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i'm richard lui in for david gura. up next, francis rivera. >> thank you. hello, i'm frances rivera at headquarters in new york. coming up this hour, kavanaugh in the hot seat, he is in the hot seat this week, expected to get grilled by the senate judiciary committee as the confirmation hearing begins. trump versus canada. president trump picking a fight with canada and congress over a nafta deal, threatening to kill it altogether if congress interferes. and the presidential sendoff for john mccain. mourners gathered today at the national cathedral with both presidents george w. bush and barack obama eulogized the war hero and long-term-time senator. we begin with the bombshell in new york times and the reporting from the times in a fbi program, designed to flip the russian oligarch, including
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deripaska. paul manafort according to official, an associate of deripaska. according to the times, two players in the program effort to bring bruce ohr and president slammed ohr to discredit him for contact with steele to compile the dossier on trump. the "times" met they met with deripaska in 2015 and again in 2016, when fbi agents showed up at deripaska's door investigating ties between russia and the trump campaign and mr. paul manafort was the link for the trump campaign. and joining me is a natasha bertrand and from bloomberg news, kevin cirilli and from the daily beast, francis fluid.
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so we have a lot of people. manafort and russia. and how are we connecting this dot based on the reporting. >> this underscores how important deripaska is to the entire manafort story. he did business with paul manafort between 2006 and 2015 and he would have been very useful in telling the fbi, for example, what manafort was doing overseas what his connections to oligarchs was. and deripaska and manafort had a falling out and he was in debt by the time he joined the trump campaign so it makes sense that the fbi, especially in september of 2016, would have wanted to ask deripaska, why were you talking through an intermediary, the associate of paul manafort, about getting briefings on the trump campaign in exchange for debt relief for paul manafort. was there any kind of communication between members or associates of the russian
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government and paul manafort himself. so all of this kind of also gets to the heart of whether or not there was a conspiracy between the campaign and russia and the new report is interesting. >> and there is no secret he sought to discredit bruce ohr because of the contacts and the "times" is reporting here that they did not want mr. trump and his allies to use the program secrecy as a screen, so they could cherry pick facts and present them -- the context to under mind the special counsel investigation. so kevin, does that suggest the president knew about this program, the true nature of the relationship between ohr and steele and looking to discredit -- or what level is there. >> we don't know yet. it is clear this administration has consistently tried to continue to attempt to keep the republican party in lock step with the president's criticisms of the entire russia probe. and there is some polling to suggest that that has worked.
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based upon the republican party has not deserved the president despite his attacks of the russia investigation. but i think that the bottom line is that the total strategy the administration has used in attacking the u.s. intelligence community and this came to a head not within the latest bombshell new york times report but within the past month and we've seen some top and trustworthy u.s. intelligence officials make their case known that this type of attack against the intelligence community is not something in the long-term in the u.s. best interest. >> and this is interesting in the reporting of the time line when you look at the efforts from the fbi to -- for 2014 and 2016 and the reporting here that the fib agents came unannounced and uninvited to deripaska's apartment in new york city to find out more about manafort. so how damaging is that to the white house given the fact that the fbi spoke to him in that
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time about manafort being linked to the trump campaign and the kremlin. >> i don't think there is anything in this new york times story that will change any of the posturing or messaging coming from the white house and from that i mean by president trump himself. as far as president trump is concerned, bruce ohr, christopher steele and the fbi and doj are nothing more than a part of the vast network of deep state actors trying to undermine him and his presidency and trying to do so since before he even entered the white house. and no amount of new york times reporting will change the president's posture on that and that is because in large part because if you talk to people who have known the president for a long time and work with and for him and also if you just observe his behavior that he exhibits publicly, he gets the vast, vast if not majority, if not all of the information he has on this from tv shows. from his allies on fox news. and this is someone who the
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president of the united states has deep access to the most classified information in the country, if not the world and he's getting his marching orders on bruce ohr and christopher steele from things like "fox and friends." >> before this news broke and that new york times report, natasha, we were talking about this reporting, especially when it comes to the associated press that claims from bruce ohr he was told that the russian intelligence had trump over a barrel, according to multiple people familiar with that encounter and what do you take away from that encounter. >> this was not in the dossier, something that christopher steele told bruce ohr over breakfast that a russian intelligence officer had said and one of his sources inside of russia had picked up in his conversations with members of russian intel, and that is significant because that means that members of the gru and the
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fsu were discussing the fact -- or the notion that they had compromising information about the president that was causing trump to act in certain ways. that was essentially blackmail. and it is something that we had not heard before. the entire dossier is one big description of a conspiracy between the campaign and russia that hinges on this idea that russia had kompromat on the president but having christopher steele tell bruce ohr that is something they said, that makes it more stark. >> at the start of the day, the news was that the -- the memorial for the late senator john mccain, with a lot of people in the country watching that, a lot of people in d.c. watching that. but the president managed to get the tweets out. we'll talk about all of them. one of which was about a very questionable report claiming that there were no fisa hearings before granting the fbi authority to surveil carter page, a member of the trump campaign. we have to point out that no
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fisa court holds hearing of any kind where the target of a warrant is represented. so kevin to you, as we delve into this, what stands out most about the president's comments when it comes to that. >> the fact that he's still having to comment on it. look, we can have -- i think there is a lot of reporting that would contradict the president's tweets that have been made in the public domain. but the fact that they're still having to comment about carter page, ten and a half weeks before the mid-term elections is not precisely the type of argument that they want to be making to independent voters, one would argue in battleground congressional districts across the country. >> or also the timing when it comes to the tweets as well. coming at a time where the services are happening and we saw that happened during the funeral of barbara bush. often the timing of these particular tweets, does that suggest the president is really starting to feel the weight of
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the pressure from the mueller investigation now? >> well i think the pressure has been on for quite sometime but you mention the word timing. something about the timing of these tweets, these flurry of tweets on several subjects this morning is that it came during the time of john mccain's high-profile funeral event and the washington national cathedral here in washington, d.c. when various high-profile republicans and democrats were gathered to mourn. and the president of the united states of course on his phonetic twitter feed has had nothing to say and nothing complimentary to say about john mccain and then he headed off to his private golf course in virginia and honestly, the way it is going so far on saturday, i think you can sense a rather bit of relief from senior white house aides. so one senior trump official told me earlier this week that as long as the president doesn't hate tweet mccain on saturday,
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they consider that a minor victory of public relations. >> curious to see the minor victory is the president tweeting with threats to congress about nafta in the same breath when many lawmakers were in the national cathedral for the services as well but he managed to talk about nafta and everything else this morning. >> i think the president just really hates it when the attention is not on him so with all of the mourners gathered for john mccain's funeral he felt the need to turn everything back on to himself. he of course -- was not invite and barack obama and george w. bush were giving the eulogy so i think that probably ate at the president. not just the fact that he wasn't invited, i don't think he cared much about that, but that he wasn't getting -- he wasn't the center of attention made him angry. >> something to be seen in the past time and time again. so thank you for being with me here and natasha and kevin and
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the america of john mccain is generous and welcoming and
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bold. she is resourceful and confident and secure. she meets her responsibilities, she speaks quietly because she is strong. america does not boast because she has no need to. the america of john mccain has no need to be made great again, because america was always great. >> senator john mccain's daughter meghan mccain with a swipe at president trump during a passionate eulogy for her father this morning. george w. bush and barack obama sent a message to trump while highlighting mccain's impact on american politics. >> he respected the dignity inherent in every life, a dignity that does not stop at borders and cannot be erased by dictators. >> so much of our politics and public life and public discourse can seem small and mean and
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petty. trafficking and bomb bast and insult and phony controversies and manufactured outrage. john called on us to be bigger than that he called on us to be better than that. >> president trump has been publicly feuding with mccain for the last few years and was not invited to the funeral. tomorrow mccain will be laid to rest in a private ceremony at the u.s. naval academy cemetery in annapolis, maryland. efforts to rename the russell senate office has stalled after members of his own party refused to back the bipartisan idea. the building is named for a segregationist democrat richard russell. joining me to talk about it michael singleton and former hud deputy chief of state and adrian lie from the hillary clinton
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2016 presidential campaign and we start with you sher michael, you have several republicans asked about this and ways to honor john mccain and in this one specifically, so here are some of the responses. so far david purdue called it troubling and tim scott is open for discussions and richard shelby who defended richard russell saying he was awell respected senator. and so why the resistance and the republicans hesitating to replace a legacy with john mccain. >> look, i would go back to the statute's argument and people think that is a weird parallel, but a lot of republican voters at the base was really concerned particularly with republicans speaking too much as it relates to taking down the statues because they perceive it as a change of the culture, as trying to change history. i think the same argument would be applied to changing a russell building to the mccain building, despite the segregation has
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passed and as an african-american it -- would be against but for many republican voters they would more than likely demand the senators not change the name because the premise is in doing so you're attempting to alter history and we cannot do that and learn from it and move on. so republicans are extremely cautious with wanting to jump on the band wagon and some won't say he -- say i won't support this in the republican states. >> as senator john mccain's -- the 2008 campaign manager rick davis read from the parting letter on monday and john mccain took a shot at the president. let's get a reminder and listen again. >> we weaken our greatness when we confuse our patriotism with trifle rivalries that have sewn resentment and hatred and violence in all of the corners of the globe. we weaken it when we hide behind
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walls rather than tear them down, when we doubt the power of our ideals rather than trust them to be the great force for change they have always been. >> so what does it say about those words from mccain and the democratic segregationist then honor john mccain. >> i can't figure this out. first of all, this is introduced by senator chuck schumer who is the minority leader in the senate to actually change the name of the building after a democrat to a republican, a democrat as you mentioned who is a segregationalist and it t doesn't make sense. i think this is -- you have a lot of republicans who are afraid that president trump will tweet at them or say something publicly negative about them if they support this legislation. you've got mitch mcconnell saying let's appoint a task
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force to how to honor mccain. it doesn't make sense. in my view this is a bipartisanship and i understand where michael is coming from by saying if you get into the habit of renaming buildings, that takes away from the history of why the building was named after that person, but i can't think of a greater honor, especially given the fact his office was in the russell building so it makes sense to me. >> and in speaking to that, you brought up a good point when it comes to mitch mcconnell, not really addressing the issue but having this bipartisan group, trying to figure out what the options would be and not a committee but -- but it has some people referring to it in that sense, and a task force, really not something that gets a lot of progress in that sense. so will this break the mold and see change from it? >> no. i guess the idea in theory would be to sort of have this symbolic
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approach, if you will. but to your point, most of the time when these task forces are established, they really don't go anywhere. and even after they do produce something, we really don't hear much of anything from them. so i think it is sort of a measure to say, yeah, we want to do something here, but i don't think it is a measure to say they want to do something serious. again, going back to my original point, i think it would be great to honor senator john mccain by renaming the building, but again, thinking of the politics, i've worked on a lost campaigns and understand republican voters and i know how those individuals would perceive this and for the members in the senate, their staff members and advisers will tell them to be cautious about this because we are coming up for election and we don't want to risk upsetting our base over another culture issue. >> and this is going back and forth here at home. you have nato who said it is considering requests and also the european lawmakers to name a building in its headquarters
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after john mccain and then getting support and backing from senator marco rubio. he voiced his support in a tweet, there is no greater support of nato than senator. i'm drafting a senate resolution supporting the naming of the new nato headquarters after him. so in that sense, it would -- is it because it is outside of the boundaries of the united states, it is easier for that to happen versus republicans to support renaming the building -- >> absolutely, it is easier and not here and not named -- not named after a former u.s. senator and it is easier to make the case, sure, let's rename that building versus renaming a building that is already in existence and again a lot of videos, republicans would become very upset. i'm not saying that i agree. but what i'm simply trying to do for the audience sake, to get them to understand why republicans are hesitant to speak positively about such an act or change and also why many
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of them will particularly those from the south will flat out say no, we can't do this, because this is trying to change or alter history because of this guy's past, let's figure out another way to honor mccain. i don't agree with it but that is the argument. >> last word and what is the half way or meeting point here? >> the bottom line is we rename buildings in the united states of america all of the time. it is not uncommon. so i certainly understand where he is coming from and i understand where republicans, those in the south would not want to get into the habit of renaming buildings. but this again to me, i don't know if it is because it was introduced by senator schumer, but to me this makes absolute sense and something you don't want to do all of the time in the senate or in federal buildings. but i cannot think of a greater honor than to rename the russell building in john mccain's honor and i hope more republicans will turn around and follow suit. >> we'll hear about the debate i'm sure. to both of you, thank you. >> thanks so much.
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we return after the holiday week and jump off with a big battle, the confirmation hear for the supreme court pick brett kavanaugh and republicans and democrats are gearing up for a contentious fight. joining us now is jamie small and also legal analyst danny cevallos. so thank you for being with us here. we're looking at this, danny, when we have this information from the trump administration hanging on to tens of thousands, almost a hundred pages -- >> 102,000 pages. >> 102,000 pages of documents when it comes to brett kavanaugh and the time in the white house and presidential privilege is the reason why we are not able to see this. >> it is an interesting position when you consider that a law firm, several law firms have gone through this at the direction of president bush because obviously cavanaugh worked under bush reviewed the
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dpom -- the documents and provided them to the white house and the doj and then they came back and said of those that you provided us, 102,000 of them we're keeping confidential because of executive privilege. and without more information, it leads one to wonder what exactly that privileged material is because if you look at the same letter publicly available online, the attorneys say president bush directed us, explicitly to error on the side of transparency so it is interesting that once the trump administration had a pass, there is all of this detail why they withheld different documents for a number of different reasons. sometimes they were duplicates or nonresponsive and then to the doj part, there is not a whole lot of information. admittingly these are not the attorneys for the white house and they may not be privy to the information but it seems like the white house said, these additional 102,000, we're just with holding them and we won't give a ton of reasons why. >> you won't see them.
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and chuck schumer calling it a friday night document massacre as far as holding that back. and we know democrats want review of executive power and privilege and in light of the russia probe, how do we expect that to be addressed by kavanaugh. >> everyone expected kavanaugh to say he will remain open minded and independent about the investigation but to be noncommittal and to pretty say he won't recuse himself from that case. so if any hypothetical cases come up where we -- on whether or not the president could be charged or indicted for crimes given whatever is found by mueller in his investigation, kavanaugh will say and every indication is that he won't recuse himself but he'll keep an open mind and listen to both sides of the case and decide it like any other supreme court justice would. >> and when it comes to that -- what do you see the direction will be taken when it comes to
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the kavanaugh confirmation and the mueller probe. >> juris prudent suggested he may see the president as unindictable and not able to be prosecuted or arrested. it appears that kavanaugh's view of the world is the sole recommende recommend -- remedy for a bad president is impeachment. this and minds could differ as whether the only option is impeachment and then removal from office. but with that in mind, that he has that sort of history of a -- a more expansive executive power, it is very interesting when you contrast him to gorsuch who takes a different view. he believes it expanded so much as to be called a behemoth in his words. >> if i could just -- >> sure. >> if i could respond to what danny was saying about kavanaugh and it has changed over time to be fair when he was a part of an investigation into bill clinton,
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he actually advocated that bill clinton should be grilled, he should be drilled about his affair with monnicu lewinsky and other issues about potentially breaking the law and he wrote memos very harsh to the president and he should be held to a certain standard and account and later on in 2009 he wrote a letter and gave a talk where he said, you know what, in the years since, having my position has evolved and seeing how much work the presidency is up front and up close, i don't -- think i would not want to allow a president to be questioned or indicted while he's still a sitting president. and so the question is really what -- which kavanaugh will we get should president trump be indicted will it be back in the ken starr days or more like in 2009 saying, we shouldn't bother the president, he's too busy. >> i want to ask you, with the news in the past weekend about don mcgahn and that tweet where everybody found out he would be
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out -- and shepherding kavanaugh through the process and what are the implications and when he leaves and after kavanaugh's confirmation and where does that leave it? >> is that for me. >> sure. we'll start with you. >> sure. yeah. so, yeah, i mean, look, kavanaugh had his last practice on monday. where don mcgahn was there and he's been shepherding the process and bringing in senators to play roles of different senators that are going to be questioning him in front of the judicial committee next week so it is important that don mcgahn stays through the confirmation because he was leading the confirmation but after he goes, as kavanaugh's confirmation is done, it is clear he will leave the white house and moving on and going -- but i think for sure he'll stay through the nomination itself. >> and danny, before we have to go, but the difference when it comes to that, pre-mccann white
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house and post. >> it is hard to say. to the extent that kavanaugh was prepared by this white house under don mcgahn and now don mcgahn may be leaving and i think he'll be prepared for a grilling, hitting roe v. wade and the issues about brett kavanaugh and we'll see fireworks no matter what. >> wish we had more time to talk about the cousin ski coming out with that. and thank you for being with me. and a programming note. rachel maddow will host a special report on brett kavanaugh monday at 9:00 p.m. here on msnbc. still to come, a different picture of the aftermath of hurricane maria in puerto rico and why americans living along the southern border are being denied u.s. passports. denied u.. precision machinery and high-quality materials from around the world. nobody else even comes close.
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the washington post reports that hundreds of americans living along the border are being denied passports, throwing citizenship into question. and in some cases passport applicants with official u.s. birth certificates are being detained and deportation proceedings brought against them. the state department said the policy hasn't changed but in a statement to nbc news, applicants whose documents are suspect are asked to provide additional documentation. and further noted that individuals unable to demonstrate they were born in
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the united states are denied issuance of a passport. more on this is attorney darrell rayes and a contributor. good to have your perspective. explain your understanding of this. if someone has a piece of paper, a birth certificate or a passport, and yet citizenship questioned -- >> this is a complicated situation. it does have a back story. in south texas, there are many people -- when they have children they use midwives because they are not close to medical facilities and there is a financial factor and back in -- between the '50s to 1990s there were some midwives and scattered instances of midwives who fraudulently marked children as born in the u.s. who were born in mexico. these were scattered instances and then in the 1990s there was some investigations and the george w. bush administration cracked down on these. the result was a lawsuit by the aclu and then a government
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settlement. so that sort of ended it. >> and that was in 2009. >> yes. and now things have mostly -- things have not really changed since then. what has changed is that the trump administration is now reviving this practice of making people prove that they were born here and the way it is different from the bush administration, back then te would build a case against an individual saying we believe your birth certificate may be fraudulent because of a. b., and c., you must provide the documents. >> why a., b., c. >> if it was a home birth or a midwife with fraud and other circumstances that they were not american nationals, but what is different here is that now the trump administration is putting the entire burden of proof on individuals. they -- the government is saying we are not going to prove you are not american. it is telling people you prove that you are and to give you an example of the type of cases, there is one gentleman in "the washington post" article, he's an army veteran, former border patrol agent and working as a
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state prison guard in his 40s or 50s and the government is telling him we don't believe you are an american. so you look at it -- in two ways. one is this is sort of an assault -- it is sort of an assault. >> by the trump administration -- >> for america can americans in south texas so you have potential due process violations, equal protection violations, even violations of the settlement that the government agreed to because that settlement laid out clear-cut procedures an policies on how to handle the cases. the trump administration is proceeding with this and digging up cases on a scale that the bush administration never did. they were scattered back then and now there are hundreds and even thousands of cases that the most troubling part is when you look at this controversy in the context of the trump administration immigration policy, obviously they are cracking down on undocumented immigrants and refugees and putting restrictions on asylum
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seekers and trying to take citizenship away from certain people who have been granted it in the past and so this is the next step. now going after hispanic americans. >> i want to bring in -- really quickly a federal judge on friday declining to halt the program. the court will not succumb to the temptation to set aside legal principles and substitute the jumt in lieu of action if the nation wants to have a daca program, it is up to congress to say so. what is your take on that? >> this is a temporary victory. and daca stays in place and people were surprised the judge would rule this way because they thought he would strike it down. but the judge -- texas brought this lawsuit, cannot claim irreparable harm because daca has been around for years now and there is no benefits and he said the likelihood would be greater hurt to all of the young people who are living their lives, serving in the military and they would suffer the greater harm. so he's not doing anything with
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it yet. but the uncertainty continues and it is in place for now. >> for now. key word. thank you. a fantastic job in puerto rico but we've put a lot of money and a lot of effort into puerto rico and i think most of the people in puerto rico really appreciate what we've done. >> that is president trump giving his administration high marks for handling of hurricane maria. despite the number showing a drastically higher death toll from last year's storm. from the beginning trump adjusted the spon-- response to maria better than what happened after hurricane katrina. >> if you look at a real catastrophe like katrina and you look at the tremendous hundreds and hundreds and hundred dollars of people that died, and you look at what happened here was really a storm that was just totally overpowering. nobody has seen anything like
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this. what is your death count as of this moment? 17. >> 16 people. >> 16 people certified. 16 people versus in the thousands. you could be very proud of all of your people, all of our people working together. 16 versus literally thousands of people. >> well that was updated to 64 back in december and now researchers at george washington university estimate that maria caused almost 3000 deaths in puerto rico. by comparison of that, 1800 died during katrina. president trump's remarks are reminiscent of george w. bush praising the fema director as thousands remained stranded in glaad waters. >> right now the immediate concern is to save lives and get medicine to people and stabilize the situation. again i want to thank you all for -- and you're doing a heck of a job. the fema director is working
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24 -- [ applause ] >> they're working 24 hours a day. >> remember, brown would resign a short time later. well katrina and maria were very different storms. the story of human suffering are similar. hurricane maria struck puerto rico as a category four storm last september. 155 mile-per-hour winds causing that widespread destruction and left the entire island without power and it took a year for the grid to be completed and restored. the process marred by missteps impacting almost all of the island's 3.4 million people. hurricane katrina was a category three storm when it hit the gulf coast 13 years ago and not just a natural disaster but a man-made one as levies flooded 80% of new orleans. the crisis led to deaths across six separate states and affected residents for months and even years. forget these images -- we can't.
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both president trump and george w. bush appeared to lack empathy. president trump tossing paper towels to a crowd in a relief certainty and bush flying over new orleans on air force one instead of viewing the damage from the ground. and in both storms federal and local leaders blamed each other. >> president donald trump taking aim at san juan mayor after her public plea. >> i am done being polite. i am done being politically correct. i am mad as hell. >> the challenges that we face on the ground are unprecedented. but there is to doubt in my mind we'll success. >> 20,000 people are coming here. they're not here. it is too dog gone late. now get off your as and let's do something and fix the biggest [ bleep ] crisis in the history of this country. >> you can't put a price tag on the loss of life but the damage
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talks between the u.s. and canada seems to the breaking down, following the president's tweak, there seems to be no reason to keep canada in, popping up all over twitter. facebook groups, focus on buying canadian goods. the u.s. with 8.4 billion trade surplus. we will talk about it. heather long, washington posteconomics correspondent. great to have you in front of me. who will take the biggest hit. dairy.
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who else will be hit the hardest. >> there are eight million u.s. job that is depend on canadian trade. second largest to china. many border states, north dakota, wisconsin, new york, nnlg, a host of states that export a great number of goods to canada. we have very good, solid trade relations with canada it is hard to understand the president's reticence with them. >> different when it comes to the tweets of our president. you wrote in an recall article that trump is playing tough with canadians, but he needs them. >> vulnerable without canada. >> there are 8 million job that is depend on trade with canada.
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canada is the other thing to keep in mind, as much as he is playing tough with canada. two of the three biggest state that is have jobs depending on canada are michigan and ohio. key states for the president. he knows that so does the white house. >> what are they hoping to get when it comes to this deal here? >> it is interesting, had we been part of the transpacific partnership, that president opted out of when he got into office. some of the issues with canada would have been resolved. in an effort to renegotiate nast a we missed an opportunity to get whatever we wanted, whatever canada wanted, whatever mexico wanted out of that deal. we wouldn't have been going through this if the president entered t.p.p. in the first place. the president, when he tweets about putting tariffs on
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canadian cars, there is no canadian car makers. >> when it comes to the preliminary trade agreement, when you break it down, 75% of autoparts must be made in the united states, and mexico, 40 to 45, by workers making $16 an hour. >> why is this deal with mexico good with snus. >> two levels, everyone agreed an agreement that was struck in 1994 needed too be updated for the digital age. the other side is a push to get more american jobs back in manufacturing is clearly president trump's goal. i spent a lot of time talking to autoindustry experts, they say, if this deal goes through, and canada signos what has been
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negotiate, car prices will go up in the united states. number two, we may get a few more jobs in the united states and canada, higher wages, that could be a win, interestingly, we may stop producing some of the smaller cars, it will be too expensive to make in the united states. there is good and bad of what is coming from this. >> and wages, the average autowage is $22 in the united states. and mexico, $3.22. it is more likely that mexican wages would go up. and the u.s. would come down. chinese negotiations, and the president's threat to impose tariffs may start as well. particularly, it won't get easier in the delocation with the talks with canada. >> and renaming it. >> the u.s. mexico trade
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disagreement. >> we are halving it half-nast a there is no nafta without canada. by the way. >> still to come, more on the new reports showing the fbi and justice department official bruce orr. and more about the 2016 election.
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at world headquarters in new york. we begin this hour from new reportering from the new york times. a man so close to valdimir putip, he was known as putin's oligarchs. >> the time reports that they contacted him as they investigated if manafort.