troubles than his. and there are real questions about kavanaugh's debts and finances. >> thank you all very much. that is all for now. "the rachel maddow show" starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> food'good evening. so the first one was reported out by "the washington post." dr. christine blasey ford contacted her member of congress in california, and then ultimately her senator, a senior member on the judiciary committee, who is considering the supreme court nomination of judge brett kavanaugh. at the same time she reached out to those members of congress, she contacted "the washington post"'s anonymous tip line. the first time that we, the public, learned of her name is after "the washington post" got in touch with her thanks to that call to the tip line. the post vetted her story, and published an interview with her by investigative reporter emma brown. so that was the first one. the second one was reported out by "the new yorker" magazine,

which contacted deborah ramirez themselves after they were told by other yale classmates of judge kavanaugh, about an alleged incident at a yale college party. investigative reporter ronan farrow with "the new yorker" contacted and interviewed the alleged victim. he and his fellow reporter, spoke to corroborating witnesses and investigated her account, and then they published this piece this weekend. then there was the third one, the thishd ord one, not vetted news organizations before it was public. attorney michael avenatti, who has become sort of a trump white house nemesis because of his representation of stormy daniels, in a scandal that has resulted in the president's personal attorney pleading guilty to multiple felonies, and implicating the president in those crimes, for the third one it wasn't a new organization, it was michael avenatti announcing himself, publicly, that he had a new client, and in addition to

his client, he has other corroborating witnesses lined up who could support her account of another alleged incident, from when brett kavanaugh was in high school. now, those corroborating witnesses have thus far not been produced. but today, mr. avenatti released online a sworn statement from his client describing what she says she went through. she said she was the victim of a gang rape in 1982, at which she says that brett kavanaugh was present, although she didn't accuse him of being one of her rapists. now tonight there's a fourth one. this one reported out by nbc news. you see the headline here. senate probing new allegation of misconduct against kavanaugh. this was reported tonight just after 6:30 person by kasie hunt and others. "the senate judiciary committee is inquiring about at least one additional allegation of misconduct against supreme court

nominee brett kavanaugh," according to a letter obtained by nbc news. and according to multiple people familiar with the process. according to an anonymous complaint sent to republican senator corey gardner of colorado, brett kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman he socialized with in the d.c. area in 1998 while he was intoxicated. the complaint described an evening involving her own daughter, brett kavanaugh, and several friends in 1998. "when they left the bar under the influence of alcohol, they were all shocked when brett kavanaugh shoved her friend up against the wall very aggressively and sexually, and there were at least four witnesses, including my daughter." now, importantly, the writer of the letter provides no names, but says the alleged victim was still traumatized and had recently spoken about the incident to somebody else who knew about it and had decided to remain anonymous herself. nbc further reports "republican senate investigators asked

kavanaugh about the new complaint during a phone call yesterday between kavanaugh and committee staff. sources told nbc news that kavanaugh denied this latest allegation in the letter. while republican staff posed questions to kavanaugh about this allegation, the democratic counterparts were also on the call, but did not ask kavanaugh any questions about this matter. "a democratic source said the minority, meaning the democrats on the committee, were not satisfied with the republican's questions about this incident during the call. calling them cursory." they believe this matter should be investigated more deeply. so, again, nbc news reporting this tonight just after 6:30 p.m. eastern. shortly thereafter, very shortly thereafter, the senate judiciary committee published transcripts of two phone interviews they conducted with judge kavanaugh about these various sexual assault allegations. it was one conversation from

yesterday, and it was one conversation from last week. and, in fact, the nbc reporting is born out by the transcript of the kavanaugh call/committee interview from yesterday. i'll show you bits from that transcript here. you can see there are black boxes here. those are redactions that removed the names, so we can't see the names of those asking questions. but we do know from nbc reporting, these are republican staffers from the judiciary committee asking kavanaugh these questions. that's what we think these black boxes are. here's the relevant section of this transcript, which was just released tonight moments ago. a republican staffer says, thank you, judge. this is -- redacted again. i'm going to jump to the next set of questions unless you have anything to add on that topic. judge kavanaugh says, that's type by me, thank you. redacted staffer name says okay,

judge kavanaugh, on september 22 of this year, senator corey gardner received an anonymous letter sent from denver, alleging that you engaged in certain conduct in 1998. have you had an opportunity to review that letter? judge kavanaugh, i did look at that, i believe, yeah. redacted republican staffer's name again, says okay, i'm going to read from it. the letter states, i will remain anonymous but i feel obligated to inform you of this 1998 incident involving brett kavanaugh. and then the punctuation gets weird here. this republican staffer said he or she is just going to read from the letter, but the staffer stops quoting apparently, and in any case, this is how it goes in the transcript. it says "i will remain anonymous, but i feel obligated to inform you of this 1998 incident involving brett kavanaugh. then there's a closed quote, and then the staffer continues. when you were the author of the starr report, the author's

daughter from bolder, colorado, occasionally socialized with brett kavanaugh. she and a group of four, including kavanaugh, met in a washington, d.c. bar. her friend was dating him and they left the bar under the influence of alcohol. they were all shocked when brett kavanaugh shoved her friend up against the wall aggressively and sexually. there were four witnesses. her friend called my daughter yesterday, wondering what to do about it. they decided to remain anonymous. then the staffer asks, did those events occur? judge kavanaugh, no. we're dealing about an anonymous person, anonymous friend, and no, i've never done anything like that. redacted republican staffer name, just a few more specific questions. at any point while you were involved in the starr investigation, did you ever shove a woman up against the wall aggressively or sexually as

you left a bar? judge kavanaugh, no. at any point, did you ever behave violently toward a woman? judge kavanaugh, no. all right, just one moment please. the transcript says, pause. and there's another question from the staffer. when you were involved in the starr investigation, do you recall socializing with a woman from boulder, colorado? judge kavanaugh, no. while you were involved in the starr investigation, do you recall ever dating a woman who would fit the description in the letter provided to senator gardner? and then i think another republican staffer jumps in and says the anonymous letter. judge kavanaugh says, what's the description? the staffer says, just based on what -- judge kavanaugh says describe her appearance. the staffer says no, it's all we have is what i read. judge kavanaugh says, well then, i don't know what i'm responding to then. and that's the extent to which that allegation is addressed by the committee in that call yesterday with judge kavanaugh. that call of which we now have a transcript.

nbc news reporting tonight that democrats on the judiciary committee believe that republicans treated this allegation in a cursory matter, and they believe it should be investigated more deeply. so a couple of things. first of all, we're going to speak with one of the reporters who wrote that story for nbc news in a few minutes. we're going to get more information on this accusation. such as it exists. but in general, i want to say the next 24 hours is probably going to be a little nuts. the next 12 hours are probably going to be a little nuts. i include the overnight hours in my expectation how nuts the news is going to be. we are expecting the judiciary committee to hold their planned hearing tomorrow at 10:00 a.m. republicans are sticking with their plan that they will not ask any questions of the two witnesses who are scheduled for that hearing. brett kavanaugh and christine blasey ford. republican senators have instead hired a prosecutor from arizona

to fly in and ask their questions instead, which i imagine will be awkward and it will at least be unbalanced. the format of the questioning is each senator gets five minutes to ask questions with no second round, no followups. but we do think that all of the republican questions will be asked by the same person, who is not a republican senator. while all the democratic senators ask their questions. in addition to the nbc reporter who is going to be here in a moment on this latest allegation tonight, we're going to be speaking with one of the senators who is on the judiciary committee coming up in just a moment. so we'll be talking about what's expected tomorrow. the developments in this story have been rolling out fast and progressively. sort of with increasing speed as today has rolled into tonight and tonight has gotten later. so i am fully cognizant of the

risks that what i'm telling you might be overtaken by new events. my basic understanding of where we're at right now is that in addition to judge kavanaugh and dr. christine blasey ford, who are going to be testifying tomorrow, deborah ramirez, who is the woman who made the allegation against brett kavanaugh from that college party at yale, she also has now offered to testify at tomorrow's hearing. we spoke with her attorney on this show last week, and that wasn't clear. he's now making clear she would testify to that committee. michael avenatti's client, julie swetnick, has also offered to testify at tomorrow's hearing. both of those women have stated it's their preference they would like the fbi to investigate their allegations as part of a reopened background check into brett kavanaugh. the white house and senate republicans appear to be unwilling to let the fbi reopen its back ground check. republicans also appear unwilling to allow either deborah ramirez or julie swetnick to testify tomorrow, alongside christine blasey ford.

now, we don't know how their allegations will be handled, if at all, by the committee that's making the decision on judge kavanaugh's nomination. i also should tell you that the two allegations that have been made against judge kavanaugh that date to his time in high school, both of those high school era accusations make reference to a high school friend of his named mark judge. there have been calls from multiple democrats on the committee and attorneys for both of those high school era accusers for mark judge to testify to the committee tomorrow. he will also not be called to testify before the committee. as of tonight, though, mark judge's college girlfriend is offering to testify to the committee herself. she says mark judge confided to her that when he was in high school, he participated in sexual misconduct. that falls very much along the lines of what has been alleged in this new sworn statement by michael avenatti's client, julie swetnick. but, again, republicans are not

plans on allowing that testimony either. so we have offers of testimony from multiple accusers. we have requests for testimony from multiple witnesses, particularly one witness who was a close friend of brett kavanaugh's in high school. we also have an offer of testimony from somebody who is -- had a close association with that witness, who wants to testify about what he told her. senate republicans are not planning on hearing any of that testimony, they do not want to hear from anybody except for brett kavanaugh and christine blasey ford. in advance of the testimony from those two people tomorrow, attorneys for judge kavanaugh and dr. ford have now both released prepared remarks that will be the basis of opening statements for each of them tomorrow. judge kavanaugh's opening remarks, as prepared, those remarks roughly follow the same contours of the public statements that he's made thus far. basically saying in unequivocal

terms he denies all of these allegations about all forms of sexual misconduct. he does add a little bit of detail to his previous public denials, quoting from his prepared statement, which we have obtained today, because his lawyers released it, "dr. ford's allegation dates back more than 36 years, to a party she says occurred during our time in high school. i spent most of my time in high school focused on academics, sports, church, and service. but i was not perfect in those days, just as i am not perfect today. i drank beer with my friends. sometimes i had too many. in retrospect i said and did things in high school that make me cringe now. but that's not why we are here today. what i've been accused of is far nor serious than juvenile misbehavior. i never did anything remotely resembling what dr. ford describes." so, again, that denial from judge kavanaugh, he will apparently issue in his opening statement tomorrow. that's roughly in keeping with the denials he's issued thus

far. both to dr. ford's allegations and the other allegations that have since followed. in the opening statement that will be delivered by dr. christine blasey ford, however, there's quite a bit of new detail and information that we have not had before. and we've got that prepared statement from her, as well. i'm not going to read all of it. it would take 15, 20 minutes to do that. but you're going to want to watch it tomorrow. i want to read you some of it now. again, this may not be what she says. these are her remarks prepared for delivery. but you should know this is some of what she's going to say. stas

>> now, at this point in her testimony, dr. ford goes on to explain who else she has told over the years about this alleged assault, and under what circumstances. her lawyers today released affidavits from people, including her husband, who dr. ford told about the assault before kavanaugh was named to the supreme court. those are sworn statements filed by her lawyers today. in her testimony, she goes on to talk about how her allegations became public, how she decided to convey them to the congress,

how she's interacted with the senate. you'll want to watch her full remarks tomorrow. it's not necessarily the way it's been portrayed in the press thus far. i'm just going to read one other piece of it. this is how her prepared testimony ends.

>> so, again, that's not the complete opening statement from christine blasey ford, but that is some of what's in her prepared remarks, what her prepared remarks will say to open this hearing tomorrow. we do expect news on this story to continue to develop through the night, including this latest allegation, a fourth allegation from 1998, which has just been reported for the first time tonight from nbc news, which the senate has subsequently released new information about. one of the roshters w ereporter that story will join us, as well as a senator.

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reopened confirmation hearings on the supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh, this is a hearing where senators will hear details of a serious sexual assault allegation, on the eve of that hearing, all ten democrats on that committee today wrote to president trump asking the president to direct an fbi investigation of the allegations against judge kavanaugh, or withdraw kavanaugh's nomination in the face of these allegations. joining us now is senator chris coons, a member of the judiciary committee. thank you very much for being here. i know this is an incredibly busy and intense time. >> thank you, rachel. good to be on with you again. i'm struck as we are preparing for tomorrow's hearing, that there are even more accusations against judge kavanaugh that have come out today. so we've got dr. ford, who will be testifying tomorrow. but we've got deborah ramirez and julie swetnick who have also offered to be interviewed by the committee or the fbi, or both.

and i think it's more urgent than ever, given this latest accusation that there be a full fbi investigation before we come to any sort of a final vote on judge kavanaugh. >> as new allegations have come forward, and, again, nbc news tonight is reporting on a letter that was received through senator corey gardner's office, which makes another anonymous l allegation against judge kavanaugh that dates to 1998. as these allegations f s come forward, they all have different levels of corroboration, if any, any sign that the white house or the republican leadership on the committee is budging at all on this issue of whether the fbi should look into these allegations? >> no, rachel. to the best of my knowledge, senator grassley, who is the chairman of the committee, is driving forward. majority leader mitch mcconnell has said that he intends to have judge kavanaugh seated on the court by next week. and i frankly have not heard any

indication that they are softening on their position that we will have all the evidence we need to make a final vote here on judge kavanaugh. i strongly disagree. these are compelling and very disturbing allegations by each of the additional women who have come forward. and i would think in the interest of the integrity of the supreme court, frankly even in judge kavanaugh's interest, to have a chance for him to present any more evidence that he might have to clear his name. they should want the fbi to investigate. i certainly feel strongly that without the fbi looking at the corroborating evidence that dr. ford has come forward with, folks that she disclosed this history, this alleged violent, terrifying sexual incident she had with judge kavanaugh as a teenager, without those being examined, corroborated, and put in front of the committee, we're not doing our job, and this is not a full and fair process. >> in terms of how the process is going to go tomorrow, you

raised sort of an alert about the fact that this is essentially going to be sort of a lightning process tomorrow, that senators will be given five minutes to ask questions, and that's it. no followup, no second round. how do you expect this to up fold tomorrow, particularly given this unusual situation where your republican colleagues prepare to be outsourcing their own questions to an external prosecutor, who has been brought in from arizona to ask questions instead of the senators themselves. >> rachel, if the majority -- if the republicans on the committee think that by hiring an outside prosecutor they can hide behind that and not be held accountable, if her tone is prosecutorial, if she tries to put dr. ford on trial, i think they're sadly mistaken. i'll remind you that it was 27 years ago, just 100 feet from me right now, that professor anita hill came forward to the senate judiciary committee, and in the

response nationally, many women who ran for office were elected, including senator feinstein, who is now the ranking democrat on the judiciary committee, and patty murray. 1992 was a significant year for women, electorally in this country. i think this attempt to rush through a single round of questioning just five minutes each for judge kavanaugh and for dr. ford is a significant mistake and will be taken by the people of the united states as an attempt to rush to judgment on judge kavanaugh. >> senator, obviously those -- the political fallout from what happened 27 years ago at the anita hill and clarence thomas hearings is never far from anybody's mind in terms of covering washington dynamics, the political dynamics here are real. obviously the seriousness of these allegations is also very resonant. i think male and female senators who are looking at these matters fairly. as this process gets under way,

as we get closer to this hearing tomorrow with the kind of speed that we're expecting, all these allegations to be handled tomorrow, and not hearing from all these other witnesses, i wonder if within the senate you are hearing about or having conversations either among just your democratic colleagues or across the aisle, where people have misgivings about this process or are thinking about some off ramp to not end this confirmation hearing the way this looks like this is going to end tomorrow, is there anything going on in terms of senators talking to one another that makes it seem like people might be looking for a third way? >> rachel, i've had several conversations with colleagues, both republican and democrat today, and in recent days, who are deeply uncomfortable, unhappy with this process on the committee. and are trying to find a way to get some brief but appropriate and professional process in place. 27 years ago, then president george bush, republican

president, directed the fbi to investigate her allegations, and in just four days they came back to the committee and the committee had 20 witnesses. that included witnesses who were experts in the dynamics of sexual assault, as well as folks who were there, both to support judge thomas' story and to corroborate some of professor hill's allegations. the idea that in several weeks we haven't been able to get that done here, i think is very frustrating. to both democrats and republicans. look, republicans face a real risk here. if they vote to confirm judge kavanaugh, if they push him through on friday and then seat him on monday or tuesday of next week, and any of these four allegations that are now out there publicly turn out to be true, they will bear the cost of having sent someone to the supreme court who is a known sexual violator of young women or who has been sexually aggressive when drunk at different points in his life. nobody wants to take that risk. and by the same token, i think -- i've heard concern from

republicans that they think we're simply trying to drag this out past the midterm elections. i don't think that's true. i do think it's possible for us to have the fbi do a prompt and appropriate professional questioning of some of the core people here. i'll just raise one. mark judge. why are we not hearing from mark judge tomorrow? dr. ford puts him in the room during her sexual assault when she was 15. if she was making this up, why would she say that it was brett kavanaugh's best friend, who was in the middle of this with her? and why has he not been questioned by the fbi or testifying tomorrow? why is deborah ramirez not in front of us tomorrow. this has to be on the minds of those still undecided and weighing this important moment tomorrow carefully. >> senator chris coons, democratic member of the senate judiciary committee, thank you for talking to us tonight, sir. good luck tomorrow. all right.

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senator, have you made up your mind how you're going to vote on judge kavanaugh? have you made up your mind on judge kavanaugh? >> i'm going to keep moving. i'll just very briefly say i want to hear what everybody has to say. and then i'll have to go from there. thank you very much. >> senator gardner, have you decided how you're going to vote

on judge kavanaugh? senator, very quickly, have you decided how you're going to vote on judge kavanaugh? >> nbc reporter garrett doing his best. rank and file republican senators were suddenly super busy and late for everything today on capitol hill, at least when inquiring reporters were nearby. and that was before tonight's news of a fourth, this time anonymous allegation that supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh physically assaulted a woman in washington, d.c. area in 1998. this fourth allegation followed julie swetnick's accusation earlier in the day that kavanaugh and his friend, mark judge, were overly aggressive with girls, including grabs them without consent in the 1980s, and kavanaugh may have been present when swetnick says she was raped at a house party. that allegation had intensified

t on senators, like susan collins and lisa murkowski. tonight, cnn reported -- >> again, that's cnn reporting about what republican senator susan collins is saying to other republican senators behind closed doors about the kavanaugh nomination, and about how these allegations against him are being handled. this afternoon, we also got this

remarkable picture. look at that. of lisa murkowski, senator murkowski on the right and senator diane feinstein on the left, having what one reporter described as an intense conversation. yeah, no kidding, in the capitol basement. these two senators reportedly hugged before diane feinstein waved everybody else away and the two began whispering out of earshot of reporters. we just heard senator chris coons say he's having multiple conversations with republican senators across the aisle. he said many of whom are expressing misgivings about the way this process is being handled. we don't know what's going to happen with senators at that

committee hearing tomorrow. we don't know what's happening among senators tonight as they all prepare for that hearing tomorrow. but we can at least be sure that whatever is happening right now, it is fairly intense. that we can tell with our own eyes. we'll be right back.

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playbook. they are going to inquire more about it and do more investigations. over to the fbi, but it's already been said the fbi is not going to go ahead and do it. and thp arenes on the committee are saying, look, this is anonymous. we don't know where it came from and we don't know where to begin. another thing i want to point out that is interesting, is this was a different time in his life. the other allegations were from

high school and college. this was from 1998 when he was a professional living in washington, d.c. and working for the ken starr investigation. and so it could, if they were able to investigate this, be part of some sort of pattern. but we don't know where it's going to go yet, rachel. >> the senate also tonight released transcripts of two calls/interviews that they've done with judge kavanaugh. one last weekend, one yesterday. and just as you've reported the transcript from the yesterday call with judge kavanaugh does show what appears to be republican senate staffers asking kavanaugh about these allegations. the way they stack up their questions to him on this matter shows them repeatedly referencing his work for ken starr, his work for the starr investigation at the time. the way they teed up all their questions to him about it, they seem very much focused on the fact he was working for ken starr at the time. is it clear was when he was exactly working for ken starr? is there any other indication

why staffers would be looking into that relevant into asking questions about this? >> i'm not really sure. i do know i was were about 1:45.

so we haven't had a lot of chance to follow up and ask people that, but it was an interesting question and i know democrats have been complaining about the process in how republicans are handling this investigation. they think when the committee interviewed brett kavanaugh a few days ago democrats didn't participate at all, they didn't listen into the call. so this time they listened, and both sides are complaining about how the other side is handling the process. there's not a lot of trust at all, and so they're going into the this hearing thinking that the other side is completely political and not doing what's in the best interest of dr. ford or for republicans, brett kavanaugh. rachel? >> nbc news political reporter who's been very aggressive on this story and turning in a lot

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it's wednesday, and i can't even remember the beginning of the week at this point. but i'm told that the week started with president trump heading to new york for the u.n. general assembly. this week, of course, also started with a national three-hour fire drill with conflicting reports about deputy attorney general rod rosenstein being summoned to the white house while the president was

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couldn't end the show without a little more breaking news. seun min kim from "the washington post" just reported that the senate judiciary staff just held another interview with supreme court nominee brett kavanaugh tonight. this time it was about new allegations against brett kavanaugh leveled by julie swetnick being represented by attorney michael avnotmy. democrats and republican were on the call with judge kavanaugh, but only republicans asked questions because democrats objected to the questions being handled piecemeal by committee staff and not by a thorough and nonpartisan fbi investigation. a thorough and nonpartisan fbi investigation