impeached for lying about anita hill. >> a historic and defining moment for the country. >> we're going to see you on "morning joe," as well. we will be reading axios, as well. you, too, can sign up for the newsletter. >> that does it for us. "morning joe" starts right now. >> last night, the republican staff of this committee released to the media a timeline that shows that they've interviewed two people who claim they were the ones who actually assaulted you. i am asking you to address this new defense of mistaken identity directly. dr. ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you 12347. >> 100%. >> the day after the allegation appeared, i told this committee

that i wanted a hearing as soon as possible to clear my name. i demanded a hearing for the very next day. unfortunately it took the committee ten days to get to this hearing. in those ten long daes, my family and my name have been totally and permanently destroyed by vicious and false additional accusations. the ten-day delay has been harmful to me and my family, to the supreme court, and to the country. >> it was nearly nine hours of extremely emotional testimony yesterday from dr. christine bl bl blasey ford and dr. brett

kavanaugh. willie summed it up this morning, in the absence of new evidence, how do collins, murkowski, flake, et al. choose between a smart, poised woman claiming adamantly she was assaulted by he brett kavanaugh and two a public servant unequivocally denying it was him? the committee is scheduled to meet at 9:30 this morning where they are still expected to vote. welcome to "morning joe." it is friday, september 28th. along with joe, willie and me we have susan delpercio, former u.s. district attorney and msnbc contributor joyce advance and columnist and associate editor of "the washington post" and misin connecti msnbc columnist eugene. what a week it has been. it was an incredible day

yesterday. >> what are your thoughts? let's start with dr. ford. >> extremely compelling. extremely painful. i had tears in my eyes during both opening statements. >> and let me ask you a question. yesterday it was an extraordinary day. and you were, you were tearing up. there were a couple of times i was coughing tearing up. what is the last political event that you can remember you were tearing up, other than every time barack obama gives a speech. no. well, i cried when barack obama gave speeches for completely different reason. >> no, you didn't. >> but what an extraordinary day, what an emotional day.

you were tearing up during the her testimony and during his testimony and his wife. >> that was the thing. and i would go on twitter saying is most horrible things, taking sides, and i felt uncomfortable watching this whole thing. and i couldn't help but believe every step of the day yesterday that this is exactly what donald trump wants. and what he's been working for since he decided to run for president. he sows doubt, he defames people, and he loves pitting people against each other. and i feel like democrats and republicans are falling for whatever joke he has played on this cup. and i do agree with brett kavanaugh, this is a circus and we're not going to get to the

truth this way. i was extremely sad for politics and the media yesterday. >> if you can not watch both of these human beings suffering and not feel empathy for them, then you were so bias and you were so sold into your political side and you so determined what you were going to believe, than you really shouldn't be reporting. >> but the reaction to dr. ford and the -- the passion that women feel right now for her, it is due to trump. we have a president who has been accused of sexual harassment and assault and claims he does it. and we are, i think, collectively at this point --

but mika, what does that have to do with what i just said? >> because one woman is stepping up and being heard and we believe her. we want to hear her. yet there are facts that are undisputable. there are a lot of facts and challenges to this case and it's painful to watch people digging in. so i don't think in this arena we will know the truth. and i think the weakness you pointed out in realtime was him not saying he could totally accept an investigation. that was the biggest hole. >> let's get to that. i want to make my bigger point and i'll say it again. if you watched the opening statements and you didn't have empathy for both of those people and you immediately went on twitter and started trashing them the based on your political affiliation, you shouldn't be a reporter. you're too bias.

i didn't support cavanaugh. i expressed well well before this. if he believes what he says and his life has been absolutely destroyed and his faem's reputation has been destroyed and his children have said to destroy this, what public figure can't feel for that person? i know, willie, we were talking about this and talked about how compelling dr. ford was. and brett kavanaugh, talk about that. but also, there was a defining moment where sort of the guard.dropped for

brett cavanaugh and he got on theive and it just didn't make sense. >> i think when senator durbin confronted him with why not have an fbi investigation, things started to unravel for him. if you look at his tone and posture after that, he went back and forth with senator feinstein. he looked more than defensive at that point. >> it wasn't a perry mason moment, but if these hearings had a perry mason moment, that was it. and it's not going to change a single vote. the people that were going to vote for cavanaugh before are going to vote for him after. i still don't know who is telling the truth and who is not. nobody does. but that was a moment where you just said it makes no sense that

he and every republican are afraid to have an fbi -- they can talk about delay. it's a week. the world knows what that is about. they don't want the fbi to talk to mark judge. >> and we've said that for a week and a half now since we've first heard about this. if you were brett kavanaugh, wouldn't you want a third party to look at this just so you could point at it and say don't take my word for it. take the fbi's word for it. he was given that chance i believe 19 times. he was asked, do you want the fbi to look at it? >> you know what? you would do that the first day. if you were saying this the about me, i would say bring in the fbi. i want them in right now. i want -- you know what? bring in the nsa.

bring in everybody you can bring in. investigate it now. but the excuses, oh, they've already done six on this? listen, and they said oh, but mark judge has -- this is a guy that is a recovering alcoholic and a lot of other issues. he's not going to lie. >> exactly. and they don't want that. the failure to have an fbi investigation which both sides could put faith into it, at least a measure of faith into it, because it would be conducted on sort of an equal basis. it's not my polygraph test. it's not my affidavits. it's the fbi's findings, whatever they may be. without that, half the country is going to think the investigation is illegitimate. >> can somebody tell lindsey graham he can scream as loud as

he wants. it does not change the fact and it will not distract americans from the fact that they're just trying to rush this through as quickly as possible because they don't want anything else to come up and they don't want the fbi to have three days to talk to mark judge. they could start it today and be done by sunday night. >> versus a lifetime appointment to the supreme court. >> with a cloud, mika, over his head. >> so in his opening statements, judge kavanaugh said he welcomed an fbi investigation and wouldn't go there again during the questioning. >> when this allegation first arose, i welcomed any investigation, senate, fbi or otherwise. i know that any kind of investigation, senate, fbi, montgomery county police, whatever, will clear me. >> if you, judge kavanaugh,

turned don mcghan and to this committee and said for the sake of my name, and to get to the bottom of this, i am not going to be an obstacle -- >> i welcome whatever the committee wants to do. i'm telling you truth. >> i want to do what you want to do. >> i'm innocent. i'm innocent of this charge. >> you don't want an fbi investigation? >> they don't reach conclusions. >> if there is no truth to her charges, the fbi investigation will show that. are you afraid that they might not? >> come on. gee whiz. >> the fbi does not reach -- you know that's a phony question because the fbi doesn't reach conclusions. >> judge kavanaugh, will you support an fbi investigation right now? >> i will do whatever the committee wants to -- >> personally, do you think that's the best thing for us to

do? you won't answer? >> look, senator, i've -- i have said i wanted a hearing and i said i would welcome anything. i'm incident. >> not a perry mason moment, but certainly the moment that judge cavanaugh's defense certainly wavered. the fbi can go in and ask questions instead of getting a piece of paper that they can draft for him. >> i have a slightly different take away from all this. a friend of mine, a lifelong democrat said, well, maybe it

will make him a better judge because he knows what it feels like to be accused of something and maybe it will give him insight. but after watching the hearing and watching judge kavanaugh, i think he will be -- his temperament is just not suited. i think he's going to be resentful. even if it clears him, i think he dug himself into a hole yesterday that he can't come out of without being angry and resentful. >> do you know who else people said that happened to? clarence thomas. he was transformed. the hearings transformed him, whether you think he was innocent or guilty, he got on to the court. he was ainge ary. and it made him, many people believe, far more of a hard liner during his entire term than he would have been because he felt so abused by the process.

and, again, people can pass their judgment, but, god, there is a parallel. >> there is. >> and it is clarence thomas. you now have a guy who declared open warfare against the democrats. i'm not judging him for it. i'm just not, given everything he went through. but that's not good for the court. >> no. but he also lent in that partisan conversation about bringing up clinton and donald trump and that is what really unsettled me, joe. that's where i started to feel this person is angry and i don't know if he can come out of it. >> the clinton line, didn't you think, susan, that was the grand conspiracy line that really made -- no problem with you being upset. and angry at what's been done to you and the way the democrats held this to the very end, leaked it. diane feinstein apparently they were saying shopping a lawyer for dr. ford.

i understand him thinking that the process was rigged against him. but, boy, that clinton line, who couldn't flinch. >> that was my turning moment with him. i was never a big fan of judge kavanaugh, but i thought he should be heard. i think we should allow for the possibility he didn't do this. but when i heard him go down that road, it really turned me. >> so the object of yesterday's hearing was to find out the truth. we shouldn't have to sit here and say who looked more angry? who was more convincing? i don't think we got any closer to that answer. you had a woman who clearly suffered a dramatic incident. you had a nominee in brett kavanaugh who clearly and adamantly believes it was not him. so now again, the question i posed on twitter last night, what is a senator to do with what he or she saw yesterday?

>> well, you're right, willie. the problem is there is not a definitive version of the truth. neither side said i was wrong and you're right. what you have to do and what prosecutors do is begin to weigh the credibility of all of the evidence. and the key problem here is we don't have all the evidence. we have not had an fbi investigation. so i hold strongly against judge kavanaugh the fact that he could never come out and call for an fbi investigation. it's the logical thing to do. and he kept going back to the fact that, well, i called for a hearing. a hearing is not an investigation. >> and the hearing is controlled by chuck grassley. we saw just how down the middle chuck grassley was yesterday. it was an embarrassing spectacle. it really did. chuck grassley embarrassed himself. he embarrassed the republican party. he embarrassed the committee. there needs to be a new judiciary chairman or chair woman there.

chair woman would be a pretty good concept for republicans. >> or even just woman. just a woman on the committee. but a very good point. and saying, oh, the republicans are jamming this through and saying we're going to just -- it doesn't matter what evidence is up. we're going to get this vote. lindsey graham saying i don't care what the accusers are saying, we're going to get this vote. really? they're really saying that that is the investigation, that that is as good of an investigation as the fbi? >> this is a man who will sit on the supreme court of the united states for decades. and as much as his personal integrity has been called into question in this process, the integrity of the court will be called into question if he was confirmed without a process where the american people feel like they have a better answer. >> you know what's interesting, guys? the american bar association last night which strongly supported brett kavanaugh said, pump the brakes after it was

done yesterday. we need an fbi investigation pulling back their endorsement. >> say no more. i don't think that's ever happened before. >> it is the right thing to do. the american bar association who, again, strongly recommended brett kavanaugh, said just hold on. and, again, think about how preposterous it is that trump, mcconnell, graham, all of these men are saying we have to rush to a vote now. we have to move this as quickly as possible. >> are they really going to vote today? >> this guy could be on the court until 2050. 2050. and they can't wait four days for an fbi investigation so he can go on the court without a cloud over his head? >> and by the way, they say to dr. ford, thanks very much, nice lady, as lindsey graham calls her during the break. we won't say to your face that we don't believe you. we'll just go ahead and pretend

that you weren't here. coming up next on "morning joe," the role of lindsey graham in all of this. we'll be right back. graham in all of this we'll be right back. >> this whole two-week effort has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit fueled with apparent pent up anger about president trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and millions of dollars in money from outside left wing opposition groups. this is a circus. opposition groups. this is a circus people tell me all the time i have the craziest job, the riskiest job. the consequences underwater can escalate quickly. the next thing i know, she swam off with the camera. it's like, hey, thats mine! i want to keep doing what i love.

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was 18. so the seniors were legal. yeah, we drank beer and i said sometimes probably had too much beers and sometimes other people had too many beers. what do you -- we drank beer. we liked beer. >> what do you consider to be too many beers? >> i don't know. you know, we -- whatever the chart says. blood alcohol chart. >> and that change was the last we heard from prosecutor mitchell. republicans on the judiciary committee sat in silent behind mitchell. chairman grassley did the speaking for them, but then senator lindsey graham reclaimed his time using it to clam his democratic colleagues. >> if you wanted an fbi investigation, you would have

come to us. what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open and hope you win in 2020. you've said that, not me. you've got nothing to apologize for. when you see sotomayor and kagan, tell them they say hello. this is the most unethical sham since i've been in politics. >> and that was just part of it. joining us now from political, garrett. good morning. what is senator graham's role in all this? we saw a preview of this during the break when he went out to the cameras and began that argument. >> if brett kavanaugh is on the supreme court this time next

week, he needs to send lindsey graham a fruit basket. .he made armies saying if a man can be brought down like this without proof, being in the room yesterday, you can tell see him getting more and more angry. he was saying a lot of same things out in the hallway talking to reporters. here is some of that conversation. >> when they say she wasn't sure, we're willing to go out there, that is a bunch of bull. we were willing to go to california. we were told she couldn't fly. we're 40 some days away from the election and their goal is to lay this past the midterms and not allow trump to fill this seat. i don't know who paid for a

polygraph, but somebody did. the friends on the other side set it up to be just the way it is. i feel ambushed. >> and for folks who felt like the testimony they were seeing in the room was disturbing and ugly and mott the kind of brits we like to see, the scenes in the hallways were similar. >> senator graham, i was raped 13 years ago. i don't remember being -- do you believe me? >> it was just as contentious of a scene between folks watching this, protesters on the hills, dialed up to 11 all day long. >> so there are a handful of undecided votes on kavanaugh. where do they stand this morning? >> this is entirely too

familiar. the two female senators who have been at the middle of every decision up here, collins, murkowski, flake and joe manchion all met in their small office in the capital immediately after this hearing concluded before meeting with the rest of their colleagues discussing the way forward on this. we did catch up with jeff flake and you could see how anguished he was about making this decision. watch this. >> a close call. you leave with doubts whenever way. that's the nature of this. there is no way you can hearing

that hearing room with certainty that you're completely right, he's right, she's wrong, she's right, he's wrong. i mean, you just -- you're never certain. you just do the best you can. that is what we're trying to do. >>. >> flake is the only one of those swing votes on the committee itself. so we'll know how he's voting potentially as early as 9:00, 10:00 this morning. >> lindsey graham has gone from being john mk contaccain's wing being donald trump's carnival barker. an audience of one a month after john mccain, who worked with

people across the aisle who was attacked to have the political courage to be bipartisan. so, anyway, they sort of had this pack where they were going to either all go with him or all go against him. now we have flake and you just wonder whether he's going to be part of that pact, as well. that way nobody has to cast the deciding vote to pupil hit on the court or take him off the court. we know joe very well. it will be very hard for a west virginia senator to vote against kavanaugh given that 70% of people in west virginia would

support his elevation to the bench. >> i've given up thinking that there's a lot joe mancion can't do in west virginia if he wants to. he's well ahead in the polls in his race in the state that is arguably the prumppiest that i can think of. i actually think manchion has more latitude here than a lot of people give him credit for. he can vote no and he can get away with it. >> now, on the other side, it's hard for me to imagine susan collins, after saying she's been a pro choice candidate throughout her entire career,

selling hers as a pro choice candidate. i know she said he's not going to the alter roe v. wade. if she believes that today, i feel sorry for her that she has been in washington that long and doesn't understand what is happening if kavanaugh becomes supreme court justice. but how does susan collins support brett kavanaugh after yesterday, after the hostility and after the clear indzcation that he is going to be a right wing justice for the next 40 years? >> and i think while she's maybe undecided before yesterday's testimony, this probably should have shifted her more to the

know given the way we know she thinks. she does not have to go along and get along. but she really should. she has to stand up and show what matters to her. she's up for re-election in two years. i don't think she's going to seek re-election. she could be her moment to have impactly impacted the court for the next 50 years. >>. >> i think people might agree it's a difficult place to be if one accusation can end a career in any field. but if you believe that, why not see whether or not it happened. why have somebody else look into it? he's not as he believes one accusation but the findings of the fbi or some other third party institution? >> wouldn't you logically say

this is a scam, they are setting him up. they are trying to destroy his career. that is why we need the fbi to go. that's what you would logically say unless you were trying to scream, yell, distract and call a vote the next day. >> just these 302s that are meaningless. >> we're just drinking over here and we're going to leave. >> they are -- but, you know, you're speaking under penalty of perjury and i spoke yesterday with people who participated in

judicial voting. they reminded me that one of the things the fbi does is they can talk to witnesses who don't want to be publicly identified. so they show up in the reports as t1 and t2 and that's how they're designated. that gives the fbi tips that they can go and follow up on. they don't take the anonymous sources at face value, but they can follow up on those leads. they can go back to the candidate and question events that they are told about. it gives them a fuller process. but in this case, we know there's specifics. dr. ford asked repeatedly for that date so she could specify things. the fbi can do a lot here. >> i was going to say a worse about jeff flake whose anguish we saw there.

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joining us now is national political reporter for axios, jonathan swan. >> can i ask, you said that actually that somebody on capitol hill -- we were talking about all of these expressions that were in the year book. you said somebody on capitol hill went in and changed a wikipedia entry for something that was on his -- >> so there was a tweet last night that indicated that a change was made to wikipedia to make a definition of a term that was used yesterday in testimony conform to that testimony. >> axios is looking, jonathan,

is the fallout of the brett kavanaugh vote and how it will escalate this era's ugliness into politics. i can't imagine it getting worse. how bad is that going to get? >> we're hearing about the impeachment for the 2020 campaign. one top democrat strategist last night said to us the only question is who says it first. we did a story. the real divide was not going to be about policy. it's hower far to go in the norm busting direction. avenatti has already called for an fdr kind of approach. now we will be talking seriously, i guarantees you,

about the impeachment of a supreme court justice which has only been tried once in history, early 1800s and failed. so we are in a new era and there have been renewed calls, as well, for the impeachment of clarence thomas. >> johnen than, what's your read on the hill and how much pressure is donald trump now putting on murkowski and collins and others to vote for kavanaugh? >> i asked someone on the team kavanaugh who is involved in all this. i said is trump making calls? and they started laughing. trump can't pure persuade any of these -- give me a break. a washington post reporter has been making calls to try and sway some of these members. honestly, people in the white house last night had no idea what was inside jeff flake's mind. >> is there any evidence that the white house and brett kavanaugh are connecting on

strategy? because i hear a lot in the media yesterday about this is what the president wants. he did what the president wants. do you really think the president is pulling the strings on judge kavanaugh's approach and strategy in the middle of these hearings? >> i don't think that yesterday's anger was manufactured to -- i've heard people say an audience of one. just as a viewer, it seemed if he did believe he was innocent of what he's been accused of, not being angry would seem unnatural. >> i kind of agree with you on that. susan, what about brett kavanaugh's approach, his emotional outbursts, his anger? i saw a lot of reporters on twitter reading into that as a sign of guilt or independennoce

mostly guilt. is this fair? is this what we should be doing? >> and we heard a lot about how dr. ford was strong but fragile. there were some word choices that were for men and for women. and i think what was also very harmful to judge kavanaugh was his combativeness. and it did actually show itself probably the worst with senator cloviture. >> the durbin moment about the fbi was startling and then after he and senator cloviture were having a very respectful back and forth and, in fact, he even thanked her for the respectful back and forth, she asked him some questions about drinking, let him know that she had a history of it in her family. and then he was -- >> it was a little bizarre, actually. it seemed like a momentary

lapse. >> it was a lapse, which he apologized for, but my gosh, not a window into -- not a window into his soul that he would want to show people. watch this. >> okay. drinking is one thing. but the concern is about truthfulness. and in your written testimony, you said sometimes you had too many drinks. was there ever a time when you drank so much that you couldn't remember what happened or part of what happened the night before? no. i remember what happened and i think you've probably had beers, senator, and so has -- >> so you're saying there's never been a case where you drank so much that you didn't remember what happened the night before or part of what happened? >> you're asking about blackout. i don't know. have you? >> could you answer the question, judge, and just -- that's not happened. is that your answer? >> yeah. and i'm curious if you have. >> i have no drinking problem, judge. >> nor do i.

>> she asked me a question at the end that i responded by asking her a question. i'm sorry i did that. this is a tough process. i'm sorry about that. >> i appreciate that. i would like to add when you have a parent that's an alcoholic, you're pretty careful about drinking. >> the apology, susan, came after a break, after obviously -- i don't know perhaps his wife, somebody said, hey, not a good look on you going after the first woman who actually asks you -- by the way, very polite questions. she was very polite, very respectful. was just trying to get facts. >> and we know he's been practicing with the white house, and with don mcghan. he's gone through these sessions. so the fact that he couldn't keep himself dignified and just simply just move on is especially troubling to me. >> so, joyce, before we go really quickly, i just thought his answers to that question

were interesting because clearly you admit to blackout and then you are creating a whole new avenue of doubt. i didn't feel -- i am not the judge and the jury here and i don't like weighing in on this at all. i didn't feel he was comfortable with his own answer. his no was said very lightly. i feel like the answer would be very different if it was before an fbi investigator. is that a -- >> well, i'm not sure. you know, he is under penalty of perjury had here. he's testifying. his ea he's under oath. >> so his testimony was no, i've never experienced blackout. >> why not just say that? >> he had a hard time coming out and talking about these topics directly. maybe that's because he doesn't want to be boxed in because maybe at some future date somebody might come forward or maybe it's because it is a hard process. >> what was your take on this

moment? >> i thought itten want an appalling lapse. if she had come into the courtroom and done that, he would have been held in contempt. he asked her questions, it was rude. he was in her face. >> it was him saying about the year book and trying to claim that that thing about the alumnist, everyone knew -- the idea that that was a friendly reference, it were those moments which did not seem credible. the most credible moments were the big picture where he forthrightly said i've never done the sexual assault. it was these little moments where it didn't feel authentic. >> it was hard. and this is all -- again, we just have to stay with the facts and what we saw here yesterday. jonathan swan, thank you very, very much. still ahead, dr. ford and judge kavanaugh weren't the only ones grilled during yesterday's hearing. senator diane feinstein was

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this was extremely emotional, extremely raw, and extremely credible. and nobody could listen to her deliver those words and talk about the assault and the impact it had on her life and not have your heart go out to her. she obviously was traumatized by an event. you're actually being too nice. so far we've heard from six people, rachel mitchell three times from three senators. three democratic senators speaking for themselves. this is a disaster for the republicans. >> i think some of us had some questions as to whether or not judge kavanaugh was going to be able to match the emotion, just the raw moments that we saw from christine blasey ford this morning and the answer is

absolutely yes. >> so, gene, that was chris wallace on fox news. the two bites we added together. first after ford finished testifying and then judge kavanaugh. you heard from fox news and also from republicans, even lindsey graham trying to separate dr. ford being a compelling witness and what she went through from the process and saying democrats ran a dishonest process here. >> yeah. and the answer, that's all well and good but there's dr. forpup heard dr. ford. you heard what she said and how she said it. for republicans, for anybody, i think, who listened to her entire, that entire morning of testimony, it was compelling. it was at times searing. it affected you deeply. i think, you know, you saw republicans come out of that

hearing, the senators on that panel almost shell shocked after her testimony. and then it switched. this is highly inconvenient for those of us who had to write columns yesterday because i had to write two entire -- then i did one column and another column taking in the entire day. >> eugene robinson, thank you very much for being on. long day yesterday. in just over two hours another long day today. the senate judiciary committee will meet to vote on judge kavanaugh. kasie hunt will join us live from capitol hill on what she's hearing from lawmakers. plus brett kavanaugh accuse democrats of search and destroy tactics and reaches the one viewer he was hoping for. we'll also hear more from dr. christine blasey ford's emotional testimony and discuss what kind of impact it may have had on senators. "morning joe" will be right back. e right back

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memory and haunted me as an adult. >> a democratic senator on this committee publicly referred to me as evil. evil. think about that word. and said that those who supported me were quote complicit in evil. >> last night the republican staff of this committee released the media a timeline that shows that they've interviewed two people who claim they were the ones who actually assaulted you. i'm asking you to address this new defense of mistaken identity directly. dr. ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> i will not be intimidated into withdrawing from this process. you've tried hard. you've given it your all. no one can question your effort. but your coordinated and well

funded effort to destroy my good name and destroy my family will not drive me out. the vile threats of violence against my family will not drive me out. you may defeat me in the final vote. but you'll never get me to quit. never. >> what is the strongest memory you have, strongest memory of the incident, something that you cannot forget? take whatever time you need. >> indelible in the hipacampus is the laughter, the laughter between the two and they having fun at my expense. >> you never forgotten that laughter, never forgotten them laughing at you. >> they were laughing with each

other. >> and you were the object of the laughter. >> i was underneath one of them while the two laughed. two friends having a really good time with one another. >> i'm not questioning that dr. ford may have been sexually assaulted by some person in some place at some time. but i have never done this. to her or to anyone. that's not who i am. it is not who i was. i am innocent of this charge. i intend no ill will towards dr. ford and her family. the other night ashley, my daughter liza said their prayers. and little liza all of 10 years old -- said to ashley, we should

pray for the woman. taits l it's a lot of wisdom from a 10-year-old. >> with us we have republican strategist and nbc novelty susan. former urs attorney for the northern district of kbaem. former assistant united states attorney for the southern district of new york, daniel goldman. and historian, author of "soul of america" and professor at inventory der built university john meacham is with us this hour. >> john, let meg begin with you. i hate to sound like a broken record but as i went from one channel to another. i saw one person not alive in 1968 or not old enough to remember 1968 who another person not alive during the tumult of

the '60s and early '70s and also people just to be really blunt that can tell you what happened yesterday on the campaign trail but have no idea about american history. saying that this is the worst it's ever been. america will not survive this. we'll never get past this. i heard it during impeachment, i heard it during the 2000 recount, i heard it after september 11th. i heard it after iraq area. i heard down in september 2008, the meltdown. this is the worst it's ever been. but the good news is next week we're not even going to be talk about this, we'll be talking about rod rosenstein and then everybody else will say, this is the worst it's ever been. it's never been worst than this. we'll never recover from this. this is a blah, blah, blah,

blah, blah. you can put that down on your blog site, by the way. john, is this the worst it has ever been or maybe civil wars, vice presidents shooting secretaries of the treasury -- i don't know. is this the worst it's ever been and are we doomed because it got a little bit ugly yesterday? >> no and no. but that doesn't mean -- just because something has happened before doesn't mean it's not happening now. so i think -- >> that's my point, john. it's happening now. and it has happened before. it will happen again. and this is a resilient country. >> oh, totally resilient country. and the constitution was written for moments like this. it assumed that we were driven by appetite and ambition.

the framers made things the way they are because they made a very safe and good bet that's paid off that we will screw things up far more often than we get them right. so, i think -- look from a historical point of view, this is important and telling about the nature of the moment because there are a couple of different things and we can talk about them. but in the broadest, broadest sense, you know, our resilience is there. that does not take into account the human drama and the cultural moment that we're in where people are having a reckoning about these kinds of offenses. quickly, on the broad point, what we saw yesterday was in many ways the victory of tribalism, a fundamental

instinctive impulse to believe that which you wish to believe because your fellow tribesmen believe it over a fairly american openness to search for the truth. that's what the revolution was founded on. the revolution was founded on the idea that ideas and facts could change the world. what was the american revolution if not the victory of the idea of individual sovereignty that we were all given the right to determine our destiny and kings and popes and princes were not. and so that was the whole idea. the world used to be organized vertically. it was becoming organized horizontally. it was imperfect then. it's imperfect now because of slavery and women and we struggled through this. but i think the thing i found so

off putting about the republican performance yesterday was this pre-disposition to say we don't need, we don't even want, more to the point, they don't want, any other facts. >> right. >> and if you, final point, a lot of people in the conservative judicial world believe in the original intent of the founders. they believe they can discern that. here's something to think about. the true overarching driving original intent of the founders was that reason could take a stand against passion in the arena, and what you saw yesterday particularly on the right side of that committee was passion before reason. >> mika, that gets to the end of the process and i agree with john and we've all said we need more information, we need the fbi investigation, but you had dianne feinstein also as well

not able to answer a lot of questions. why was the information held? why was the letter held? you know what? the pat answers from the democrats on that, no better than the pat answers from the republicans on why don't you just do an fbi investigation? they held it. republicans didn't know about it. they went through the entire process and when it was obvious that kavanaugh -- nobody wants to talk about this -- when it was obvious that kavanaugh had the votes, then suddenly this became a moral imperative to bring it out. and compress the time frame. republicans have behaved horrifically since then. it's not about republicans blowing up yesterday. >> here's dianne feinstein trying to answer questions. take a look. >> i was given some information by a woman who was very much

afraid, who asked that it be held confidential and i held it confidential until she decided that she would come forward. >> i believe what you just said. can you tell us that your staff did not leak it? >> i don't believe my staff would leak it. i have not asked that question directly. but i do not believe they would. >> do you know that? how in the world did it get in the hands of the press? >> the answer is no. the staff -- >> have you asked your staff or other staff on the judicial committee? >> pardon me. well jennifer reminds me i've asked her before about it. >> somebody leaked it if it wasn't you. >> well, it was -- i'm telling you it was not -- i did not. i mean i was asked to keep it confidential. and i'm criticized for that too. >> for the record the first outlet that got the letter was the intercept and ryan graham

reported the letter didn't come from senator dianne feinstein's office but there were a small handful of people who had it. a congresswoman, a senator, and perhaps the judiciary committee, staff of that. somebody leaked it at the right time. somebody had it on july 30th. at senator feinstein's office. nobody saw it until a week or so ago, two weeks ago and now it's changed the course of history. clearly a strategic move from somebody who leaked it to the press. >> clearly. susan, what do republicans have to lose especially susan collins, murkowski, but all of them at this point stepping up this morning saying let's delay a vote, let's do an fbi investigation, you they could even say i want to vote for brett kavanaugh but i want his name cleared. and i want this conversation to end at a point where the law and

everybody involved has done everything possible to find out the facts. >> why wouldn't you want to clear his name? >> what would you have to lose? >> time. >> what would they have to lose >> time. >> what do you mean? >> every day that goes by is a worse day for judge kavanaugh. >> that's why -- wouldn't the fbi investigation help with that because at some point it would be over, right? >> it wouldn't change minds. unfortunately, it will not change minds. and it also won't change what we saw in the testimony that was happening yesterday. and i think that at this point you just have to decide if you want -- if you think that judge kavanaugh has the temperament, do you believe dr. ford, and that's what the republicans are banking on. as a matter of fact, though, it also works to the democrats in the positive way because i think that dr. ford's testimony was so compelling that it really cemented the support there within the democrats. >> and, daniel, the problem with

time for the republicans is if you have an investigation by the fbi four, five, six days and i want raises new questions from the fbi, you have to start all over again and they are looking at the calendar, they are looking at the election, and they know that they can't nominate a lame duck supreme court justice. >> there's no question, i think, from everyone's perspective it would be almost point to get someone else through before the election. i am not as naive to think that an fbi investigation would clear brett kavanaugh and i say that because there's not a single criminal investigation in america state or federal that, where the first step would not be to interview an eyewitness to the alleged conduct. >> with all -- and joyce i'll

ask you that as well -- with all your experience and joyce with all of your experience, is it not painfully clear that avoiding the fbi investigation is about one thing -- >> absolutely. >> -- staying the hell way from mark judge. keeping him away from investigators at any cost. new don't have to be a prosecutor to recognize that. so that begs the question. why? it's so obvious. and the only thing i can come up with is that there is something to hide there. mark judge was in that room. now it may to be try to prereceive mark judge, but i don't think they care about mark judge. >> no. >> so there's something else that is there that they are worried about -- >> and perhaps, joyce, it's not even in that room. >> in that room or outside of the room. >> it's what happened over two or three years with possible black out, something that would go against his sworn testimony. >> and that's the risk that mark

judge will come back and contradict something that brett kavanaugh said, he didn't leave himself a lot of wiggle room on these issues. whatever the reason is it's a credibility factor. >> joining us now from capitol hill, capitol hill correspondent, the host of kasie d. d. d.c., kasie hunt. the vote is still on two hours from now inside the judiciary committee. what will it took like? >> reporter: i was here late last night. when i left republican leaders felt optimistic in their words they were going move ahead with this confirmation of judge kavanaugh. now a couple of things to watch. i also did talk to jeff flake as he was leaving the capital and he was visibly torn about what to do. and he's really going in the spotlight this morning because he's the only one of these swing votes that actually sits on the committee. there's some questions how much

this committee vote matters. it's not clear if something went sideways or against kavanaugh there's a variety of procedural ways that could be the case. they probably would ignore that or at least could and push ahead to the full senate vote anyway. but listen very, very closely to how jeff flake frames his decision about how to vote on kavanaugh in this committee, because that is one thing that could potentially royal how this unfolds going forward. if he send a strong signal against that will tell susan collins, lisa murkowski that they might have some back up in seeking this nomination if that is, in fact, what they want to do. another person to watch for, senator joe manchin, a democrat from west virginia up for re-election. he's been sending mixed signals privately about how he wants to vote. there's been a lot of reporting about where he stands. his office is telling me he's not made up his mind and also haven't been able to say --

there's some speculation that he joe donnelly and two women republicans might vote as a block. i would say at this point that's still unconfirmed. the other thing i want you to watch too is that letter from the american bar association. i haven't had a chance to get reaction on that. but that could make an impact. >> what are they weighing at this point the undecided? they heard the testimony from both sides. they prefer to have some sort of fbi investigation to give them for facts. that's not going to happen at this point. the vote is in two hours and mitch mcconnell would like to have the full sophisticated vote by tuesday, i think. what's in front of lisa murkowski. what's in front of susan collins and joe manchin and jeff flake? what are they deciding. >> reporter: it's important to think about this in terms of human terms. they are politicians. they have political calculations. but also human beings. and the vice that particularly collins and lisa murkowski are

in is a difficult one. if you think of the cultural context, the me too movement that they are, we have all been confronted. >> can i -- >> reporter: sure. >> what vice exactly is susan collins in. she's been pro choice her entire life. she's told her voters her entire life she's pro choice. she's run as a moderate consensus building republican who -- >> seems like a moment made for her. >> this does. lisa murkowski, an independent in alaska, this really doesn't seem like it should be that close of a call if you just study their decades in public service. >> reporter: it's a good point, joe. consider susan collins faces a perimeter challenge in 2020. she decided not run for governor. if she turns on trump now it's all but guaranteed she could face that in maine and that really could potentially sink

her. i also think there's some republicans in leadership who are making the arguments to me you're right about her supporting abortion rights and there's a sense kavanaugh is the best you'll get from a republican president in an appoin appoi appointee, i'm not sure i buy that. lisa murkowski is further down the line talking from my sources, that there's a definite sense on the hill that lisa murkowski is closer to voting no on kavanaugh than possibly anybody else. i mean she is authentically independent. she's proven in her election she doesn't need the republican party to win. remember she ran as a write in. the other piece of this, joe, and you know how this can be on the hill, if they buck mitch mcconnell on this they will be thrown out of the group. this is his entire political legacy on the line. this is the generation, a generation, changing the supreme court for a generation.

he has put everything on this. you know how he runs the senate. he runs it -- he doesn't have any problem making an enemy if he wants to, and they are potentially risking being ostracized from that group. >> there's worst things than being ostracized by the least popular politician in america. if you want to be ostracized by somebody that might be a good place to start if you vote your conscience. i'm not saying people of good conscience can vote in different ways. but if you run and sell yourself to voters the way they have for all of these years, it seems like a fairly straightforward vote. >> kasie hunt, thank you so much. in his opening statement brett kavanaugh accused his democratic opponents of essentially launching a conspiracy against

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has been a calculated and orchestrated political hit. fueled with apparent pent up anger about president trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my judicial record, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and millions of dollars in money from outside left wing opposition groups. this is a circus. >> i'll point out to you that justice now neil gorsuch was nominated by this president. he was considered by this body,

just last year. i did a rough kind of analysis of similarities. you both attended georgetown prep. you both attended prestigious law schools. you both clerked for justice kennedy. you were both circuit judges. you both were nominated to the supreme court. you were both questioned about your record. the only difference is that you have been accused of sexual assault. how do you reconcile your statement about a conspiracy against you with the treatment of someone who was before this body not very long ago. >> i explained that in my opening statement, senator. look at the evidence here, the calendars. look at the witness statements. like as miss kaiser's statement. >> joining us now is general counsel, your nonprofit has

raised funds in favor of kavanaugh's nomination process. thank you for being on this morning. >> thanks for being here. if you were watching most of the networks, but even fox news, it was a tale of two hearings after dr. ford, you had a lot of people, chris wallace talking about what a persuasive witness dr. ford was. then after judge kavanaugh, they said the same thing. at the end of the day, are you still supportive and is your group still just as supportive of judge kavanaugh as you were at the beginning of the day? >> oh, absolutely. what we saw, obviously, was very compelling and heart felt testimony from both of them. the experience dr. ford described is awful but anyone who is outraged should be outraged particularly of the behavior of the senate democrat that came through several times. obviously senator feinstein

denieding the one who orchestrated the leak of the documents that put dr. ford and judge kavanaugh and all of us through a difficult process. we know that was in the hands of just a handful of house and senate democrats so that seems to be the source of that leak. that's disgraceful and very discouraging to see. at the end of the day we still don't have any corroboratation of her events. they witnesses she put there don't remember this party. her life long friend says i don't think i even know brett kavanaugh, i don't think i was at a party with him. we ended the day kind of with more questions than we began in terms of that because there's a few different details that shifted which isn't surprising after 36 years of memory. i think at the end of the day the senators have one clear choice and it's are your going engaging supporting a vicious campaign on the part of some democrats, or are you going to vote to confirm one of the most highly qualified and respected judges in the nation.

>> you said you found dr. ford to be a compelling witness. after hearing her testify yesterday do you believe she suffered sexual assault? >> i think she may well have. i think the evidence points the fact that it was not brett kavanaugh who was involved. >> and do you believe when she says it was 100% when she was pressed that it was brett kavanaugh, there was no mistake in hermine why don't you believe her on that part of it. >> i think she's confident in her own mind. we know that with time and with, frankly, some of the same impact of trauma that she herself described it can be hard to be accurate. we all know, you know, the eyewitness testimony at trials, even from people who were outside and watching from a car crash can be difficult to trace down. there's a lot of literature on that. i think we have to look at the outside corroborating evidence. there isn't much contemple

possib -- evidence and the people being there don't support that story. when you have an uncorroborated allegation like this and that's the only weight you have it's inappropriate to take that and destroy a man's reputation that he's built up over so many years of public service when on his side you have dozens of people who say this isn't anything like the brett kavanaugh we knew through high school. >> you're in the camp it might have been brett kavanaugh but you need to see more evidence? >> no, i don't think the evidence -- all of the evidence points the fact that it wasn't. >> should thereabout a further investigation, those by the fbi? >> i think it would have been helpful, i suppose to interview these witnesses beforehand by the fbi when senator dianne feinstein received this. that would have been the correct result. like senator biden did. the reason we he is quest ear jury is you don't have them impacted by the media frenzy

surrounding a trial. you have witnesses outside of the room while they testify in a trial so you don't have them affecting and tainting each other's testimony. that's all been blown up now because the democrats whether it's senator feinstein's office, or anna eshoo's office, they decided to go straight to the media instead of taking the proper steps. no way to put the genie back in the bottle. >> you talked a little bit about areas where you would have liked to have had some additional information available, but said that you have a process concern. so why do we have to have this one day or two day deadline when we look at somebody with life at the -- lifetime tenure. >> this is not a one or two day deadline. we've had this for two weeks. the senate judiciary committee have been doing the same type of interviews that the fbi would do. senate democrats have had the

opportunity to participate. in some cases they've been on the same calls and refused to ask questions out of spite, i suppose, because they keep saying only the fbi can ask questions. no, senators this is your job. the confidentiality that the fbi provides is not need. same penalties applies if this investigation was committed under penalty of perjury. >> why haven't they talked to mark judge. >> they have. they spoke to him twice. they received two different statements. >> why haven't they gone out and cross-examined him if they can do the same thing that the fbi can do. >> the senate democrats were welcomed to do this. they have boycotted the investigation process even while claiming in the media they want an investigation. that is very disingenuous. >> i understand -- i'm not sure how the subpoenas work. i know they interviewed judge kavanaugh several times.

if the democrats had wanted to, i believe they could have asked to interview judge as well. but they have simply said we don't want to participate in this process only the fbi can do it. that's not true. if you look what senator biden said back injustice thomas' hearings, the fbi don't make credibility judgments. they don't decide the weight of the evidence. they simply effectively take testimony. that's what the senate judiciary committee has been doing all week. >> thank you very much for being on the show this morning. so, daniel, we got to get daniel goldman in here. you've been shaking your head a few times. why can't we just stop right now and start an fbi investigation if the republicans call for it? >> there's no reason. >> okay. >> i think there are a couple of problems. the senate committee staffers are not trained professional investigators. two, the letter from mark judge is pretty meaningless because

what you would really need to do to properly interview him is get into a lot of the details of what was going on. look at that july 1st entry in the calendar of brett kavanaugh. you can easily figure out what house that was at. then could you figure out whether the description matches what professor ford talks about. there are many ways to find corroboratation or not corroboratation if you want. so we're left with a situation where because of the delays as joe pointed out with democrats and how they may have handled this, kerry and others seem to be saying it doesn't matter any more. >> what's out of the bottle that didn't be put back in. >> that's the question. i think it's really important to understand that the senate committee investigation is not the same as an fbi investigation. that's not what they are meant to do. we know that in part because the

senate judiciary committee re-opens background investigations all the time. >> and let's just stop pretending that this isn't about keeping mark judge way from fbi agents. everybody watching knows it. the conservatives are saying just jam this through, it's gone on long enough. they know it. you can start them working today. they could to be done by monday. there's a small group of people that they can go to, and the republicans and the white house and chuck grassley don't want that to happen. john meacham, so we have a new horror movie that's going to be coming out this summer "revenge of the clintons." when judge kavanaugh spoke of the revenge of the clintons, my mind immediately went back to hillary clinton on the "today" show talk about the vast right-wing conspiracy.

history rhymes. >> it sure does. that was among the most revealing thing said yesterday. it clearly cast a bright light on the narrative that is the movie, if you will, that's playing in the heads of the nominee and his supporters. this is the idea is that they are trying to take on, take out someone who was critical in the starr investigation. to me the most interesting parallel, we've been all talking for understandable reasons for the 27 year cycle from judge thomas and the 41 administration. this is much more about 1998 than it is 1991, i think, in terms of raw political power. and the fact that in his defiant statement yesterday judge kavanaugh went straight for pulling out the battles of the

1990s is really interesting. remember one of the things that was so compelling to a lot of people about barack obama was that he wanted, as he put it,ers not going relitigate the '60s back in 2008. part of his appeal against senator clinton at the time was haven't we had enough of this? haven't we had enough of the culture wars, the wars of impeachment. let's try to change the story. to me what's so fascinating is we're right back there. you know, as faulkner said, the past is never dead, it isn't even passed. and kavanaugh was shaped in that caldron. i think the other thing just quickly, you know we're not talking about -- people aren't talking about changing 30 senators minds either way but you showed the graphic a minute ago of those eight. if i was one of those senators

today and this is not a partisan point, i would just be wondering would i knowing that if this conversation were unfolding in february of this year, in february of '18 as opposed to september of '18, you know that those senators would wait for more process, more of a chance to make sure this is, in fact, this did not happen or however the kavanaugh people are framing it. you know they would buy time to know more. and because it's september and because of the mid-terms basically those senators who have a chance to really make a mark here have decided that somehow or other they will throw reason out because mitch mcconnell might be mean to them? i understand the politics, i understand the human drama, you

know. i'm not there. but i'll tell you this. historically, you know, as john kennedy once said there's a reason why "profiles in courage" was just one volume. they have a chance to write a new chapter here and they should. >> talk about the portrait test. this is a portrait test. let's put the faces up again. the vote, especially for susan collins, for lisa murkowski, for jeff flake, especially for those three, it is a career defining vote for them and a vote that if they vote yes could blow up in their faces in -- oh, my god in january if democrats get subpoena power and start investigating judge kavanaugh's background and a lot of people are going to be turning to them and say why didn't you just wait one week?

i mean that's a hell of a portrait, isn't it, john? >> it is, and, you know, intellectual dishonesty and inconsistencies are part of politic, i understand that. but the reason we have the united states senate is as washington said to school the coffee in the saucer. there are eight people you just showed, i think, who have the capacity to say we're just going cool the coffee. because this isn't the secretary of commerce with all respect to the office of herbert hoover. you know, it's 40 years plus of someone who is going be a key voice in deciding how americans live. what american rights and responsibilities are. and i don't know what happened in 1982. but i do think you have to now step back and say if, in fact, there's more information to be had that might be corroborating

of dr. ford's testimony, possibly, then you have someone who perjured themselves repeatedly in the pursuit of power. so if there were any means necessary to clear that up, if there are any means available and there are, including final point, the aba which was quoted yesterday, kavanaugh quoted their approving words about him, they just called for, to hit the brakes a little bit. so why won't -- why can't those senators say let's just wait. >> i think that's actually where this story is at this point. that's the clip that's on. john meacham thank you very much. daniel goldman, thank you as well. still ahead, we were supposed to learn the fate of deputy attorney general rod rosenstein yesterday. but his meeting with the president was put on the back burner thanks to yesterday's hearing. we'll figure out where everything stands there.

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president trump's private meeting with deputy attorney general rod rosenstein has been pushed to next week. the "new york times" reported a week ago that rod rosenstein suggested secretly recording trump and potentially removing the president from office, which rod rosenstein denies. they initially planned to ameliorate yesterday, but the white house said trump didn't want it to distract from the senate hearing. a new wrinkle in the trump-rush saga a donor from texas who gave to the 2016 campaign efforts has newly uncovered links to the kremlin. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel has been investigating. richard, what did you find out? >> reporter: good morning. for quite some time we've been digging into the background of a successful oil man who lives here in houston, texas. he donated during the 2016

campaign $273,000 to the trump victory committee. he's an american citizen born in russia and our reporting in conjunction with our colleagues at the guardian newspaper shows that he has deep ties to moscow. ties that put him on the radar of u.s. federal investigators and what's more disturbing, we uncovered an e-mail exchange during the election between this big trump donor and a high ranking russian official who he calls dear slava. dear slava i was at dinner with donald trump. i think his chances are very good. in photo is america's most respected mayor rudy giuliani. >> that e-mail really made my blood run cold because there's so little said and yet so much conveyed. >> what is conveyed? >> to me what's conveyed is i

was with donald trump. we have a plan in action. and it's going to work. this guy is going to win. our guy is going win. >> why send the photo? >> the photo is basically what we might call bona fide. i can produce what i can produce. >> a few weeks later they attended another fundraiser. she posed for this photo which he emailed to dear slava. >> maybe he's just bragging to an old fwreriends about his contacts. >> i don't buy that. this is related to donald trump. to me this reads like an e-mail exchange between a source and a handler or a source and headquarters. >> do you think that these donation were part of a russian campaign to influence the election and help president

trump? >> absolutely. after reading this e-mail exchange, i have nary a doubt. >> we obtained those emails from a london based authenticate th. we asked putin about them. he regrets making those contributions which apparently attracted the attention of federal investigators. we reached out to the trump campaign and they tell us kukas never had a role in the campaign. back to you. >> you can watch richard this sunday at 10:00 p.m. coming up we'll talk to senator sheldon whitehouse. mo "morning joe" is coming right back. "morning joe" is coming right back

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last night the republican staff leased a time line to media that shows two claims of people. dr. ford, with what degree of certainty do you believe brett kavanaugh assaulted you? >> 100%. >> the day after the allegation appeared, i told this committee that i wanted a hearing as soon as possible to clear my name. i demanded a hearing for the

very next day. unfortunately it took the committee ten days to get this this hearing. in those ten long days as was predictable and as i predicted, my family and my name have been totally and permanently destroyed by vicious and false additional accusations. the ten-day delay has been harmful to me and my family, to the supreme court, and to the

let me ask you a question. you were tearing up. what's the last political event you can remember you were tearing up throughout the day? i've never seen it happen. >> no. if you watched the opening statement and you didn't have empathy for those people and you immediately went on twitter and started trashing them because of your political affiliation, you shouldn't be a reporter. you're too biased. i didn't support kavanaugh. i expressed why well before this. >> i know. >> you can still have empathy again for what's going on. >> absolutely. >> especially if he believe as what he says and his life has

been absolutely destroyed and his family's reputation has been destroyed. >> it's tear snoobl and his children have had to endure this. what public figure can't feel for that person. i know, willie, you were -- we were talking about this and we talked about how compelling dr. ford was. again, we teared up at her testimony. and brett kavanaugh. talk about that. but also there was at least for me and i think for you a defining moment where sort of the guard dropped for brett kavanaugh and suddenly he got on the defensive and it just didn't make sense. >> well, he was defensive and powerful in his opening statement, and i think when senator durbin confronted him with the question of why not have an fbi investigation, things started to unravel for him. if you look at his tone and

posture after that, that's when he made the snide comment to congresswoman klobuchar. >> it wasn't a perry mason moment, but if these hearings had a perry mason moment, that was it. and it's not going to change a single vote. people who were going to vote for kavanaugh before are going to vote for him after. but we all said the only thing we can do as humans is look at them and assess who's telling the truth. i still don't know who's telling the truth and who's not. nobody does. i mean but that was a moment where you just said it makes no sense that he and every republican are afraid to have the fbi -- it's about a week. we all know. the world knows. they don't want the f bii to talk to mark judge.

the whole world knows that. and republicans treat americans stupid when they pretend it's anything else other than that. >> and we've said that for a weak and a half now since we first heard about this. if you were brett kavanaugh, wouldn't you want a third party to look at this just so you could point a at it and say don't take my word for it, take the fbi's word for it. if asked 19 times do you want the fbi, i'd say, sure, bring in the fbi, did not do that. >> you dwould that the first day, gene. >> yeah. >> you'd say bring in the fbi. i want them right now. bring in the nsa. bring in everybody and investigate it now. the excuses, they've already done six on this? listen, but mark judge has already done that. >> no. they don't want mark judge because this is a guy, recovering alcoholic, a lot of

other issues. he's not going to lie. he's not going to lie. >> exactly. they don't want that. and the failure to have an fbi investigation in which both sides could have faith in it. it would be conducted on an equal basis. it wouldn't by, it's not my polygraph. it's the findings of the fbi. without that, half the country is going to think it's illegitimate. >> by the way, gene, can somebody tell lindsey graham he can scream as loud as he wants, but it doesn't change the fact and it will not distract americans from the fact that they're just trying to rush this through as quickly as possible because they don't want anything else to come up and they don't want the fbi to have three days to talk to mark judge. they could start it today and be

done by sunday night. >> very quick versus a lifetime appointment to the supreme court. it's kind of an imbalance. >> with a cloud, mika, over his head. >> so in his opening statement judge kavanaugh actually said he welcomed an fbi investigation, but then wouldn't go there again during the questioning. >> when this allegation first arose, i welcomed any kind of investigation, senate, fbi, or otherwise. i know that any kind of investigation, senate, fbi, montgomery county police, whatever will clear me. >> if you judge kaf na turn to us again and say to this committee for the sake of my name, my reputation, and my family and to get down to the truth of this, i'm not going to stand in the way of an fbi investigation. >> i welcome an investigation. >> i want know what you want to

do. >> i'm telling the truth. >> i want to know what you want to do. >> i'm telling the truth. >> do you want -- >> i'm telling the truth. >> if there's no truth to her charges, the fbi investigation will show that. are you afraid that they might night. >> oh, come on, gee whiz. >> the fbi -- you know that's a phony question because the fbi doesn't reach conclusions. >> judge kavanaugh, will you support an fbi investigation right now? >> i'll do whatever the committee wants -- >> personally, do you think that's the best thing for us to do? you won't answer? >> you know, look, senator, i've -- i -- i've said i wanted a hearing and i said i was welcome anything, i'm innocent. >> not a perry mason moment, but certainly the moment that judge

kavanaugh's wavered. he had no good answer for a three-day, four-day fbi investigation. yes, the whole world knows. joe biden told us in 1991 the fbi doesn't reach conclusions. but guess what they can do. they can go to mark judge and say where were you, who did you talk to. >> there is a difference. >> there is an investigation instead of getting a piece of paper they can draft for him. >> i mean i have a slightly different takeaway from all of this, and a friend of mine, lifelong democrat, she was concerned about how kavanaugh was treated tuesday, she said, maybe it will make him a better judge because he knows what it's like to be accused of something and give him better insight, but after watching the hearing and judge kavanaugh, i think his temperament is not suited. i think he's going to be

resentful. we can talk about an fbi investigation, but i think even if it clears him, i think he dug himself into a hole yesterday that he can't come out of and be a responsible jurist on the supreme court would being angry and resentful. >> do you know who else people have said that happened to? clarence thomas. he was transformed. the hearing so transformed him whether you think he was innocent or guilty, he got onto the court, he was angry, and it made him, many people believe, far more of a hard-liner during his entire term than he would have been because he felt so abused by the process. again, people can pass their judgment, but, god, there is a parallel. >> there is. >> it is clarence thomas, and you now have a guy who's declared open war against the democrats. i'm not judging him for it, i'm just not, given everything he went through. that's not good for the court.

>> i agree, but he also lent in that partisan conversation about bringing up clinton and trump, and that's really what unsettled me, joe. that's part of when i started to feel this person's angry and i don't know if he can come out of it. >> the clinton line, didn't you think, susan, that was the grand conspiracy line that really made -- i mean i say -- i said no problem with you being upset and angry at what's being done you do and the way the democrats held this to the very end, leaked it, dianne feinstein, apparently they were saying, shopped a lawyer for dr. ford. i understand him thinking the process was rigged against him, but, boy, that clinton line -- >> that was my turning moment with him. i was never a big fan of judge kavanaugh, but i thought he should be heard, i think we had to allow for the possibility he

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we liked beer. >> what do you consider to be too many beers? >> i don't know. you know, we -- whatever the chart says. the blood alcohol chart. >> that was the last we heard from rachel mitchell. during christine blasey ford's testimony, the committee sat in silence behind mitchell. they did not even speak to say they were yielding their time to her. then senator lindsey graham reclaimed his time during kavanaugh's portion of the testimony using it to slam his colleagues. >> if you wanted an fbi investigation, you could have come to us. what you want to do is destroy this guy's life, hold this seat open, and hope you win in 2020. you've said that. not me. you've got nothing to apologize for. when you see sotomayor and

kagan, tell them hello. i volted for them. i would never do to them what you did to this guy. this is the most unethical sham since i've been in politics. >> and that was just part of it. joining us now from capitol hill, nbc correspondent garrett haake. what was he doing yesterday? >> if he ends up on the supreme court, he needs to send lindsey graham a fruit basket or something. yesterday was so peace riveral. any chance he has gotten, he has made versions of this argument to reporters on capitol hill saying if a man can be brought down by accusations without proof, every person is

vulnerable. you could watch him getting angrier and angrier and more and more frustrated until he explode on television, but he was saying a lot of the same things out in the hallways in talking to reporters. here's some of that conversation. >> when she was saying, she wulkt sure if they were going to do go out there, that's boston. of bull. we were willing to go to california. we were told she couldn't fly. all i know is we're 40 days from election and therego, not her gorks allow trump to fill the seat. don't know who paid for a polygraph, but somebody did. the friends on the other side set it up to be just the way it is. i feel ambushed. >> and for folks who felt like the testimony they were seeing in the room was disturbing and ugly and just not the kind of politics we like to see, the scenes in the hallways were similar.

graham was also confronted by someone in the hallway who told him she had been raped. here was his response. >> senator graham, i was raped 13 years ago. i'm so sorry, do you believe me? >> it was just as contentious of a scene in the hallways in every building in the capitol, folks watching this, protesters on the hill, lawmakers. >> where do they stand this morning? we know that murkowskind collins and others were huddled last night including jeff flake to decide what to do after watching that testimony yesterday. >> this is entirely too familiar. two female republican senators who have been at the middle of every contentious decision up here are once again doing, so once again with the now senior senator from arizona, in this case jeff flake. you mentioned collins, murkow i murkowski, flake, and joe

manchin all met in susan collins' hideaway, a small office in the capitol. they were discussing their way forward on this. none of those folks would discuss really anything that had gone on in that meeting. collins and murkowski told some of my colleagues last night they were going home to think about this. we caught up with jeff flake. you can see from the clip how anguished he was in making this decision. watch this. >> close call. >> you leash with doubts, whichever way. that's the nature of this. we're -- there's no way you can leave that hearing room certain that you're completely right, he's rye, she's wrong, she's right, he's wrong. i mean you just -- you're never certain. you do the best you can. that's really what you try do. >> really we won't wait too long

to see what kind of decision flake made. he's one of the only swing votes. we'll know how he's voting potentially at 9:30, 10:00 this morning. coming up, senator sheldon whitehouse had a tense exchange with brett kavanaugh yesterday. the rhode island democrat joins us next on "morning joe." ext on. - [narrator] the typical vacuum head has its limitations, so shark invented duo clean. while deep cleaning carpets, the added soft brush roll picks up large particles, gives floors a polished look, and fearlessly devours piles. duo clean technology, corded and cord-free.

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we have to look at the beach meet ralph club. what does that mean? >> that's known as throwing up. i have a weak stomach. anyone who knows me like these people behind me know -- i've got a weak stomach whether it's with beer, spicy food, or anything. >> so the vomiting you reference in the ralph club reference related to the consumption of alcohol. >> sir, i was at the top of my class academically, busted my butt in school.

>> and did the word "ralph" you used in -- >> i already answered the question. if you're -- >> did it relate to alcohol? >> i like beer. i don't know if you do. do you like beer, senator? what do you like to drink? senator, what you do like to drink? >> senators repeatedly questioned brett kavanaugh about his drinking in high school. joining us now from capitol hill, a member of the judiciary committee, democratic committee member sheldon whitehouse in rhode island who you saw in that clip. thanks for being with us this morning. do you have any expectation that brett kavanaugh's nomination will not move out when they vote in an hour? >> i don't at this point. u think th i think they rallied from dr. ford's quietly devastating

testimony yesterday with that display of what somebody called tribal belligerence, waving the bloody partisan shirt and waving everybody to the flag, and i think for their purposes it worked, and we'll see whether the american people thought that was a fair way to treat dr. ford on the issue of whether or not she was sexually assaulted by this man they want to put on the supreme court. >> that means, senator, jeff flake would have to vote yes to get it out of the judiciary committee. have you spoken with him about his vote? >> i have not. >> you said we should go back to square one and have an fbi investigation of all this. do you still feel that way after the testimony yesterday of dr. ford and judge kavanaugh? >> without a doubt. the most basic thing that an alleged victim of sexual assault is entitled to is a sincere and entire investigation of her claims.

they shut down the fbi investigation that would have allowed that to happen. they contented themselves with a thing like a lawyer's letter that was alleged to have been assumed in the room. imagine if there was a third person in the room with president clinton and monica lewinsky. do you think that kavanaugh would ever entertain himself with a lawyer's letter from that person? of course, not. you'd cross-examine fully, get fbi agents out there, issue subpoenas, do everything to get at the truth. they've done everything they can to avoid getting to the truth. >> why do you suspect the republicans do not want to have this. >> i think it raises the prospect that things go very badly for judge kavanaugh once mark judge is under oath and once people start looking for

other corroborating evidence, start interviewing the other folks who are at the gathering at which this assault is alleged to have occurred, start looking for other corroborating evidence, do all the things the fbi does. i think it turns out badly for kavanaugh. >> sir, it comes down to the end the outcome of the judge, doesn't it, that obviously republicans, those around kavanaugh, the white house, don't want the fbi to question mark judge about the habits of his best friend and him during high school. >> yeah. obviously. but since he's also the named witness to the alleged sexual assault, he becomes a pretty important person to get the truth from. it's not like we're just rushing around trying to find people who knew brett kavanaugh in high school and have the fbi investigate them. this is the guy who she puts in the room when brett kavanaugh is

assaulting her, and the idea that he's never been properly deposed, never been properly interrogated, never had a statement under oath, never been touched, contacted by the fbi, never been subpoenaed by the committee, there's no other circumstance where kavanaugh himself would have accepted that as legitimate behavior. >> did the democrats have a chance to talk to judge to investigate, to cross-examine judge because republicans are saying that a lot of democrats stayed out of the process, protested, didn't get involved. did you have a chance a week or so ago to go and interview judge? >> no. >> under no circumstances. >> was never offered to me. i never had any such thing. in fact, i was told a -- that

judge refused. the easiest way to do it is issue a subpoena. it's really clear. >> did the democrats ask for a subpoena? >> we asked for him to be called as a witness, so in effect yes. he made it clear he wouldn't come willingly. a subpoena was on the vehicle. >> senator, what do you say to americans who are concerned that a supreme court nomination could be determined by 36-year-old entries in the yearbooks, drinking habits of high school kids, and, i guess, even the meaning of words that you can find in urban dictionaries? >> i don't think that those yearbook entries are disqualifying themselves. the only thing that's

disqualifying is if he sexually assaulted dr. ford and is now not being truthful about it, and since he has not been properly investigated and since judge, the witness in the room, has not even been close to properly investigated, we really don't know. so we have to rely on clues like the contemporaneous statements that he made in his yearbook. and it's only to the extent that those reflect on his testimony that he wasn't a big drinker, that he treated women with respect. and then you look at those things in the yearbook and then it looks like he was a helluva big drinker and he very casually disrespected women that that conflict becomes relevant. but take away the allegation of sexual assault and i think americans can be quite happy that no supreme court nominee will be blown up over some inadvertent high school yearbook word. >> senator, this is joyce vance.

this is not a criminal trial. there's no evidence to prove guilt beyond reasonable doubt. what's the standard snoenators use? >> it's up to each to put it up to advice and consent. you'd like to think that if somebody was goc to be put on the united states supreme court, you would have run down all the leads and made sure they were not a molester basically in their youth and that they had not lied about that. we find that out with a proper investigation. but the extent to which people hang their vote on particular standard is entirely up to them. and at this opponent after yesterday's display, i think it's gone almost totally tribal. >> senator, susan here.

should he come through and become supreme court justice, would you support impeachment hearings on him? >> i think miss ford and others who come forward are entitled and are entitled -- >> i agree with you. >> that would be the first step to undertake. i don't think we need to talk about impeachment until we find out what happened. so i do think even if he goes onto the court, first of all, i think we're kind of honor-bound to try to get to the actual facts here, and, second, over time, the real facts have a funny way of coming out. so i think the hourglass is running on brett kavanaugh in terms of the truth eventually coming out. >> senator, as you know, dr. ford's letter was sent to dianne feinstein on july 30th.

senator feinstein's office referred to the fbi on september 12th. was it a mistake for senator feinstein to sit on the letter that long? >> perhaps, but you have to understand that you're dealing with a woman -- sexual assault victim, who testified yesterday that she had ardently asked dianne to keep it private. and when you look at -- [ indiscernible ] >> as best i can tell, dr. ford had told sufficient people in her circle who might have told others that press in california began to ask her questions and follow her around and that the story then came through the "washington post" where she had originally -- dr. ford had originally as she testified yesterday left a tip on the hotline and the rormter followed

up with her ultimately. as best as i can tell, that's how it all became public, through those two avenues. >> do you see why lindsey graham and others view this as some sort of game, that you wait until the 11th hour to bring this out publicly? >> i think if you want to go down the road of conspiracy theories and if you want to overlook the importance of a woman deciding whether or not to come forward and identify herself into this toxic environment, you could -- you could go there, but i think it really dep pri krecates women b assaulted and the form of abuse in this particular circumstance. >> senator sheldon whitehouse, we'll let you go vote with the rest of the judiciary committee in about an hour. good to be with you.

>> thank you. letz me ask you about the letter to dr. feinstein and referring to the fbi on september 12th in the midst of this confirmation process. anything fishy to you as a prosecutor? >> you know, there really isn't. first off, i would always honor victim confidentiality, and if, in fact, a victim in this sort of situation didn't want the information disclosed, you would hold onto it and not use it in the process. that didn't happen here. the information got out and was used. senator feinstein was questioned about it. she questioned her staff. it wasn't a leak from her staff. now there's a story that hasn't been tested or fully explained about the leak coming through dr. ford's friends. i suspect it will turn on whether it was about her and the identity or whether the letter sits came out. our next guest fought

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that was part of a biographical campaign ad for california republican house candidate elizabeth heng which was banned by twitter as deemed inappropriate. they're targeting seats in republican held districts carried by hillary clinton in the 2016 election with california accounting for at least seven, but in california's 16th congressional district, the go is hoping for an upset in the race against democratic incumbent jim costa who received 6% more of the vote than challenger elizabeth heng on a head-to-head ballot in the state's top two primary election back in june, and elizabeth joins us now. it is great to meet you. >> thanks so much for having me here today. i'm so excited. >> you were saying off camera

that ad that was so controversial that that ad was hard for you to short. tell me about that. >> my family has always been very private in general, so when i decided to get into this race, i knew a big part of how i've become the person i am today and the message i wanted to tell this district was that great things can come from great adversity, and unfortunately facebook didn't like that message. >> so they banned it. >> yeah. >> the ad gives you chills. >> it's amazing. what a story. >> it's quite the opposite actually. what did facebook and what did twitter tell you when they pulled down that ad? >> initially i was able to have advertisement for a couple of days for this ad with facebook and then it was revoked and they told me that it was basically inappropriate content. i tried to go through the normal processes of saying, hey, what's inappropriate about this, this is my family history, and after

getting nowhere with that, i decided to go nationally with it and send out a press release, and i am -- it took over five days and a whole national movement in order for facebook to tell me that we apologize for the confusion. had i been, i believe, a candidate that was on -- you know, a candidate that was, you know -- >> a democrat. you can say it. >> you know, i'm running for the district, not for party lines here. i don't feel it would have taken five days, a whole national movement from mccarthy don junior and everyone tweeting about it for them to say, we apologize for the confusion. >> i don't think you're off there. i think you might be on to something. >> the rest of the ad we saw and we haven't -- don't know the specifics of the day, a day out of your campaigning, you really didn't talk about the national politics.

were talking about the district and the economic uncertainty that's out there. is that -- when you knock on doors -- we always talk about this. people aren't talking about russia, they're not talking about what we're talking about every day, they're not talking about what washington is talking about. it's still pocketbook issues. are they getting ahead, or are they falling further behind? >> my congressional district is one of the poorest congressional districts in the whole entire country. to give you a median income, it ranks 412th out of 435 in the country. i know we can do better. you know, one thing that hit me pretty hard when i was looking around and thinking about running for congress, people aren't dreaming in our district anymore. there's something fundamentally un-american about that statement. and i've had a great opportunity to break through the vicious cycles of poverty and have gone to good schools.

>> let me ask you about that. >> boy, did you ever. >> you're from an immigrant family. you were the only person -- >> stanford. >> -- in your high school who went to stanford. you became student government president at stanford. i ask you this as a former republican. should we as a party not done what we've done in the past and throw our arms open to immigrants who want to come and do what you do, pursue the american dream, and see what a remarkable country this can be? >> and that's -- as i go around talking to constituents, knocking on doors, that's one of the number one topics in our community. it's a very immigrant-dominated community, and i want to work on immigration reform. i'd love nothing more than to be the leading voice in immigration reform. for far too long, i think both republicans and democrats have punted the topic leading us to where we are in that discussion today, and it's really divided our country. >> as long as we've got you here, let me ask you about a

national issue. what did you think about yesterday when you heard the testimony from dr. ford and judge kavanaugh? do you think he should be confirmed? >> with that, that's a great question, right? when we look at issues such as that, i'm glad that both to tel. but it's once again has shown the divide, like, in our country, and i have a lot of struggle with that, and i will hope that the senate judiciary committee looks upon -- as they're looking for the confirmation today that they do it in the best interest of the u.s. >> were you convinced by judge kavanaugh yesterday? >> i think -- i'll be honest with you, i think with both of -- with dr. ford and justice kavanaugh, they gave very good believable remarks, and so i personally struggle with that. >> very compelling, yes. >> elizabeth, it is so great to meet you, remarkable. we're now just moments away from the senate judiciary

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cardy b and janell monet, along with a special guest performance by the great john legend. >> oh, how amazing. >> catch it all exclusively on msnbc. it starts at 3:00 eastern. that's tomorrow. joining us now, one of this year's co-hosts, nbc news correspondent jacob soberoff. this year's festival is presented by citi. which is a sponsor of our coverage on msnbc. good morning to you all. what can we expect tomorrow, beyond people -- they love the music, that's the fun part, but what's the day about for you? >> we're really excited. one of the funds is here from lebanon. she's going to be sharing about her work supporting syrian refugee girls, education. i'm really excited for her to share those powerful stories of the girls she works with.

>> what are we looking at? >> i'm not performing. >> you're not? >> i thought you were doing a prince medley. >> i was thinking about it. >> purple velvet, you're not doing that? >> it's going to be a great show. joy reid's going to be out there. ari melber. it's all about eliminating global poverty by 2030. tens of thousands of people will be out there in central park. it's really an extraordinary thing. >> it's a great event. it's a great concert. what's important for us is it's not just slapping a label on an event, it's about trying to sustain business development goals, and whether it's sustainability, financing, we have $100 billion commitment, our work in gender equity. and our philanthropy where we try to help a half million

people globally connect with job opportunities. when you look at each, we're totally aligned with them and the fund is an amazing client of ours. >> there's a lot of synergy here, not just between each of you and global citizen but literally all across the board. >> absolutely. for us, who we do business with is important, a reflection as much as who we fund from the philanthropic perspective. we're very proud that to be supporting the fund fill lon tle tlop philanthropically as well. >> these things always seem to happen at a moment in time when we need everybody to come together so after yesterday, i just know that something special is going to happen out there. i'm sure you guys feel the same way. >> yes, we're so excited. >> are you going to be dancing in the front row, ed? >> the problem with me being in the front row is people are,

like, can the tall guy get down? i'm the guy in the movie theater nobody wants to sit behind. >> about global citizen, that huge crowd out there, you can't buy a ticket to it. >> it's free. >> it's free, but you've got to earn your way to the show. >> what you do is these actions. there's all kinds of actions. again, they're all targeted towards doing things that eliminate global poverty by 2030. eliminating plastic bottle use. and all of these things are things you can participate in. to be out there with tens of thousands of people, you never really have that opportunity to be out there in central park and to be able to do it for free, get a free ticket and do it all in this app, it's really, really fun. >> again, focusing on the economic empowerment of women and girls in this me too age. it's something you were talking about last night at the 92nd street y. it extends to other things as well including economic empowerment. getting what you deserve.

making sure well here and across the globe. >> in a way that is sort of collaborative, musical, artistic, sending a message to women that their voices will be heard. >> as jake points out, the city doesn't give a lot of permits for concerts in central park. the fact that the city has embraced this event to draw attention during u.n. week shows how new yorkers feel about it as well. >> all right. we're going to be watching ed. >> he'll be good, with jake up on his shoulders. >> he was my boss when he was the press secretary for mayor bloomberg. so i'll be up on his shoulders. >> well, you've eclipsed me in more ways than one. >> it's a fun day, good weather tomorrow. the global citizen festival airs exclusively tomorrow on msnbc. it begins at 3:00 p.m. eastern. you also can listen in on your local i heart radio station and stream directly on the i heart

radio app. thank you, look forward to tomorrow, we'll be watching. >> thank you very much. >> joe, final thought today? >> we've got the senate right now trying to figure out what to do with the man that has questions right now hanging over his nomination that could be answered perhaps with a one-week investigation with the fbi. it's a lifetime appointment. he'll be determining the fate of the direction of the united states and then the interpretation of the constitution possibly through 2050, they should wait a week. >> we're going to be watching this all play out. stephanie ruhle picks up the coverage. >> thanks, mika. good morning, i'm stephanie ruhle with, this morning, a remarkable and historic day in the u.s. senate that has set the stage for an equally remarkable and historic vote. less than 30 minutes from now, senators on the judiciary committee will gather for a meeting on brett kavanaugh's confirmation to the u.s. supreme court. and the questions they will be asking themselves and each other are likely to be the exact same