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jackson, cardi b, janelle monae. nbc will have coverage of the day and through the night. i'll be a part of it saturday 3:00 p.m. eastern. that is as i mentioned the end of the beat. "hardball" is up next. overtime. let's play "hardball." good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington. with all the political and moral consequence it holds, the nominee of brett kavanaugh to the united states supreme court has been just that, a contest. and tonight what looked like a victory for the president early today has gone into overtime. late today president trump ordered a subpoena mental background check be opened on kavanaugh's file hours after the senate judiciary committee
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requested that he do so. kavanaugh's fate lies in the hands of the federal bureau of investigation. what counts now more than anything is what the bureau comes up with on the nominee. did he engage in the conduct of which the several women accusers said he did? was he a heavy drinker who becomes belligerent when intoxicated. jeff flake of arizona threatened to vote "no" on kavanaugh's nomination unless allegations of sexual assault and misconduct against kavanaugh were investigated by the fbi. >> i would be only comfortable moving forward on the floor, i'll move it out of committee, but i will only be comfortable moving on the floor until the fbi has done more investigation than they have already. this country is being ripped apart here, and we've got to make sure that we do due diligence. >> in a statement judge kavanaugh wrote throughout this process i've been interviewed by the fbi, i've done a number of
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background calls directly with the senate, and yesterday, i answered questions under oath about every topic the senators and their counsel asked me. i've done everything they have requested and will continue to cooperate. according to nbc news, the drama this morning unfolded as senator flake and senator kunz of delaware huddled in the room negotiating the terms. another key republican, senator lisa murkowski of alaska was involved in the talks via phone. on his way to the hearing, senator flake was confronted. this was a real moment to remember by two sexual assault survivors. >> i was sexually assaulted and nobody believed me. edit anyone and you're telling all women that they don't matter, that they should just stay quiet because if they tell you what happened to them you're going to ignore them. >> you are allowing someone who is unwilling to take responsibility for his own actions. and put him in the higher court of the country and to have the role of repairing the harm that
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has been done in this country to many people. >> senator flake said that moment affected him. >> i think everything that i've seen and viewed and experienced in the last couple of weeks has had an impact. so it's been everything. >> mike conley has no obligation to honor this commitment. senators murkowski, collins, mansion and heitkamp endorsed the move that the fbi do more investigation and all of them are seen as pooiflt votes when it comes to the judge kavanaugh's nomination. here's what moscow moscsenator . >> i think it was a good step today. >> joined by kornet kasie hunt, michelle goldberg of "the new
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york times." congressman of pennsylvania and former federal prosecutor. i want to start in that order. case as what a day. a lot of things happened. tell me how the sequence worked that led to this overtime in the game, if you will. >> chris, it was really remarkable. in the morning we got this statement from jeff flake that said i'm going to vote for judge kavanaugh and we all thought that was potentially going to put more pressure on these other republican senators who were still on the fence. we thought the hearing was going to go forward. the mood was going to remain contentious. but something changed that elevator encounter you showed with flake was on his way to the committee room. after his statement has broken, reporters told chris coons, a friend of flake's said a statement was put out. and he became emotional. he's not a guy that typically
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swears. it was a tone more sad than angry and that was what proceeded what played out in the hearing roommate. remember, they were in there for hours. i started at 9:30 and we didn't have an outcome until 1:30. this was about a personal relationship between two people who have served together in the senate. it was with the cameras off and it was because they trusted each other that jeff flake could trust what senator coons was saying. and that kind of an interaction, that kind of trust, that has been missing from the senate and from the congress more broadly, and that is what is breaking it. if you think about the outside political forces, the political triablism, the way the bases enforce the codes that they have, i'm interested to see what kind of reception coons and flake receive over the course of the next week. that is forcing people to never
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do things like this. instead, susan collins had to get driven out of the capital tonight in a police car because there were people threatening her in a way that makes her feel very uncomfortable. this is a moment where people have to decide what people do you want running this country. do you want people acting differently? it's something we're all going to have to grapple with as this process unfolds. >> i hope this does turn tide against this evil instability that's going on because it does meet some of the demands of the people who criticize this nomination. the fbi can get a lot done in a week. thank you very much for that reporting. kasie hunt. let's go to michelle goldberg who's written about this with passion. i'll make the case. the fbi's got a lot of people. they can put 50 people down
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there and find this character. they can get them on the record. i don't care what if they spend enough time with him, the same with all the people that may have been at the party, the chevy chase area. all the people who went to high school school. they have the candle power to find out a good percentage of the truth about this guy. you wrote beautiful today, your thoughts? >> i just that's right. i think that's why this came as a profound relief to me because what christine blasey ford, what the democrats have been asking for has not been that radical. they've been asking for an fbi investigation, they've been asking for at least a process as decent as anita hill got, which is now remembered as a national shame. and so i think that, yes, there are a lot of leads.
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it's been crazy the way yesterday was presented as he said, she said, when by all acknowledgments there's another witness christine blasey ford identified as being in the room, wanted to be subpoenaed, wanted the fbi to interview, and people are acting as if there is no way to get at the truth of what happened 36 years ago when as you said, there are a lot of different leads that you can follow, and that what's she's been asking for all along. >> seems like it's not hard to crack the case made by the nominee. first of all, if there was a party. and they knew he was there and he denies it, that's a problem. if h-- seems that he can be caught in a perjury trap if the fbi really does the job. >> one of the questions going forward is if they don't actually find anything defensive of the sexual assault. whether it will matter the
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smaller lies that he told while he was testifying to congress that are almost definitely -- he was almost certainly dishonest about his drinking record, talking about how he had never blacked out when many classmates say otherwise. he seemed to have been dishonest about the meaning of certain kind of sexual innuendoes in his year books. there was plenty of times where he could have been a little bit frank and maybe admitted that he was a jerky high school student, instead he put forward this image as a choir boy. i forget a feeling that's going to shown quickly to be untrue. the question is whether any of that will be definitive when the senate finally votes on this. >> a hard line to defend. two women have accused brett kavanaugh and his friend mark judge of sexual misconduct. yesterday under oath dr. ford accused kavanaugh of assaulting her while judge looked on, an allegation he's denied. as a central figure, mr. judge
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was never called to testify. not yes. i think he's going to have his day. dr. ford was asked if she would like to see that happen. >> would you like mark judge to be interviewed in connection with the background investigation and the serious credible allegations that you've made? >> that would be my preference. i'm not sure it's really up to me. but i certainly would feel like i could be more helpful to everyone if i knew the date that he worked at the safeway so i could give a more specific date of the assault. >> with the investigation reopened as of today, judge said held cooperate with any law enforcement agency. seems to me he's a figure in this case, a possible witness a purpose pepper, if you will, and he says i want to be confidential? >> that's not going to happen.
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>> once they're completed? >> so the fbi will be looking at witnesses, corroborating this information and assessing the credibility of kavanaugh. with witnesses you have someone you never have in a sexual assault case, you have an eyewitness. they have to talk to mark judge. yes, his lawyers submitted a letter, but when you're sitting in a room with two or three law enforcement agents skilled in the art of interrogation, that's a different story. corroborating evidence, dr. ford has a very specific memory of the house, its layout, the rooms. she says she doesn't know the address. fbi agents will drive her around the neighborhood to see if she can locate it. as michelle alluded to, whether he is credible, whether judge kavanaugh has told the truth under oath to the senate, among other things he said he's never been to any party like the one that dr. ford described. i don't think anybody believes that. again, when the senate is confronted with fbi statements about little lies that judge
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kavanaugh told time after time they will have a decision o make. >> what about the woman who was at the party downstairs who would remember the occasion? >> again, there's literally a lot of people who they could talk to, including people who have come up in the other allegations because they have consistent statements. so, for example, so, for example, michael avenatti's client says this is a man who was frequently drunk and watched a woman being sexually assaulted, mark judge's girlfriend during college has the same story. she doesn't place judge kavanaugh there, but she said mark judge told her about an experience he had when he was in college or high school in which a woman was sexually assaulted with a bunch of guys watching. >> the fbi has enough people to do this quickly, right? >> yes. they have lie detector tests and the d.c. circuit in 2016 decided
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a case where someone was complaining about law enforcement using lie detector tests, that it wasn't credible. the d.c. circuit said they're credible for law enforcement agents to use in criminal investigation and background checks. the guy who wrote that opinion, his name is judge brett kavanaugh. >> that's relative. congressmen, thank y gram congressman, thank you for joining us. it showed the one lawmaker like yourself can make a big difference when the big shots are in a hole. >> i thought casey was right on point in terms of meeting people in the middle and anchoring things from trust and trip. i applaud senator kuntz for doing that while i've been reluctant to say we need an additional fbi investigation because that's for a
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confidential investigative techniques, to me mark judge holed up in wherever the heck he was just didn't make much sense, and i thought it was terrible optics. and i do think that for someone like senator collins, murkowski, flake, and mansion, i don't want to speak how they're going to vote, but they tend to always reflect a real consciousness and independence and be able to explain how they're going to vote to the other side in a way that even if they don't agree with the vote, reluctant to agree, they still respect the procedure and pattern by which they got there. and i think what senator flake did today is going to really outrage the right because the base is with lindsey graham on this. the base is outraged by what they feel is bad faith by democrats. but i think a lot of the country looked at dr. ford and said at
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minimum, something happened to her, i have chills saying this, that dramatically changed her life that was very, very wrong. and i also think a lot of people saw judge kavanaugh and said i think he is telling the truth, but i also don't think -- i think he was probably paying more attention to beer parties than church in high school, and that's where i think his testimony was a little -- to the point that someone just mentioned a second ago as we get into the next week, some of those nonsexual misconduct type things may creep up. >> yeah. i think a lot of it has to do with drinking and the way different people react to too much beer. we're going to learn a lot about this guy in a week. "i" a lot of faith in the fbi. they have thousands of people to deploy. there's only ten people that have to be talked to sternly, certainly on the record with somebody with a pad in front of them jotting down everything they say.
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thank you, michelle goldberg, great column writing. congressman of pennsylvania, hope a good future in front of you. coming up, president trump praised brett kavanaugh's performance yesterday, so what does he think about the delay in the judge's confirmation? plus, what kind of supreme court justice would kavanaugh make if he were to tend on the highest court? do you like the show had he put on yesterday? and the one by senator klobuchar, he said what about you, do you ever black out? great question to ask one of your judges. arizona senator took the stand today forcing the tropes allow an fbi investigation of the allegations of brett kavanaugh and who knows what pandora's box we'll see next week. who knows what the fbi is going to get under oath perhaps with a lie detector. let me finish tonight with dr. blasey ford's powerful testimony yesterday about guys laughing at her as they tortured her, basically.
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. i'm not speaking for mitch. i talked with jeff. somebody's got to explain this to trump, i guess that will be my job. >> lindsey graham. welcome to "hardball." that was lindsey just after today's senate judiciary
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committee hearing. in resentment president trump is no longer calling the shots on brett kavanaugh's nomination. you heard it there. that role is filled by a potential 50th vote, senator jeff flake of arizona. flake called far delay today in a vote depending on the fbi investigation, the background investigation that's to come this week. he adamant president trump honor it late today. in a statement he said i've ordered the fbi to conduct a subpoena mental investigation to update judge kavanaugh's file. as the senate has requested this update must be limited in scope and be completed in less than a week. an investigation wouldn't have mattered. this afternoon trump said he would defer to the senate but it was steady fafast in his suppor canada. >> i just want it to work out well for the country. if that happens, i'm happy. >> have you thought at all about a replacement for judge
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kavanaugh? >> not even a little bit. >> white house kornet for the pbs news hour and tony schwartz. he ghosted that book for trump. tony, you're an expert on this guy, trump, you're a trump watcher. how does he like the fact that he's no longer going to call the shots? this was decided zdecided by flake and basically said to the president, you want my vote? give me an fbi investigation for one full week or i'm not going with you. >> it's been bizarre this week because trump has seemed jaunty and jolly in a way i don't see most days and i suspect he thought it was a lock and he was going to get his candidate, his second supreme court justice and look good, feel good, and so on. and i think he was probably pretty stunned this morning as the rest of us were that he did not.
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and i can say with pretty much great deal of certainty that he's not a happy dude. >> on the let's talk about that and the way he thinks. underground two supreme court nominees and the idealology of your liking. that's a hell of a season for him. and now that season is real jeopardy. he can walk away with one, but he could also look away with a guy with a lot of stuff on his face as guy who if i could wrong guy who had a drinking problem, whatever else problems, belligerence problem, and the guy's blown away with without trump's say so. what's he going to do if that happens? >> he's already offloading it to mcconnell and the senate. this is their problem, this is their responsibility. trump has no loyalty to kavanaugh. it wasn't his first choice, and it's not the kind of guy he could remotely imagine going out to dinner with. i would imagine that he cringed
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yesterday when kavanaugh cried because to trump that's weakness and vulnerability, the last thing he would have do. he's preparing to lose. >> why wouldn't trump like kavanaugh? like putin and kim jong-un, he likes bosses, big shots,ifying people. >> he doesn't like people who he doesn't think he can be like. he does think he can be like putin and kim jong-un. he doesn't think he can be kavanaugh in the sense of a yale law school graduate. >> double. >> this elite background. trump is the outer borough kid who's always trying to get accepted by people like kavanaugh and because he never actually has been accepted by the sort of establishment, deep
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in this case heart he hates them. >> here's the thing. president trump sees himself in brett kavanaugh in that he sees himself as someone who was falsely accused of sexually assaulting women. >> but he wasn't falsely accused. >> that's what president trump said, though. >> he knew what he did with stormy daniels. he knows what he did with mcdougal. >> at the press conference i asked the president this specifically and he said it was going to have an impact on the way he viewed the hearing. he said these women were all over tv and he felt wronged by that. so when he sees brett kavanaugh, he says this is another they're just trying to take down. talk about hillary clinton having revenge on him. >> how do you see that wired? how did she get even with him? >> brett kavanaugh thinks it's because the democrats conjured up all this stuff and hillary clinton must be in the background somewhere playing the strings. so there's a conspiracy theory
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he was talking about. >> there are groups that are loyal to clinton? >> i haven't seen any evidence that said the clintons themselves caused dr. ford to come forward within allegation from 30 years ago. >> maybe they had a role in it being leaked through the lawyers perhaps? >> not at all that i've heard. but he also talked about the 2016 presidential leaks and said the reason why everyone is attacking me and because i'm president trump's nominee. president trump heard that and he heard that very loud and clear, which is why they said president trump believes in brett kavanaugh, not believes in of is, but believes in him, which means that yes, he might believe his allegations but it's the fact that he believes this is someone he can be tied to. >> by the way guys, every member of the united states senate is going to get this report from the fbi. leaking "l" will be immediate but everyone is going to read it and this idea of mr. mark judge, what an interesting name, judge, keeping his words confidential is insane.
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this is going to be out there. he's a player here. >> chris, this notion that time is on the republicans' side is absurd. every day that goes by the chances that more is going to come out and that kavanaugh himself is going to dissemble again will increase. >> and the president is frustrated, very, very frustrated. he wants this to get pushed through. >> the tip box is big and open. thank you very much. when considering a nominee for the united states supreme court, educational temperament is supposed to be part of the equation. what will the hearing tell us about his educational temperament and what does that mean for the future of the supreme court? i think we saw yesterday, but let's show it to you again. this guy's performance yesterday, this is "hardball," where the action is. yesterday, this is "hardball," where the action is. to make decisions when you know what comes next. if you move your old 401(k) to a fidelity ira,
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. welcome back to "hardball." from the outside of his testimony, judge brett kavanaugh struck a tone of richs indignation accusing the democrats of orchestrating a political hit job on him. under question he appeared peeved when questioned about his past. >> so you're saying there's never been a case where you drank so much that you didn't remember what happened the night before or part of what happened? >> you're asking about blackout, i don't know, have you?
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>> could you answer the question, judge. so that's not happened, is that your answer. >> yeah, and i'm curious if you have. >> i have no drinking problem. >> the swetnick thing is a joke. that is a farce. >> would you like to say more about it? >> no. >> i was number one in the class. no, no, no. i'm going to talk about my -- >> let him answer. >> i'm going to talk about my high school record if you're going to sit here and mock me. >> did the word ralph you used in your yearbook relate to alcohol. >> i like beer. do you like beer, senator, or not? what do you like to drink? >> the next one is -- >> i welcome whatever the committee wants to do because i'm telling the truth. >> i know what you want to do. >> i'm telling the truth. >> i want to know what you want to do, judge. >> i'm innocent of this charge.
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>> then you're prepared for this investigation. >> the ranking democrat today senator dianne feinstein described kavanaugh's behavior as aggressive and belligerent, saying that i've never seen a nominee for any position behave in that manner. joining us is the legal affairs kornet for national public radio and a democratic congresswoman for the state of the washington. you're the expert, anita. you got a history of temperaments in your days. >> i didn't think that judge kavanaugh was a good witness, and the reason he wasn't a good witness was i'm not saying that he's guilty as charged, but he was unhinged. i mean, you picked and chose the cuts, yes, but there was more of
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that than there was of anything thoughtful or -- there was some tierful, but there's more rage than anything else. if you had a boss who acted like that, no matter what the circumstances were, you would run for the exit. >> it was almost like scenes from a few good men. >> you're not the first person who said that. >> where the bad guy shows off in perfect form or when they're yelling at each other. >> the crazy thing is he sent a lot of time in the earlier hearings trying to project sort of this deeply serious, grounded educational temperament and it all fell away yesterday during the hearings. he became belligerent, abusive, defiant, defensive, not righteous indignation, but actually self-righteous denigration was what i felt like we were hearing. >> do you think he felt he had already lost he might as well say what he felt?
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>> i think that might have been part of it, but i will tell you i got a lot of calls from constituents today and e-mails from constituents who were horrified at that piece. they were saying, look, we were horrified to start with the allegations of assault, but this piece around temperament is really critical. we want somebody on the supreme court who is going to be able to fair, and this man does not -- he looked unhinged as anita said. >> he hit me as anthony kennedy. he also engaged in conspiratorial thinking blaming allegations against him on left-wing activists seconds revenge on behalf of the zblonts this whole two-week effort has been a orchestrated political hit fueled with pent of anger about president trump and the 2016 election, fear that has been unfairly stoked about my
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judicial record, revenge on behalf of the clintons, and millions of dollars in money from outside left-wing opposition groups. >> where's the facts on that? are there any facts? >> no, i mean there are a lot of activists opposed to his nomination. there have been some ads, probably hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of ads, but not as many as the millions of dollars of ads that have supported him or for that matter, run by conservatives against merrick garland, that are still running today. i've never seen a nominee for any judicial position or any position be so overtly partisan. he said repeatedly i wrote this myself, i hope he didn't. i hope this is -- >> didn't you hear in his voice, both of you, the voice of a former white house staffer? worked his way up the political
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ladder. hedges from that world. >> he does. >> because i was in that world. i'm not knocking that. i was in the partisan political world. >> this was more trumpian than bushian. >> there were times i felt like i was listening to the voice i forget three-year-old. i like beer. it's bizarre for a judicial nominee. >> why would he say ten times in a hearing about his belligerence under the influence of alcohol. >> he was appealing to the trump base. i think that was part of it. >> i don't think that's fair. >> what was his arrangement for saying i love beer? >> why else would he say that over and over again. >> he's not apprehending that everyone drank beer. i think it's a fair thing to say, look, i like beer, i probably drank too much beer in high school occasionally, but i didn't do this. he went way beyond that.
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>> he actually, though, i would say he has actually tried to deny over and over again that he was -- that he liked beer a lot. he's gone back and forth. >> "saturday night live" is going to the bank with this guy. they're going to have a guy on the witnessed with a beer next to him. thank you, you're a pro of the best. congresswoman of the great city of seattle. a hairline fracture in the partnership that's come to define american politics courtesy of a republican senator from arizona with nothing to lose. what does this tell us about our politicians and the people who vote for him in november. look at this guy, the guy who is no factor is the factor tonight. you're watching "hardball." g "h. ♪
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side. we had conversations ongoing for a while with regard to making sure that we do due diligence here. and i think it would be proper to delay the floor vote for up to but not more than one week in order to let the fbi to do an investigation limited in time and scope. >> to para phrase russell crowe, we owe this investigation to one bloke, jeff flake. welcome back to "hardball." republican senator jeff flake took the reins in the confirmation process of judge brett kavanaugh. his request for a one-week delay in order to reopen the fbi background investigation has received support from three other potential swing votes. democratic senator joe mansion of west virginia, lisa murkowski of alaska and susan collins.
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president trump was forced to bow to a nonfactor in the u.s. senate. let's bring in alanna shore from politico. clarence paige, and margaret columnist for the daily beast. what do you think of this one vote? >> it shows the power of this block of swing votes in this senate and a 51-49 chamber. jeff flake was able to get together and we have an indication to get this coalition. >> what was the so on smart about him pushing for this other thing. it didn't become a nay vote, he became an affirmative delay vote. >> whenever you have a close vote congress like this one, it empowers the middle. and he's taking advantage of that now. it also shows you what a senator can do who's not planning to run again. >> he's not worried about the nine of you ten republican voters who back trump on every
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single thing. that's why the others are hog tied. >> it is a big relief, but i was struck by a profile in democracy. here's a guy who held an elevator door. senators have their own alternativ elevators to keep those people out. he's got a warm and human side to him and the friendship with coons is real and he's shown if you can do something if you want. >> we've come coma long guy from strom thurman. lindsey graham has been one of the most vocal supporters, and today he insisted he was not going to back grown speaking his mind. >> i know i'm a single white male from south carolina, and i'm told i should shut up, but i will not shut up if that's okay. because i get here the same way everybody else did. the people in south carolina voted for me. >> was that a cry for help?
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single white male? >> it was senator mazie hirono had told the men to shut up. so he was subtling telling democrats i see you and i'm not going to shut up. it was an interesting moment. >> looks like a draw with the gerunds, at lea genders. >> interesting how he's gone from the never-trumper who had to throw out his cell phone because trump gave his phone number away to being an advocate. today he said somebody's got to get the president's permission, i guess that's going to be me because he was the guy. >> margaret, let's have a little fun. who's going to have a bad week next week? with the fbi out on the trail, thousands of agents deployed, talking to every accuser, every possible witness, everybody who's ever drank with him. this is a lot of fire power and
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candle power. they know what they're doing. >> yeah, it's hard to bear up under that. we already know about the little lies that brett kavanaugh, the gratuitous lies he didn't have to tell about what words meant and the yearbook and that poor girl. >> you don't think ralph tried to deal with his bad stomach. >> if you go to the urban dictionary and it's not spicy food. >> the partisan attacks were on full display at the senate judiciary committee. >> two members of this committee leveled personal attacks at senator feinstein. they said she skelled dr. ford's letter for partisan reasons, perhaps in this trumpian era, those sorts of baseless personal charges are to be expected. >> my democratic colleagues are embarrassed to say publicly because they demonstrate this has become a partisan circus. this is not about substance. this is about smears. >> the constitution does not say
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we the ruling party. the constitution says we the people. >> as far as i'm concerned, congress has hit rock bottom and started to dig. >> what do you think of that? they're all knocking themselves. >> i have to say i have been a reporter on capitol hill for more than a decade and i've never seen it this intense and this strained between these members. it's been a really rough month. >> why? >> the high stakes politically. >> the choices, the two factions that are so impassioned that the stakes are so high. and you hear from the people so polarized, let's make it 8,000, abortion is very hard to compromise on. >> this is their base. go back to 1980 when reagan brought the christian coalition and robertson, the party that
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became core group in the gop. and since then now they care about the supreme court more than democrats do. democrats get upset at times like this where they can say that the court's going to tilt the wrong way. but who's out there every election day pitching for a conservative court, it's the right. so that's why republicans now are forgetting merrick garland and the other hardball politics of the past they played. >> i think it's fair to say the politicians in both parties have shoved the hardest issues of our times, and this has been going on since the '50s over the court. you decide. you decide about integrating our high school, prayer in school, you decide all this stuff and making the most horrifically difficult issues, they have to take the heat. >> i think the the biggest cultural issues are there. what we saw yesterday was the
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stakes were very high, but also that division between left and right. yesterday it was digressing because half the country was going to end up not speaking to the other half of the country over brett kavanaugh. it had seeped down, and i had friends where we can bridge the gap. it was very hard yesterday. >> it's not the strongest personality in the world either. >> i'm having -- >> not yesterday. >> don't forget thomas hill, that split the country too. >> you're right about that. we all remember that one. next these three will tell me something you don't know. you're watching "hardball." you w you're watching "hardball. my mom's pain from
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it's been a week of high drama on capitol hill and it ended with the president forced to reopen the fbi investigation into brett kavanaugh. both white house and republican leaders in the senate rejected. for most of the republicans in the senate judiciary committee the goal was to rush through the confirmation of kavanaugh and basically ignore the testimony of his accuser. so i'm going to let dr. ford
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finish tonight because she deserves to be heard. >> what is the strongest memory you have? strongest memory of the incident, something you cannot forget. take whatever time you need. >> indelible in the hipaa campus is the laughter, the uproarious laughter between the two and their having fun at my expense. >> you've never forgotten that laughter, you've never forgotten them laughing at you. >> they were laughing with each other. >> and you were the object of the laughter? >> i was underneath one of them while the two laughed, two friends having a really good time with one another. >> well, that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us.
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"all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight an "all in". >> look at me and tell me what it doesn't matter what happened to me. >> survivors storm the capitol and high drama ensues in the senate. >> i will only be comfortable moving on the floor until the fbi has done more investigation than they have already. >> after brett kavanaugh and the senate and the president repeatedly refused, there will now be an fbi investigation into the credible sexual assault allegations against the supreme court nominee. >> sometimbody's got to explain this to trump. i guess that will be my job. >> tonight, how the president's hand was forced. >> the vote was a positive vote. but there seems to be a delay. >> what we know about what the fbi will be investigating. >> mark judge was a friend of ours in high school. >> and reaction from the family of christine blasey ford. >> i am here today, not because i want to be.