this is going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live and i will see you tomorrow morning on "today" and andrea mitchell is standing by to pick it up from here. >> thank you. and right now on "andrea mitchell reports" -- at a tacking ttack ing t -- attacking the victim. as the fbi is rushing to close the investigation on brett kavanaugh, the president is at a rally openly mocking christine bla blasey ford. >> where was the place? i don't know. how many years ago? i don't know. i don't know. think of your son. think of your husband. i have had many false accusations. i have had it so many. and when i say it didn't happen, nobody believes me. >> a bridge too far? how will the president's comments affect the handful of undecided republicans as party leaders push ahead with a friday

vote is on confirmation. >> the president's comments were just plain wrong. >> it is just not right. i wish he had not done it. i just -- i will say it is kind of appalling. >> and follow the money. "the new york times" explosive investigation shattering the myth of donald trump self-made billionaire businessman. >> in the building right now is inkredable that we have it, and that is understanding a huge transfer of wealth that happen and gave us so much more information to be able to understand the tax games that were played. good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in washington and where in a dramatic change of tone from last week, president trump mocking brett kavanaugh's accuser at a raucous rally.

>> what he is going through 36 years ago this happened. i had one beer, right. i had one beer. well, you think that -- nope, one beer. oh, good. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. how many years ago? i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where's the house? i don't know. upstairs, downstairs, where where was it? i don't know, but i had one beer, and this is the only thing they are remember. >> all of this even as the democrats are challenging multiple reports that the fbi will complete the are reopened background check as early as today. a and jeff flake, the republican whose objections triggered the fbi probe signalled that he would not consider kavanaugh's belligerent behavior at the hearing or his youthful drinking

to be irrelevant or disqualifying. joining us is kristen welker, and ruth marcus editorial page editor at the washington post, and jeff rosenberg, former u.s. attorney and former fbi official. kristen to, you, this dramatic change since only a week ago when the president was saying that dr. ford was credible, and seemed to be a fine woman. and he is unleashing and unloading on her last night on the rally. >> it was striking, andrea, to hear his dramatic shiftt in tone. you are absolutely right. and we have been talking to officials here about what exactly drove the shift. kellyanne conway said any major shift, but other folks are saying that privately president trump trying to expose some of what he perceives discrepancies and then the things that have come out in the wake of the dr. ford's testimony including the fact that the prosecutor rachel mitchell in a letter to republicans on the senate

judicial committee and pib-- pi them to do this said she would not be bringing charges in the case. that is one of the things that is fueling the president's tirade last night, and andrea, of it, and you tick have to takt into consideration. and trump told alexander on the white house south lawn that they are so in favor of judge kavanaugh, it is like a rallying cry for republicans. so undoubtedly he is seeing some type of the political calculation to this as well, andrea. >> and speaking of the rallying cries, lindsey graham's comments last week at that hearing was a rallying cry and until jeff flake intervened for republicans and he was interviewed by jeff goldblum our colleague over at "atlantic festival."

and the crowd got raucous there, too >> he went through the rendition they did not particularly like, and i would tell him to knock it off and it can be worse, and it is that we have -- >> okay. fine, fine. >> whether you like it or not i don't care. this is the point, i have seen what happened to the women in 1998 that came forward and i'm the first person to say that i want to hear from dr. ford. i thought that she was handled respectfully. i thought that kavanaugh was treated like crap. yeah. well, boo yourself. >> ruth marcus, in 1998 he was talking and i was not at that conference because i was working on the program here, but i think that he is obviously talking about bill clinton and the accusers -- >> and the monica lewinski can -- >> and the other women, juanita broderick who accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct.

>> we thought that we were in a place of few short weeks ago where the women were going to be treated differently than they were in 1998 than they were back when we cover you and i covered anita hill and clarence thomas. what the president did last night was just sickening. maybe we should only be surprised that it took him so long to do it, and he was able to follow the script of treating her with some respect for so long. but it was sickening and maybe it is smart for him politically in the mid-terms to the rally his base, but he has a short term objective which is not an audience of million, but an audience of three or four senators, and they don't seem to have dealt with it, appreciated the way he approached it, and we will see if it makes any difference to them. >> and jeff flake along with chris kuns was on the "today" show, and we want toed to play hum, because he and susan collins, and lisa murkowski are the three critical votes as

mitch mcconnell made it clear that they are rushing ahead with a vote this week. >> we have seen a record that he has had on the court of collegiality and working with other members. so i think that you have to give some leeway. >> there are people coming forward suggesting that he did do more serious drinking than he communicated to the committee. if that were the case, would you consider that to be a situation where he had not been truthful with the committee? >> well, that is obviously difficult to judge what constitutes drinking in excess and i am not quite sure how to judge that especially for this mormon, that is a tough one for me. >> casey hunt is joining us from capitol hill where you are interviewing a number of people and i was struck by interpreting jeff flake today. he was not saying that the lack of ocollegiality and the blej

yent behavior and the demeanor of the way he was to senators is not disqualifying and nor the evidence over the excessive d n drinking and high school and college, and at the same time, he is not happy about the way that the president disparaged dr. ford last night. >> that is absolutely right, andrea, and what you are seeing is a reflection of how senator flake has felt throughout the process which is that he is very torn and feels extraordinary conflicted. and you have been able to read it on his face in the hallways here over the course of the past week. you know, we saw it the night before that judiciary committee drama unfold and ultimately resulted in this new investigation and postponing the vote. jeff flake has never made a secret of his disdain quite frankly for president trump, but the are reality is that there are also other factors at play here, and you know, you have heard him acknowledge if he were

running for re-election this would not be from a political perspective, yes on ka kavanaugh, because it would be political suicide to vote no. so he is under crit is schism from the democrats -- criticism for the democrats who laud him for objecting to what the president says, but that he doesn't have anything to do about it, and now he has something to do it and the critics of kavanaugh view it. you can see the conflict playing out in public. i do think that the fundamentals reality remains the same which is that senators murkowski and collins are likely are ready to vote yes on kavanaugh if this fbi investigation does not uncover anything new, andrea. >> and to the fbi investigation chuck rosenberg, you have so much deep experience in the fbi, and in the background checks in your previous career. more than 40 people with potential information on judge

kavanaugh according to nbc news have not been contacted by the fbi. it seems as though they have been limited to looking for corroborating evidence about dr. ford and perhaps debbie ramirez's allegations, but not the other stuff of whether he lied about the drinking or whether he lied about whether he is bart o'kavanaugh and having signed a letter to his friends back then about a beach are reunion, and the judicial demeanor or the lack of demeanor does not seem to be of relevance to the fbi certainly or the committee members. >> i am not sure that it is not of relevance to the fbi, because there is a big difference, andrea, between what the fbi can do and what they are permitted to do. so if they were permitted to do whatever investigation they thought was warranted, they were permitted to follow all of the logical leads, and i don't know if they would talk to 40 people or 140 people, but i know that

at least we could be confident that they were doing what they thought needed to be done, but that is not what is going on here. >> what is going on here? >> what is going on here, because this is a background investigation and not a criminal investigation, is the white house, the client agency, sort of dictates the terms, the scope, the breadth of the investigation. the fbi is limited to what the client, the white house wants. and so, that is putting the fbi in a remarkably unfair box, because it will be criticized for not doing enough when it can't do all it wants to do. >> and according to ken dilanian backing what you have said, he has reported according to a number of sources to him that in fact the fbi has expanded this investigation as we were reporting to two more witnesses, two more witnesses, and that is all, and not to a significant number and not looking at all of the issues of the drinking, and of the letter and of other people from yale now writing the letters saying they had

previously supporting him, and now they are not. >> this is my educated guess about the expansion that the fbi has to go back to the white house counsel and the white house and the client and say there are two more people that we want to speak with and may we? that is not how you do the criminal -- and so i imagine, andrea, they won't talk to many more people if they want it done today or by the end of the week. the work is being very carefully dictate and circumscribed by the white house. >> and by the way, this is not what the president wanted, and promised us and it is not just bad for the fbi, but bad for the court and bad for country to have people think however this turns out that a full investigation was not done. >> and even yesterday, the marine helicopter to take marine one out and to, you know, take

his trip to mississippi, the president talking about how boys are now in jeopardy. do we that tape? i'd like to play that? >> it is a scary time for young men in america when you can be guilty of something that you may not be guilty of. this is a very, very -- and this is a very difficult time. what's happening here has much more to do than even the appointment of a supreme court justice. it really does the. you can be somebody perfect your entire life and somebody could accuse you of something. >> and this is going back to what he said at the news conference in new york last week, and he is empathizing as what he says is the falsely accused victim except in his case, we know that they were not false accusation, and acknowledged and he had do not disclose -- >> at least some of them. and so he is the most imperfect

messenger of the most imperfect message. and the most imperfect messenger for the reasons that you just said. and he has had credible allegations of sexual harassment and sexual activity against him, and he has, the empathy is in one direction and empathy is only towards the accused perpetrator and never towards the victim. >> and kasie hunt, before you go, and i know that you have a ton of things to do, and mitch mcconnell can's vote that therea motion to proceed and just the first floor and not the final confirmation vote? >> right. sop yrp, the -- so andrea, ther senate procedures here that are challengi challenging, so i will try to walk the viewers through and i know that you are familiar. but initially, and it is kind of setting up to be the critical vote on kavanaugh is what is known as the cloture vote which is used to be the one that took 60 vote, but now because of the change of the rules pushed through by the democrats and the

circuit judges and now by republican republicans on the supreme court nominees that is the vote set up friday. if the democrats demanded to follow the rules to the letter, it another 30 hours or day and a half and change to have a final vote on kavanaugh, and so we are waiting for the timing to play out. we anticipate it could go into the weekend and potentially agree to make changes if everyone is on board for it, but we are settling in for a long week here on the hill. >> kasie hunt still at it, and of course, kristen welker, and our panel. and now, trump is blasting a potential investigation showing fraud by the trump family. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" on msnbc. tiew 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks stayed clearer through 48 weeks.

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my father gave me a small loan in 1975 and i built it into a company that is worth many, many billions of dollars with some of the greatest assets in the world. >> i borrowed very little money from my father. >> it has not been easy for me. it is not easy. i started ut in brooklyn and my father gave me a small loan of $1 million and i came into manhattan and i had to pay him back and back with interest, and i came into manhattan and started buying up properties and did great. >> he has been touting himself as a self-made billionaire, but in an investigation based on

confidential tax returns and financial records, it says that president trump received the equivalent of at least $413 million from his father's real estate empire starting as a toddler to now contradicting the boast that he received little help from his father. joining me is peter baker, and jeremy peters both of the new york times, and both of them are fortunately msnbc contributors. peter, first to you, the "times" says thousands of pages of records that they have been going through the voluminous amount of records, and questions about the tax fraud, perhaps civil liability if not criminal because of the statute of limitations, but talk more about the politics of this. because, we know how the legal traps are very, very difficult, but how about the political impact of portraying this president of the united states as not the self-made man that he has boasted of being. >> well, that is exactly right. this is the imagine that he has

cultivated since the beginning of time in public life and long before he was in politics. he has written books, and marketed a television show, and of cours he has ran for president that he is and up from the boot straps kind of figure that parlayed the sev seven-figure loan, but only $1 million in the contex the oft a multi billion corporation into to something rather extraordinary is not the full story. what our colleagues have shown in the report is that over the years, his father was through one method or another was funneling money to him from loans or outright gifts or sometimes in the form of oproperty all of which helped to build donald trump into the businessman that he would become. this is, you know, the first time that i think that anybody has managed to put together as many details of his business and a tax arrangements in this way given that he has not released his own tax returns unlike every president going back some four

decades. >> and the president has responded in a tweet today reacting to the the report saying that the failing "new york times" has done something that i have never seen before, and they used the concept of time value of money in doing an old and boring and often told hit piece on me and adding up that 97% of the stories on me are bad. and never recovered from the bad election call. jeremy, it is an attack on your colleagues and the newspaper and as well as peter baker's of course. >> well, the president can call it fake news or whatever epiteth s that he wants to hurl at us, but what our colleagues did is to the look at thousands and thousands of pages of documents and canceled bank statements and checks, and to draw this picture of how intertwined president trump's finances are with his father's, and undercuts this mythology around trump as a

self-made man, and he not only had one trust fund according to reporting here of our colleague, but three are trust funds, and loan after loan after loan from his father, and many of which were never repaid. so, again, the idea that he did -- and that his success success is due to his own brilliance and strategic sense is just not supported by the facts in the story. >> one of the quotations from the story is that he was getting money from the early age, and by age 3, mr. trump was earning $200,000 a year by today's number numbers. and by age 8, he had part ownership of a 52-room apartment building. and he had money increased through the years to more than $5 million annually in the 40s and the 50s and so part of the issue is allegations which have

been reported in part before that at critical moments in the casino business in atlanta city, he was bailed out with money from his father that perhaps, i think that the allegation, pe r peter, is that they did not pay taxes on the gifts and they were not acknowledged as well. >> that is part of it, and some of issues are for example that the property was transferred and the valuation of the properties was manipulated in a way to the avoid having to pay gift taxes, and part of issue is, you know, the loans that were not repaid, and what theour colleagues have found is that years and years and years of the creative or the perhaps dishonest or the misleading bookkeeping meant that the trump family was able to avoid millions and millions of dollars of taxes. now, as you are point iing out the beginning maybe a statute of limitations on this in the criminal side of thing, but the new york state authority said they would take a look at the issues as a result of the

article, and they can look at it in terms of the civil liability, and if there were state taxes not paid in full, a tnd the president a has said that the federal taxes are being audited or were as of 2016, and we have never heard a conclusion to that and something that he might be asked again if he submits to questions. so are there is still so many unanswered questions and one thing that he kuld do if he wanted to help clarify them is to release the tax returns. >> which other recent presidents have done. >> and this is the allegations of tax evasion are false and highly defamatory, and there was no fraud or tax evasion by anyone. the facts that the "times" are basing the analysis is extremely inaccurate which is not getting to the plolitical achievements that he is not as ed a vadverti self-made man. peter and jeremy of "the new york times" thank you both very much. and coming up, the the

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i will never forget. incredible experience. and the stories that i heard from the gentlemen, and it is really, really touching. >> first lady melania trump in gauna visiting the same slave dungeons that shocked president obama and his family in 2009. ron allen is traveling with the first lady. tell me about this clearly historic and emotional visit and how did she react to it? >> it is very powerful place to be, andrea. because this is so real, and this is one of those monuments to man and humanity is restored very much, and you can see the gun turrets over there, and it used to be an old fort.

and there are dungeons, and rock into the ground where they held men, women and children, and many died here. it is a profound and powerful place to be, and again, when melania trump came here, this is the first time that she spoke to us since she has been here in africa now for several days, and that is literally going to tell you how moved she was by it, and she wanted to convey that. she said that to convey this, to help the children of africa, she needs to understand the history and the culture, and this place, this place cape coast castle it is called now, it is probably the most remarkable, and the most well known, and the most infamous slave trading fortress in the world. there are about a dozed or so are preserved up and down the african coast, and this place falls into the place of robben island where mandela was held or other slave trading fortresses and dare i say auschwitz in

poland where so many jews were killed, and that kind of the power here. and again, a lot of it is because when you come here, you can feel and see what happened. so from here, this is where mrs. trump is going to complete her day in ghana and on to malawi and egypt, and a lot of the trip is visiting the high -- hospitals and schools, and coming here is how emotionally and intellectually interested she is to try to do something. >> i have seen the other way of the slave trade the museum, and how the african-american museum has reconstructed this end of it, and it is so powerful and emotional, and have you been there before, and what is the experience that you have there? >> i have not been here. i have been to the museum in

washington and robben island in south africa, and auschwitz, and bunts island in sierra leone, which is another trade slaving port that is in ruins. and it is when you are peaceful and you reflect, you can feel what happened, and it is horrific, and of course, the hope is that seeing these places, and experiencing them helps prevent this from ever happening again. andrea. >> thank you, ron, for the reporting and thank you for being with us today. coming up, should questions of character be a factor in the brett kavanaugh confirmation? we will be right back. a new beginning. some welcome relief... or a cause for celebration. ♪ what's inside? ♪ [laughter] possibilities. what we deliver by delivering.

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key senate republicans are now slamming president trump's remarks last night about christine blasey ford, and three of them are jeff flake and susan collins and lisa murkowski. they say that the president's remarks were inappropriate. and joining me is the white house chuncations dr-- house communications director under president obama, and also, the communications director under the republican party, michael steele, and are you still a republican still? >> well, it is harder everyday, but we are still in the fight and i have the flag and looking for a place to plant it. >> and you is the republican flag. okay. so you are carrying the flag

today and you can see the president, and then he goes to the rally and he is not only defending himself and other falsely-accused men, quotation marks, and boys everywhere, but he is going after a sexual assault victim who had nothing to gain arguably and comes and bears her soul before a hostile judiciary committee. >> and so, here we are again, and we should not be surprised that the president went there. and remember the run-up to the last night was, okay, the president, and everybody is waiting for the president to say something, you know, derogatory about dr. floyd, ford. and he didn't. he came out and he said that she is remarkable woman, and all of these nice things, but that is not what he believes. when the president comes out to have these comment, just wait for it, wait for it, wait for it, and boom. and that is what happened last night. he is in the audience with the audience and in his element, and he is going to riff on how he really feels. and here the problem, what he said last night was unfortunate to the lead-in point that you

have got three senators who are legitimate concerned about mrs. ford's narrative is being treated and whether or not she is being give n the opportunity to get the proper hearing and to have the president then come do the wrap around to undermine it and make it harder for him to stand in support of the nominee is again not about anyone other than what the president thinks and feels in that moment. >> and so what about the way they might vote? because it is not at all clear that any or all of the three will base their votes on anything that the president says, or even on the issues of the drinking or whether he deliberately lied about what a devil's triangle is and all of these issues. >> well, if he deliberately lied in front of the judiciary committee when you are trying to become a supreme court justice, the republicans would take it into consideration to consider that lying before congress, but

it is not clear that is what they will do here and if it is is going to change any outcome of kavanaugh's confirmation, but, it, you know, you could see it building, right? like, look at how he treated ms. vega, another reporter at the white house a couple of days ago. >> we played it yesterday. >> and so there are things that he says that are offensive and in politic, you could see it planted and that is not planned. that is anger and i found it chilling that it is raw anger directed at a woman. and yesterday, it was back to the grievance president, and the trifecta of the grievances, and protecting his oown, himself against the accusations that women have made of him, and it is helping his, his nominee and intimidating women on the democratic side that are likely to come out to vote in november.

that is so, really unfortunate thing, but that is how he got the there. >> and it is no surprise that he attacks dianne feinstein for the leaks. she comes from where the senate, your word is your bond. and she said she did not leak it. now if it is someone from congress or related to dr. ford remains to be seen, but i agree she did hold it too long, but she did not leak it. >> and that is part of the problem that is the safe harbor for a lot of the republican members of the committee is the process under which this information was revealed to the public and starting with the fact that she sat on, as they would say, and you can see the political conundrum. and so that is the political process issue that she was having to deal with internally under the senate rules and the

committee rules, but at the end of the day, it is no excuse, because you want to open up the door as wide as you can to have the sunlight come in on the facts to make a decision. >> one of the things that came out overnight in "the new york times" is this letter in his handwriting from when he was a young man in 1983 beach week letter as it was, and it would be a good idea on saturday the 18th to warn the neighbors that we are loud and obnoxious drunks with prolific pukers among us, and advise them to go 30 miles. and jokingly and organizing the event and signed bart, and acknowledging that is his nickname bart and despite the testimony when asked about it. >> and that, and that he was, you know, that he apparently was vomiting a lot from beer. it is you know -- >> don't discount it.

>> in some ways it is ridiculous, but this is somebody who is trying to get on the supreme court. >> it is the image of the court. >> and it is, and that is what is so, and that is what is so remas remarkable to the watch is to watch somebody who was trying to get the approval trying to be on the supreme court of the senators he was in front of and treating them with such disrespect, and lying about things that he thought were stupid, but it is not his decision. >> and jen palmeiri and michael steele, thank you. >> stop the press, how the president's attacks on the media are reshaping american democracy. you are watching "andrea mitchell reports" and stay with us on msnbc. in clinical trials, prevagen has been shown to improve short-term memory. prevagen. healthier brain. better life.

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i think the fake news media back there is starting to get it, folks. they are starting to understand what is going on. they are really dishonest people. not all of them, but damn well most of them, i can tell you that. fake news. >> president trump again taking aim at his favorite a target, the media at a campaign rally in mississippi last night. joining me is marvin kalb, fo

former moderator of "meet the press" of cbs and then nbc state department correspondent and author of "enemy of the state" and i did not fill in the rest of the long celebrated resume, but as a former colleague and i think of all of the stories that i covered and i joined you as a junior correspondent in your wake, it is -- >> now, not the junior. >> now you are the author and the big deal. tell me what about motivated you to write this book? >> it is no plez 1450-- no plea editorial author, and i wanted to stay on the middle and write the news, but i did it because trump in february of last year, 2017 used the expression "enemy of the people" in describing the american press that i had only heard and associated with dictators of the 20th century.

hitler used it, and stalin used it and mao used it and he is not of that political motivation, and so what used this? i think that the motivation is that if he can humiliate the press enough and say they are dishonest people, and he puts them on the defensive and when you are on the defensive you don't want to take on the boss, and he feels that he can get away with a lot by putting you all on the defensive and so he will call you the enemy of the people. i want to believe that is the sole objective f. the. if there is an authoritarian bent beyond that, i don't want to think about it. >> and also to diminish the press as authentic and credible source of information about him, and so he is diminishing the validity of the accuracy about him and certainly started that in 2016 by shouting out and

shouting down specific members of the media including our colleagues. >> absolutely. and he is in a way getting away wit, and what i mean by that is already on a very slow slide in terms of the public's trust. in the press. it was going down. he's now come along and pushed it dramatically. so that of the two major political parties in this country, in the republican party more than 50% of republicans today according to recent polls believe that the press only puts out negative stories of trump, they're not being fair, and 37% of all americans have adopted the idea that the press is, in fact, the enemy of the people. that is a frightening thing in a democracy. and to me, it undercuts one of the fundamentals of democracy. you have -- you have to have

what ed murrow said many years ago. the sanctity of the court and of the press. if you wound them you wound the essence of the system. >> i want to tap into your expertise on foreign policy. this is what lindsey graham of the president's recent comments on north korea just a few moments ago with jeffrey goldberg. >> i'm worried that north korea's dividing us from south korea. i'm worried that we are being played here. so i'm telling president trump enough with i love you. this is not a guy -- >> you specifically cl-- >> this love crap needs to stop. >> why did he say it? >> in his world trying to pull him in his orbit, charm works. insults work. i can't explain -- i know that nafta worked.

but this is different. >> secretary of state is heading to pyongyang this weekend. >> right. >> what's the message here? >> the message here it seems to me is that we're in a very uneven approach to north korea right now. it is wonderful that the president took the heat out of the idea of a war with north korea. when you get into diplomacy, that has to be a patient business. and the secretary of state said on air about ten days ago this time before we have this next notion we' negotiation we'll do it carefully and slowly but he's not. he's followed the president's jazzed up model of diplomacy. >> thank you for enemy of the people, trump's war on the press. marvin, friend and colleague. >> thank you. >> great to see you. we'll be right back. >> tech: don't wait for a chip like this to crack your whole windshield. with safelite's exclusive resin,

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democrat jason candor was a favorite to become kansas city's next mayor but he suddenly pulled out of the race. his reason, post traumatic stress disorder. he served in afghanistan and said he struggled with ptsd since and calling a v.a. suicide hotline last week. writing on facebook, so after 11 years of trying to outrun depression and ptsd symptoms, i

have finally concluded that it's faster than me. i have to stop running, turn around and confront it. joining me is the author of the author "will the democrats wake up before 2020?" he is typical of some of the new military veterans running in democratic races not for president but running for state and local offices. and now he's dropped out. you know, that's a remarkable thing. >> well, i think he deserves an enormous amount of credit for taking what's clearly a courageous step to do what he's done and to make it public what he's done and i think that what he's done is likely to have an affect on others who perhaps were reluctant to seek treatment who will do so. i think it's entirely commendable. he's been a rising star. he had run for office before.

not successfully. he was in the race for the kansas city mayor. and now has had to step away from that. but i think that for him this is a wholly important and appropriate thing to have done. its impact on the party is hard to determine and i think real issue for him is that he get the kind of treatment he needs and deserves. >> exactly. and to be an example and role model for others to reach out from a high profile position like that. i want to ask you about 2020 because we have a number of shall we say older candidates who are, you know, edging back into the race. joe biden. even elizabeth warren and some others from that generation. where is the democratic party from your reporting and you're the best door knocker there is going out and around the country. i mean, what are the -- what does the field look like? >> well, the field is big and not fully formed at this point.

there are three people i think you put sort of at the top of the list which are joe biden and bernie sanders and elizabeth warren but after that you have, you know, many as many two dozen people at least thinking of the race in 2020. one of the things donald trump taught everybody is that the unthinkable is no longer the impossible. and so i i ththink that for all kinds of people the prospect of running is attractive because i think people believe it's a wide open race. we have written and talked about the problems of the republican party but the democrats have a lot of problems they have to solve regardless of what happens in the 2018 election. i mean, they have issues of ideology and gender, race, geography and as you say generation. you know, the three people at the top of the list are older people. and there is a hunger on parts of the -- in parts of the democratic party for a different generation to take over. so that's what we're going to

see beginning right after the 2018 midterms. >> dan, to be continued. please come back. that does it for us. we are out of time. here's ali and stephanie for "velshi & ruhle." >> thank you. have a good rest of the afternoon. good afternoon to you. i'm ali velshi. >> i'm stephanie ruhle. it's wednesday, october 3rd. let's get starter. >> 36 years ago this happened. i had one beer. right? i had one beer. well, you think it was -- nope. it was one beer. oh good. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where's the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was it? i don't know. i don't know. i don't know. what neighborhood was in? i don't know. where's the house? i don't know. upstairs, down stairs. where was it? i don't know. i had one beer. a man's life is in tatters. a man's life is shattered. his wife is