in many cultures, young men would stay with their families until their 40's. that's going to do it for me. >> thanks so much. good afternoon. we begin with that breaking news on the president's supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. a woman who claims he assaulted her is speaking out to the washington post on the record. her name is krichristine ford. they said kavanaugh pinned her to a bed on her back and groped her over her clothes grinding his body against hers and attempting to pull off her one

piece bathing suit. when she tried to scream, he put his hand over her mouth. he's denied the allegation. you write this woman contacted the post earlier in the summer. tell us what happened. >> she contacted the post through a tipline in early july at the point that brett kavanaugh was at the top of the short list but before he was named the nominee. she felt like she had something to say about this person who might be the nominee. >> she tells you i thought he might kill me. she's 51 years old. a research psychologist in northern california. she said he was trying to attack me and remove my clothing. i read some of the account she

gave of what happened that night. tell us more of what happened back in the 1980s. >> this is a long time ago. there's some details that are missing or fuzzy but she believes it happened in 1982 towards tend of her sophomore year and the end of brett kavanaugh's junior year. she said she was at this house par party. not clear whose home it was. there were no parents home. people were drinking. she said brett kavanaugh and his friend were very drunk. when she went to leave the room where everybody was and go to the bathroom up a set of narrow stairs she was pushed into a bedroom and at that point she says that brett kavanaugh held her down on a bed while mark judge watched from the other side of the room. there was very loud music. brett kavanaugh was on top of

her. gro groping her, trying to pull at her clothes. the way she describes it, she felt that she was sort of saved by mark judge jumping on them and sending them tumbling. she was able to break free and run out of room and into the bathroom across the hall. one key part is she said she tried to call out for help and that kavanaugh put his hand over her mouth and that's been the most important thing for the lasting trauma that she's experienced. >> over the last few weeks we became aware of this allegation by that cryptic statement that senator dianne feinstein put out. this was an allegation that centered on sexual assault. the new yorker reported details of what was in that memorandum. you've spoken with her. what did she say about why we

decided to talk to you using her full name? >> she felt like she was already starting to pay a price for having written that anonymous letter. reporters were showing inin iir door. . she teaches graduate level courses and she was approached by a reporter. reporters called her colleagues. she was feeling like her privacy was already invaded and she has had all along, i think, a feeling like she had something important to say. i think her calculation changed over time. she had already paid a price for writing that letter so she figured she might add welcome out and have people understand she's a real person and her allegation is coming from a human being not -- she felt probably it can't be as easily dismissed when it's from a person with a name. >> she left that house, left

that room, made her way home and kind of put it out of her mind. i think it derailed me for four or five years. it comes up when she's in therapy with her husband. >> she started to understand the impacts of this alleged event in therapy. the first time she really told the story out loud in detail was in 2012 in couples therapy with her husband. she provided portions of the therapist notes which show that she had reported an assault, a sexual assault by boys. the note said from an elitist boys school. they had gone to be high ranking members of washington society. it's in therapy where she not only sort of reckonned with the meaning of this event in her life but also where we were able

to get some corroboration that she had endured an attack. >> i'm speaking with emma brown. she's a reporter from the washington post. the washington post published a piece of christine ford. you spoke to her husband as well. what did he have to say about this incident and about her coming out with this as well ? >> i think this is a private thing to be dealing with in public for both of them. he said that in 2012, he recalls that therapist session very clearly and recalls not only that she described the event but she use ed kavanaugh's last nam and expressed some concern. he was on the d.c. circuit court of appeals. he said what if he goes on the supreme court. he called that.

he was thinking some people may hear about this and think it doesn't matter. it was back in high school but from his perspective it says something, his wife's story says something important about the nominee that people need to know. >> his name is russell ford. you closed the piece with a quotation from him that's pretty powerful. i think you look to judges to be the arbitors of right and wrong. if they don't have a moral code of their own to determine right from wrong then that's a problem. i think it's tell vant. supreme court nominees should be held to higher standards. what does she say about the prospect of testifying? to talk to u.s. senators who are considering this important nomination. >> i have not asked her. i have not asked her about that. i can't answer that. i think i can only say she made

what was a very difficult decision to come forward. i think she knows she will face a lot of skepticism, criticism and attack. she's already made the decision to be public. i would not be surprised if she was willing to be speak to senators about her experience. >> she's retained lawyer who has worked on a lot of sexual harassment, sexual assault cases. she writes she submitted to a polygraph examination. talk about that. >> they said earlier she first contacted the post in early july. i think since then has been preparing even though she wasn't sure she wanted to do this. she took clear steps. one of them is engaging debra katz. another was on katz's advice of

taking this polygraph exams. her lawyer was worried if she did come forward, she would be branded as a liar. the polygraph, she took. she gave her account of the evening and asked a couple of questions about whether she was telling the truth and she passed the polygraph. the examiner concluded she was being truthful. >> i want to get into this, she calls it a rape attempt. those are strong words saying this was a rape attempt. >> yes. i think they are very strong words. it's how she perceived this incident. she's very clear about that. i think one of the questions that i asked brett kavanaugh that he declined to answer

sperv specifically was whether there could be some similar incident that he recalled differently. i did not get an answer to that question. >> the statement is he denies this allegations made against him. tell us if you would a little bit about the world the two of them inhabited in the 1980s. he was a student at an exclusive boys high school. she was a student another an excl exclusive all girls high school. >> they knew each other from these sort of private school social circumstances. these are affluent communities filled with affluent and powerful people. she says she and her friends, mostly hung out with boys from another school, but for a period of a few months they were hanging out with boys from georgetown prep. that's the school that brett kavanaugh graduated from. one glimpse of the world that

they lived in comes from the book that mark judge wrote. mark judge is the friend who is allegedly in the room when this happened. he wrote a book called "wasted." tales of a gen x drunk. he writes a lot about sort of culture of partying and his own drinking to the point of black out in that book. drinking was part of the the world. >> my last question here, you've seen a lot of source materials. you've seen the results of that polygraph test. there's a bit of a discrepancy. they noted there were four attackers. what does she say about that? >> she says that she has -- she calls four people, four boys at the party or in the house.

she believes that in telling the story the therapist messed up in taking notes and wrote down four boys involved in the attack when she said four boys at the house. >> we know of the four principals. there's mark judge, brett kavanaugh in the room. you know the identity of the two others. you've tried to get in touch with them as well. >> that's right. she provided me with the name of two other people in the house that night who probably have no idea this happened to her because they weren't in the room. i have not been able to get in touch with them today. they have not returned my messages. >> thank you very much for the time. that's emma brown. she's a reporter for the washington post. the post has broken this story that christine blasey ford is the woman who filed this against brett kavanaugh. a research professor at palo alto university in california.

i want to finish this conversation now. we talked about what response we got from the white house thus far. emma brown said she submitted bunch of questions to brett kavanaugh through the white house. talk to me about the existence of this allegation. >> anybody who has been watching the white house response to these ongoing hearings knows the white house has rolled out a detailed battle plan to make sure this nomination goes through. the fact they are silent is not surprising this white house unfortunately has dealt with a series of women who came forward against the then presidential candidate with stories of

varying degrees of inappropriate sexual misconduct. if that pattern is going to play out with kavanaugh then we'll see attacks or this is nothing more than dirty tricks when in fact this white house should be thinking about how voters watching this will reflect on it ahead of the midterms. >> what's going to change as a ru result of this? you've had the chairman say t full speed ahead. he dismissed the allegation when the statement first came out. now that we have a name, now that we have a name that we can attach to the details that i've read here over the course of the last is a minut15 minutes, how change the calculus? >> difficult. particularly for those two women republican senators people have been voted on. people were wandering how they

would digest these allegations and respond to them. it seems like it's much more difficult for them to dismiss these claims without any kind of hearing now that we have a name and we will have a face soon. i've seen pictures on the internet already to go alorng with this allegation if this woman is willing to testify, i think there will be very difficult for those senators to say that she shouldn't be heard from. there is some pres decedent froe thomas hill hearing say you could re-open this and have some testimony about what happened here. it's going to be very, very difficult in a metoo era to suggest this happened 35 years ago, so what. sweep it umpnder the rug. also how will the voters act if this woman's story is dismissed. we have an election in two months or less. voters may not react favorably if they feel this woman's story is not being taken seriously.

>> josh brings up the election. this has moved along at a quick pace. the october term is scheduled to gip begin on the first of october. is that case going to be harder to make now in light of what you heard today in the washington post? >> it is. we can safely guess it will make it much harder for republicans to argue for expediting the confirmation process. the political reality is very challenging. the longer the kavanaugh confirmation process goes on, there more pressure will be on republicans is likely to vote against him as this story gains traction and draws more scrutiny. it draws more attention to some of the allegations against kavanaugh from when he was

young. the timing here is very challenging for republicans. the white house is being clear, republicans and senate have been clear. they want to get kavanaugh confirmed before the midterms and before the new supreme court term starts. if they postpone this in order to allow for further scrutiny, security examination of these very serious allegations then politically that puts republicans in a more difficult situation. what they have to calculate is with the political backlash they would face with female voters by rushing through kavanaugh cause them more political damage than the backlash of doing the opposite. politically for republicans, it's tough and we're have to wait and see how they handle it. >> i want to get your read on this. i was detailing those allegations. there's the issue of him being stumbling drink. the detail of the alleged

assault as well. a lot of this was known to us anonymously over the course of the last week. what changes now that there's a name associated with it. there will be a face associated with it as well. >> right. now that there's a name and face and depending on whether she testifies and whether the confirmation hearings are extended, that has electoral ramifications. in the end clarence thomas was confirmed by a smaller margin. all the women and aspiring female politicians in the country that watch that testimony watched her in front of that all male panel. that resulted in the initial year of the women where a record number of female congresswomen were ushered in.

there could be a lot of implications in terms of who coms congress after this. >> last question to you. who will you be watching now in the coming days. you saw chuck grassley frustrated by that attempt to slow down the process here. i imagine it will be many democrats calling more loudly for this to be slowed down. who can make this go slower than it has at this point? >> well, i think somebody said it a few minutes ago, those two women senators who have proouchprooucven to be not on the fence but opening to listening. i think those are the people to watch. >> thanks to all of you this amp as we continue to report on this breaking news. the washington post reporting on the identity of the woman who leveed that allegation against brett kavanaugh. we'll be talking much more about the storm florence and on

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welcome back. we continue to follow this breaking news. the washington post revealing the name of the california professor who filed that allegation. christine blasey ford.

she penned that letter to make it to senator dianne feinstein de desk. that's part of the judge's file available for senators to review. the judge has denied the claim saying i categorically deny this allegation. i did not do this back in high school or at any time. republicans have dismissed the allegation. the chairman said he plans to go ahead with the vote on thursday. we'll see if this reporting from the washington post complicates that. joining me is jeffrey rosen. jeffrey, let me start with you. i'm going to read a couple more excerpts from this piece. ford said one summer in the early 1980s, kavanaugh and a

friend corralled her into a bedroom during a gathering of teenagers at a house outside of washington, d.c. kavanaugh pinned her to a bed and groped her over her clothes, grinding his besiody against he and clumsily attempting to pull after her bathing suit. when she tried to scream, he put his hand over her mouth. you've been watching all this unfold. what changes now? >> it's impossible not to think back to the clarence thomas situation. anita hill like this woman wanted to remain anonymous but came forward. here the woman decided she had to tell her story. despite that act, the econocomm in the thomas hearing split, 7-7. this is far more partisan time.

there was a filibuster. there was a tradition of bipartisan comedy. here the republicans are determined to confirm this week. they'll point to other similarities like the fact it was long ago. nevertheless, as you were just discussing the woman has offered to come to washington to testify in the thomas hearings. anita hill did get a hearing. it will be remarkable to see whether democrats are successful in a strong attempt to allow her to have her day before the senate. >> there's a number of statements. something that is very different here is what's being alleged. back then in sexual harassment. this woman is telling that newspaper this was a rape

attempt. >> yeah, this is a very serious crime. it's also not 1991. the anita hill accusations really shifted our perceptions of sexual harassment and bad male behavior in the workplace. these accusations which are even more serious are coming at a time when there's a really rousing public conversation about not just workplace harassment but sexual assault, sexual violence and the need for women to speak out against men who abuse their positions of power. this is coming in the midst of the metoo movement. i have a hard time seeing how the republicans put the lid on this and not pay a serious price in the future. >> i'm going to read a quotation by her husband, russell ford. he says i think you look to judges to be the arbitors of right and wrong. if they don't have a moral code of their own then that's a problem. i think it's relevant.

supreme court nominee should be leld held to a higher standard. so much of what we saw during that hearing centered on brett kavanaugh, the man. he brought his daughters to the hearing. he brought his peers from the basketball team that he coaches to the hearing. there was an effort in presenting the nominee to the bench to present him as a person. his personality was key here. >> we do expect justices to be held to the highest possible standards and as you say that was a central part of hearings. jill is right. it's not 1991. metoo has transformed our expectations. it will be pressure to sigh didn't diane fi-- diane fineste place this long ago. a lot of people will be asking

the questions, why wasn't this made public and investigated the moment the allegation came in which happened before judge kavanaugh was nominated. >> this woman gives dianne feinstein the benefit of the doubt. she wanted toyo eed it to be an. she didn't want this to come out. anita hill released a statement on how this unfolded and how it needs to charnge. a process should be put in place that enables anyone with a complaint of this nature to be heard. i've seen when a process is weaponized against an accuser. no one should have to endure that again. >> a lot of people saying this confirmation process is broken and needs to change. >> i think that's right. i think the confirmation process has been particularly opaque. we have not, unlike in the kagen confirmation hearings, received full librabrary of kavanaugh's

communications when he was in the white house. we now with these allegations are not getting a particularly transparent response if him either. these hearings have become, obviously hyper partisan but an offshoot of that is we seem to forget the point of why we're holding them in the first place which is not to have a kind of left wing, right wing battle but confirm a judge who will be a responsible and careful lifetime appointee on the supreme court. it's not just that they are serious, it's that they are accusation offenses of a crime. if that doesn't merit re-opening of the hearings, i don't know what else would. >> jeffrey, do you think that's likely to happen here? from what we heard from senator orrin hatch and chuck grassley.

do you expect, are now optimistic that things will be slowed down here? >> these are extremely serious allegations. neverthele nevertheless, the republicans are quite determined to hold this vote as soon as possible. if there's no new allegations, it's quite possible that the vote will take place as scheduled. it was significant in the thomas case that after anita hill's allegations were made public, there were other women who were ready and willing to testify. if more women emerge, that would completely transform this situation. if they don't, i think that at least for the moment republicans may try to hold the vote as scheduled. >> i keep returning to this same question. what changed for you now seeing a name associated with this? over the last week or so details have trickled out in various media outlets.

yes know christine blasey ford is the woman making the allegations. what changes for you? >> i think it's remarkably brave that she's come forward and put her name on these allegations. i believe there are reporters camped out outside her house. she knows her entire history, her mental health, everything about her life is now going to be publicly interrogated. so what changes for me is you have somebody who is willing to not just say this happened but also take on that enormous and immense risk that comes with making these allegations public and with your name on them which to a lot of folks that are observing it does make them seem more credible. >> thank you very much. we continue to report on this news story in the washington post. christine blasey ford, the woman who is making that accusation. shifting concern across the carolinas now.

florence was downgraded to a tropical depression overnight. more than 50 towns and cities are under water. the death toll now at 15. some 700,000 remain in the dark, without power. federal aid is flow sboing into region. 13,000 military personnel is helping with efforts. it's right there on the north carolina, south carolina boarder. what's the latest? what are you seeing on the ground there? >> reporter: david, what we saw a couple moments ago is quite traumatic. we saw a lot of earth movers. they were working off my right shoulder. they are trying to re-enforce this sand lehlevee that runs ri underknead this bridge. they were trying furiously to g get sand and push it up against this levee to try to prevent lumber river from overflowing.

now it looks like after hours of doing that and after days and days of volunteers from lumberton who came out with shovels just using their own manpower to try to reenforce this levee, it looks like they have given up. all the earth movers kind of drove away. that's after the levee seemed to break. there's a couple of points where you can see there's water flowing through. this is a nightmare for the town and that's because it's a repeat of hurricane matthew in 2016. this entire town flooded and there were a couple of deaths in the town of 20,000. this was already one of the poorest towns in america. one of the poorest towns in north carolina. what's happening here is embl emblematic of the aftermath of hurricane florence. the weather isn't that bad but the wind is really died down quite a bit. as hurricane florence, which is

just now a tropical depression lumbers through north carolina, it's still dumping so much water. all of this water is flowing down. the coastal part of north carolina could be in for a one-two punch. >> thank you very much for the reporting. i want to turn to cal perry. >> reporter: in fits and spurts especially it connects to those beach areas. the lights are coming back on. we're at a costco are people are waiting up to two and a half hours for gas.

i think we have that drone shot we can show you of head. the line wraps up to south college road. how long were you waiting for gas? >> two naand a half hours. >> where are you from? >> out near castle hand. we had some big trees come down. >> what are you filling up the cans for? >> we have a generator we have running. trying to keep going until the kore crews get things going. >> you were out there directing traffic? >> people were trying to merge in. we were trying to let one and one go. life is back normal but i teach school and i have a lot of kids lose their houses. >> what do you tell them? >> ain't much you can tell them. life goes on. as long as you're not injured, you can replace your property and all but it's swamped where i work. >> thank you for being a

teacher. our prayers go out to your students. there you have it. just when you start talking about life getting back to normal, people come out, emotions come out. up with of the other problems is the highways in and out of wilmington are starting to jam up. 41 was shut down. the people who stayed in this area are able to get back to their homes. >> cal perry, my colleague down there. thank you very much. i want to return to that blockbuster story being published by the washington post just a few minutes ago about the allegations leveed against judge brett kavanaugh. a rape attempt as the accuser says that took place in the 1980s. the washington post revealed the identity of the woman who made the allegation as christine blasey ford. she's a research professor at a

university in california. she details what she says happened in a letter to her congresswoman that was passed along to senator dianne feinstein who brought it to the attention of law enforcement over the last few days. details of that allegation have come out. her name has not. the new york times reporting there was an allegation of sexual assault. the new yorker detailing what was in the letter. the judge has denied it saying i categorically deny this allegation. i did not do this back in high school or at any time. i'll read a bit from that piece in the washington post. speaking publicly for the first time, christine blaesy ford said one summer they corralled her into a bedroom in montgomery county, maryland. while his friend watched kavanaugh pinned her to a bed and groped her over her clothes

grinding his besiody against he and attempting to pull off the bathing suit. when she tried to scream, he put his hand over her mouth. christine blasey ford said this is something she reckoned with over the years. republicans on the senate judiciary committee have dismissed the allegation in previous days. the chairman says he plans to go ahead with the vote on the confirmation. scheduled to take place on thursday. joining me is msnbc legal analyst. he was a deputy assistant attorney general. you heard me read some of what's in this article. i want to start by getting your reaction to what's detailed in this piece in the washington post. >> now we have a name. with that name you have another level of humanization for what is occurred to this woman. remember it's still allegations. there's been no admission of guilt. no finding of guilt for brett kavanaugh. now i think it gives people more

cause for pause. before it was an allegation. before it was one of several issues that have been con fronted by brett kavanaugh. now that you have a name and face, you can personalize what's happened to this woman. i think that should be one of the reasons why they should re-open the kavanaugh confirmation hearings and allow some exploration of what's being alleged here. we do have some more corroboration coming through. a polygraph administered after ms. ford retained counsel. this was not an 11th hour attempt to derail kavanaugh. you have a number of facts that should the re-opening happen. >> sudden light is t-- sunlight the best disinfectant.

what's the argument to slow this down, against having people come forward and answer some questions. not racing towards this thursday's vote. >> the argument for slowing down is that there's a precedent for it and it happened in the clarence thomas hearing. you have those who regard it add a character smear. the allegations were not serious and that id brought down the character of clarence thomas. this is an excellent window into how society looks at sexual assault. we should ask ourselves what kind of crime and what kind of allegation would be sufficient for everybody to think it would be proepappropriate to re-open supreme court hearing. is it murder?

is it arson? the notion we're pausing that there suspect an automatic to reopen says something serious about how we as a society tend to disregard claims of sexual assau assault. it's is up setting. we will see this individual be targeted. i'm wonder who is first member of congress to start disclosing information about her background or about who she is or whatever else. again, yes we should pause. there's no question that we should pause and there's history and background and pres denceder it. the rush to confirm brett kavanaugh will get in the way of it. >> i want to you about the environment into which she is stepping. she talks about all she's seen over the last few weeks. her goal was to do this anonymously. first through the tip line and then her congresswoman. she said these are the ills i was trying to avoid.

i feel like my civic responsibility is outweighing my anguish and terror about retaliation. this is p nnot 1991. we're many years beyond that. >> can you imagine the intimate, mental calculation to come forward. she heard about what happened to her 30 something years ago and she fell compelled that her public duty outweighed her desire to remain private. she wanted to remain amon nonan. she's now faced with the reality she is probably going to be victimized once again. she's going to be told she has all these problems and her credibility will be attacked and this woman is a professional. it's important for people to realize this was not an easy decision for her to make. >> one more thing on that. so much of the discussion has been about the competence of dianne feinstein and the competence of the democrats in

their decision to delay the disclosure of this individual's name or background or whatever. when in reality this was about a victim or alleged victim, however you choose to use the term, and her desire to stay private. this gets back to point i made earlier which is that we tend to discredit victims of all kinds, particularly victims of sexual assaults. we're seeing it play out here on a national and political scale and in spectacular fashion. >> thanks very much for the time. thanks to you. published by the washington post a few moments ago. we'll have much more on that report. those claims alleged against brett kavanaugh. the woman accusing him telling her story to the post. lots of other headlining coming out of washington as well.

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i wanted to taub abolk about wh saw. now we know the name of the woman who made the allegation. >> it makes me want to cry slow down even louder. i think there was farce of race to confirm this judge. unprecedented discontent with the american people about him and the people under the most pressure. susan collins will face a challenger because of her vote in she does support brett kavanau kavanaugh. there's a movement in maine to pre-fund her opponent. she is the type of person that should not only be appalled about his record but about these allegations by ms. ford. >> a professor in california. it's been a busy week. there was a primary here in new york.

cynthia nixon went up against andrew cuomo and lost by a fairly wide margin. what does that say to you? more progressive candidates running against traditional against democrats. one of them did not win. what does that say to you about that debate within the democratic party? >> well, i think there's a broad spectrum of possibility in the democratic party and i don't think her loss is a loss for that position on the spectrum. we had a lot of state senate candidates who nearly swept the field. there were people who basically aligned with republicans to maintain their power. six of those eight lost. we have tish james who is going to be the first black woman state attorney general for new york essentially in charge of criminal justice reform defending the state against onabsoluto onslaughts from the trump administration. cynthia nixon losing, i wasn't

happy about it. i wore a tucks. dress up for democracy. i'm trying to continue to push. so i'm sad that she lost, but see, that's what you've got to do. i actually dovoted for a state candidate. walked out and he was on the street. we've got black men the streets. you don't also get you what want but i like that underneath of the governor's level and much like what happens in congress, there is a real change and a significant trend towards supporting more policies that hold accountability, that reform criminal justice, that affect climate change and women's rights. >> i heard from a lot of people who maybe didn't back cynthia nixon but liked that she was in the race because she was pulling andrew cuomo to the left. >> absolutely. >> is that an effect of her candidacy? >> absolutely. he came out more aggressively for women's rage and against trump. the andrew cuomo was aligning to

the right. he w she was a credible challenge to him. he spent 20 to 1 to defeat her. he tried to ignore her, but if you look at his evolution, she had an effect and a positive one. >> i want to ask you about the storm that continues to range against the carolinas. my home state north carolina, record setting rains across the state. what do you make of the way the president has reacted to this so far? leading up to this storm, he took a trip down memory lane, started looking at puerto rico, casting down on an academic study of how many puerto ricans died in hurricane maria. he's planning to make a trip down to the carolinas this week. what do you make when you look at hurricane maria and hurricane florence? >> this president has made clear who he considers to be an american and who he doesn't, who should have the right to be here, who should not. if you're brown or muslim or from south of the border, you are no longer welcome here.

if you already american as every resident of puerto rico is, that doesn't count in this president's eyes. he made himself the victim and he likes to play that. and so instead of centering the people of puerto rico in their suffering and the inept response from many levels of government, he made it about him. i think that's the deeper tragedy within the tragedy is that he didn't recognize where the real tragedy was. >> what are you going to be watching for as he makes his way down to north and south carolina this week? it didn't go well suffice to say the last time he tried this when he went down to puerto rico after hurricane maria. there was the shots of him passing -- >> yes. the hurricane response with an nba moment. i am honestly not going to be looking very much. when i look and listen whey get are lies from our president. just this fact week "the washington post" fact checkers reported 5,000 lies since his inauguration not to mention a lifetime of deceit against

creditors, against government alt many levels. i don't take at face value the things that he says, but i will hope for the best which in this case is the least. if he says as little as possible, if he does as little as possible, it's probably best the professionals in government can do their job. >> in this line of work for better or worse, i have a thing set on my phone when the president tweet its buzzes. >> why do you hate yourself, david? >> it could be happening right now on the air. >> you should love yourself more. >> i bring this up because we have learned, nbc is reported that this week there's going to be a test of the new fema system and the president is going to be able to conceivably text 100 million americans in the event of a national disaster. what do you think of that? >> it's hard to imagine a more worse use of cell phone technology than to amplify from our commander in chief. he's not shown himself worthy of communication through digital means, through text messaging,

so i can unfollow on twitter. i don't know how to unfollow on my whole cell phone. maybe this is the urge we all needed, the motivation we needed to unplug a little bit, to turn our wi-fi off and just be with each other and not be with the misinformer in chief. >> going back to what we started with, the allegations that have been detailed here in "the washington post," how optimistic are you that there's going to be a pause? clin things are going to slow down and we'll take the time to figure out the allegations that are being made have the veracity that were alleged during the piece. >> i am not optimistic about a specific outcome, but i am optimistic about the process that i've seen. what i've seen are citizens taking the reins of government. in the case of collins, his campaign is called february a hero. collins be a hero. there are already so many reasons to pause. we've got a demonstrate. people are flooding the hart

office building at 9:00 this thursday should shows hearings continue. i feel optimistic about this level of engagement. whether the republicans in the senate are willing to listen to those voices, i will make no betts. >> great to see you. >> thanks so much. >> not wearing a tucks today. >> not election day. >> lots more to come on the sexual misconduct allegation against supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh as the woman accusing him tells her story to the "washington post." as we were just discussing, what that could mean for his nomination. ahead of that vote scheduled for thursday of week among the senate judiciary committee. many people living with diabetes

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is technology with the power to change your life. life. to the fullest. welcome back. i'm david gura and we begin this hour about breaking news about supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh. just an hour ago his accuser going on the record for the first time in a new "washington post" report. the writer of that previously anonymous kavanaugh letter is christine blasey ford. she is a professor in california and she is speaking out about brett kavanaugh attempted to rape her in the early 1980s. he categorically denies that allegation and says he did not do this in high school or at any time. senator dianne feinstein is saying this in a statement released moments