tonight on "all in" -- >> this russia thing with trump and russia is a made-up story. >> the russian government had donald trump, quote, over a barrel. >> no puppet, no puppet. >> tonight, new reporting on what christopher steele told a justice department lawyer. >> i think bruce ohr is a disgrace. >> and why the president and his allies are trying to destroy bruce ohr. >> bruce and nellie ohr with the bonnie and clyde of collusion. >> so far every indictment is unrelated to the president. >> foreign money traced to the trump inauguration fund, and another guilty plea produced by the mueller probe.

and donald trump's emergency visit to texas to help ted cruz. >> i call him lyin' ted. >> donald, you're a sniveling coward. good evening from new york, i'm chris hayes. there is a reason that the president of the united states has been waging an all-out public war against an obscure career civil sevrvant because h reportedly had information in the summer of 2016 that russian intelligence believed, quote, they had trump over a barrel. the civil servant in question is long-time justice department lawyer named bruce ohr. unless you watch a lot of fox news, you probably don't know anything about him. ohr has spent a decades-long career prosecuting violent gangs and organized crime, developing a special focus on russian organized crime. for all those years since he first became a prosecutor 27 years ago, ohr was basically just a guy who went to work

every day doing his job, investigating some pretty dangerous people on behalf of the u.s. government. until he ended up involved in the special counsel's russia probe, and now despite having been accused of no actual wrongdoing, bruce ohr is public enemy number one to the president and his allies. >> tonight we are blowing this case about bruce ohr, fisa abuse wide open. i've been on the phone with sources all day and all night. >> i think that bruce ohr is a disgrace with his wife nellie. for him to be in the justice department and doing what he did, that is a disgrace. >> he gets information, passes it to the fbi. that becomes the basis to spy on the trump campaign. plain and simple. >> that last part is not actually true if you followed the investigation, but just a couple days ago, the president himself tweeted about ohr who is again, a career civil serve anxiety. how the hell is he still employed at the justice department? disgraceful.

witch hunt. he's also threatened to strip ohr's security clearance. no one has produced any shred of evidence that ohr did something wrong. nevertheless, he is now the key villain in a far right conspiracy theory claiming that the whole russia probe was made up out of thin air by the president's political foes. it centers on ohr's relationship with christopher steele, the former british spy who compiled that explosive intelligence dossier on the president's alleged ties to russia and on ohr's wife, nellie, who worked for the research firm that hired steele to investigate then candidate trump. that firm was conducting opposition research first on behalf of republicans and then on democrats. now, bruce ohr first met steele over a decade ago when they happened to know each other because they were both investigating russian corruption and russian organized crime. he was the one that steele contacted when he started carrying troubling information about a candidate for president. now, we're learning for the first time about what steele told bruce ohr over a breakfast

meeting on july 30th, 2016. sources telling the associated press that in an congressional interview earlier this week, ohr said that he learned from steele that an unnamed former russian intelligence official had communicated that russian intelligence believed they had trump over a barrel. russian intelligence believed they had trump over a barrel three months before the election while he was running to be president of the united states. and that breakfast meeting came a little over a week after wikileaks released the first batch of hacked dnc e-mails and three days after trump asked russia for more help. >> russia, if you're listening, i hope you're able to find the 30,000 e-mails that are missing. i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> bruce ohr has something significant in common with several other justice department officials targeted by the president and his supporters. as natasha bertrand, frequent

guest on this show points out, many of them are experts in organized crime, some with a focus on russia. andrew mccabe who led a task force, lisa page, a former lawyer in the justice department's organized crime division whose cases focused on international money laundering. peter strzok, a former fbi agent who was chief of the bureau's counterespionage section and hunted russian spies in the u.s. all of them publicly maligned, all forced out of their jobs under pressure from the president of the united states. to help understand what bruce ohr learned from christopher steele and how it fits in the broader russia probe, i'm joined by malcolm nance, a former career naval intelligence officer, and matt miller, former chief spokesperson at the justice department. malcolm, let me start with you. the details here about ohr having that breakfast with christopher steele to me is sort of -- goes along with the theory that steele is digging this up and starting to get super

panicked about what he's finding. >> well, he should have. because christopher steele was the head of the russian desk for british intelligence, mi-6. he would know. he would have seen decades of patterns of activities and operations starting to come to a head and see that pattern of influence through oligarchs, through russian mafia figures and then through politicians and russian intelligence start to focus on donald trump. this had to have occurred. i wrote a whole book about how it had to have occurred. for christopher steele as an intelligence professional like myself to see it, you're going to panic and you're going to wonder am i working with a politician who has been crafted by a foreign intelligence agency. that's why he wrote his dossier, that's why he took it to the fbi. to tell you the truth, he's more of a patriot than most people i've seen in the republican party. >> the timeline here is interesting, matt. you've got -- this is right at the sort of crucial juncture.

carter page goes off to moscow. you get wikileaks releasing the hacked dnc e-mails, which is the first alarm bell. you get trump's telling russia to keep hacking. three days later ohr meets with christopher steele. and then they open up the investigation not because of ohr and steele but because of the tip from the australian diplomat who's got george papadopoulos running around saying russians have hillary clinton's e-mails. >> the timing of that meeting is incidental. christopher steele was separately reaching out to the fbi later on in the summer and taking them the findings of the dossier, which they used to supplement the investigation they had already opened based on the information they had received about george papadopoulos. i think if you look at what the president is doing to bruce ohr, he's trying to do two things. one, he's trying to make him the latest scapegoat to discredit this investigation, the same way he's done with andy mccabe, lisa page, pete strzok. the other thing he's trying to

do is he's trying to put pressure on the justice department. not just pressure on civil servants like bruce ohr but pressure on the leadership of the justice department. the thing that disappoints me so much, we're not seeing the justice department back off its investigation. but if you look at what's happened to bruce ohr, he is a distinguished prosecutor who didn't do anything wrong in this investigation. there's no allegation -- credible allegation of wrongdoing. but in that same story that came out today, jeff sessions and rod rosenstein apparently removed him or so he was told because in his position as the leader of this organized crime task force, he was going to have to interact with the white house. so white house pressure led him to being pushed out of an important job despite any evidence at all of wrongdoing. a completely inappropriate act by the leadership of the department. >> malcolm, you're nodding your head. >> yeah, i am nodding my head. matt makes a great point here. what the white house is doing is they are essentially trying to turn ohr into rick gates so that

they can sort of massage the jury pool, the future jury pool for an impeachment and say, hey, this guy is not credible because he was involved in this and he's dirty in some way. he's dirty in one way, all right, and he's not actually dirty. he is the man that hunted russian mafia figures that were money laundering dollars that they had stolen from the liquidation of the soviet union into the u.s. real estate market. donald trump must be terrified of him and everything that he's known. but like everything that we already have discerned with the mueller probe is this is going to be a document case. mueller is going to have 10,000 things on him discrediting ohr is not going to work. >> and you've got the situation now, with page and strzok, matt, to get back to your point, there's no accusation of wrongdoing. with page and strzok there was. they had had an affair and

conducted parts of it on government phones, that was against protocol. it's the reason they were in trouble, the reason everyone read their texts. in this case the democrats in congress are accusing republicans of leaking things that ohr had. again, he didn't do anything wrong. the guy is like -- they accused republicans of cherry picking portions of e-mails and text messages between steele and ohr who were supposed to talk to each other to bolster a narrative that they were part of a conspiracy against the trump campaign. >> he had this breakfast and he didn't do anything. so chris steele has this relationship with the fbi. he's talking with them and feeding them information. the fbi breaks that relationship off with chris steele in october because he goes to the press. he looks and is concerned the fbi is doing nothing with this information. the fbi is mad about that. but after the election he continues to talk to bruce ohr and the fbi decides, you know what, this is still valuable information for us to use.

we can't use him as an official source but we still want to know what he has so bruce ohr is a condue it. all of his meetings with chris steele, he talks to the fbi beforehand, he takes the information and funnels it to the fbi. he does exactly what he's supposed to do. now, what the justice department says is because he didn't report that to his superiors in the deputy attorney general's office that was a mistake. you know, i can see that -- a little bit of that argument, but look at what was happening at that time. it was during a transition. there was an outgoing deputy attorney general, sally yates. you can see why he wouldn't want to unfairly tarnish the president when she was leaving. then you had a new a.g. and new deputy attorney general coming in immediately looking like they might have their own exposure. jeff sessions in his confirmation hearing didn't tell the truth about his involvement with the russians, so you can see why he'd say i'm not going to take this to the leadership but i'll take it to the fbi and that's exactly what he did. >> malcolm nance and matt miller, thank you both. appreciate it. for more on the president's

personal campaign against a career civil servant i'm joined by neil. when you take a step back here and the details of what happened in the russia investigation and the details of the conspiracy theory being woven, you have the president of the united states using his power and leverage to attack over and over a civil servant in the career justice department. have you ever seen anything like this? >> not in america in recent years. we have the pendleton act in 1988 which is basically to say that we don't want a politicized career civil service and we haven't had one. what the president has done here is a massive mega departure from norms to say that this deep state -- it's not just bruce ohr, but he's on a campaign waged against a federal workforce. our federal workforce, the pendleton act set it up this way

because we don't want americans fearing that the people that read our tax returns or something like that are political, and they're not. i served twice at the justice department, once in the solicitor general's office, all with career deputies and career lawyers, and once in the deputy attorney general's office where mr. ohr works. both times staffed with career people, and honestly it would bring tears to your eyes to see how nonpolitical these folks are day in and day out. it was incredibly inspiring to me. to have the president say this kind of stuff, you know, yes, it's a theme on "homeland" the tv show but it's something you wouldn't expect in america. it's something chavez did in venezuela, it's something erdogan did in turkey, but this is not the american government, at least since 1883. >> it's not a violation of the law because he still has his job, though were he to be fired it seems like he might have a case. >> a great case. >> i think he's got a pretty

good case at this point. but even if he's not fired, what effect does this have on how people do their job? this is the most powerful person in the world. you're just a random dude who works at the justice department. you go about your life. you are now on tv every night. the president is tweeting about you. that's got to have some effect on other people working in the federal government wondering if that will be their fate. >> absolutely. so other random dudes and dudettes are going to leave because they fear the same kind of treatment. that's number one. number two, anyone who's worked in the federal government knows federal government hiring is all about a competition for talent with the private sector. you're fighting and you don't have the salaries that the private sector offers but you do obviously have the mission. and that's really important. president trump, i think, has shown through his own hiring he doesn't really care about talent very much. just look at the people around him. but that's one thing if it's his personal folks. but we're not talking about the american people's folks, the

workforce for all of us day in and day out. what he is doing is effectively driving out the good people and once he drives them out, he can replace them with his own loyalists and then we're going to be stuck with mediocrity and politicalization for years to come. >> is there a line that he would cross -- i mean short of firing, is there any way for ohr to contest his treatment currently or does he just have to sit there and be berated by the president day in and day out? >> no, i think he does have actions available to him now. obviously that's a tough thing to sue your boss while you're in the job. >> right. >> but look, there is no doubt that there are going to be any number of actions taken -- filed against the president because of this kind of nonsense behavior that he's engaging in. and it's bad for the individuals who work there, but most importantly it's bad for the

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yet another person pleaded guilty today and agreed to cooperate with the special counsel after an investigation that stemmed from the mueller probe. this case was referred by the special counsel's team to the u.s. attorney office for the district of columbia, much like michael cohen's case was referred out to the southern district of new york. the person in question, sam patten, is a republican lobbyist who worked on behalf of ukrainian interests. he pleaded guilty to failing to register as a foreign agent. he also said he used a u.s. citizen as a straw donor in order to buy four tickets to the presidential inauguration on behalf of a ukrainian oligarch. can't do that. while the deal isn't with mueller, it does explicitly require him to talk to mueller.

your client shall cooperate fully, truthfully, completely and forthrightly with this office, the special counsel's office, and other law enforcement authorities. here to put this latest plea deal into perspective, roslyn helderman, reporter for "the washington post." tell me about who patten is, first of all. >> sure. he is a long-time republican operative/consultant. he had done some work for the george bush campaign in 2000 and like a lot of people employed in this field, he had sort of traveled the world doing work overseas. he had also run for a time the office of the international republican institute, i believe, which is a organization dedicated to spreading democracy around the world affiliated with the republican party. he had run that office in moscow where importantly he first met konstantin kilimnick, the associate of paul manafort who we have heard a lot about in the

paul manafort case. >> so he is -- kilimnick, just to remind everyone, is the sort of russian intelligence linked deputy of paul manafort. he's the one who receives the infamous e-mail from paul manafort when he gets the job as campaign manager. how do we use to get whole. like i got the job, have you told oleg. how do we use it to get whole. that guy has connections to patten, you're saying. >> yes. and the charges today are very much about that guy. i think one of the things that we learned today is that bob mueller and his team are very, very interested in konstantin kilimnick. he opened a company jointly with sam patten, the man who pled guilty today, in 2015 and they used that company to do lobbying work for ukraine, which is the charges that sam patten pled guilty to today working as a

lobbyist for a foreign party without properly registering with the u.s. government. >> there's also this straw donor issue, right? what exactly was the scheme? >> foreign citizens can't make political contributions in the united states, not to campaigns and not to inaugural committees. so patten was working for this ukrainian politician oligarch who apparently wanted to come to the inauguration. to go to the inauguration, you have to give money to the inauguration. so basically what patten did was working with kilimnick, he found an american willing to give or act as the straw donor and that american officially was on the paperwork for $50,000 but in fact the money came from this ukrainian businessman. they got four tickets and the ukrainian businessman and patten attended the inauguration. >> you know, whatever -- if taking aside the question of what the trump campaign did vis-a-vis collusion, what does seem clear is there are lots of

kremlin-aligned interests at various stages constantly pinging and pinging and trying to get to the trump folks. >> yeah. in fact the inauguration is sort of the interesting moment where you can sort of see that come together. we've done some reporting about just the unusually large number of russian businessmen, kremlin allied folks who all come together in washington to literally celebrate donald trump's inauguration and election. >> yeah, and of course that's also when you start getting michael cohen getting these payments from a firm that's owned pie a russian oligarch. that oligarch also at the inauguration. so this is one data point in a cluster of quite a few. >> yeah, that's right. that's a day that increasingly seems especially important. that's the day they all come together. >> rosalind helderman, thanks for your reporting and thank you

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there have been a lot of stories about white supremacists and racists in this administration, and i suspect it's not a coincidence. the latest, ian smith, that's his real name, a former homeland security official who was an e-mail contact with a white nationalist. one man wrote, quote, so it's settled. we know my home shall remain

judenfrei. that means free of jews which the nazis use to describe of areas where the jews had been expelled or killed. smith responded to the group. they don't call it fry tag for nothing. i was planning to hit the bar and talk to people like prominent neo-nazi matt parrot, i should have time to pop by, though. this comes after jared beaty was fired after he had spoken at a conference attended by white nationalists. joining me to discuss this is michelle goldberg and rosie gray who first broke the story. let me start with you, rosie. there's a spectrum of people. there are a lot of people who have lost their job in this administration for things they have written or said, facebook posts about the president or michelle obama, birth certificate. i am still kind of catching my

breath from the nature of these e-mails. who was this guy hanging out with? >> well, what i reported is that basically ian smith was in e-mail contact and appears to have been involved in the planning of social events with a circle of sort of younger white nationalists in washington. you know, people with ties to institutions like the national policy institute or american renaissance and he appears to have known these people. >> yeah, but i just want to like -- i just feel like that language is maybe a little excessively polite. if someone is writing you an e-mail saying the party is going to be judenfrei. that's a nazi. even if it's in tongue in cheek, that's a tongue in cheek joke -- >> it's an ironic joke about their own anti-semitism, right? in much the same way that some of the same people who are in this e-mail chain were videotaped doing the hitler salute with heil trump after the

election, right? so it's ironic but not ironic, the anti-semitism is 100% sincere. >> what was ian smith doing at the department of homeland security and what was the chain of events that led to him being fired, rosie? >> well, he was a policy analyst at dhs working on immigration. actually "the washington post" had a good story yesterday that explained a little bit more about what he was up to within dhs. as far as him leaving the department, you know, i reached out to dhs earlier this week and they -- the next day basically i learned that he had left and they sent me a statement condemning racism and condemning his radical ideology. >> just to be clear, so he's working there for a while. you reach out saying i have information about who he's hanging out with, who he's in correspondence with. they then fire him? >> what i learned is that he had tendered his resignation.

it seems pretty obvious that it was connected to my reporting. >> he is not the only one. carl higby said all sorts of violent racist things. he was fired and then sent off to the trump super pac where he did a bunch of events with mike pence. they just headlined events together. >> this is the third kind of uproar about administration connections to white nationalists this month. there was also a white house speechwriter who left after it was revealed that he had spoken at a conference alongside white nationalists. peter brimelow who is one of the white nationalist speakers at that conference was invited to a party at larry kudlow, the white house economic advisor's home. larry kudlow then said, oh, i didn't know what his views were. everyone knows what this man's views are. i think that one conclusion we might want to draw from this is that this is a white nationalist administration. not everybody in the administration is white

nationalist, but it's certainly an administration that has white nationalist policies, white nationalist sympathies, the president regularly implies white nationalists and outright white supremacist rhetoric like when he tweeted that lie about a genocide of white farmers in south africa and actually directed the state department to then investigate this white nationalist conspiracy theory. there are, i would wager, more outright white nationalists in this administration than there are black people. >> ian smith was a political appointee, right? this was not someone in the civil service, obviously. >> that's my understanding, yeah. >> so you've got people that are -- people think about who's in the white house, right? but there are all kinds of people in the agencies and sort of at the top of the agencies that are the political folks who it's very easy for them not to -- like if you hadn't broken this, "the times" hadn't broken this, who knows how long he

would have been there is my question. >> right. obviously he was not somebody who was particularly well known. i imagine if i hadn't written the story he could have continued to labor in obscurity. >> and labor in obscurity on immigration policy, attending meetings stephen miller was running to craft the vision of how the united states will enforce its immigration laws as regards refugees, nonwhite people. >> right. well, that's why this is such a significant story because it appears that ian smith played a not inconsequential role in shaping u.s. immigration policy. >> stephen miller is someone who is the one running those meetings, of course, knew richard spencer duke. >> right. >> although he says that they had nothing to do with each other, even though they ran in somewhat similar circles. >> and the speechwriter that left wrote speeches for richard spencer. and the immigration policy that we have, the policy that we have towards refugees and increasingly towards american citizens at the border is

exactly what you would expect if a bunch of white nationalists were running that part of the u.s. government. >> you've also got a president -- you know, remember, the president of the united states said that africa -- said haiti and other african nations were s-hole countries. >> it's in front of our face. it's just such a living nightmare that we've all become accustomed to and once in a while something happens that reminds us just how horrific this is. >> do you know anything more about who these folks were that he was e-mailing with, rosie? like the people setting up judenfrei dinner parties? >> i do. some of the people that he was in contact with include activists such as devon socia and others. i can give you the full list if you want. >> the names are obscure -- hopefully, obscure racists and white supremacists in washington, d.c. >> to sum up, yeah. >> that interesting that such an underground exists and is

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in the case of lyin' ted cruz, lyin' ted. lies, oh, he lies. you know ted, he brings the bible, holds it high, puts it down, lies. >> matter of principle, and i'll tell you -- >> you are the single biggest liar. >> he holds up the bible and then he lies. >> we learned today that president donald trump will be holding a rally for senator ted cruz in october. trump tweeted he'll be picking the biggest stadium he can find. there's a lot of big ones in texas. as senator cruz attempts to beat back an unexpectedly tough challenge from congressman beto

o'rourke. just kind of fascinating because the relationship between donald trump and ted cruz has been one of both mutual contempt and mutual convenience. you may recall that when the two were both candidates in 2016 and cruz was showing a little traction. trump retweeted a picture of heidi cruz and melania trump with the caption the images are worth a thousand words and cruz responded with this. >> i don't get angry often, but you mess with my wife, you mess with my kids, that will do it every time. donald, you're a sniveling coward and leave heidi the hell alone. >> so will you support him as the nominee? >> i'm going to beat him. >> spoiler alert, he didn't. just a couple months later trump suggested ted cruz's father might have been involved in the assassination of jfk, a bit of reporting he picked up from "the national enquirer." >> his father was with lee harvey oswald prior to oswald being shot. the whole thing is ridiculous. what is this, right prior to his

being shot and nobody even brings it up. they don't even talk about that. that was reported and nobody talks about it. but i think it's horrible. >> it's true, no one talks about that. here's how ted cruz responded to that. >> donald trump alleges that my dad was involved in assassinating jfk. now, let's be clear, this is nuts. donald's source for this is "the national enquirer." it's tabloid trash but it's run by his good friend, david pecker, the ceo, who's endorsed donald trump, and so "the national enquirer" has become his hit piece. i'm going to tell you what i really think about donald trump. this man is a pathological liar. >> even at the republican national convention when trump's nomination was crystal clear, cruz couldn't bring himself to openly support him. >> stand and speak and vote your conscience, vote for candidates

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>> i don't need to be on the show. you does me perfectly. >> do you think we are looking at another wendy davis situation here? >> i don't threatening is a straight line, i think there are sdncht cases, the national media are swooning top orouk. it is the baelthss landing at jfk. he is a talented candidate. the most talented democrat since

ann richards. the most empathetic democrat to run. it is blood red in texas. he has to turn out more democrats that typically turn out, and hope that they are turned off by ted cruz or donald trump or both. that is the only way it math works. >> every time i go back to the republican primary, it is fascinating to watch republicans be honest about the freakish awfulness that they see in this guy, donald trump. you watch person after person have this reaction. what kind of nutty liar am i up against? they have all eaten that, ted cruz, who has to beg the president to come to texas. >> when i was watching that, there was a moment there, ted cruz, you sympathized with him. he was honest and genuine.

all of that is in the rearview mirror. the red state gives a republican, no matter how good or how bad he is a big lead. the polls are closer than they should be. perhaps that is part of the fact that ted cruz spent a lot of time running for president, not being a senator. he has an abusive, obnoxious personality. voters fleeing the republican party. we will have to see if it is enough to get him across the finish line. >> i don't want to jennifer's point, i don't want to lower the bar here. given the terrible performance of stid wide for years, decades. to me, all of the dat ark the president announcing this today. the club for growth, coming in

with air support for ted cruz it does suggest for his perspective it is a race. this is a real thing they are encountering. the cruz campaign would tell you itself, they are not taking this race lightly. he out-raised them, more carb on hand. all 254 counties, he is getting as we said, all of this incredibly positive press attention. to jennifer's point about the polls, the same poll for the governor's race. abbott. the democrat, running for governor, nothing like betto. in the same polls, single digits n some cases, mid or low. they show a 20-point, as that

race being a focal point for democrats, all things to the side. they see an opportunity here. it is a closer race. >> jennifer? >> i think that reason ted cruz is doing so much worse, he is a worse candidate than abbott, red cross is her opponent to knock down. you may not have split voters you may have voters who stay home. i don't know what i want to do about cruz. the danger is in the mobilization and getting people to affirmatively vote for ted cruz. some will have a gag reflex. i think it was a mistake to agree to five or ted cruz keep

on mr. charming or that nasty, crashy guy we saw him in the preside presidential, strangely inverted. cruise wants them for football season. the last time we had a debate, friday night, during college football season. nobody saw it and the governor's race, again, only debate, friday night. >> the cruz bet s ultimately, the fundamentals are the fundamentals.

the better shape i am in. is that strategy? >> he is a master gebaiter. cruz has been debating for years, back to years at princeton. he has never had to do this and may not have a command of issues, i would say that cruz people, i have seen betto, he talks in paragraphs, a better commuter, than they give him credit for it. is a risk for him to put himself o'rourke, may be better off not debatin debating, maybe, he would rather not debate. >> there are a ted cruz is dumping in a lot of negative campaigning.

i am not a long-haired hippy, here are my views, ted cruz thinks he is a great debater, he didn't win a syndle republican debate in 20 that he was n when he gets in his stage, he thinks he is the smartest guy in the room. he didn't win any of the debate, can he control himself, and not condesense to o'rourke, long enough to stay on the stage? >> talk about the possibility of his father's involvement to the jfk assassination. what a bizarre time we live n thank you both. >> three-day weekend, better time to catch up. we ended up if you are

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