also tomorrow, tomorrows he will be testifying. former cosby actor geoffrey owens will be on tomorrow. we will see that tomorrow. "hardball" is next. active volcano. let's play "hardball." good evening, i am chris matthews in washington. and here, just blocks away from 1600 pennsylvania avenue, the lava sparks over the horizon. the president of the united states is said to be volcanic in his rage over a staff and his administration that under cuts

the minute he leaves their sight. this very thought now drives trump to heights of fury and some say derangement. and this is the level of fear and mistrust inside the white house tonight. 24 hours after the anonymous official release describing the resistance to the president inside his administration. with his competence in question, president trump's anger appears to be escalating. describing the president's mood as volcanic. axios says trump is suspicious of hand picked aides inside the white house. and according to one friend, he can trust only his children. 25 senior level administration denies the article.

yet, anxieties are hundredirunn in the west wing where the president and his aides have launched a search party for the mole. according to the "washington post," aides analyzing language patterns to try to discern the author's identity. or at minimum, where the party works. the sleeper cells have awoken circulated among texts and allies. there it is, treason. then the president cited national security grounds to demand, catch this, that the authors be revealed. if the gutless anonymous person

does indeed exist, the times must for national security purposes turn him or her over. sarah sanders publicly urged supporterssk of the "new york t" in other words, the times made up the article. anyway, joining me now is ashley parker, jonathan swan and brett stevens. that is close to home where we are getting tonight. jonathan, it seems to be that the president's behavior is far more frightening than somebody writing op-eds. this president is talking treason. he is saying that the times should turn over the author, his

identity or her identity to government. like they committed some treasonous crime. what is trump talking about, government taking into captivity. >> this op-ed has touched a nerner nerve. and the nerve is trump is already paranoid about the government he overseas. last year obsessed there being leakers inside the white house. he said to our sources, there are snakes everywhere there are two issues, trump suspects people who work in his white house and broadly than that, across the administration, he sees this vast sea, this deep state, he believes it does exist.

and he can't fathom the idea of a career official. yes, political appointee, suspect. if you worked over-obama, how could you possibly work for me. that is his mindset. trump's organization is a family business. it was basically about a dozen core employees, his cfo has been with him since fred trump. he enters the white house and there is a sea of people he has never seen before. there used to be meetings where trump turns around and scans the wall. >> ashley, you guys are in the business of covering the white house. you are all acting like it is the dismay, the mistrust, that he has reason to wonder about the disloyalty of the president. they talk to the press all day

long. >> he absolutely does. and it is not just the leaks that he has reason for concern. the fact that you even just take this op-ed, and it was stark and striking that a senior official chose to write that and have it published in the "new york times." but in terms of everyone we have talked to, the actual content of what the op-ed says was surprising to no one. these are a number of sentiments that people share themselves, among themselves and to reporters. this sense of betrayal and paranoia, the president in some ways told people in his mind he feels vindicated because of suspicions that he has had. the op-ed makes him believe that he was absolutely right in feeling how he has felt. >> before we get to the 25th

amendment which is a right of the cabinet members to take away his presidency. i want to get to another point. he only trusts his blood children. he only trusts ivanka. this sense that this is not a republican, lower case r government. when i saw that family members, when i saw jared and ivanka at the mccain funeral, weird. they are not part of our governing people, they are family members of the president who yell out when they are challenged, i am the first daughter. a weird sense of entitlement which is scarey. >> i think, i am sure he said that. i have no reason to doubt that

he said that. it is a bit more nuanced than that. there are a group of people around him i would say a dozen. that he has actually grown comfortable. you don't get leaks out of air force one flights typically unless there are outsiders on the flight. >> ashley, do you buy that that there is a core around trump. a core beyond his blood relatives? >> i think that is true. i think it is an incredibly small group. you to have remember, this is a guy who ran a family business, came into government not knowing a ton of people. but there are people who do surround him who he trusts and are familiar faces and comfort creatures. hope hicks is a classic example. they have left the administration, but if you see the president every day and in and out of the oval office,

doing what he asks for, there is a level of comfort that extends beyond blood relatives. >> many are expressing solidarity with the person who wrote it. two officials told axios they agree with the sentiment of the column. many wishing we should have been the writer. elizabeth warren of massachusetts called on officials of the trump administration who see trump as unsteady to invoke the 25th amendment and remove him. >> if senior administration officials think that the president of the united states is not able to do his job, then they should invoke the 25th amendment. >> brett stevens, take some time here, you have written op-eds, i

don't think people are able to write them off the street. it is a well-written article and in the middle of it is an illusion to the 25th amendment. >> the 25th amendment should have been invoked within three days of the presidency of president trump's inauguration. it was clear to anyone who watched him ascend to the republican nomination and the presidency himself that he was unfit to be president. the 25th amendment is not going to be invoked. sad as that is. he has the cabinet solidly behind him. he is going to be removed i hope because i believe he has committed felonious acts. and will be impeached. the only way we will get rid of this presidency is by organizing a proper opposition to him.

ratify what so many of us have been saying and known about the president for these past several years. the real story of this op-ed isn't who wrote it, it is the fact that anyone could have written it. john kelly could have written it. secretary mattis could have written it. rex tillerson could have written it. any number of cabinet officials who have had interactions and they are making the same point. what this op-ed does is simply drive home something in a specific way something that so many of us know and live and deal with every day that we are writing and thinking about politics. >> ashley how does that resonate with you when you talk to people on or off the record, is there a sizeable number of people who question this president's fitness for office? >> a number of people agree with the substance of the op-ed, that was actually the one area where

when you bring it up, a lot of people inside and outside the president's orbit say they don't go that far. they think that is a bridge too far and they think in a way it is undermined the power of the op-ed. there is rumblings of that, but never in way that i have been able to nail down. >> going so far to characterize the op-ed in the times as a coup. >> who ever this anonymous super patriot is who wrote this hit piece in the "new york times" i would argue dangerously published. who can't stand there is a new sheriff. >> a coward. writing anonymous. what he ought to do is resign. >> this is a coup.

a cooky coup. coo coo ka chew. these betrayers should stand up and be counted and get lost. >> anybody who would write an anonymous editorial smearing this president who has provided extraordinary leadership for this company so hhould not be working for this administration. they ought to resign. >> when it comes to finding the author of the op-ed, and this by the way is a civil libertarian speaking. rand paul. i think it would be acceptable to use a lie detector test. he wants to use a lie detector test. what do you think? >> jeff sessions suggested he

wanted to do a similar thing with a lie detector. >> trump wants to throw them in jail. >> that is an idea that would instinctively appeal it trump. i don't think they are going to do it. but i wouldn't dismiss it. let me go to ashley, and then jonathan and bret. this is the hunt for red october. they have everybody to cooperate and coordinate their denial. it is like 12 little indians. make sure everybody says it wasn't me. none of your people have done this either, haven't said, like the speech writers over devos' office. they haven't been covered in this denial program, have they? >> no. and one thing we learned is senior aides in an effort to

calm down the president said, our theory is, this was not a senior advisor, in their minds, this is their guess, a mid level, a lower level staffer, when the name, if and when it comes out, everybody will say who? >> senior administration official. what does that make in your trade craft in your style book? do you refer to senior administration official as someone who is not at least a second, one removed from the president. someone who reports to the president, that close to be a senior? >> two points. i am just reflecting the theory inside the white house. and in trump's orbit. but i will say that senior official is a pretty broad term in the sense that it means different things to different news organization and different reporters. and it is a question only the

"new york times" editorial board can answer and we have asked them and they are not providing clarity. it does open up for this quite large parlor game. >> i remember all the president's men, who is this source of yours? is this some clerk? what do you mean by official? how high up. i think it better look like one when this comes out. and i think it is. >> if it turns out to be, there was a thing where this person felt the need to say a top official told me. >> if it is sort of under secretary that nobody has heard of, somebody who doesn't have access to the president, that is embarrassing. >> let me tell you this, american enterprise institute type, someone who loves op-ed

piece, someone who probably end up being over there after this administration is done. can do without any staff or clerical or technical official, that is not a cabinet official. ashley parker, jonathan swan, bret stephens. senator bob corker said the white house had been an adult day care center. plus, supreme secrecy, brett kavanaugh avoided answering questions. doesn't the american public deserve to know where he stands on this. and donald trump is surrounded by people who don't think he is fit to be president. let me finish with trump watch. this is "hardball" where the action is.

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to his own devices do you think the president is a threat to national security? >> i think there are people around him that work in an effort to contain him. >> wow. typhoid mary do you think? that was tennessee senator. that was a red state. bob corker last october sounding the alarm about this president's behavior. charge was backed up by anonymous senior aide official writing many trump appointees have vowed to do what we can to preserve our democratic institutions while thwarting mr. trump's misguided. other warnings, in his up coming book "fear". cohn told associate he is never

going to see that document. got to protect the country. here she goes. >> continue to deceive this nation by how mentally declined he is. how difficult it is for him to process complex information. he is not engaged in some of the important decisions thatt impac our country. joined now. gentlemen, thank you. in the excitement about the president's crazed reaction, we skipped over the content. the content was that this president, we need to be protected from him by his top people. >> two big pieces of news in this anonymous piece. one was about the 25th amendment that there have been whispers among cabinet members or in the

cabinet about invoking the 25th amendment. and the other is that what the writer describes as an organized resistance, but an effort among officials who work for president trump to contain him. and that they kind of know each other and they are doing this in concert. that is an amazing thing. that this group of people who are saving the country from the president. >> like the guardrails, that the people don't know how to bowl, those guard rails to make sure the ball chanstays in the lane. >> how do you enact policy that the president is not advancing. >> apparently this is something that they are able to do. they were able to circumvent a number of policy in a number of

different ways. it seems to me that this so-called resistance. >> let's go to the broader thought. the article says there are two lines of reality in this administration. what is portrayed as a somewhat crazed policy, and this other policy we are going to keep russia in control. totally different effort. >> i think the so-called resistance, the other line of government counts on two things. one, president trump is unacquainted with details. he doesn't want to get into the details of anything except the disposition of washington. he is very, very into that and what happens. >> but he doesn't care why we have troops in the 38 parallel.

>> and they count on his attention span which is n negligible. he flips from thought to thought. almost random. his attention pspan is somethin that they can take advantage of. >> at the cabinet level, the state department level at the pentagon, actually have conversations on how they control and contain this president when he goes loopy. >> there probably is. we speculated on this. >> probably is. >> there are things that the president has said that we don't think is great policy. >> the idea of ike, of eisenhower of people around him containing him. or reagan.

nixon, they did have people. >> they had to contain him. but isn't it perfectly plausible for example that in advance of a meeting on a given subject in the oval office with the president, if it involves foreign policy, isn't it plausible that the secretary of defense and the secretary of state and maybe the director of central intelligence might have a huddle, a phone call might come to some sort of common position and might agree not to present other potential positions. >> does it bother you that a bunch of guys meet in the bathroom, they get together and they go what do you make of that? does that bother you? >> it is one thing if they have the meeting before and say we ought to figure out a way to circumvent this policy. it is another if the president says do this and then go to the bathroom and say we are not

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welcome back to "hardball." could be the most consequential shift in decades. shifting this to the right for generations. brett kavanaugh has been evasive, cagey and simply unresponsive to the most pressing issues. let's watch. >> can a sitting president be required to respond to a subpoena. >> i can't give you an answer to that hypothetical question. >> in my office, you told me that you would provide no assurance -- is that still true in public.

>> i can't give assurances on a specific hypothetical. >> do you agree that a plastic firearm created with a 3d printer could be regulated or bands without creating second amendments questions. >> so consistent with judicial independence on a case like that. >> a question unable to answer was from kamala harris. a law firm retained by president trump in the russian probe itself. let's watch that back and forth. >> did you speak with anyone in that law firm about the bob mueller investigation. >> i am not remembering anything about that. i want to know a roster of people. >> so you are not denying. >> i don't remember anything like that. >> here is what he said a few minutes ago.

>> were you a party to a conversation that occurred regarding special counsel mueller's investigation simply yes or no. >> about his investigation and you are referring to a specific person? >> i am referring to a specific subject and the specific person i am referring to is you. >> who was the conversation with? you said you had information. >> that is not the subject of the question, sir. the subject of the question is you, and whether you were part of a conversation regarding special counsel mueller's investigation. >> the answer is no. >> thank you. and it would have been great if you would have said that last night. thank you. let's move on. >> i am joined by senator blumenthal. i don't know what to make of that back and forth. the senator could have told us who she was talking about before we got into that query. have you learned anything about

brett kavanaugh about his attitudes toward say, presidential power. ignoring subpoenas for example. >> what i have learned on his views is extremely alarming. particularly at this moment of real constitutional crisis. and it goes beyond what has been reported most recently, the woodward book, the anonymous op-ed. it's the fact that this nominee is the result of a president who is an unindicted co-conspirator. think back to nixon. after he was named as an unindicted core-conspirator. what brett kavanaugh has said is extremely alarming.

nullify any statute including the affordable care act and protections against pre existing conditions. he would in no way commit to preserve roe v wade. and whether he discussed a specific document within the last 24 hours, he can't remember. so he has been evasive and ambiguous. >> if a president did, as donald trump said he could get rid of politically, shoot someone, he would be arrested. can the president break criminal law with impunity, is that a constitutional theory? >> in my view, the president of the united states can be indicted. even if the trial is postponed. this nominee takes the position

that many of the constraints and checks and balances seem absolutely meaningless. that kind of disregard for the importance of checks and balances all the more important. at a moment of constitutional crisis. when the president seems out of control, and completely contemptuous of the rule of law. brett kavanaugh has come before us and failed to give us the confidence that he will be an effective check. not only if there is an indictment on the president, or if the president is subpoenaed to testify in the grand jury in a criminal case. is he the fifth judge to overru overrule roe v. wade? >> he is potentially a fifth

vote. with goresusuch. he is unwilling to say in direct response to my question, that he is against overturning roe v. wade. until i used it yesterday in my questions to him. and i think he could well be the fifth vote to overturn roe v. wade and to decimate the protections that women now have in deciding whether and when they want to be pregnant and have children. not to mention americans deciding whom they want to marry or clean air and water and workers rights and consumers rights. thank you. richard blumenthal. it is not paranoia if people are out to get you. you are watching "hardball."

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welcome back to "hardball." the last 24 hours we have heard from more than two-dozen members of president trump's inner circle. each of them denying they were the author of the bombshell "new york times" op-ed. the president has long been suspicion of the people in his government and in the white house out to get him. according to axios for some time trump has even carried a handwritten list of those -- and a friend of the press tells trump can only trump his

children. let's bring in our roundtable. how goes the hunt tonight have they got closer to the number one suspect. >> the president is tweeting that the "new york times" should be looking for this person. >> are we sure it is a man? >> said it was a he and the president i desk. i mean he really has that look. >> this is a president who has threatened to purge the justice department and the fbi. so what this does is it escalates the risk that he surrounds himself with even more loyalist, people that he thinks

he can trust. >> don't you think they can figure out who it is. people that use the vocabulary of lode star. >> i have figured it out already. i will divulge it. it was captain obvious. if you look at what bob woodward told us, you have gary cohn stealing papers from the president desk. it is like taking the toy away from the baby. it is the adult day care. this is confirmed what we already knew. >> he knows this. see, it is not just the people wack paper off his desk, he knows they are doing it. he only trusts let's see, and her husband.

that's it. >> it has already been troubling that he puts his children in positions of prominent. it confirms that he is surrounded by enablers. nothing heroic by saying you are putting out fires behind the scenes. you owe it to be publicly transparent about it and start up a conversation in public about the 25th amendment. not to do it behind the cloak of anonymity. >> i spoke to a former trump administration official who said when they left the white house, he thought i hope there are people who are brave enough to stay. >> who are you talking about? >> i am not going to reveal my source. but i hope you can stay a little longer. >> you have been around from a while. do you think people stay in the white house out of patriotic

duty not out of prestige. >> some may do it. this op-ed gives us these false sense of security, that there are these regions around. >> they can't get into the devil's workshop. can't get into his bedroom at 5:30 in the morning and stop him. >> adding to trump's fear is all the reporting out there. about senior white house official questioning the president's mental ability. both current and chief of staffs have called him an idiot. calling him a moron. the secretary of defense says he has the under standing of a fifth or sixth grader. former chef economic advisor, says he is done.

and saying he has mental decline. >> he has said he is a stable genius. i don't know if a moron or an idiot ranked higher. this is exactly that point. and that is there is nothing particularly unusual about what this anonymous person. >> you guys are all smart. people have uneven development. trump obvious has the competence to make money, i don't know how many billions. he somehow has got himself elected president. the idea that he is incompetent doesn't sell with me. he is unevenly developed. >> some of the characteristics that made these same people talk about him and criticize him are the reason why he got elected.

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much more broader speech. drawing a contrast between fear and inclusion. veiled references. and calling on to avoid -- >> why is he doing this? why is he being careful? >> i think he is mindful, that one, it is unusual for predecessors to comment on sitting presidents. he doesn't want to directly reference him by name and in some extent it will him trump. i think we could fully expect that trump is going to react. but obama's strategy is going to be ignore it and focus on the big picture. >> as you know the congressional republicans have been allergic to investigate anything whether it is election security or hurricanes. >> except for hillary. >> and we have something that

has peaked the interest. he does want to find out who did this op-ed. and it could bump hillary's e-mail to top priority. >> what about ohio state? >> when we return, let me finish tonight with trump watch. interesting tonight. the amazing followup to an amazing world we are living in right now. you are watching "hardball." i needed legal advice for my shop. that's when i remembered that my ex-ex- ex-boyfriend

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trump watch thursday september 6, 2018. the active volcano that now resides in the white house threatens to throw red hot lava over the capitol and the country. any one of the people entering the office with you or surrounding you in the cabinet ro room or roosevelt room, looking at you as detrimental to the health of america. if any of us were to hear ourselves as petty, reckless. working daily just to control the damage we are causing, we might get a little paranoid. if you dare imagine being donald trump reading and hearing again

and again. the quoted comments of staffers now that you needed to be minded. how the white house has become an adult day care center, with you the president as the chief resident patient. do you think you might be volcanic by now and spewing red hot lava. this is precisely the reporting that he are getting from the top white house reporters. a president who is roaming the up stairs of 1600 pennsylvania avenue. so mistrusted by so many around him, that he dare not drop his guard. would you? speaking openly of revoking the constitutional revision to remove you from office. that is "hardball" for now. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. >> tonight on "all in." >> mr. president who wrote the op-ed. >> the hunt for the resistance

is on. the president reviewing all the denials from his top staffers. >> it could be someone in the west wing. >> says it is time for the 25th amendment. >> for contempt. >> bring it. >> i would correct the senators statement, there is no rule, there is a rule that applies. >> then apply the rule and bring the charges. i stand by the public's right to have access to this document. >> tonight, what we are learning from the kavanaugh e-mails that republicans didn't want you to see. >> i think you are thinking of someone and you