be done in both directions. still giving -- still giving informal advice to putin. especially on the u.s. so that's what's in the steel dossier. they could each other favors. further, they maybe funneled money to putin in his st. petersburg days. this is not the world's most salacious stuff.

but it has tina life of its own. republicans in congress, president trump, the white house more broadly, they have spent months trying to turn the steel dossier itself boo a huge scandal. it is against one serving justice department official. because bruce ohr's wife worked at fusion gps. mr. ohr appears to have contact himself with christopher steel during the campaign. so house republicans have gone along with the attacks on the dossier, the attacks on anybody associated with the dossier, and they are now going i know what the attacks on the justice department official who the justice department has singled out as being connected to the dossier. house republicans have summoned bruce ohr. they threatened a subpoena but

he will appear voluntarily. so there is been all this drama around the steele dossier. the other threatening action related to the steele dossier has been lawsuits. these lawsuits, like the one, filed by herman khan. today a judge dismissed the defamation lawsuits against christopher steele and orbis business intelligence. it was dismissed with prejudice which means the plaintiffs cannot bring it up again. so alpha bank. we still don't know if there was anything operational when it came to efforts to interfere in the 2016 election or any potential trump campaign involvement in that effort. we've seen no firm evidence but lots of suggestions about that possibility. we still don't know if it is

just a coincidence. we still don't know if there's anything shady about the fact brian, hired by alpha bank to get them out of that russia related scandal ends up in a senior position at the u.s. justice department. but at least we do have this one conclusive statement today. the effort to sue, to make their connection to the steele dossier go away. today that lawsuit failed in a way that seems quite definitive. >> the next person to go to prison in the trump scandal might be george papadopoulos. late friday we learned the special counsel recommended to the judge in this case that george papadopoulos should serve up to six months in prison. the actual recommendation range it was zero to six months in prison. the great lynn sweet at the "chicago sun times" report that

george papadopoulos's lawyers intend to ask the judge in this case for zero jail time. the formal response to the sentencing recommendation is due at the end of next week. when you look at the sentencing recommendation for george papadopoulos from the special counsel's office, from the prosecutors, it was really not good for him. aside from the range of potential prison time they are suggesting, the way they describe papadopoulos's behavior is not complimentary to him. the prosecutors told the court, the plea agreement entered into was not a standard cooperation agreement. prosecutors merely agreed to bring to the court's attention at sentencing the defendant's efforts to cooperate with the government. what prosecutors ended up bringing to the court's attention at sentencing was ten-page long list of ways in which george papadopoulos didn't

help them out at all. quote, the defendant did not provide substantial assistance. the prosecutors later said that he lied over and over again in ways that materially hurt the government's case. quote, the defendant's crime was serious, both in terms of the underlying conduct and its effect on the investigation. the defendant knew the questions he was asked by the fbi were important and he knew his answers were false at the time he gave them. his lies negatively affected fbi's russia investigation and prevented the fbi from effectively identifying and confronting witnesses in a timely fashion. they were not momentary lapses. he lied repeatedly over the course of more than two hours. the sentence imposed should reflect lying to federal investigators has real consequences. especially where the defendant lied to investigators about critical facts and an investigation of national importance. after having been explicitly warned that lying to the fbi is a federal offense.

the nature and circumstances of the offense warrant a sentence of incarceration. so a couple things to watch. number one, this is the government emphatically saying, george papadopoulos should do jail time. according to lynn sweet's report, they said he shouldn't do any jail time at all. but reference there that i read from the sentencing recommendation, there part here. the plea agreement sweer into was not a standard cooperation agreement. that raises the possibility george papadopoulos may have some ongoing criminal liability here. this is not a recommendation that says, you know, listen, judge, our deal has been upheld on both sides. this guy was really helpful to us. not that. they're saying he didn't help us

and he lied. this was not a formal agreement. we said we told the judge, if he helped us when it came time. they're saying, no, he didn't help us. the prospect of additional criminal liability. some indictment, some new indictment in the future. now that we know the government says he wasn't an earnest cooperator, that now looms over this little part of this case. and the sense that there is something important unresolved and it comes to george papadopoulos was helped along by this public statement that he made today on twitter. 4:00 this afternoon. i'll quote it directly. quote, been a hell of a year. decisions. as a point of fact i'm not sure how many decisions he has to make. we'll get some expert advice on that in a moment. the last set of developments in today's news related to the

scandal. centered around the campaign chairman, paul manafort, who incidentally, has a notable new neighbor. as of this weekend. in a move that was described as surprise to all involved friday night, look who moved in. accused russian foreign agent maria butina. on friday night was moved from the jail in d.c. where she was arrested in july. they took her out of that jail friday night and brought her over to where paul manafort lives now which is the federal lockup in xanld rhea, virginia. the reason we have this unflattering picture of her is because i think she's been moved to that new facility in virginia. you see the alexandria sheriff's office. i think we get mug shots from that facility. she hasn't been convicted of anything. she's being held in jail before her trial because prosecutors

thought she would be a flight risk. basically, they argued to the judge that the russians would spirit her out of the country before she cover face charges if the judge left her out on the street. that's why she has not been let out on the street. but now for whatever reason, they have moved her from one lockup. that means she's only about two blocks away from where paul manafort's trial has been underway in virginia. that's not the courthouse where she'll be tried. she'll be tried in washington, d.c. we know it is not unheard of for people waiting to end up in this jail. and it is surprising that nobody knows why she was moved. according to her lawyer, neither she nor her lawyer had any notice before it happened 40 night. her attorney said, i got a

collect call. he visited her this morning. she was not in, i am still unaware of the reason. we contacted him today to see if he had learned today why his client was moved from d.c. to virginia. he told us, quote, no news. i have no answers yet. you can ask the marshals service. it is their call. we did ask the marshals service and they didn't call us back. surprise! there's no reason to think that they'll have contact with each other while they're in the same jail but it is weird that they are now both in the same jail. we are expecting to get prosecutors' list of evidence that they planned to use against

manafort in his next criminal trial due to start next month in federal court in d.c. the evidence list has been described as containing over 1,000 items. the deadline for the list is to be made public, is that it should be made public tomorrow. that should be a big long list. it should be a very interesting window into what paul manafort's next prosecution might look like. and meanwhile, we're still waiting on the jury and his first felony trial. the jury considering manafort's fate in virginia, they deliberated all day thursday, they deliberated all day friday. the judge sent them home over the week. they've deliberated all day today. at 4:49 today, the judge announced the jury would stay late. last week they broke at 5:00. today, they asked to deliberate until later. until at least 6:15 p.m.

maybe they might be planning to release a verdict on manafort tonight. that turned out not to be the case. the court reconvened after 6:00 and many the judge announced, once again no verdict. they will come back tomorrow to start deliberating again at 9:30 in the morning. so two questions. with a jury deliberating over the course of nine hours today and 24 hours in total. is that starting to feel like a long time some is that a long deliberation and does it mean anything? if you're an attorney, they go through these long stretches. do you find it to be heartening or disheartening or do we just not know? second question. last question. is it a little weird that the

jury is like on the loose? out in the wild? not sequestered? they're just sent home every night. they're sent home the whole weekend. the judge himself has suggested that jurors might reasonably be afraid for their own safety in this case. he stated that he's received threats in conjunction with this case. he cited the threats in conjunction with not releasing the names. and they are freely mingling with reporters and anybody else who has business at the xanld rhea federal courthouse. meanwhile, with these jurors, sort of on the loose despite that the judge is talking about potential danger they might be in, the judge has been admonishing them every day that they shouldn't consume any media about the case.

this is unusual. there's a certain amount of pressure in this case on, which these jurors are deliberating. the president of the united states has repeatedly made public statements praising the defendant. saying the defendant is being mistreated. calling his prosecution sad. and on the other side, every day, and sometimes two, three, four, six times a day, the president makes public statements in writing and out loud denouncing the prosecution in this case. he's been praising the defendant, paul manafort, and he's been denouncing the prosecution. the special counsel's office. the president daily renounces them. it might be difficult for jurors to avoid seeing any mention of the fact. that the president has been calling the prosecutors in this case, quote, a national disgrace. saying this is a rigged investigation. the president deriding robert

mueller and the special counsel's office. presidents in the past have avoided weighing in on criminal cases so as to avoid the appearance in a penning case. with this president it is totally the obvious. he is absolutely trying to influence the case. and i know it is rare to sequester a jury, to put a jury in a hotel and not give them any contact with their homes or the outside world until later. but the president of the united states is directing at this case on a daily basis, clearly trying to influence the verdict of the jury. is this one of those cases where the jury should have been sequestered? joining us now, barbara mcquaid thank you so much.

nice to see you. >> my pleasure to see you. >> it is my impression as i rare thing for a jury to be sequestered but judges do sometimes order it, and particularly high profile cases or when there's a particularly high prediction jurors under normal circumstances won't be able to have avoid media exposure or pressure on their verdict. is that basically true? >> yeah. it is very rare that a jury would be sequestered. i've never seen in it federal court. i know it has happened in some high profile cases. i think the bill cosby case was one, o.j. simpson, casey anthony, george zimmerman. so a few high profile cases. but i know one difference is that they're not televised. so you're not likely to see

television coverage. so another reason is you dome want to put pressure on jurors to get done and get on with their lives and sequestration to cause them to be hasty in their decision. aside from that, expense. i've never seen it done in federal court. >> in terms of the president's remarks in this case, i see his remarks being so starkly positive toward the defendant, unfair prosecution of the defendant, and his withering attacks, even in personal terms against the president. would that, what can the judge do to protect them? >> the judge does give that instruction. a standard instruction. when i was in court he gave that instruction every day. not to read anything in the media. to discuss the case.

there's case law that says jurors are presumed to have followed their instructions unless you can show otherwise. so people expect that juries will follow that advice. there are four alternates in this case so if someone were to come in and say, i was at home and i overheard this on the television. or someone blurted this out or someone told me trump said these things. they could be replaced with alternate. but i think the judge would ask you, do you think you could set it aside, i think most people would say yes, i can set them aside. so certainly they're highly inflammatory and highly irregular that we would see something like this. prosecutors are ethically bound not to speak with the guilt because an authority figure

could have an influence on the outcome. so it is very shocking that a president would make comments like this. >> and what do you lethink? >> the longer it is, the more likely there is a hung juror or a not guilty. i don't think we've gone on that long yet. they say bits a day of dleb rags for every week of testimony. in this case, i would think with the complexity they did not always display the documents. he would say they can look at that later is causing lengthier deliberations. he speeded up the trial but i think the cost for that is lengthier deliberations, while they go back and review all the documents. so i'm not concerned yet. >> and we all end up on the edge

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"the new york times" is reporting that the ongoing investigation regarding michael cohen is zeroing in on potential bank fraud involving michael cohen's involvement in the taxi business. also campaign finance loans in the payoffs that he helped arrange to at least two women who said they had sexual relationships with the president. this follows same contours of what was reported a couple weeks ago by the "wall street journal." now "the new york times" has the story, too, as does the associated press. all of these stories have the same basic contours. and none of that is the same as us seeing a real live indictment. but it does at least mean there's a big pile of credible corroborating reporting that all lays out the same potential charges against cohen. if it is true about what michael cohen will be charged with, then

first question is, oh, yeah? show me. when is this going to happen? second question is, is michael cohen talking with prosecutors about a potential cooperation deal to lessen his legal jeopardy to help prosecutors with information that they could use in other cases? that's what everybody is watching. i'm not going to give you, we're chasing that story as hard as everybody is. everybody is chasing the same story. that potential drama of the president's white house counsel don mcgahn and his personal lawyer michael cohen, not just getting lawyers themselves but potentially enthusiastic witnesses in cases involving the president? yeah. there's a reason everybody is chasing this story so hard. but here is something specific to consider. late last week, there document was filed in federal court in

manhattan. just two pages. from the special master who was hired by the court to review evidence that was seized from michael cohen's home. his home and his office and his hotel newsroom april. the special master was appointed by the court to check all the documents that were seized to make sure they were not covered by attorney-client privilege. and if they were not, then he would hand them over to special prosecutors to review for charges against michael cohen. well, in this last little filing, from the special master late last week, the special master, this retired judge, gives a final accounting of just how many documents and files she found to be covered by attorney-client privilege. bottom line is not many. a found thousand out of millions of documents taken. but look at this. special master also says, there was one thing that i couldn't ever review. i could never look the see wlor

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this era in d.c. has been marked by many mysteries. not chief among those but maybe deputy chief among mysteries, how come white house counsel don mcgahn is so good at playing the hero in the press? how come he is so good at getting a heroic look at his stoic forebaerns into the papers? how has he managed to get so many stories into the newspapers in which he alone, he bravely is secretly the real american hero? don mcigan is reported to have been the one who calmed the president down after rob mueller was appointed. so the president didn't do something truly crazy. don mcgahn has threatened to resign rather than fire robert mueller, which the president had ordered him to do.

do you think the white house weirdly mishandled the firing of mike flynn after they were warned? no, no. he didn't mismanage anything. he reportedly warned the white house about the lying of michael flynn right away. he was right on top of it. don mcigan shows up in the press as hanging in there through the chaos, self-lessly pulling back from quitting, hanging in there to take care of the country's needs despite really being pushed around by the president in an unfair way. i don't know who one day will pay the part familiar with his thinking when the movie is made of all this but the role is getting larger every day. this tweaked "times" reported that don mcgahn has cooperated extensive when i the robert mueller inquiry. he sat with investigators over 30 hours in the last nine months. he laid out how the president

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last april by richard nixon told the senate watergate committee today that the president was involved in watergate wrongdoing and having accused the president, dean said he hopes mr. nixon will be forgiven. that's how dean began his testimony today. >> it is my honest belief that while the president was involved, that he did not realize or appreciate at any time the implications of his involvement. and i think that when the facts come out, i hope the president is forgiven. >> john dean followed that assertion with a 245 page statement that took all day to read, crammed with quotes, dates, memoranda and detailed recollections of talks with the president. >> a 245 page statement that he read outloud. nixon's white house counsel john dean had decided early on in the watergate scandal that nixon was going to try to make him the

scapegoat. once he figured that out, he made 180 degree turn. he went straight to federal prosecutors. he told them he would cooperate with them fully. by the time nixon fired john dean from the white house counsel's job, dean had already for weeks been helping prosecutors on watergate. so with this new reporting over the past couple of days that the current white house counsel has spoken for 30 hours with special counsel robert mueller, the president now is literally launching a new attack on john dean saying that dean was a rat for testifying against nixon back in the day. but the current white house counsel john mcgahn is in here of dean's legacy. he says he's determined to not

have john dean's fate. he was prohibited from practi practicing law. that is what compelled him to cooperate with robert mueller. that's become the blueprint for this dynamic we have been watching unfold. is the white house counsel right to worry about john dean's fate? will testifying now help him avoid that fate? and is the president right to be concerned about rats? joining us now the nbc news presidential historian. it is great to have you with us tonight? >> thanks, rachel. good to see you. >> the president today called john dean a rat. when dean came forward in 1973, what did nixon supporters do in response? how was he treated at the time? >> well, when he testified before the senate, as you were just showing and said that nixon was central to the coverup, a lot of nixon people were very angry.

but what amazes me, rachel, is that if we were to talk to any president from gerald ford all the way through barack obama and say what do you think of john dean? they would have said a flawed person but ultimately a hero of watergate because he helped to expose richard nixon. this is another sign of this weird time we're living through that the current president, donald trump, was use a word like rat. >> one of the things we're watching unspool now in this story is that nobody is quite sure whether or not don mcgahn acted heroically or whether he had to talk to the special counsel. did john dean at white house counsel have a choice in terms of whether he was going to cop wop rate? he worried he was going to get blamed and this was his effort to get out ahead of it. but how much of a choice did he have? >> in the end probably not much. you were so right tonight to say

be very kcautious about what we're hearing from the outside. in dean's case he knew he was central to the coverup. he knew nixon was trying to make him the scapegoat and blame watergate on him. when dean started talking to people in the legal process, he did two things that ultimately were crucial. number one, he gave them information that showed that not only should they will investigating the watergate break-in, which is what they had been focussed on, but they should also look at nixon in terms of obstruction of justice that shifted the investigation. ultimately, obstruction of justice was article number one of the bills of impeachment that would have been voted against nixon. the other thing dean did was he said when i was talking to nixon nixon would say things like, well, i didn't do such and such,

did i, john? it sounded as many maybe i was being taped. that caused them to be aware of the possibility that there would be tapes that would show the real story. >> dean's recollections about the way nixon talked to him was a signal essentially to investigators that there were tapes they should look for. >> they were looking very hard and finally, alexander butterfield knew about that, was approached by investigators for the senate watergate committee. he was the one that revealed those tapes to the public. ultima ultimately, they brought nixon down. >> thank you, my friend. great to have you here. >> thank you. be waell. >> thank you. stay with us. adults are just kids with much, much better toys. introducing the 2018 c-class sedan, coupe and cabriolet. the thrills keep getting better.

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two things to watch tomorrow. paul manafort 9:30 a.m. eastern time, the jury resumes its deliberations for a fourth day. you should also know by the end of the day tomorrow we are expected to get the full stack of evidence. that part the prosecution intends to use in the next federal felony prosecution of paul manafort, the case that is going to start in d.c. next month. we're told to expect there will be over 1,000 items of evidence in that list. but we will see our first glimpse of what the evidence will be. we'll see you tomorrow. now it is time for the last word with lawrence o'donnell. >> you have done it again. i was watching your interview with john brennan on friday