at the time that they would turn into what she did. but there wasn't a lot of data. you shouldn't have taken risk. it was the kind of gut thing that john mccain did. >> thank you both. that's "all in" for this evening. >> thanks, my friend. thanks for joining us. happy to have you with us. there has been a bunch of breaking news late this afternoon and into this evening including the surprise ruling tonight from a panel of three federal judges that could have a really big impact on the democrats' chances of winning control of congress. winning control of the house of representatives this fall. as you know, the mid-term elections coming up very fast. they are ten weeks away. but there is been ongoing litigation in multiple states about whether or not the maps that define congressional districts in certain states have been drawn fairly. well, tonight the three-judge panel of federal judges

concluded not only that the congressional districts in the state of north carolina were drawn unfairly, to help republicans, basically, to guarantee that republican there's win more seats in congress from north carolina than democrats will. but these federal judges appear to be indicating that not only should north carolina redraw its districts and fix this problem. they should do so right now. right away. before people vote in the mid-terms in ten weeks. this is from tonight's "washington post" report of this breaking news story. the judges acknowledge that primary elections have already produced candidates for the 2018 elections. the judges said they were reluctant to let elections take place in congressional districts that the court has twice found violate constitutional standards. quote, north carolina legislators are likely to ask the supreme court to step in.

adding to the drama is the fact the supreme court has an even number of members. there are not nine members of the supreme court right now. there are eight because anthony kennedy has retired. but if this north carolina case about congress is going to the supreme court, and again, this might have national implications for who gets congress overall. this is something the supreme court will have to decide very, very quickly. if they're getting new congressional districts in time for november, any ruling on this has to happen like, now. so that is a very, very dramatic development with big national implications. tonight we do not know how this will shake out but you should expect fast moving litigation and a little bit of a party politics freakout on both sides about that north carolina ruling tonight. everybody knew this was within the realm of possibility in terms of the ruling. the idea that the congressional districts have to be redrawn

now, two and a half months before voting. i'm not sure anybody knew that was on the table. it has also been a remarkable day in the news today watching the white house and the president specifically absolutely bungle their response to the death of senator john mccain this weekend. the range of potential responses to the death of a singular american political figure like john mccain, you think the range wouldn't be that wide. right? but this white house has taken something that ought to have been simple and straightforward and they instead have found a way to repeatedly screw it up. first, lowering the flag at the white house to honor senator mccain. then raising it back up to full staff. then lowering it again after the president initially had refused to make any sort of statement about honoring mccain's legacy. the white house then instead started trotting out lots of

other officials including the president's daughter to say nice things but pointedly, the president himself was not making any supportive statements. that eventually crumbled as well. and then the degrees put out a begrudging positive statement. and then the flag went back down to half-staff. the country is essentially mourning the death of this singular figure in american politics. respecting the sacrifices that he made for this country. he was held as a prisoner of war and tortured for five and a half years. even people who disagree with him vehemently on specific policy matters, or on aspects of his record in politics. even people who dislike a lot of what john mccain did as a public figure, as a politician, have found a very easy path to recognizing his extraordinary, extraordinary service. except for the white house which has turned itself into a side

show of, forgive me but just self-interested incompetence, pet lent grandstanding, caving reversals and ultimately shame. i'm sorry to use such strong language. i try not to do that in general about anything in the news. but i think it is unavoidable given the debacle they made out of what should be the simplest governing task when confronted with a sad moment like this. all you have to do with a genuine fully minted american hero. all you have to do, if you can do nothing else, is just be decent and don't make it about yourself. that's all you have to do. if you can do nothing else, if you can accomplish nothing constructive, be decent and don't make it about yourself. but in this white house, just spectacular failure on both of those counts. so i imagine the failure will

continue on this front. because it's not like they have a real history of getting their ducks in a row when they fail like this, in such spectacular fashion. special when i the condemnation they're having from across the spectrum. we will continue on watch them screw this up. we'll have more on both these stories tonight. we're in our usual groove of expecting more breaking and developing news over the evening. that's in part because of a big story that was broken late tonight by the "wall street journal." this story the "wall street journal" has broken tonight is something the legal experts have been telling us, we should have expected it. maybe that's true. maybe we should have guessed that this was happening behind the scenes. it doesn't feel like it. for those of us watching this presidency of late, and watching the scandal that envelopes this presidency, more and more on a daily basis. this news broken by the "wall

street journal," it does feel like a surprise. you see the headline there. right to the heart of the manner. manafort sought deal in next trial. that means trump campaign chair paul manafort sought a deal with robert mueller. with the prosecutors at the special counsel's office who are about to put how many trial for another round of felony charges in federal court. but quote, talks broke down. to understand why, at least to the nonlawyers among us, this is such a jarring headline. just stand back and look at the legal trouble and the legal investigations that are circling the president and his business and his children. the biggest news of the last week was the president's long time lawyer pleading guilty on eight felony federal charges. and his plea in the information filed by prosecutors in question, his guilty plea,

michael cohen not only admitted himself to committing eight felonies, he implicated the president himself staying president directed him to commit the crimes. it also implicated, including two specified employees, executive one and executive two at the president's business. he also implicated another business called american media which is the publisher of the nation"national enquirer," his also implicated people from the president's campaign. the court appearance last week and documents prosecutors filed in connection with that plea therefore appeared to be a sort of road map indicating other potential indictments in the future, or at least pointing to other co-conspirators in these felonies to which michael cohen pled guilty which related to him

making illicit payments to influence the electionful will there be further prosecutions of the people implicated in the plea deal? we don't know. will the allegations of other conspirators, will that lead to further investigation which may lead to other criminal cases? we don't know. but late last week we did get word the district attorney many new york is considering pursuing criminal charges against the trump organization. which is the president's business. and two senior company officials in question, the criminal acts to which cohen pled in federal court last week. the news also simultaneously broke the new york state attorney general has already sought a criminal referral under state law for new york state tax charges, in addition to the federal tax charges that michael cohen has already pled to. that state new york state

attorney general has already brought charges against the president's foundation, the president himself and the president's three eldest children, don jr., e-ivankaa and eric. they have already referred that case against the trump foundation to the public integrity division at the justice department, to the federal election commission and to the irs for federal prosecution. the federal prosecutors brought a huge civil tax case against ivanka trump's business partner, from what used to be her luxury jewelry brand. trump organization executive allen weisselberg in the case relating to michael cohen is that the new york state case that relates to the trump foundation. reports of his possible immunity deal, at this point the reports are intriguing and a little hard to sort out. it is fair to say that we don't

yet know how much trump organizationalen weisselberg, how much he's cooperating, whether his immunity deal frees him up to talk with prosecutors. just specifyingly to michael cohen or whether his deal gives him immunity from prosecution on other things related to the president's business interests. that's all happening simultaneously. all of those things all at once. that's not even getting into the emolument cases which could result with the president's tax returns, if his family, his business, if they have anything to worry that, particularly when it comes to financial crimes. tax fraud, illicit interactions with russia that relate ultimately to russia's interference in the election. if they have anything to worry

about in all those fronts, you might imagine that all of these related ongoing investigations might start to feel a little constraining to the president. they might start to seem a little worried. there's no shortage of legal jeopardy right now for the president, his family, for the people and entities that are important to him. and honestly, i mean, i don't say it lightly. it is hard to know where the limits of legal jeopardy might be. not just for the president and his family but for the entities closest to him. i would single out one line here. i don't think this has had a lot of attention but it stuck with me over the weekend. the more i talk to people about it. specially more i talk on people in the legal system about it, the more it sticks out. there is literally a line in the michael cohen plea agreement from last week where federal prosecutors spell pout michael cohen pleading guilty in federal

court means federal prosecutors agree to not further prosecute him. but they explicitly spell out that they are reserving the right to cite those same felonies as crimes in case they ever want to bring a rico. 18 usc 1961. that's racketeering. that's rico as in organized crime. federal prosecutors are reserving the right to charge something as an organized criminal entity under the rico statutes and that relates to michael cohen. what? that how soon is probably enough to light a little fire under someone who believes they might end up in the cross hairs of one or more of these investigations.

but among all of these for the president's business and even his charity, even amid all of that, the paul manafort case really does stand out. it really does stand alone. michael flynn, the president's national security adviser pled guilty. rick gates, the deputy campaign chair, organizer of the nauks, pled guilt yiflt george dpaps, pled guilt yiflt paul manafort has not pled guilty. he stands alone here. things are happening to him fast. of course the same thing that he pled guilty in court, almost exactly simultaneously, paul manafort was convicted. the day after tomorrow, wednesday of this week, the prosecutors who convicted manafort on those eight felonies, they'll have to tell the court whether they are going to bring manafort back to court to retry him on the ten felony

charges for which the jury was not able to reach a verdict. remember, it was eight felonies, conviction, eight felonies, hung jury. couldn't come to consensus. the foreperson of the jury went out of his or her way to make it publicly known on the verdict sheet organization those ten charges where they couldn't come the a verdict, 11 of the 12 jurors wanted to convict manafort on all of them. only one holdout for the ten charges on which they didn't get guilty verdicts. prosecutors know that and they have right to put manafort on trial again for the ten charges where they got a mistrial. they were just one juror away. we'll find out the day after tomorrow whether they'll try manafort again on those second basem baseman, on those charges. prosecutors are steaming toward the next trial for manafort. it is interesting. a few days ago, the federal

court in d.c. that's about to start the second trial for manafort, they unsealed some of the earlier proceedings that we the public hadn't previously access to that let us see for the first time even the judge who is overseeing the next paul manafort trial in d.c., that judge appears to be mystified by the fact manafort didn't consent to all the charges against him just being consolidated in one jurisdiction so he could go on trial once. the reason, the trump campaign chair, the reason he had a trial that ended last week and he's now about to have a new trial that is starting within the next few weeks is simply because he decided he wanted two trials. government gave them choice to consolidate them and go on trial oncest chose to go on trial twice. why did he make choice? we don't know. neither does the judge in his case. this is from the newly unsealed

court transcript in manafort's case from february 14th in washington, d.c. this is judge in manafort's d.c. case talking to manafort's defense lawyers. and before this was just unsealed, this was a sealed proceeding at the base. now we know what happened. the judge says, quote, i understand you're hamstrung. is there any ghang the eastern district versus the district of columbia? i think the only thing i can imagine that's more unusual than the government offering that you choice is the choice you're making. but is there any further discussion about that? manafort's defense lawyer says no. and then judge says, okay. all right. the judge is saying, are you sure you want your client to go on trial twice? you want two federal felony trials? the judge is saying to the

defense lawyers, listen, prosecutors never give anybody the option to drop one of their trials. they're giving you the option to just go on trial once. are you sure you're not willing to take them up on it? the defense lawyer is yep, your honor, we're sticking with the plan. two trials. the judge is like, okay, your funeral. here we go. so this second trial is about to start. and it's weird. and it will happen before the judge who finds it remarkable. in the judge's words, unusual that manafort has decided to have a second trial. incidentally, this will who will be presiding in the trial is the same judge who ordered paul manafort held in jail instead of house arrest because of the allegations that he was tampering with witnesses while he was out on bail. so this next case for manafort is not promising for a lot of reasons. but it will also be significantly different from the case in virginia where he just got convicted on eight felonies.

we know about in part from the 1,500 pieces of evidence that they have for manafort. one of the things that's different is that at least some of the evidence in this case that they'll be citing is apparently in russian. look. at least the subject lines of all of these e-mails that appear in the prosecution's list, this is the trial where manafort has a co-defendant on some of the charges. his co-defendant is konstantin kilimnik. he is believed to be associated with russian intelligence. he is believed to be hiding in russia rather than face these charges. in addition to being listed as manafort's co-defendant, he appears here in the evidence list. item number 1194.

kk we believe is the nickname for him and that's the way manafort referred to him. there are also these couple references who we believe may to be a russian oligarch who is known to be very close to vladimir putin and is known to have extensive business dealings. his name is oleg dare passka. we'll have more on his role. this was always going to be a difficult prospect for him. you don't have the wind at your back had you're coming off eight convictions. eight felony federal convictions right before you start a new trial on seven more counts. in terms of the president's legal jeopardy though, this second manafort trial has got a lot of russian stuff in it. it is a lot closer to the

original concerns related to russia that started the special counsel's investigation in the first place. after initial reports last week stoked in part by the president himself that he might be considering a pardon for paul manafort, following his conviction in virginia, tonight gabriel sherman reports at "vanity fair".com that the president is so committed to the idea of pardoning paul manafort now that he is willing to do it even over the objections of his white house counsel don mcigan. the president has said he is considering bringing in a new lawyer to draft a manafort pardon if mcgahn won't do it. in that context tonight, the "wall street journal" reports that he was trying to do a deal. manafort who would not flip. manafort, the guy going all the way to trial of not once but twice, the one guy implicated in the trump/russia scandal who absolutely would not do a deal with prosecutors and was praised by the president for that, manafort has apparently trying

to do a deal with prosecutors. according to the reporter at the "wall street journal," manafort's defense team started conversations with mueller's prosecutors about a potential plea deal while the virginia jury was deliberating over manafort's fate in his first trial. quote, paul manafort's defense team held talks with prosecutors to resolve a second set of charges against the former campaign chair. the plea discussions occurred as a virginia jury was spending four days deliberating tax and bank fraud charges against manafort. the talks between the defense team and prosecutors were aimed at forestalling a second trial for manafort which is scheduled to begin on september 17th. although paul manafort and his defense team started those talks with the special prosecutor's office, it did not result in a deal. and this is where it gets very intriguing. the plea talks on the second set

of charges stalled over issues raised by special counsel robert mueller. what issues? quote, it isn't clear what those issues were and the proposed terms of the would be plea deal could not immediately be determined. as the president openly mulls the prospect of pardoning paul manafort to get him out of this legal corner of a mess that he's in, does this mean that paul manafort was offering to cooperate with prosecutors for the first time ever? could this mean that he wasn't offering to cooperate but his defense team was nevertheless, trying to make his second trial go away? if they weren't operating, if they weren't offering his cooperation in exchange for making those charges go away, what else would they have to offer? there are ways to figure out the answers to these questions. we'll take our best shot at it

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we've been following this breaking news from the "wall

street journal." trump campaign chairman paul manafort sought deal in next trial but talks broke down. the journal says that paul manafort's defense team held talks with prosecutors from the special counsel's office to try to resolve a second set of charges. the ones he faces next month in washington, d.c. manafort's lawyers reportedly tried to talk this out before he was convicted last week on eight felony counts in virginia while the jury was deliberating. talks on the d.c. charges stalled over issues raised by special counsel robert mueller, one person tells the journal. quote, it is not clear what those issues were and the proposed terms of the plea deal could not immediately be determined. paul manafort's lawyers tried to cut a deal for their client with robert mueller, the special counsel. they apparently tried to cut that deal for manafort while the jury was deliberating in his first federal criminal trial in virginia. it didn't work out but what does it mean for the mueller

investigation that the trump campaign chairman, newly convicted felon, paul manafort, is now apparently at least trying to get himself a deal with the prosecutors in ron mueller's office. joining us now, chuck rosenberg, former fbi official, thank you very much for your time tonight. >> my pleasure, rachel. >> is it normal practice for a defense team to come to prosecutors to try to cut a deal for their client literally while the jury is out and deliberating on their client's fate? >> no. it is highly unusual for someone to have two trials that they're facing. one in virginia and one in d.c. it is not unusual, however, rachel, for defense lawyers to explore with prosecutors the possibility of resolving a case short of trial. >> they reportedly, according to the "wall street journal," were trying to lessen or eliminate

the charges that manafort was facing in the second trial. seven felony counts. they are similar to in some ways but also they depart from the kinds of charges he faced in virginia. why would they have thought that they had leverage with the special counsel's office at that point to get prosecutors to drop those charges? what could they have been offering? >> they don't really have leverage unless they're willing to offer full and complete and truthful cooperation. that doesn't seem likely to me. so there isn't a lot of leverage and i'm not surprised that the defense counsel would try. this i'm also not surprised that prosecutors would balk. would they like to have the finality of it? absolutely. but they go in with a very strong hand. >> obviously the prosecutors want convictions of paul manafort. they would also like any information they could get from paul manafort about their ongoing investigations. the judge himself at the

virginia trial said in open court to some controversy that he believes the prosecutors in this case are interested in what paul manafort might be able to contribute to a case that involves the president or other high ranking federal officials. once the prosecutors knew their case was in the hands of the jury in virginia, they presumably had some ideas to the strength of their case, what they put forward, the likelihood of getting convictions. wouldn't them having their cake and eating it too if they could get eight felony convictions but then also get cooperation to make the charges go away? >> you bet. they absolutely want his cooperation. as long as it is truthful. we always think of plea deals, plea agreements where both sides document some understanding and both sides get something out of it. it is also the case that mr. manafort could simply walk into court and plead guilty. straight up as we call it to all the charges and the prosecutors

would be left with really just the convictions, but not the cooperation. they absolutely want the cooperation. and that is the small bit of leverage that mr. manafort has. but in order for him to trade that, he is going to have to give the prosecutors everything about everyone. that may be a painful road for him to walk. >> one last question for you. less a pure legal question and more like a real politics question. the president has publicly praised mr. manafort for not being a rat in the president's terms, calling him brave and saying that he wouldn't break, he wouldn't cooperate. the manafort defense team has publicly thanked the president for his supportive comments about mr. manafort. that has led to a lot of discussion that both sides may be signalling to each other through press that mr. manafort is angling for a pardon and the president may be signaling to

manafort that the way he gets that is by not cooperating. if that die animal sic in fact at work here, how do you think this new report from the "wall street journal" that manafort sought a deal with prosecutors might affect that? >> well, i read at this time way you do. i think these signals, strong signals to manafort to do what the president said, stay strong. there may be a pardon in your future. if that is the case, then deal may be which counts manafort pleads guilty to or how much he would have to give to the government. it may not be about cooperation at all. as i sit here and think about it, i think cooperation still remains highly unlikely. so you can plead guilty, as we saw with mr. cohen, without agreeing to cooperate. that seems to be the way we're going here, rachel. >> chuck rosenberg, former fbi and justice department official,

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we are now a full entire month, one month and one day, beyond what is supposed to be a court ordered deadline for reuniting the parents and kids who were forcibly split up by the trump administration at the u.s. border. despite that court ordered deadline, the administration is nowhere near finished with

reuniting those parents and kids. as the latest court filing this past week, there were still over 500 kids who had been separated from their parents by the trump administration. 23 of those kids are 5 years old or younger. these toddlers and babies who have been taken away from their parents. for most of the kids still being held apart from their parents, 343 of them, their parents have been deported. have been sent out of the country while the kids are still being held here by the trump administration. the trump administration is essentially admitting that those kids are at risk of never finding their parents again. which means trump administration taking those kids away from their parents will be an irrevocable act. they will never see their parents again because of what the trump administration did. the "washington post" editorial board called this the trump administration's legacy of orphans. as this policy process slowly grinds along, a group of administration officials have been meeting weekly at the white

house to supposedly try fix what the administration has done but according to some remarkable new reporting from the new yorkers, jonathan who spoke with one of the officials, the white house officials are expressing very little contrition about what's happened here. i asked the current administration official whether the outcry over family separation had caught the government by surprise. it had, the official said. the expectation was that the kids would go to the office of refugee resettlement, that the parents would get deported, and that no one would care. that's a currently serving administration official. admitting to a report per that's what they were counting on. that they could take kids away from their parents permanently and no one would care. they were surprised anybody definitely joining us, the deputy director of the aclu immigrants rights. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me again. >> so when we first reported on

this court ordered deadline, we thought the government would have to awide by it. the government says it is abiding by it but these kids aren't eligible for reunification with their parents. >> the government has taken out certain kids and said you're not eligible because we think your parents have a serious criminal history. we completely dispute that. that's only one segment. as you said, there are 343 parents sitting in other countries waiting for their kids. the government tried to say, well, they're not part of this lawsuit because they're deported. we said they're the most harmed. they're sitting in another country. they are worrying that their kids and they are so far away the judge said, no, they are part of it. you have to find them. we are desperately trying to find these parents to reunite them. and every day that goes by, the kids are harmed. >> is the trump administration working diligently to move this

along? we're talking about a known universe of people here. this is not some amorphous thing. these known kids, known parents, a known deportation procedure. is this an aclu project at this point? is the government trying to get it worked? >> i think it largely is. the government that we're washing our hands of and it the judge said no, no. we're the ones looking for the parents. the government said they called them. maybe they did. we don't know what kind of conversation they had with the parents. we're now calling the parents. we'ring who for additional parents and it is clear when we're talking to the parents, so many of them were misled or coerced into thinking it was the way to get their children back. the point you made is critical. there's no contrition here. every day we're fighting with them for little crumbs. they should be saying, look, we

should have never done. this we've traumatized these kids. let's at least give them fair asylum proceedings now. let's do everything we can to make these kids whole. i don't think they can ever be really whole but let's at least try. we're spending every single minute i just got off the phone talking to our co-counsel. the government sent back, negotiating something about asylum hearings. they're not giving meaningful asylum hearings to these families. they should be saying what do you want to make these families whole? instead we're fighting with they will at every turn. >> can the judge do anything else? to have the deadline coming and going, the government making excuses for kids that don't fit class and slow walking these reunion if i indications, even the ones they're ordered to do. i just feel like people around the country watching this are thinking, what else can be done for these kids? >> well, i think at this point

the judge has. to them, let the aclu and these other groups try on find them. the government will try to do some stuff. i think the judge has made clear. he doesn't want to hear from the government. whether there's additional steps, we'll have to wait and see. we want to make clear we're not giving up hope. we believe we'll find these parents. we have to remain hopeful. so we are out there every day trying to find parents. we hope the government will do the right thing and give them meaningful asylum hearings. when we find the parents and the children trying to get meaningful asylum hearings. every second we're fighting with them. you would think they would have learned their lesson and say let's remedy this situation. we got caught off guard but we're still not going to acknowledge what we did was horrible. >> and still hoping that maybe people won't care enough to press it. >> thank you for the update.

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from a personal standpoint, when you saw george w. bush take that oath of office yesterday, did for a microsecond you wish, gee, i wish i was up there doing that? >> every day. >> on saturday, the eulogies at john mccain's memorial service at the national cathedral in washington, d.c., the eulogies will be delivered by two former presidents. george w. bush and barack obama. john mccain, of course, ran against both of those men for president. now both of those presidents, both political points of john mccain, will praise him and remember him and help lay him to rest. senator mccain will be interred in annapolis on sunday. arizona's republican governor has said that out of respect for senator mccain, he is not going to name mccain's successor for

mccain's seat in the senate until mccain has been laid to rest which again will happen this weekend. there after, the governor will announce who he has chosen for mccain's seat. once that person is named by the governor of arizona, that person will serve as an appointed senator for a couple of years until 2020 when the special election will be held for mccain's seat. now, we don't who know the governor will pick to hold that seat for two years but we do know by arizona law, the governor has to appoint a senator from mccain's own party. not that there would be any ambiguity about this anyway, but by law the governor has to appoint a republican to mccain's seat. i want to spell that out a little bit. understandably there is been a little confusion as to what's happening with senator mccain's seat and it is, lally because of a big quince on the calendar. tomorrow voters in arizona are going to the polls to peick

republican candidate for u.s. senate from arizona. but that's not for john mccain's seat. tomorrow's primary in arizona is to pick candidates for the other u.s. senate seat. the one that is currently held by jeff flake who is retiring. so democrats will pick somebody to run for that seat. as will republicans. and the favorite on the republican side, a three-way race. current republican congresswoman martha mcsally, also, former sheriff and trump pardoned resippen joe arpaio, and mccain's last primary point, kelly ward who senator mccain beat easily in 2014. it depends a little on who gets nominated. but that general election contest for u.s. senate in arizona, not the mccain seat, the jeff flake seat, that's expected to be one of the most competitive races this fall. we know that person will serve alongside a two-year place

holder whose name we will learn in the next week after john mccain is laid to rest. so taking those apart, it is a coincidence in terms of the timing. we'll have a name for m tomorrow night late into the evening. stay with us. ight late into the evening. stay with us need a change of scenery? the kayak explore tool shows you the places you can fly on your budget. so you can be confident you're getting the most bang for your buck. alo-ha. kayak. search one and done.

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pin in this stories. head's up on this one. watch out for this. this might turn out to be something. in 2012 linked in got hacked. pass words for 6.5 million users of linked in for stolen and published on a russian internet forum. four years later, in 2016, the company announced that actually it wasn't six million linked in users, it was more like 100 million users. then late in 2016, actually october 2016, two and a half weeks before our presidential election, we got this announcement from the u.s. justice department. justice department announced it was charging a suspect in the linkedin hacking case. he is in his late 20s, from russia, charged with executing that cyber attack on linkedin and the file sharing site drop box and a question and answer forum called form spring.

here is the interesting part. this isn't one of those case where is the u.s. justice department indicts some russian hacker but nothing ever comes of it because he is in russia and they don't extradite from us so this guy will never see a u.s. courtroom. this guy is russian. but at the time that the justice department indicted him, he wasn't in russia. he was in the check republic. and police arrested him. and in march of this year, they extradited him to the united states. and he is now in jail in federal custody in the san francisco bay area awaiting trial. so i'm sticking a pin in this story for a couple of reasons because this turns out to be a weird and interesting story. first of all, they are not lumping this hacker with the other big russia cyber attack prosecutions that we have got going on right now, right? we have had hacking indictments brought by the special counsel's investigation being operated out

of washington, d.c. they're keeping this in the jurisdiction of the federal attorney based in san francisco. this guy is facing 30 years in prison. there is other emerging details that make it worth watching. reports of the suspect's lawyer that ever since he was arrested and extradited to the u.s., russian officials, russian government officials have been unusually involved in this case, including, quote, arranging at least once to visit him in jail when his attorneys were not present. that makes sense, that russia would be interested in their citizen being held in a federal case in the u.s. but talking to him without his lawyers there? and it is not just russia that appears to be very interested. they also spoke to an official at the u.s. justice department who says this alleged russian hacker awaiting trial in

california california is, quote, of great interest. prosecutors are eager to find out what, if anything, he knows about election meddling. they are as eager to know about that as they are to get to the bottom of the linkedin and drop box hacks. oh, really? we don't know exactly what this means, whether he has any information that could be helpful in terms of investigating russian involvement in the u.s. election or whether he knows nothing about any of it, but there is something going on here with this case that we don't yet understand and it is worth remembering this guy's name. here is the guy's name again. put it up on the screen. do we have it? go ahead and set up that google alert. we'll be right back. ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪

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