just leave it rooted right where it is, and let the spanish moss grow. >> that's all for this edition of "dateline extra." thanks for watching. >> a good saturday morning to you. i'm at world headquarters in new york city. 4:00 in the west and here's what we're watching this morning. a celebration of life as washington says good-bye to senator john mccain. what to expect at this morning's memorial service with former president's george w. bush and barack obama giving eulogies and more. >> the president gets into a new night with the media. >> they actually printed my off the record. they said president trump said off the record and then they go

on to this -- i said this is the first. these are very dishonorable people. >> misguided loyalty to his master. attorneys for a former trump advisor make an argument about why their client should be spared jail time for lying to the fbi. >> we're going to start with this morning a live picture of the capitol hill rotunda where the body of senator john mccain lies in state for just two more hours. 9:00 a.m. is when senator john mccain will be carried to the u.s. capitol by armed services body bearers. senator john mccain being the third person to lie in state, an honor fitting the life he lived and the legacy he leaves behind. the memorial service when it starts includes some 30 parts, all to celebrate the life of senator mccain. numbering at least ten hymns or

anthems at the national cathedral. messages from family and friends including george w. bush and barack obama as mentioned. mccain's kcasket and garrett, te stop holds so much significance to the mccain family. and what can we expect when they do stop there? >> reporter: this stop here will be brief, but it will be as you said, so important to the mccain family and to the larger family of vietnam veterans and pows of which john mccain was such an integral part. they'll stop here at the memorial for a few minutes. we expect to see cindy mccain, john mccain's widow come out and place flowers or a wreath at the foot of the vietnam memorial and when you think about it, this is one of those parts of john mccain's life, everyone knows this part of his biography, but

really those folks at home have no purchase with it. how can you possibly understand the kind of things that john mccain went through during his five years in captivity? a lot of folks who come to this memorial day after day, his fellow pows, really do understand that and this will be that moment, that silent solitary tribute to that such an important part of john mccain's life and remember, that was not his only purchase with these p.o.w.s even after coming to the senate. he cochaired a committee with john kerry, his fellow vietnam veteran where they disagreed on so much about the war but worked together to help normalize relations with north vietnam some 20 years after the war had ended. so a very big part of john mccain's life. some of his fellow p.o.w.s will be at that ceremony later today, but this is kind of the one stand alone element, this silent

me mirl to his service and to his suffering in north vietnam. it will be a big, big part of this week of remembrances for the senator. >> all right. thank you so much there. joining me now, julia manchester, reporter for the hill and host of the faqnyc podcast. you heard what was said there by garrett, an important part of the family, their narrative, certainly of john mccain, what he went through but also representative of his very energy, his very soul and his emotion that he has carried through his decades of service there on the hill. >> right. and that's where he sort of started his career in public service. he used that biography when he was running for the congress and then leader in the senate to help explain the work that he was doing. i actually had an opportunity to go and visit that exact prison

where eh had been held and it's remarkable the kind of person he developed into having seen where he had come from. and the eulogy that was held for him at the capitol with two presidents, people from both sides of the aisle coming forward, what you really got to see is people mourning the life of a patriot, but also they were sort of lamenting the current state of politics today. you can almost imagine what they were saying about john mccain was contrast to the type of p l politics that we're seeing coming out of the white house right now. and john mccain is able to bring huge parts of the countrying to and sort of give one more statement about how much he feels about the current add menstruati -- administration. >> this is the detail, what the ceremony will entail and it will have a tribute by megan mccain and for all those who are watching again this week.

it was a very difficult week, certainly for all friends and family of the mccain family. but you saw megan mccain there again at the capitol, really heart wrenching. jimmy mccain also will be reading a poem at the ceremony too. >> yeah, you know, definitely very heart wrenching images coming out from the mccain children. i was really struck by an instagram picture she posted the other day of her, lindsay graham and joe lieberman saying i miss you dad, uncles forever. it's so fascinating to see that level of bipartisanship. joe lieberman served as a democrat leader and independent but you don't see -- and i'm -- i'm kind of driven back to the vice president biden's eulogy in arizona. you don't see this level of bipartisanship and decency.

it's really an end of an era and looking back to this week's primary race, it's already gotten so ugly and it's truly -- i mean, i would argue that mccain's death is just an end of a time of civility and decency and politics and right now it seems like it's gotten so ugly at this point. >> and reflect on what julia is saying there. will this be forgotten come sunday? this very idea of what john mccain represented snit's been talked about certainly since his passing. how long will this halo be here for? >> i think julia is correct. it's an end of an era and they're using this moment of john mccain to contrast and stark relief in politics today. every time we see in the foreseeable future, every time we see a partisan attack, every time we see someone who's acting, putting party before country, people are going to

remember the service of john mccain, sort of what he stood for moments from his two presidential campaigns and i think this is going to be remembered even stronger as the days go forward. >> julia, to the president now, he's attacking bloomberg news over some off the record comments he reportedly made about canada as they try to negotiate a new trade deal. let's play for you what he said at a rally in north carolina last night. >> i said, off the record, some things about canada. nothing bad. fortunately. that would have been -- but the kind of the comment you'd make off the record and it says off the record and i gave a statement. it actually said. and they gave it out and it's a big story today. but here's the good news, at least canada knows where i stand because we can't have these countries taking advantage of the united states anymore it's very simple. >> so the president alluding to

something that we journalists use very often, off the record, blah blah blah, tell us what you think and it's off the record. >> yeah, so -- >> what happened? >> yeah, so these comments from trump i don't think are a surprise. however, he's going to use this whole scenario to really drive this home to his base, his feud with the press and i think this is something that his base will eat up. i mean, this is something he can use to say that the press is untrustworthy or they're out to get me so this could benefit him with his base. i don't know how it's going to play with other voters but i don't know exactly what happened with bloomberg news and the star and how all of that came out but politically the president is going to use this in the midterms and going into 2020 for example. >> today on another topic,

september 1st, one of the dead looirns, rudy giuliani gave special mueller to end the investigation. let's play for you a little bit of what giuliani told my colleague yesterday. >> you've said there's -- should be a september 1st deadline for mr. mueller to finish whatever he is to finish. what if he doesn't? >> rel september 7th would be the date. the justice department has a rule that you should stay out of politically charged investigations within 60 days of the election. i hope he respects that. >> or what? >> well, nothing. i mean, otherwise it just affects how people look at the legit ma legitimacy of his investigation. >> how does the trump team justify these attempts to discredit the nvinvestigation while this happens. you saw the poll showing a number of americans do agree

with it and then we have this deadline that's going to probably come and go. >> i think they're using the customs and habits of the fbi and the justice department to say don't go forward, stop it. we have an election. now, obviously that hasn't always happened in the past. remember 2016 but i think what giuliani is trying to do is shape the public perception and do something about those numbers that you just had on the screen. if the public is giving more credibility to the mueller investigation, if the public is saying hey, there really is something here, please go forward, we have -- we have belief in what the prosecutor is doing, they have purchase here. giuliani's job is not to win this case in an actual courtroom but do it in the court of public opinion and putting out these ideas you have to end it by a certain date. he's really looking at those public polling numbers. >> all right. thank you so much. appreciate your time.

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so new this morning some ensight into why a former aide lied during the campaign. the attorneys for george came to quote save his personal aspirations and preserve a misguided loyal to to his master and we continue, out of loyalty to the new president and his desire to be part of the

administration he hoisted himself upon his own. they want him to get probation. let's bring in our legal analyst, and you know, danny, the very wording obviously lawyers very careful in that sort of stuff in that statement about the former campaign aide there. master is apparently president trump in this case. how big a deal is this in the statement that came in overnight. >> one of the biggest things you want to advise your clients not to do when they talk to federal investigators is end up on their own and that is what happened with papadopoulos. this revelation tells us that an

idea it was and loyalty or perceived loyalty to a boss and if you are protecting a boss in the course of a federal investigation and you misrepresent anything to investigators or u.s. attorneys, then that's where you get into false statements. section 1001 and we're seen a number of individuals in this investigation so far fall prey to that tricky statute. >> i want to go to tom winters reporting. he leads his article by saying this. court filings say he should not have been advising trump. to say george was out of his depth would be a gross understatement. what do you think? >> well, i think that's not -- that is -- i agree with that statement because from the outset, i think when you look at the history of who he spoke to and how that got reported and how he thought he could massage his way through speaking to federal investigators, it seems from the beginning and i see

this a lot in federal investigations that he was a classic small fish way in over his head who thought he could just tell a few white lies to investigators and get himself extricated from what could be a complicated situation and what he found as do many federal criminal defendants is that a little white lie on the front end can mean a lot of prison time on the back end and it should be avoided. >> so the question is how much damage he could do to the president. it looks like they're trying to underplay or downplay his significance and his connections to the president. >> on the one hand there is an argument to be made that he was so low level that how could he possibly have any information on the president or those people close to him and you can expect that's what you might hear. >> it's a no big deal sort of argument. >> exactly. and cooperating witnesses have this tremendous incentive to

embellish the u.s. attorneys who will be deciding whether or not they cooperated to the government's satisfaction. sometimes these low level cooperating witnesses may not have been involved in the activities, but they observed them, so it's one of those, they may not have participated but it's see no evil, hear no evil. maybe they did see evil, maybe they did hear evil. >> this is another former trump associate, roger stone saying he expects to be charged soon in mueller's russia probe. >> an astounding statement for him to say that because he is the master of brand and getting his mage out. for him to say that must mean on some level he believes it and if nothing else it's sorts of a dare to the mueller team and a dare that u.s. attorneys are always happy to take someone up on if they challenge them to

pr prosecute them but it's got to be a very scary moment for roger stone as with all of these defendants so far who have now felt the full weight of the united states government in the form of the mueller probe bringing to bear against not only what they may have done in terms of russia, but once that pandora's box is opened and all their finances and history are examined, people like paul manafort have learned that very little has to do with russia for you to land in a united states prison for a very long time. >> all right. thank you and of course we just touched on some of the topics we could have today. thank you so much, sir. stormy daniels in the headlines again. what she told vogue and what the president did not say in a new interview. in a new interview. your hair is so soft! did you use head and shoulders two in one? i did mom. wanna try it? yes. it intensely moisturizes your hair and scalp and keeps you flake free. manolo? look at my soft hair. i should be in the shot now too. try head and shoulders two in one.

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about the payment to stormy daniels. as she and her lawyers continue to give interviews like this one to vogue magazine. president trump refusing to say when he knew about the payment telling bloomberg news i don't want to get into it. there's no campaign violation whatsoever. >> let's bring back julia manchester. what do you make of this, the reaction to what the president is saying? stoo t st >> the stakes are higher because of michael cohen's admission implicating him in court last week, so with that admission comes the stakes of impeachment being raised higher if democrats are able to take back the house. there's a political element as well but on the legal side i would say the president is really trying to watch his back at this point because of so many different answers that have been given by him and his lawyers over this payment over the past few months. so i think the president, the stakes are higher and he's definitely trying to be helpful.

>> certainly avenatti is a master of this drip, drip, what do you make of this vogue reporting? >> very funny line from stormy daniels when she's asked about the exact encounter and she says what can i say about two minutes. >> oh, my. >> but the more this story is is talked about the weaker trump looks and it's not just a public perception. it's the legal problems coming out of this. there's more evidence coming out. cohen seems to be the guy who went from i'll take a bullet for the president to here's how to get him and this story serves up as another reminder that there's a lot more here and this may be more damaging than what robert mueller is able to find. >> you remember last weekend we were saying this is one of the worst weeks for this presidency. we're now a week later we have trump over a barrel reporting coming from a former spy.

that is what we're hearing right now. we have sam patton, we were talking earlier ability papadopoulus. how does this compare to the week before? >> this week is muddled compared to the week before. i think the president, he had a rally this week and i think the president does well in campaign rallies. we're also looking at the bloomberg reporting. that's definitely going to play into that and he's going to take an advantage over that. i wouldn't say this is worse than the week before but i think the president is trying to prepare for the midterms and we're seeing him be a bit more careful with this whole stormy daniels scenario, so i think the president is preparing. >> preparing and a very busy week there in the capital as well as in arizona. thank you both. that does it for me. thanks for watching. speaking of which, up next, your business which j.j. ramberg is coming up and of course we invite you to what we're talking about earlier to watch our msnbc

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