it can't be vote for my party so i don't get impeached. >> yes. thanks for being here. that does it for our hour. hi chuck. >> happy friday. >> yes. yes it is. if you can call it that. it is president versus president. >> good evening. i'm chuck todd. welcome to a manic split screen moment. president trump versus president obama both on the campaign trail today both with an ax to grind.

today former president obama kicked off a midterm push with a rare and scathing rebuke of a sitting president and the sitting president's party. this was an address in his home state of illinois warning voters mr. trump's behaivior is a thret to the american democracy. >> it should not be democratic or republican. it should not be a partisan issue to say that we do not pressure the attorney general or fbi to use the criminal justice system to punish or political opponents. it shouldn't be democratic or republican to say we don't threaten the freedom of the press because they say things or publish stories we don't like. we are americans we are supposed to stand up to bullies not follow them. we are supposed to stand up to

nazi sympathizers. in two months we had the chance to restore some of sanity. >> he made it clear it did not start with trump instead he laid the blame on the current gop. >> the politics of division and paranoia has unfortunately found home in the republican party. none of this is conservative. it is not conservative. it sure isn't normal, it's radical. it's a vision that says the protection of our power and those who back us is all that matters even when it hurts the country. >> well, moments later president trump, who is stumping in north dakota responded. >> somebody very popular guy here was just interviewing me. you know who i'm talking about,

great guy. he said what did you think of president obama's speech? i said i'm sorry. i watched it but i fell asleep. i found he is very good, very good for sleeping. >> we don't know who the other that guy was. it was a local reporter who did an interview. the backdrop of this back and forth is playing out amid-an absolutely manic moment in american politics as if on cue that if obama was rebuking president trump told reporters that he wants sessions to find the anonymous senior administration official that blasted him in the new york times. he said there was early talk to declare the president incapacitated. it prompted him to secure

support rs that he had not lost it. president trump used the debate as a rallying cry for voters. >> the impeach word, impeach word, we will impeach him but he didn't do anything wrong. we will impeach him. if it does happen it's your fault because you don't go out to vote. >> wow. obama and trump could not be more different in style, in substance, you name it. they do have the same goal, get their people to vote. all right. i'm joined now by tonight's

panel lonnie is to the campaign trail and chief policy adviser. >> i think it works in the new york washington corridor. i'm not sure it works in montana. they couldn't be more different, that's true but it may be a motivating force for republicans as well. >> and i think the question is who is more of a motivator of the other side. >> and i think today we saw the president really push back on the cautious logic that he and former president obama, that he and his supporters -- >> go with obama and trump

today. >> let's go with obama and trump for the conversation. >> for the last almost two years we have seen president trump in coordination really dismantle all of the key parts of the legacy, climate change, daca, immigration reform and until then he had been silent. that's what happens when they change hands. today for the first time you heard obama say these are different times given the fact he is an adversary, given the way he plays and you can no longer stand on the sidelines. so obama is filling a void that exists a lot of people say on the democratic side. >> i'm sure you heard from a lot that are like where is obama? did you get the obama -- do you think we got that those folks are saying why went he speak out? >> i think what the president

did is he wasn't talking to the voters that trump was in front of in north dakota and montana. he was speaking to the suburban voters that were republicans and independents. it is bring it over to cause and i think he was speaking especially to this generation and saying you showed up for me in 2008. i need you to show up now. >> wasn't it is same closing

argument? it. >> has been an eye open are for a lot of people that want the kind of change they thought they were going to get. obama was appealing to them. >> i think it's right that the appeal was targeted and the problem is those voters, those aren't the kinds of voters -- >> yeah. but we have got a lot of evidence from a lot of elections in recent history where those aren't the voters that matter. it is how juiced up is the base on one side and another. both of these guys can do a great job of juicing up the other side's base. we'll see how it turns out. the appeal to independent voters and midterm i'm not convinced it works. >> i need to remind people of the barack obama record that involves the democratic party without barack obama. democrats lost a lot of party. 11 senate seats, 62 house seats. this is from 08 to when he lost

office. 12 governor ships and 958 legislative seats. this has ban question i have had about trump too. obama did too. democrats did well when obama was ton ballot. they didn't do as well when obama was not ton ballot. >> right. he was and a political force. his popularity never transferred down the ballot. we saw that given all of the heavy lifting he did on her part. so again, will it make a differen difference? i don't know. you have people saying that former president obama again feels like the stakes are so high that he has to get involved no matter if it does have the unintended consequence. >> and importantly democrats want him to be involved. >> that's right. >> they want him. you're not going to refuse a former president of the united states who has that kind of appeal. democrats flow in these

individual districts that they can take some of that but they have to bear down locally and win these raiseces. >> i'm curious what you think. let me play that excerpt from president obama's speech. >> i'll be honest, some times i get into arguments with progressive friends about what the current political movement requires. there are well many folks passionate who think things have gotten so bad, the shrines have been so starkly drawn that we have to fight fire with fire. we have to do the same things to the republicans that they do to us, adopt their tactics. say whatever works. make up stuff about the other

side. >> and he also went onto say there's no voter you shouldn't try to appeal to. also saying this idea of ignoring working class voters, that that's a mistake too. >> there's ban lot of debate about how hard to go. clearly there are some places where democrats and particularly progresses feel like we haven't been fighting hard enough for our values. i think there's a way to do both. you take us and she is appealing to every voter. he said the exact opposite. it was interesting. i know there's this fight. do you just fire up the base and you could win that way. there are certainly police

stations. a couple of hundred thousand of them who haven't voted or participated in any election even when obama was ton the ballot. so i think it would be a big mistake too. >> i think barack obama is the only guy that could not deliver that message. zb what other democrats? >> yes. and for the democrats the division within their party is a threat to the outcome of the midterm elections being positive. the there's another dynamic too

democrats don't have that. there was a huge void here. that's why i think it was so critical for barack obama to step into that void today. >> he didn't have some -- he did not have kind words for the writer. take a listen to that. it's not how our democracy is supposed to work. these people are not elected. they are not accountable. they are not doing us a service by actively promoting 90% of the crazy stuff coming out of the white house and saying don't worry we are preventing the other 10%. >> what is your former institution?

what should we be doing? there are two issues here. either he is unfit for office or there's a soft code. >> no. i agree. i'm with president obama on this. i don't think there's anything honorable or patriotic about remaining anonymous if you believe there's really a threat to gover governance. we heard paul ryan say about a month or so ago we don't flow all of the bad things he prevented. his job is to make sure that the legislative branch of the government works. republicans in congress are advocating their responsibility. >> i don't understand on this one. i understand they are afraid of touching the cohen thing because of politics but you could make a case there looking out for the president's interest. >> yeah. and i think the notion that people are not following the president's orders, that to me

is highly problematic. it does sink. congress has a lot of responsibility to be a collect on the executive. he gave a tremendous i guess it was an opening statement where he talked about the traditional role of the congress. there is, you know, if one believes in the institution the congress needs to step up here. they are the only body that can. >> if congress worked it wouldn't be to polarizing. you wouldn't have these issues. >> you're right about that. one point about president trump, he saw refuge said even people that don't agree with me. >> yeah. but we are not sending jeff sessions after him. >> no. everybody has first amendment rights the last i checked. all right. you guys have to stick around even though it is friday. we'll have happy hour for you. up ahead the president says

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from everybody else. the chiefs of staff, senior staff all reflect the president. this president seems to enjoy not only chaos, confusion and outright sort of craziness. it starts with him. why is anyone surprised that there may be an indication of disloyalty or confusion or chaos in this white house? tlp a there are doubts of who is in charge. >> well, don't you think he needs to figure out a way to make sure people know he is? >> no. if you look at his career i mean he is in charge in his little world of the white house and the oval office and twitter. he is in charge of twitter, his

twitter account. in his world that's the most important part of his job. look, this is all kind of sounding crazy because this is very unconventional and very different sort of operation starting with the president. >> you have to get used to it. >> trust me, it only seems to confirm a previous antic dote. do you feel it is a must to find out who wrote this? do you feel like you would need to find that out? >> absolutely. look, i have no incite at all. it would seem to me the new york times would not do this without the confidence of knowing this is a very senior if not cabinet

level, very very senior person in the white house, not some, you know, third level down or whatever. i would want to know and i think there's a real reason to know who this person is if you're the chief of staff in the white house for sure. >> there has been some talk. i guess rand paul calling for lie detector tests and president thinking about it. the last time lie detector tests were brought up were during the reagan administration. i know it sounds crazy but i understand the pair no,ranoia. >> i think it is extreme. george schultz said he could if somebody was going to take a lie detector test. it highlights the extreme nature of this sort of revolt by

someone who must be awfully senior in this administration but more importantly what they are saying and if it is reflected other than one maybe disgruntled or unhappy senior person. if it is representative of a number of people who are in this administration and in the government charged with not only implementing the president's programs but implementing on behalf of the american people that is a terrible damnation of this administration and this president. >> one of my favorite quotes is good gets better and bad gets worse. moral wise i have got to assume that the moral in this west wing is a mess. nobody is going to trust each other. what would you do to try to restore at least some trust among staff with each other? >> look, i think you're right. this is an extremely difficult

situation. i would try to obviously build it but if you're chief of staff and president can't build that there's no way chief of staff can. i don't think the president even though he ran a business it wasn't it was a one man operation basically. john kelly has an all most impossible task or whoever else, whether it is kushner or whoever it is trying to instill loyalty of a group of people who right now are questioning each other at the most senior level of our government. >> look, it's pretty clear to me that john kelly doesn't have the full confidence of the president. if you didn't have the full confidence of the president

would you walk? >> yes. >> so it is -- >> absolutely. what's the point? he ought to love it and embrace it and go further with it. >> all right. final question before i let you go, your last name is daley. what do you think? >> i have two other brothers and three sisters. >> a lot of you, huh? >> there's a lot of us. >> what would convince you to run? >> the bears beat the packers sunday night. >> there's it. if the bears beat the packers you're running for mayor? >> i didn't say that. i said it will be a big factor.

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happen. another senate seat to be competitive. polling averages show democrats are either ahead in these states or keeping the races tight. the biggest is four points. that's ted krooucruz in texas. now, flipping the senate a much bigger impact in 2020. joints know is charlie cook. you know, the calendar changed to september. a lot of news organizations like ours said we will check things

out. it is amazing. you look at the map and you say republicans are repicking up x number of seats. you say gosh, this is a wave and i don't want to cheat because you have a chart coming up. >> these don't split down the middle. have close races and where did that last gust of wind they tentd to go -- >> let me put this up, one party tends to win most of the toss up seats. five of the last seven toss ups. 71% to the gop. in 2014 republicans won eight of the night toss ups. you keep going down. >> 70 to 90% is the same way. >> it doesn't matter whether it is a wave or not wave year.

>> it is just whatever the last of the events of the last few days or whoever has a little more energy so they don't submit down t -- split down the middle. >> your senate editor, we are like if the decmocrats how do w win? we have been struggling with that. is that -- like can you imagine where they won 40 house seats and didn't win the senate? >> you would think. the thing about it is it's like we are having the house and senate happening in two different companies and two different years. having said that, you know, let's say if ted cruz is only winning by a point or two or

loses that means republican turnout is through the floor and democrats are going way up. to me the difference between a bad night for republicans and a really really bad night is if the republican wls who are not party, if they are not in those two groups don't show up that's where the bottom falls out. >> we did three polls this week. first i want to go to indiana. we showed a 6 point lead. there is a pretty republican poll over all. it show add generic ballot. i was waiting for push back. i didn't get any. >> republicans weren't sure who they wanted in the primary. they kind of didn't want it. once they got him it was like wow, this guy ran a pretty good primary. he is not from washington and he had, you know, so they were actually fairly happy with it.

adults register and see if the more likely you get -- >> no. that's what we noticed. the likelier the voters suddenly leaning left. that's what we found out here. missouri not a surprise chl. is that it? that's the open question here. what is the ceiling in a red state like missouri? >> early on there was a lot of disappointment on the republican side. there was a feeling he was an under performer. he says no. it was like they were using it as an excuse. >> reality it probably was the case and probably was holding them back. once it kind of got out of the

way this race tightened on up. >> tennessee, you were on tennessee earlier than most. you thought he had not lost his juice. some republicans had been saying no no no. tennessee is no longer competitive. he has held up and held up strong. the amazing thing it's his favorable rating that held him up. >> what politicians are that popular? >> yeah. nashville is a great story. he was mayor of nashville. >> but half the people there weren't there when he was -- the thing is it's -- you know, a lot of that area has grown so much with new people but it's the memory or -- and i think marsha

will be an under-performer. >> and this is my larger question here. when we are looking at the senate playing field and you look at the republican recruiting and democratic recruiting it seems as if the republicans got their second or third choice and almost every race democrats got their first choice. >> maybe. maybe. >> i mean they always feel like they could have done better in west virginia, could have done better in tennessee. >> i think it reflected a nervousness about president trump and nervousness about how is it goeng ing to go. to get out there and put yourself forward in a political environment where your gut is telling you this may not end well, so i am not sure i would blame the recruiters as much as -- at the end of the day it's trump's environment. >> yeah.

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you have heard of people using polygraphs. when the president was asked do you trust your staff? his response was yes but i often look around the room to see who is there. so imagine that. >> it forces the activity of this so called resistance within even further under ground. that's what all of this done, right? to the extent that there were a number of senior administration officials who were disagreeing with the president and trying to advance their own policy agenda makes it even harder to do that if that's what they were doing. >> i have all right talked to somebody here outside of the incident. s he is angry but not going shake anything up. >> it would be that's normal and smart behavior. it is untrump-like. >> it is. again, this white house is even beyond the word dysfunctional. i think that's clear every day.

i can't imagine what it is to be inside of a white house and not to know who you can trust and who you have to have your guard up for. that is not a way to run a government. >> but how would you get the trust sfwhback? i feel the president has to assert himself in some form here. every white house has some measure of people who are trying to get other people. >> sure. >> but what is within reason? >> okay. that took plight when you were

there. my point is some of this does in the sort of out of contest. the white house is not a gentle place to work. so people need to realize this is the big leagues. and for this president you have the op-ed coming on the heels. it is president's lack of concern and he is besieged day in and day out to be a staff member that has to manage that and communicate a message when the president in the course of a treasonous act, it's fake, but we're also going to launch an investigation. how do you launch an investigation of something you believe is fake? it's hard to make sense of it.

>> what is normal, in a normal white house, is that the president's closest circle are people he can trust, people he can depend on, people who can challenge him, and this president doesn't have that. that's the point. >> i think he has his daughter and his son-in-law. >> yeah. >> i assume those are the only two people -- honestly, if i were him, it might be the only two people i trust in that white house right now. part of that is the way he operates. i would understand if those were the only two people he trusted. >> yeah. and i think to a certain degree we'll begin to see -- the things that matter will probably continue to gravitate to those two people. they have sort of purview over a number of important issues, opioid addiction, the israeli palestinian peace process. it would not surprise me to see more action migrate there. when you have that's the white house chief of staff that isn't really the chief of staff, the

question is, is he better off formalizing an arrangement. >> it does feel as if -- it is -- this is the 25th floor of trump tower, that basically the operation is back to being a one-man operation, where different factions are in, and have power for a small period of time, until they don't. >> yeah, and this is just a different version of that same story. there's another die nam ck here, too, that's interesting, the degree to which this op-ed is being used within the west wing among people to discredit other staffers they don't like. watch for that to play out too in the next few days. >> watch for that too. gabe sherman's got a new target claiming, you know, that apparently that ivanka and jared think it's the chief of staff with the candlestick, and a deputy chief of staff. you know what i mean? nit lincoln bedroom. >> the op-ed seemed cobbled

together. you've got to watch out for that. >> i am convinced while the "times" is one person, that they're speaking for more than one person. >> that's right. >> oddly enough that usually means that a leak sooner, but maybe that's what keeps the anonymity. >> there's a suicide pact that goes on. the points of view reflected in the op-ed are not unique points of view. i mean, i think they're points of view that are relatively common amongst -- >> a staff meeting? >> if we had staff meetings. we're all at the beach during the summer. but anyway, the point is, those points of view weren't all that unique. wouldn't surprise me if a lot of people were involved. >> guys, i've got to leave it there. happy friday, okay? >> you too. >> donna, lahnee, thank you very much. up ahead, i have a lot to say and to thank to the academy.

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>> but the response was more like. >> frankly, my dear, i don't give a damn. >> so the academy is postponing the new category. >> well, it's another nice mess you've gotten me into. >> they say the idea requires further study. >> you can't handle the truth. >> but there's a chance it might all together go -- >> asta la vista, baby. >> people are a bunch of -- >> blaplastics. >> e zblb tinsel town left by a tru truly monstrous idea. >> it's alive, it's alive. >> so hollywood, for finally seeing the light, all i can say is -- >> thank you very little. >> guys, this isn't that difficult. just give an oscar to like the biggest block buster film of the

year that makes the most money domestically if you're going to do that. you can do that, create that award or something, my goodness. anyway, that wasn't difficult. that's all we have for tonight, we'll be back monday with more. kellyanne conway, ben sasse, dick durbin, sasse's first appearance on "meet the press". we're following a lot of news, president obama taking an donald trump for the first time directly since leaving office. also friday night's report tonight here from bloomberg united states feds are probing campaign finance violations. first, other breaking news. tonight bob mueller scored another first, the first former trump campaign aide to get a jail sentence. now, this convicted felon is not as high level as paul manafort, the sentence not as long as m