i am richie lui. president trump and his tweet storm taking aim at sessions. long time cfo of trump organization and nationa"nation enquirer," he kept a safe about information and publicly damaging stories. now stormy daniels' attorney is

reviewing what he thinks is in the safe. he spoke earlier to msnbc's joy read. >> do you think it's about paying women off? >> there's no question. >> these new developments are all related to the criminal case against the president, former fixer, michael cohen who implicated his former boss this week after pleading guilty to violating campaign finance laws. let's bring in sarah ellison, and katie tpapbg, and greg brower, former u.s. attorney. when we look at these two individuals, inner circle, those are the words we have used so far. when you look at pecker and wouzer burg here. who is the bigger catch when you look at the immunity agreements? >> weisselberg is really the

person that everybody that has paid attention to the trump organization and donald trumps over the years knows that he is the person by far who knows maybe even more than donald trump about his own company. >> katie, if you are there and you are trying to negotiate here immunity and the various types of immunity and you have both of them there, what do you think prosecutors would be able to get. >> well, as you heard from sarah the guy has been in donald trump's life since he was a child. now we have to really back it up a little bit for a second, richard. why would you give immunity? we talked a lot and you heard about whether it's use immunity or transactional immunity, but why would you need immunity if you didn't have something incriminating to say in the first place. if he was going to meet with the grand jury and tell

investigators that all they did was play uno and eat pizza, you would not need immunity. he was given a get out of jail free card by prosecutors, so we can only imagine he gave incriminating information, not only on cohen but more than likely included something involving donald trump. recently he was deposed in the state of new york attorney general's lawsuit brought against the donald trump foundation and gave a lot of information involving donald trump with regards to the trump foundation in the under oath lawsuit. >> you know, greg, chief financial officer signs off on everything. it is the very nexus of anything to do with a 1 or 0 or any other number in it, and 1s and zeros

don't lie. >> yeah, this has to be a good get for the government for a variety of reasons. the cfo for any organization typically knows where the financial bodies are buried, and so with this immunity agreement i think we will see a very helpful witness for the government. >> one of the items here is, you know, did he purchase the rights to stories there at the "national enquirer" and then not public them, right, sarah? when we look at some of the covers that were put up by the "national enquirer," there were eight covers slamming hillary clinton in the leadup to the 2016 election, and here they are. >> no question that the "national enquirer" was a big fan of donald trump and a great enemy to the people running against him, most notably

hillary clinton and also cruz and others. that's okay if they want to support a candidate. catching and killing stories which is the term that the industry sort of uses for the practice of buying up a story to keep it out of print is not really a journalistic practice, a common practice, and the enquirer clearly did things that went far beyond what a normal publication would do. i think that when you talk about, you know, people are all speculating what is in the vault, what is interesting about pecker and the "national enquirer," donald trump is not the only celebrity that they have executed catch and kills for. my sources tell me in that vault there's also material about arnold schwarzenegger, who was a good friend of the magazine's,

and also charlie sheen for that matter. it's kind of a place that holds incriminating information partly for blackmail or for the catch and kill arrangements. >> the president in response to these developments this week had a statement to make, and this is what he said about cohens. let's listen to that. >> so obama had it and other peop people have it, and almost everybody that runs for office has campaign violations, but what cohen plead to were not even crimes. >> we have a full screen of what he plead guilty to. one count of making false statements to a financial institution, and one count of making an excessive campaign contribution. so the president, not necessarily correct in his statement there. katie, react to what the

president is saying. is this common with all campaigns? >> i am not going to opine if it's common with all campaigns, but if i had to pick a side with donald trump and the southern district attorney of new york, and he plead guilty to two campaign finance violations. i will say that happened. of course the biggest thing about the cohen plea deal is what? he did it, he being cohen, did those campaign finance violations and structured the payments at the directive of donald trump, and exactly the problem donald trump has and that's exactly why the money man gave information and probably continues to do so involving how the payments were structured and how the "national enquirer" funneled that money to hide the campaign violations themselves. >> what is your thought about this eight charges? >> let me address first the

campaign finance idea. i will opine on that. violating the federal campaign finance laws is not something that every campaign does. it happens from time to time that a campaign after the fact, maybe as a result of an ougaudi made errors and fines are made, and the president eludes to president obama's fine, and bob dole had to pay a fine after an audit, and it's not common. what is unique about this situation, if you are to believe michael cohen in what he said under oath in open court last week is that -- or this week, he specifically implicated the president personally as having directed illegal campaign activity, and so this is very, very different, and this is just an allegation at this point. the president is entitled to say he did nothing wrong, but there seems to be something there that will be fully flushed out.

>> is it that which is willful or a mistake, an accounting error? >> what cohen is saying is that he was directed to engage in what could be illegal campaign activity. that's very different from what especially huge presidential campaigns have are found to committed in the way of technical violations after the fact. very different. >> great conversation. i wish i could have kept you for another 51 minutes, but we will do that next time. thank you. president trump escalating his attacks on attorney general jeff sessions in a saturday morning tweet storm. for years on my own. i couldn't do it. i needed help. for me, chantix worked. it did. chantix, along with support, helps you quit smoking. chantix, without a doubt, reduced my urge to smoke.

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president trump is not going to let up on his attacks on attorney general, jeff sessions, evidently. tweeting today as you see here. jeff sessions said he would not allow politics to influence him only because he doesn't understand what is happening beneath him. no collusion. this comes after president trump slams sessions earlier in the week. >> i put in jeff sessions, and he never took control of the justice department. he took the job and then said i will recuse myself. i said what kind of a man is this? by the way, he was on the

campaign. you know the only reason i gave him the job was because of loyalty. >> after that, this, sessions responding in a statement saying i took control of the department of justice the day i was sworn in which is why we have unprecedented success. joining me now, politics reporter for "the daily beast," betsy would have rough, and white house correspondent for the hill, jordan fabian. betsy, we are walking it back and forth in public. one has to wonder if they are talking at all, the attorney general and the president, and if not, why are they deciding to talk in public venues like this? >> it's safe to assume they would not have this conversation publicly if they were having it behind closed doors. there was a meeting that

happened at the white house several hours after the president gave that interview, and the attorney general attended the meeting and the two men did not address the issue at all. they seem to have decided to have this dispute in public for the world to see instead of handling it behind closed doors the way these types of situations are generally managed. the important context is the president is very much taking the side of fox news against his attorney general. if you watch shows like hannity or fox & friends, they dedicate an overwhelming amount of time to bashing the attorney general and going after sessions by name. the whole process is humiliating and isolating for sessions, and many have completely turned on him and are working over time to undermine him and push him out of his post. >> as the president develops a

nemesis, if you will, in the attorney general that might help deflect some of the other energies coming at him related potentially because of the investigations, but it's deflecting it. or is it softening the ground before he makes a move? >> it could be either one of those things. if he makes a move before the mid-term elections that creates all sorts of problems for republicans and while conservative media turned on sessions, and he has friends in the senate that he served with for many years and that could cause problems for the presidents there. it will be interesting to see if he makes a move but i would be surprised if he made a move before the mid-term elections. >> the white house reporting is nothing is phasing anybody right now in terms of the way conduct is undertaken, but what is the read from what you see at the white house in terms of the relationship that they have, or don't? >> richard, the relationship at this point is virtually

nonexistent. they see each other in the meetings for certain topics but are not talking to one another outside of the meetings, and americaov moreover, the staff has urged the president not to fire sessions in order to take control of the investigations, and the president is increasingly shunning the advice of his staff. the president's back is against the wall and he tends to do drastic things in these situations. there's lot of fear inside the white house right now. >> let me share a piece from "the hill." you write he feels the noose tightening, and i think that has certainly scoured some of this. he punched -- sessions punched back and he will punch back again because he is a counter puncher and always has to have

the last word, hence the tweets this morning, so you wrote, jordan. >> that's right. this goes to the president's core nature, being a counter puncher, and punching back twice as hard against his opponents, and doesn't matter if it's a democrat or somebody in his own cabinet. the stakes are much higher for the president, and of course with the guilty plea and the immunity agreements reached by the top financial officer at his company and the "national enquirer" chief that has all the damaging information about the president in secret and is talking to prosecutors right now. the stakes again much higher for the president and it has people in the white house worried about what comes next. >> betsy, we have certainly seen the president, if he feels the noose is tightening, he always somehow bounces back, right? he somehow makes it out of what might be seen as that corner

that some people might be painting story wise narratively for him. so is he painted in the corner in a different way this time? >> he is facing unique challenges, and a big part of the reason for that is the investigation that white house officials present the most jeopardy to his ability to stay on as president is not being run by the mueller probe, which would be easier for the president to shut down if he decided he wanted to, and it's frequently referred to as the sovereign district of new york, manhattan, federal prosecutors take enormous pride in their insulation from main justice, and doj headquarters in withdraw, and there's precious little president trump would be able to do to shut down the investigation that now has insnared his former accountant and the chief of the "national enquirer." the biggest threat to the president is also the investigation he has the least amount of influence over and that may be part of the reason he's going after sessions so

much, because he could fire sessions if he wanted to, but he can't just shut down the entire southern district. >> no. what counter punch might be next from the president to sessions? >> well, i will be looking at twitter as soon as we leave here. he has been vocal for quite sometime and that has ratcheted up in the last couple days. he has a view of the attorney general that is different than most people have of the attorney general, and he gave a backhanded opinion of holder saying he protected obama, and i just think we are going to see more and more and the question is, does he act? his advisers and aides are encouraging him not to act because it could get him in trouble with the mid-term

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the conviction of president trump's former campaign chairman, paul manafort, bolstered the investigation into the interference of the russians. the u.s. intelligence has a big problem. kremlin sources have gone quiet about putin's plans for the midterms. the report says actions by the white house are having a negative affect. according to the times, current and former owe tpeurpbls said the expulsion of the american intelligence officers from moscow has had a chilling affect on intelligence collection. let's bring in our msnbc national security analyst and assistant former fbi counter

intelligence. betsy is back with us as well. frank, how bad is the situation? >> richard, you never want to hear that sources is drying up when you are dealing with russia, china or other adversaries and that's what we are hearing. i put reasons into different buckets but they are related. vladimir putin is incentsed how easily robert mueller and his team unravelled and ae eviscerated two things, the campaign and the hacking of the dnc and hilary's e-mails, and naming, by public indictments, and putin is lashing out and interrogating people who might be sources, threatening their families and things are drying up there. secondly as you mentioned, that second bucket is the white house

and the u.s. congress demanding day after day documents unredacted, and when that happens and you are a russian cooperator with the u.s., you see that congress demands documents with names and you see the doj and fbi having to turn them over, you think twice about having to cooperate. >> working for these intelligence agencies, that's right, in cooperation, and including the second bucket, is that waning now and are we seeing less interest in undertaking such revelations, if you will, to those who are related to the intelligence gathering? >> the way they talk about the russia situation versus the intelligence community, and

whether you are talking about the cia or any alphabet soup of agencies responsible for gathering intelligence for national security purposes, there's a huge interest in the russia story, and russia is seen as one of the top counter intelligence rivals. one of the most significant assessments of the intelligence community made in the months after the 2016 election was that putin specifically wanted trump to win, and that type of information about somebody's motive is difficult to get and it's also extremely valuable. so within the ic, there's a huge appetite for this kind of information, but the white house, especially the president seems significantly less interested in it and that's part of the reason he suggested multiple times since he was elected that somebody other than russia could have been responsible for the meddling in the election, as recently as several months ago. i believe he pointed to the

chinese suggesting they might have had something to do with the intelligence attacks on the electoral process, and that's something the president seems to have thought up on his own. that difference may be part of the reason that sources who are working with american intelligence sources have a little pause because the president is the consumer of the intelligence they provide, and if the ultimate consomer seems to be skeptical about it, you may pause before risking your life before providing something. >> yeah, the united states, social media companies are saying the attacks are increasing in severity. you know this, frank, it takes month to set up intelligence infrastructures, in moscow and russia, as the example is today.

are we too late for this november? >> i fear we are. we are stepping up into the election period now and we are not going to see any waning of russian efforts to meddle. in fact, russia feels emboldened. there's no disincentive, richard, coming from this white house against the kremlin to stop doing this. they are going to continue. remember, their goal is chaos first. number one. second, to pick a candidate, in this case, in the midterms and have a certain party perhaps win. number one, chaos, and i am fearful that we are going to be looking at allegations and finger-pointing during the midterms as to why things were not done right, what could have been done better or what states didn't listen or accept funding, and there could potentially be kayio chaos during the mid-term elections if the message is not sent strongly from the white house to moscow that we will not

tolerate it and there will be severe consequences if it happens. >> who in the inner circle might be able to say let's fix this to the president and the president might listen? >> mike pence has been hawkish on the russia matter and he publicly made comments that have gone after the kremlin to suggest the kremlin's actions deserve some sort of criticism from the white house. there's certainly a possibility that pence would carry an opinion on this matter that would differ from the president, so probably the person closest to the president that could make that case, however at the same time we know he's extremely deferential to president trump and he doesn't like challenging him on the issues. that's part of the issue for the president's inner circle, even though the white house is full from people that come from a more traditional foreign policy background and have more of the traditional foreign policy pedigrees, they loathe to go after him, and it's hard to

guess if those conversations are happening and if they could be effective. >> yeah, thank you. great conversations. some might say "crazy, rich asians" is the new "black panther," but some say the film falls short and might take a step backward. and then trying to delay the confirmation of cavanaugh to the supreme court. ok everyone! our mission is to provide complete, balanced nutrition... for strength and energy!

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romantic comedies just don't do this well, at least not in the past three years until the number one box office unicorn, "crazy, rich asians" opened last week. it meet out "the meg" and "mile 22" all weekend long. and this weekend "crazy, rich asians" could hit $70 million. folks might say here, is this the asian "black panther." is this the big fat asian wedding? it could finish in the top 20 all-time grossing romantic comedies maybe. but critics say hang on to their stingray somball. it says it frames characters in white norms. where are the south asupians?

asup asians are not all rich, not there. let's bring in our executive producer, and an actress and we also have an espn anchor. let's start with this, you were writing for the undefeated and one of the questions was is this the asian "black panther." >> clearly the question is no. different genres and messages, but why i wanted to make that connection is the film itself represents a community that has not had a movie since joy club. this asian-american audience has been craving the content and

where it does become similar to "black panther," because i spoke with kim jung, they are all so accustomed to being the one asian, the one sidekick, and for ones they were altogether, all of these asian americans in a film in which they were not -- the sidekick character, the one token character. >> ju >> wouldn't it be something that this does hit the 20 all-time romantic comedies, hitting the 100 million plus possible? >> yeah, that would be an amazing achievement. i think that would be beyond the wildest dreams of even warner brothers, one of the executive producers on the film, and it's

obviously smashing records already, but if it got to that point, boy, i mean, we already know the second in the atrilogy of the series has been green lit, as least the development of it and this is just the very beginning, i think, of a lot of things to come. they always use that term rising boat lift, and i would like to see it cross the 100 million mark, and that would be beyond my fantasies and the studios. >> you have no financial ties, although you wish you did. it's all boats, but in this case, if you know singapore and i lived there for a bunch of years, they are missing a huge segment of the population there, south asians. >> yeah, and when i saw the movie i was still excited to see some south asians, but they were very minor characters. i think the point is every story can't represent -- one movie

can't represent everything. they were trying to tell a specific story about chinese americans who immigrated to singapore, or chinese folks coming to singapore and experiencing this. i think this was great and what i hope this does is open -- open room for other stories. hopefully there will be a indian american story and philippine-american story, that's a point. >> there's a story coming out in a week's time led by an american asian. some may say this reinforces that stereotype that asians are not from here, because they had to go to singapore, and this is not asian americans. >> i would say, first of all, with this movie there's no one size fits all, and with this piece of art, you are not going

to please everybody. you will not represent every single story, let alone every socioeconomic status. the big thing about this movie, the thing to focus on is what we just touched on, it creates opportunity to tell those types of stories. we have not been able to do that, and this creates that gateway to tell those individual stories about the low socioeconomic story who is in singapore or thailand or india, doesn't matter where, those opportunities now arise because studios now see the money is there. when i spoke with nina jacobson, she said for the longest time in hollywood, casting diversity, that's just viewed as doing the right thing but nobody in hollywood cares about the right thing, it's what make money and now they realize that makes money. >> it makes money, and you see both sides of the coin here, is

it better and how does the movie dismantle some of the barriers he was talking about? >> i always tell people, the term is showbiz. two sides of the coin. you have the show side, the backside, the business, i will tell you, if it doesn't bring in the color green none of this matters. it doesn't matter who is on the screen. if green is flowing in, it's going to continue to green light and it's going to continue to, again, bring opportunities for people of all colors, all shapes, all creeds, all back grounds. it's super important that people get out to the box office. we have seen this #goldopen happening across the country, and it's working. the viral affect of rallying the community and bringing their comrades, not just people from the asian-american community, and a shout out to chris pratt and people who are leaders in

their communities who are also lending a hand to our community with, you know, their social media platforms, and really we are seeing this viral affect going around and around. if it's just silo to us, the asian-american community, if we were 100% penetration, we need america to come out meaningfully. ae "crazy, rich asians" has done that. >> just data behind what we are talking about, variety citing a report that show asians have the highest rate of movie going in 2017, and they were saying asians account for 8% of audiences last year, and they made up 40% of "crazy, rich asians" opening so far today. when they see faces like yours, they say, i want to go and see

you, and on top of that i like movies because it includes people like us. >> absolutely. i get excited whenever there is a minority cast member and i always want more. i saw the trailer for "searching," and it was immediately like that's great, he has a lead role and that's fantastic. i know that's what i am looking for. my social media has been blowing up regardless of color but especially people across all colors are excited about ae"cra, rich asians." >> i want to say how "crazy, rich asians" can redefine what has typically been the hollywood asian man who has been long desexualized and emasculated in pop culture and this film could change those archaic ideas. >> thank you to all three of

you. you can read more about "crazy, rich asians" on msnbcnews.com/asianamerica. all right, up next, confirmation fight, how they are using the russian investigation to delay the confirmation hearings for supreme court nominee cavanaugh. it was here.

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democrats revived requests this week to delay the senate confirmation for brett cav tpau. this time they are seizing upon the guilty plea from former trump lawyer, michael cohen. >> this nomination is now tainted. >> no american citizen should be able to choose the person who will be judging them when they were subject of a criminal investigation should those matters be before that judge. >> democrats say the president should not get to choose a justice that could end up presiding over his very own case. chuck grassley said cavanaugh's hearings will go forward on

september 4th as scheduled. joining us now, a msnbc political strategist, and we have chair of the national bar association's pac, and chairman. thank you for being here. >> susan, here are the arguments coming from the democrats. what would be the response? >> i don't think that's a legitimate argument to say that he should not be seated because the president may or may not have a case coming in front of him. he could be recused. what would be a more legitimate argument is they have not been able to get all the records from the white house about his decisions and time under the bush white house. that's a legitimate concern. you should be able to have everything, his whole body of work in front of you to review. the other is just weak and the

wrong political argument. i'm not an attorney. >> i am. >> that's why scott, it's all yours. >> she's throwing it over to you. scott, do respond to that. i want to throw this in. president clinton nominated ruth bader ginsburg, does the argument flow both ways? >> it does. it's material. it's important. it's not dispositive to trump not being able to pick him if he's approved. i agree with my colleague there. i agree also that the documents that can't be produced from the national archives or the white house in time for the hearing. they're not asking for there not to be a hearing, they're asking until they get the documents, it gives them insight into his thoughts, his processes, his

views. that's all fair game. it's a much stronger argument. delaying it until october, there's no prejudice to anyone other than politically the republicans want to rush this through much like they've done on other issues before the congress and senate. we have to be careful here. if there's no prejudice to the republicans or democrats, it's like sending the democrats in with one hand tied behind their back. the documents matter. everyone should have access to those documents to prepare for the hearing. >> susan, should the republicans say let's delay this for a while. >> they should delay it until they can produce all the documents from the archives and then go forward. there's no harm in it. i get why they want to rush it through. if they have to and they're waiting until after the election if for some reason they lose the -- they probably lose the

house. if they lose the senate, they'll have two months to move it through. they could power through a nomination and advise and consent. it just looks to bad. it's just exactly what's wrong with what americans see. it just doesn't seem like it's fair and the right thing to do. you judge someone on their totality of work. there's no reason not to provide all the information. if they provided it two weeks ago they could have started the hearing. >> the republicans have the numbers. judge kavanaugh has an incredible resume. what's worse is they have the numbers to push him through. if you're on the winning side and you got the numbers barring november and the big blue wave that we think is coming, it makes you look worse. if you've got the numbers, you can vote him in now. you can also vote him in later once we're armed with the

documents. it makes no sense. it's a power issue and a political issue. the gop needs to stand down from a position of strength. >> if we look at the latest political reports, it looks like 25, 30 is what they're guessing in terms of seats that will go to the d column and only 23 is needed to have a change in the balance of power. if you get a brett kavanaugh in before the election, does that not say you've got to go with the republicans. going with the republican says i'm staying with the power and as president doing the things i said i would do, i'm just getting another supreme court justice. >> i don't think it matters at the end of the day. >> the voters aren't going to care. >> in their minds he's already got it. they may have to go through a hearing. as scott said, they have the

majority. why wouldn't he get it? as far as the house goes, the only pr problem is for the president and not having him in, if the democrats take control then they can begin impeachment proceedings right away. then you want to have a seated supreme court justice. you can still do it. you still can get it down in two months. >> you still have the majority of republican nominees who make up that court. you're not really losing anything. let's be real about this. those 30% or 40% of the voter that is support trump no matter what, their big issue a immigration. their big issue is -- we can run them off. >> economy. >> the economic and so forth. i doubt that the majority of those who support trump no matter what as my colleague said care one way or the other about

judge kavanaugh being seated except that segment of supporters like the religious right who want abortion made illegal of this country. that's a segment of his supporters, but the numbers aren't there. the republicans aren't going to let this go past november 4th. but being armed with the documents is fair, appropriate and necessary. >> susan great to have you, you too scott. that wraps it up for this hour. i'm i'm richard lui. thanks for being with us. you can follow us on facebook and twitter. let us know what you think. "deadline: white house" is next. you have a great day. ompany is gonna raise your rate after the other car got a scratch so small you coulda fixed it with a pen. maybe you should take that pen and use it to sign up with a different

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>> hi everyone. it's 4:00 in new york. my thoughts and heart and prayers our in arizona. senator john mccain has announced he's stopping all medical treatment for brain cancer. at this hour close friends and long time aides are traveling to arizona. the family releasing a statement this morning that reads quote john has surpassed expectations for his survival, but the progress of disease and the advance of age render their verdict. with his usual strength of will he's chosen to discontinue