again, it's been a pleasure being here filling in for nicolle. my thanks to all of you guys, it has been a memorable one. that will do it for this hour. i'm katy tur again in for nicolle wallace. "mtp daily" starts right now with chuck todd. >> katy tur, how are you? see, that's what pete does to me. by the way, next time if pete williams does a katherine on you, just call him lewis. >> i had someone online say i was surprised to find out katherine was your full name. i said really? >> is it that hard to figure out? oh, you're a charles? yeah, most chucks are. >> what are you going to do. >> thank you, katy. if it's thursday, it's the eye of the tweetstorm.

good evening, i'm chuck taught here in washington. welcome to "mtp daily." if it's thursday, the president is making assertions that to some come across as conspiratorial and at times a bit orwellian. we're learning that some of the most important people whose jobs are to act as a guardrail against the president's behavior or instincts are leaving, giving up, rationalizing it or being ousted. that is a recipe for bad things getting worse. the president today all but said reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. he suggested without evidence, because there is none, that part of the tape of him on camera in that interview with my colleague, lester holt, was fudged, as he puts it. okay. not true. you might remember that was the interview where the president said, yeah, he fired james comey in part because of the russia investigation. that was just one baseless allegation in a series of baseless allegations about the press, books, tapes,

journalistic sources, and news executives that he claims are all conspiring against him. the president also went after a top justice department official by claiming that this official was involved in some kind of russian collusion and should be fired because of it. the president suggested that he ousted his white house counsel, don mcgahn, just 24 hours after saying mcgahn was leaving on his own accord. mcgahn was a key check on some of the president's impulsiveness, also testified to bob mueller about his boss's impulses which reportedly included at least two attempts to fire mueller. yesterday we learned that mcgahn is leaving. today we learned that the white house ethics lawyer is out effective tomorrow. it looks as if the attorney general is going to be ousted after the midterms according to several top senate republicans. we're hearing some senate republicans either shrug their shoulders or tell themselves that hillary clinton would be more corrupt or the president is to inept to commit a crime like conspiring with russia. let's bring in tonight's panel.

sahil kapur is a national reporter with bloomberg news. daniellea gibbs mcshea and brad todd. welcome back. the president, let's get to quick news here making quick headlines. i guess the biggest one is jeff sessions' job is safe for 60 days. >> that's correct. at least 60 days. the president would not comment when my colleagues asked him what would happen to the attorney general after that, but there's widespread speculation given the president's very public attacks on his a.g. that his job may not last beyond that. mitch mcconnell said earlier this week he has total confidence in jeff sessions and he should stay exactly where he is. that is a signal that mcconnell doesn't want anything to mess with the kavanaugh hearings. the second part is who do you put in his place? it's a 50-49 senate right now. some of those republicans are not going to be comfortable supporting another a.g. unless they promise to protect the russia investigation and the mueller probe, which is

precisely why it seems the president wants sessions gone, so it's hard to know what the end game is here. >> let me underscore this midterm issue here because i think the voters are going to have a say as to the future of jeff sessions, meaning this. my theory is if somehow democrats win the senate, that actually might change republicans' calculations in the senate if somehow they won the senate. brad, is that a fair -- all of a sudden you'd have a different set of -- right now you have a bunch of republican senators going, look, he's popular with the base. >> last fall when chuck grassley sent out a tweet that said i have no time to schedule any attorney general confirmation hearings last year. some people may have noted that last week he said now he does have some time. >> he has a separate beef with -- >> he does, but you can't have a new attorney general until you have hearings to have a new attorney general and you can't have it on the floor unless you

have a majority leader willing to schedule it on the floor. even if he did fire jeff sessions, he's going to be replaced about rod rosenstein. >> that's why it feels as if at the end of the day mitch mcconnell is a calculator. and i mean that as a compliment. he reads the tea leaves. it's about being in power. if he's not in power, he wants to figure out why he was not in power. he would only have one person to blame if he's not senate majority leader this election year. >> yeah, i think that's right. donald trump hasn't listened to mitch mcconnell in the past either because i'm pretty sure he did not want him to nominate brett kavanaugh for a host of reasons. i think we've already said what comes after jeff sessions. donald trump is not somebody who strikes me as someone who thinks down the line so he very much deals with impulses. his impulse is i want to get rid of this person and he's putting republicans in a tight bind.

i think the voters will speak loudly. i think you hear it happening already in these primary elections, that they don't like what's happening. >> but if republicans hold the senate, even if this elose 50 house seats, brad, that calculus is not out of the question. they could win a seat and democrats could win 50 house seats. if trump has the cocoon of protection from the republican senate -- >> a polarized country -- you confirm judges and cabinet secretaries, it's how you are able to control the personnel in your own government. so the control of the senate is a big deal. i think that getting a larger amount of control of the senate is going to be a bigger and bigger priority of republicans as they get closer to the election. they see a lot more challengers who have shots and gives you a little blanket for 2020. >> as democrats take over the house there's going to be oversight happening.

there are going to be hearings and they'll have subpoena power and all of this. yes, having the senate will be a blanket for the president, but if democrats win back the house, there's going to be reckoning that's going to happen. >> it's enormously consequential because of the issue of appointments. everyone that is confirmable by the senate would have to go through chuck schumer's desk if the democrats win two seats. judges, probably the most significant, most successful project of the trump presidency. he got a 60th judge this week. he's got 33 on the district courts, 26 on the appellate courts, one supreme court justice, eight more coming next week and a supreme court judge in the pipeline. imagine the difference if it's chuck schumer rather than mitch mcconnell looking at these personal appointees. it would be a massive complexion change. >> daniela, your party doesn't have a project that cares about the judiciary the way the republicans do.

it's a very organized effort. >> if i was in charge and had all the moneys -- >> this has never been a liberal priority. >> at the center for american progress we actually do have a project called why courts matter, so we understand the importance of the judiciary. i don't understand why it isn't something that gets democrats and progressives out like it does on the right. money is a part of it. you guys put millions and millions of dollars into these fights and our side just doesn't do that. >> progressives were furious this week when senate democrats agreed to fast track votes on judges, seven all within about an hour. that's a huge deal. >> what does chuck schumer do? >> in the year 2030 there will be no one in the current senate still there. donald trump probably will be dead and neil gorsuch will still be on the supreme court. >> 60 of them long after trump's presidency fades into history, they'll be making decisions. almost all of them are in their 40s and 50s. most of them have been vetted by the federalist society. these are very conservative people. >> we have a whole bunch of mini

news items that the president made in this bloomberg interview. he said an eu proposal for tariffs not good enough. getting canada into the new nafta, he calls it into the trade deal, it will be friday or within a period of time but it will come. it does feel as if the canadians are circling that. he says he does not regret appointing jerome powell as fed chair, even though he's been upset about the interest rate decisions. he says he is thinking of linking capital gains taxes to inflation, which would be a massive tax cut for a lot of people, would it not, brad? >> god created republicans to cut taxes. >> without congressional approval, though? >> so none of those headlines -- real quick, though, on getting a new nafta, he's had a horrendous summer. there's not a lot of good headlines. child separation. scott pruitt happened in july. for many people, that was last month.

but getting a new trade deal. getting a new nafta. it looks a lot like old nafta, but at least he's going to say i did it. >> he's very eager for a victory on nafta. he doesn't have much on the deliverable end on the issue of trade other than tariffs that have hurt -- that are making a number of members of his own party nervous, that are hurting republican senate candidates in places like tennessee and missouri and north dakota as well. so i think he wants a victory. he at least wants to rename nafta and get the pr value of saying i put my stamp on it. there are some negotiations happening with the mexicans. the canadians seem to be moving forward on this. but there's more questions than answers right now. >> there's no doubt the canadians don't want -- >> to be left out. >> they'd love to stand up to him but can't afford it. >> i don't want to -- i think we should understand how important the trade deal renegotiations are to the new coalition that i think has been forming not just because of president trump but he's a product of that reformation. i'm from a town in east tennessee that had two hosiery

mills, a paper mill and steel mill as a kid. they're all gone. for a lot of people there, they would tell you that trade deals that we had in the past two decades were part of that equation. the last two presidents didn't do anything to change the course of where we were headed on trade. so i think for a lot of people in the middle of the country and even blue collar cities on the east coast will tell you this is a pretty big deal. >> the proof is in the pudding, it's all about the details. we'll see what happens. if this trade deal really is something that benefits the american worker or like the tax deal is going to benefit the wealthiest. i'm sorry, after north korea i don't believe the hype when it comes out of this white house. >> let me bring up one other political thing that the president did today. he bragged about the fact that he's not going to give a pay raise to federal workers. politically i get that the base said, yeah, screw the government. >> i think he's writing off virginia. >> not just virginia. >> not just virginia. it is sort of you have -- we don't have it in the budget he said.

you could do the $1.6 trillion tax cut and can't do this. again, how good of politics is it to bash government? i hate to be this cynical -- >> first off, the congress will decide and not him in the end. the public doesn't trust government right now, either party. there are plenty of people in the republican coalition that trust donald trump more than republicans in congress. this is an example of him being a disrupter. whether he does it or not -- >> you think that's another one of those things, don't believe it? >> he's proven he's willing to say things people won't say and not taking cues from other people in washington. >> how does this affect someone like barbara comstock who's running for congress in a tough d.c. -- >> virginia in 2020 in his own race i think is what he's thinking about. >> virginia may be a swing state again, but not in the trump era. >> barbara comstock already put out a press release about it. it's not just virginia.

there are lots of states where there are lots of civilian employees that are going to be hurt by this. >> this is a matter of priori prioriti priorities. the president decided the united states could borrow the money for a big increase in military spending and did have funds in the trieasury to offer tax breaks. >> let's be crass. there is not a single vote that he would get if he somehow said i'm giving a raise to all federal workers. >> but the military vote does help him. part of the federal workforce that identifies with republicans is military. >> the rest of the workforce will get a raise because they'll not separate the two, which is my guess. >> and it's about priorities. the money is there, he just wants to spend it on certain things and not other things. up ahead, inside president trump's war on google, plus a new outrage at the border. why are more and more hispanic american citizens being denied their passports? g denied their passports? got directions to the nightclub here.

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almost all stories and news is bad. they are controlling what we can and cannot see. this is a very serious situation. will be addressed. he also tweeted a video in which he accused the search engine has highlighting president obama's state of the union addresses and not his. they did this year. the speech he gave to congress in 2017 was not a state of the union address. none of them are when you give them in the first year in office. joining me now is kara swisher, the executive editor of the technology news website. let's start with the president's accusation and then go to something that he's touching on that is relevant to this conversation. obviously he's going after google. it's all part -- steve bannon ranted about this a long time ago. >> and he did a bunch last week and he's done it to amazon, "washington post" -- >> that's right. part of it is maybe he doesn't

understand the tech world. >> no. >> i think that's a big part of it. but the other part of it just feels ironic. is he saying that you guys must stink because i was able to manipulate your system and look what i did? i don't mean to be that cynical. >> yeah, yeah. >> is there any basis to his attack? >> no, none whatsoever, and i'm not one to defend the tech industry. i'm very interested in these hearings next week and some of the problems they had with cambridge analytica and things like that. in this case he's completely wrong and doesn't know what he's talking about. >> i want to go to that state of the union attack because this is the problem that's happening on social media. the irony is and it's basically twitter has allowed this to happen. their platform has been used for this, which is -- and it's been regularly done, matt gaetz has done this, kevin mccarthy has done this. they retweet this and say this is how they're biased against conservatives, but they turn out to be fake accusation, all these fake accusations, but it gets 32,000 retweets or 50,000 likes

so people still believe it. >> i wrote a column in "the new york times" saying that was cod swallow. conservative voices are very loud on social media, so are liberal voices, so are crazy voices, so are comedians, so is everyone. this particular group of people has been advantaged by it because they were largely left out of the mainstream media until fox news came along. now they have all these platforms to discuss things on. there's been an online ragefest among them that they are not heard. the line i use is the people that talk loudest about not being heard never shut up. donald trump uses twitter quite a bit. >> one of the things is we started believing maybe we are biased. we can't look biased. so we created a lot of false equivalency issues. it looks like silicon valley is about to fall into that trap. >> by ignoring it completely. look at what jeff bezos is

doing. he just doesn't say a word. i think google has to just say this is not true and move along and stuff like that. obviously, again, there are issues that all these companies should face of things they have done, but not this one. >> but i want to get into an issue that i thought steve bannon addressed -- he rantied t the end but he touched on something i've gotten into. who's going to regulate the algorithms? at the end of the day they're not wrong, none of us know what they have. they have all of our information. steve bannon made a recommendation that i didn't think was a bad one, which was should our info at least be in a public trust of some sort, that they can access all the time and i get that. i buy what he's talking about there. at some point we have to figure out how to regulate the algorithms so we know if they're being abused. >> that's the problem, you can't do that. then make google an entity of the government? it's called russia, the russian government.

>> how do we regulate an algorithm? >> we don't. >> why? >> because they're big companies and they're the one in charge just like cbs used to be in charge of the air waves. >> but if google writes an algorithm that somehow directs -- let me do a better one. let's say one of the -- >> facebook. >> no, monster.com. like an employment site and their algorithm seems to always leave out people of color. >> right, that's a different issue. >> that's my point. how do you -- they could say, oh, we just wrote an algorithm, we didn't know it was going to do that. >> well, the problem is who's making these things. that's one of the things being discussed, like a.i. there's an old expression, crap in, crap out. so if certain people are the only ones designing that, that's what happens. but that still doesn't mean you should have a government entity regulating any of that. >> let me go to a consumer thing. i want to know that i am being treated as a consumer equally in the state of texas as i am in the state of north dakota.

if an amazon algorithm decides, boy, in texas you have more money and can afford to pay this because i know this by where you live and all this stuff, boy, i'm getting -- that's not fair as a consumer. >> that's called marketing and retail for the past 100 years. >> i get it, but on the other hand if it's unfair practices. >> is it? >> well, here's the thing, privacy issues, i think there will be a privacy bill, especially if the democrats come into power. there's been one in california that's been somewhat controversial. but there will be a national privacy bill. >> will it look like europe? >> i don't know. probably not. i don't think u.s. regulators have ever been as strong as the ones in europe. but there's international issues because the europeans are doing something different, the chinese will do something different. everyone around the world in a global society will do something different. >> what's next week going to look like for twitter an facebook? >> i don't know. it depends who shows up. if we get jack dorsey and sheryl

sandberg, i think they're going to quiz them. i hope they don't quiz them on whether conservatives can speak up, they should talk about issues of the meddling in the elections, they should talk about privacy, they should talk about how did their platforms get hijacked by the russian government. these are critical issues, not whether donald trump is loud enough on the internet, which i think he is. i feel he has plenty of voice. >> i was just going to say the internet has been good to donald trump. >> donald trump should send tech a gold embossed thank you note for the things that it has done, giving him tools and all kinds of ways to get in office. >> so i guess -- you want me to say to regulate -- >> no, no, no. is the strindustry ready to com and say we know we've gotten this big and we need help figuring x out. >> right. >> are they ready to do that with government? >> ink auto they have to engage more with government but as you saw with the zuckerberg hearings, the politicians are clueless about technology. >> it's embarrassing.

>> it is embarrassing. they said mark did really well, well, it's a really low bar. >> i would love mr. zuckerberg to come here. >> i will ask him. >> they haven't. i would love to be quizzed by some of those members of congress too. >> i would like members of congress who know something about technology to do the quizzing. >> i think it's time to let their staffers do the quizzing. do you expect any sort of -- i think donald trump jr. said we'll have a conservative alternative. is that plausible? >> sure, go ahead. >> is there anybody out there that could do it? >> there was rumors of peter thiel and steve bannon getting together and creating their own. i'm sure there will be a digital element to it if they do it. fox news has digital elements. are you kidding? there's so many conservative publications on the internet now. breitbart, all the others. the internet has been very, very good to them. so i don't know if they should complain quite so much. >> their biggest complaint is

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welcome back. tonight i'm obsessed with president trump's morning tweetstorm. more unusual than normal, even for him. those tweets were a plague of defensive outbursts, baseless assertions and outright falsehoods, the kind of statements that have fact checkers working overtime or simply throwing up their hands. but it got us wondering, what if in some seinfeld-like bizarro universe, president trump tweeted the exact opposite of what he tweeted this morning. what would that look like? hmm, would it be more believable if president trump had tweeted something like this.

when lester holt accurately played by tape on russia, i was hurt badly. or how about this, ivanka trump and jared kushner had everything to do with the pushing out of don mcgahn. the news media has it right. has it so right. or how about this one, the legitimate russia investigation had having to do with respect to my decision on don mcgahn. and then another one on don mcgahn. i'm very excited about the person ho will be daying the place of don mcgahn as white house counsel. i never liked don and he was responsible for me not firing bob mueller or jeff sessions. and finally, i just cannot state strongly enough how totally dishonest i am. truth doesn't matter to me. i only have my hate trered and agenda. if every instinct you have is wrong, then the opposite would have to be right. right? [phone ringing]

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welcome back. the trump administration's crackdown along the mexican border isn't just limited to people trying to come here illegally. now a growing number of hispanic americans are being denied passports because the government is questioning their citizenship. "the washington post" reports the trump administration is accusing hundreds and maybe thousands of people of using fraudulent birth certificates since they were babies. the government alleges that some midwives and physicians along the border gave u.s. birth certificates to people who were actually born in mexico decades ago. in a statement to "the washington post" the state department said it has not changed pauly or practice regarding the adjudication of passport applications and the u.s./mexico border region happens to be an area of the country where there has been a significant incidence of citizenship fraud. it happened under george w. bush and the obama administrations too but that mostly ended after a government settlement in 2009. this comes as taking away

people's citizenship is on the rise under president trump. i'm joined by nbc news national security and justice reporter julia ainsley and attorney jaime diaz who represents some of the u.s. citizens w.h.o. been denied passports are had them taken away. welcome to both of you. julia, let me start with you. when did this begin? how pervasive do we think it is? and is this connected to the sort of prediction, if you will, that this was the next thing stephen miller, who's the chief advisor on all immigration issues in the west wing, this is the next step he wanted to take? >> chuck, context here is critical. you're exactly right. we know that stephen miller, the next step he wants to do is go after legal immigration. what we're seeing here is part of this new fraud crackdown from dhs and throughout the trump administration like the state department. they're trying to go after people who maybe lied on their applications and became citizens or became permanent residents and got green cards who shouldn't have. so they want to go back and

readjudicate and take that away. of course what happens and what "the washington post" laid out in this story is a lot of people who were rightfully in the united states end up getting their rights taken away too. as they found under the obama administration, it's very difficult to decide which ones of those birth certificates signed by those midwives in the '90s were legitimate and which ones weren't so they decided it was a fruitless cause and they should just allow them -- take them as legitimate. but this is part of a broader crackdown. from people i've spoken to who represent a lot of immigrants who are trying to move up the ladder, get passports, get citizenships, get green cards, they say before you take that next step you need to go through your record and make sure everything is crystal clear or it could just not even be worth it. it's too much of a risk because of the scrutiny they're doing going back and looking at everything and every application you've put in earlier, even if they were legitimate, chuck. >> let me go to jaime diaz. i wanted julia to begin to help

me continue to sort of lay out the context of all of this. how many clients do you have that have been impacted? how many of them are natural born citizens versus those who went through the green card process and became naturalized citizens, born here versus naturalized, all of those things. i'm curious, what kind of folks are being targeted here? >> here we're talking only about people that were born in the united states. >> how many clients do you have on this front? >> i have represented over 500 people. i presently have probably 30 people that are in lawsuits in federal court and i have represented over 100 of them in lawsuits in federal court where they have been taken away their documents, they have been put in rooms to admit they were not born in the united states. their mothers have been asked to come to the consulate to admit they were not born there and they are detaining them. when they come back, without

allowing them to come back and keep them in mexico. there are many clients of mine that were born in the united states that the government has stopped and kept them in mexico. and the crackdown is starting to be very hard. they are doing every day i see someone in my office. i practice in brownsville, texas, which is at the border with mexico. i can tell you something, that most of them were born in the united states. we even have a soldier that was born with a midwife and he applied to be a soldier and they took him in. he aploiz fplies for a passport they say show you're a united states citizen. >> there was one in "the washington post" where it was a former soldier and he only wanted to give his first name because he was afraid he'd be targeted. he said that the state department told him that they weren't convinced he was a u.s. citizen, that they needed a bunch of the following documents. either his mother's -- evidence of his mother's prenatal care, his baptismal certificate, maybe

rental agreements when he was a baby. this is a grown man. i'm sorry, i don't think my mother has the power bill from when i was born in 1972. is this the burden of proof that's being put on your clients? >> yes. and that is what's going on. they are asking for things that no one has. no one in the whole united states has, prenatal records from her mother. a person that is 40 years old, there's no way they have them. so they're asking for things they know they don't have. people get frustrated. but if you live on the border, there is a need for you to cross to the other side, you have family and things to do on the other side. when they're coming back, that's when they're detained and they're making them sign documents so that they can get away from it. what has happened is outrageous. an opportunity like this to tell the american people what is going on is incredible. we're not talking about people that are naturalized, they were born in the united states and just happen to have a hispanic

last name and born with midwives, but that's still americans. >> did you have any client who didn't have a hispanic last name who had their passport taken away? >> not that i remember right now off the top of my head. most of them -- taken away, no. i have people that i represented that are having difficulty getting a passport because they were born in southern texas with a midwife, but someone that has a passport revoked when they were coming back or through a letter in the mail, no, i have never had it. >> so it does feel as if it is hispanic surnames that get targeted here. julia, walk me through the due process in this. what are the court procedures here? you're accused of this, trying to fight back. where does it go in the system? >> it's really hard to fight back, chuck. you would have to get a lawyer. i know a lot of people who stay outside of places where immigrants are trying to appeal and they know they will eventually come across the street and find lawyers because

it's nearly impossible to navigate this system on your own. they're asking for these documents a lot of people don't have. as an american citizen, yes, you have the right to have citizenship, but that passport, the documents that you have to have a passport, it's not a right to have a passport if you don't have the documents to back it up. and when they're raising this bar, they're actually very few routes to go. the way this was handled in the past was through a class action settlement and that's frequently the way we see immigrants or even u.s.-born immigrants, the children of immigrants seek their rights. that they're able to go through the aclu. they have to come in a class action suit with lots of people and then they are able to get justice. that's what happened in 2009 when the aclu said, look, you can't tell which one of these are legitimate and which ones aren't and we think that it's a very small amount of children that were actually born in mexico so, therefore, you can't discriminate based on them having this one kind of birth

certificate. >> mr. desidiaz, why is the bur of proof not on the government to prove you're not a u.s. citizen. >> the government does not have any way beyond a reasonable doubt that you fraudulently obtained that document. first of all, these are documents that were registered when you were a baby. the only way to prove it is if you knew it was fraudulent when you grew up. so what they to is try to take you away from going to court. that's why they detain you at ports of entry and say stay in mexico. how do you come back -- >> you're not a mexican citizen. what are you going to do? >> it is really -- the stories -- unfortunately i don't have the time to tell you all the stories that i have seen of people. but we have won all those cases. what is sad is after you win all those cases, you would think the government would say, i have to change.

no, they go harder. eventually there will be no attorney to represent these people but i'm here to represent them. >> let me ask you this. how many of your clients that you felt like they were detained longer than they should be thrown in jail and what were they thrown in jail for if they were? >> they get thrown to immigration detention centers. i had a guy that was detained for three days -- >> american citizen? an american citizen. >> yes, sir. >> detained -- put into a detention center and just because, what, he didn't have a passport or they didn't believe his passport? >> no, he had a passport. we have a note that we need to revoke your passport so they put him in a room. the agent said do you want me to treat you as a mexican or u.s. citizen. what i would have told him, like a human being. he has a right for him to hear whatever evidence you think you have. the way they're treating people is not right. >> julia ainsley, jaime diaz, i've got to leave it there. i thank you both for sharing your expertise and experiences

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full display. >> the subway system is owned by new york city. >> the mta has been controlled by the state since 1965. >> can you stop interrupting? can you stop interrupting? >> can you stop lying? >> yeah, as soon as you do. >> i guess they call that a cell phone. that was new york governor andrew cuomo seeking his third term and cynthia nixon, an actress and self-described socialist going at it in their one and only debate before new york's primary. that handshake at the end may have been the most civil moment. >> i'm not an albany insider, like governor cuomo, but i think that experience doesn't mean that much if you're not actually good at governing. >> my opponent lives in the world of fiction, i live in the world of fact. >> we already have a corrupt corporate republican in the white house. we don't need a corrupt corporate democrat in albany as his main opposition. >> she released five years of

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here's what he said about the mueller probe. i view it as an illegal investigation, great scholars, his quote, have said there never should have been a special counsel. this is an answer when asked if he would comply with the subpoena for mueller, he said i'll see what happens there. he talks about mueller being an illegal probe all the time. let me ask this, do any support ers wonder why he doesn't end it? >> the president thinks about it more than his supporters do. >> i think the president thinks about it more than anybody around this table sometimes. >> i think the president's voters are -- we'll wait until the mueller probe is over with and we'll see what he has and we'll evaluate it. it's not something they're obsessed about. washington's obsessed about it. it doesn't need the paper if kenosho. >> he has the power to end these things if he wanted to. >> it's not the prevailing views of members of his party in

congress, that it's an illegal investigation. members of the house say they support the investigation. the president feels like the walls may be closing in on him and he's lashing out. he may be binging cable news. >> he needed something to do. they're glad they scheduled this rally. >> yeah, very well tiemed. >> the special counsel has to know when he's gone past the time limit of when he has credibility. >> what time limit are we at? this is not even at the halfway point. >> he's had more than a year. >> what, you arbitrarily stop because -- >> he has to decide when the public thinks he's gone too far on time and show his cards. >> he has to go until the investigation is over. if he keeps uncovering more crimes -- >> all appointments are political, though, you have a certain amount of political rope. he has to judge where the american public is and whether it's willing to let him go on. >> what i've learned about bob

mueller, not a single person that's worked with him would say he would have ended this investigation if there's no collusion. he already would have ended it. >> we can't tell that until he tells us something. >> we are left here in what is the last chapter. >> brad is not wrong that the issue that resonates, in most of the country, i do think public opinion is calcified on this issue for now. new developments in this case are not necessarily going to move the needle unless they directly relate to the president. i don't know that the fall of people around him is going to affect the midterm elections. it's baked in. it's not like it couldn't affect him at all. >> we're at lay dobor day. if mueller comes back with anything, half the country will reject it. >> i don't think he will do that. >> i think he knows, more than anything, he keeps quiet between labor day and election day. >> then he's pushing up against two years before you know it. it's too long. >> that's why i feel like -- >> this is a trap that giuliani

is trying to set pr-wise which is you're taking forever. >> exactly. why i feel like january 2019 is the time when mueller announces everything. because it's enough time before the 2020 election, but you wait until after this election so you don't have people saying -- >> i'm not missing work tomorrow. i wouldn't miss work tomorrow. tomorrow is the last business day of the pre-labor day to election day window. >> and this is where there's so much at stake in the 2018 elections because whoever controls the house is going to decide what the fate -- what comes of this report that mueller files. now, to the issue of subpoenas and, you know, potentially what the white house would do if he's forced to -- or if he's subpoenaed, they will likely challenge this in court and the president won't likely end up speaking, exert executive privilege. the white house can find a way around this to make sure they don't face any court conviction because it's not -- i'm sorry, indictment because it's not happened to a sitting president so far. congress is going to decide.

>> not to be cliche, 5:00 tomorrow is a big deadline, isn't it, unofficially for a lot of people. we assume mueller wouldn't do it, but tomorrow at 5:00 p.m. is the last time. >> every night is entertaining for this president. >> try putting on a sunday show. we don't find it entertaining, we find it mind boggling. >> you within the wanted things to get more exciting. >> it would be perfect the friday before labor day to have this big thing. >> today we had an arrest of somebody who threatened "the boston globe" using "you're the enemy of the people." sahil, you're the other working journalist here. the u.s. attorney went after and arrested this person. this person, "you're the enemy of the people, and we're going to kill every," there's always this decision, do we alert authorities or not? at this point the guy called so many times they did and, you know, maybe holding somebody

criminally responsible does sort of make people responsible for their rhetoric. >> there were 14 phone calls here of this man using all kinds of nasty language that i can't repeat here. yes, he used the phrase the enemy of the people, where have we heard that before, the president is not condoning violence against anybody, but it's not difficult to see how someone can listen to that, see that rhetoric and not want to do something crazy. >> this has always been our point. the president needs to say he doesn't mean it. thank you all, we'll be right back.

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that's all we have for tonight. we'll be back tomorrow with more "mtp daily," 5:00 p.m. tomorrow is a big deadline, perhaps in the mueller probe. "the beat" starts right now. aman aman. >> in tonight for ari melber, covering several developing stories for you this hour, new details about donald trump and michael cohen's close relationship with the "national enquirer," including a plan to buy back decades worth of dirt they had on trump. plus, all eyes on florida with the republican run, desantis denying his controversial comments had anything to do with race. we begin with breaking news. in a new interview trump calling the mueller probe