that's "the beat" tonight. we'll be back at 6:00 p.m. eastern tomorrow. "hardball" with chris matthews is up next. >> see no evil. let's play "hardball." ." there are reports the fbi background investigation into judge brett kavanaugh could be wrapped up as early as tonight. but what will be in the package? will it be the truth about kavanaugh. the fbi has only two days to complete the probe sparked by christine blasey ford's sexual assault allegation and while the investigation may be winding down, major questions remain

about its scope. the fbi has spoken to six individuals in connection with the investigation, mark judge, brett kavanaugh's friend who dr. ford identified as being in the room when she was allegedly assaulted. leland keyser and patrick smith who ford identified as being present at the assault allegedly occurred. deborah ramirez who alleged kavanaugh exposed himself to her when they were at yale and two of kavanaugh's high school friends, tim gaudette and chris garrett. however, more than 40 potential corroborators or character witnesses haven't been contacted including more than 20 individuals who know either brett kavanaugh or debbie ramirez. and nearly 20 people with potential information about dr. ford's allegation, none of them being interviewed. the fbi hasn't interviewed judge kavanaugh himself nor has the fbi interviewed dr. ford hers f

herself. after weeks of restraint, president trump dismissed dr. ford's allegations in mississippi. it may be one of the worst things he's done recently. let's watch. >> 36 years ago this happened. i had one beer. i had one beer. well you think -- nope, one beer. oh, good, how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where is the place? i don't remember, how many years ago was it? i don't know. i don't know. [ cheers and applause ] i don't know. i don't know. what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where's the house? i don't know. upstairs, down stairs, where was it? i don't know. but i had one beer, that's all i remember. >> are all the women there cheering? i don't think so based on that picture. today senate majority leader mitch mcconnell again reiterated he expects to have a vote on kavanaugh's nomination this week, that would mean by saturday but president trump's comments may have complicated

matters with three republican senators who could decide kavanaugh's fate. jeff flake, susan collins and lisa murkowski who slammed the president's comments. >> there's no time for comments like that. to say this at a political rally is just not right. >> it's appalling. the president's comments were just played wrong. >> i am taking everything into account. the president's comments yesterday mocking dr. ford were wholly inappropriate. >> sarah sanders defended the president today. >> the president was stating the facts, the testimony by dr. ford was compelling but you can't make this decision based on emotion. it has to be based on fact.

that's one of the reasons they begged for the fbi and delayed a hearing vote so they could get more facts on this case it seemed he was stating facts that dr. ford herself laid out. >> ridiculous. i'm joined by richard blumenthal, mimi rocah, former assistant u.s. attorney and eddie glaude the a professor at princeton. senator, your reaction to the president's performance. >> appalling is the right word. mocking and ridicule ago survival of sexual assault. it recalled me about dr. christine blasey ford talking about the alleged laughter of mark judge and judge kavanaugh when they assaulted her so it was demeaning and dismiss i have not only to her but also the entire community of survivors.

it describes why so few people come forward because they face this public shaming and ridiculing. it's the worst kind of reaction to claims of sexual assault. >> you're a former prosecutor for a long time, i knew you as the attorney general of connecticut. women who have been assaulted and certainly more serious if they were raped, both horrendous crimes. the hard thing is to have them put up with the ridicule or questioning or skepticism and here the president, what did he do to that crowd out there? >> it was a shameful and disgraceful message to all surviv survivors that they are not entitled to be believed. that they will be ridiculed and mocked. >> by the president of the united states. >> by the commander-in-chief, the chief law enforcement officer of the united states and it's just gut wrenching, stomach turning to see the president of the united states after dr.

christine blasey ford knowing the nightmare she would have to endure came forward, spoke her truth to the powers of the united states senate and then has continued to endure the threats and so forth. >> professor glaude, it seems to me this is insult and injury together. not only has the president insulted her again, mocking her for the gaps in more memory. not for her memory but the gaps so that therefore she should haven't brought the case forward but in the instructions he's giving to the fbi, don't interview her. we don't need to investigate. don't believe her but don't ask her any more questions because you might learn more. there seems to be a real contradiction here. a conflict in what he wants. it sounds like he doesn't want to hear from her because she's afraid she has more. your thoughts? >> i think it reveals not only a contradiction but bad faith that part of what victims of sexual

assault and rape want is for folks to take the claim seriously. we heard early on republicans saying very clearly that we should hear dr. christine blasey ford's story. we should be open to our minds being changed. even donald trump said that in the press conference but what -- what last night revealed in mississippi is that donald trump was never open to changing his mind. that he engaged in this process in bad faith and in some ways called the fbi information and constrainting it also suggests a crisis of legitimacy around the process more broadly. so at the heart of this to my mind, chris is bad faith that suggests the process was broken. >> the republican leaders said the report would only be made available to senators but tennessee republican bob corker argued for making some of the

findings public. >> i know what's going to happen to this. the two sides are going to leak out the part that benefit their side of the argument and if there was some way for us to present this to the public, i think it would be helpful. it would help the american people know there was a background check that took place and what came out of it. >> mimi, the president has argued he's the chief law enforcement official that is he is above the attorney general and then he mocks a witness, a victim who comes forward and says i have been been assaulted and i want to talk about it to the united states senate because they are deciding that who the next member of the supreme court will be which to me is citizen duty and he mocks her for meeting her duty as the top executive of the government. he's saying here i am on behalf of the united states government tell me.

you are a fool to tell us what was done to you because we'll laugh at you. he's done it before. >> you have the new president of the united states say nothing one should come forward with their story of sexual assault unless they can prove it themselves as opposed to the way it works or some official body. they tell what happened and then law enforcement investigates and figures it out. everyone is assuming it's dr. ford's burden to prove every piece of this. this isn't a trial. second that's not how it works. victims had things happen to th them. she remembers key details. he wasn't even accurate in what he was shocking her about.

she did describe the location, she has a specific time frame. it happened in her teens. she knows that she has given leads to give the date more specifically. >> you have to get to this point. he kept saying she kept saying she only had one beer. is he implying she was drunk? that she was somehow cooperative in this horror? she's saying i only had one beer except to mock that claim. why would he pick on that one detail? >> look, i think to some extent to suggest that because she had a beer she was complicit because that's what he does but remember at the end of the hearing, at the end of her testimony, everybody trump, even fox news was saying a sexual assault happened to this woman. they were still saying well

maybe she was wrong about who it was or she's misremembering but there is no question that people believed including trump, fox news, and many republicans that she was the victim of a sexual assault. that hasn't changed. he is mocking somebody who he admitted is a victim of sexual assault and now he's facing to find ways to blur the lines because the facts don't look good for brett kavanaugh when you look just at the facts. >> well, she's inconvenient -- her testimony is inconvenient to his plan to pack the court. anyway, democrats are disputing the account of background probes on twitter. a pair of tweets from the committee account controlled by the republican majority reverence's kavanaugh's background checks say nothing where was there a whiff of any issue related to inappropriate sexual behavior or alcohol

abuse. committee democrats responded with a letter to the chairman writing while we are limited in what we can say about this background investigation there is information in the second post that is not accurate. what did we find about the six fbi background checks of judge kavanaugh? >> what's most important is what the six prior reports lack. and i am constrained by what i can say. as a general matter, fbi background checks will not go back prior to 18 years old. they focus on co-workers. >> why not the freshman class at yale? these people are all over the place hitting the tip box with all kinds of stuff.

nay still have failed to interview not probably as a result of self-imposed constraints but rather straight jacketing from the white house. and they need to talk to, for example, one of the witnesses that i put in touch with them who can tell them about possibly improper outreaches to key witnesses in the ramirez incident who were known to judge kavanaugh and potentially indicate that he knew about that new yorker story. >> is that illegal to go around new york talking about your misbehavior, your misconduct. is it illegal? is it witness tampering? >> under some circumstances it can be if there is anticipation of testimony under oath by those individuals in connection with some law enforcement proceeding

but put aside whether it's witness tampering those contacts indicate judge kavanaugh knew about ramirez before the "new yorker" article. >> professor, last word to you, i'm curious what i think everybody says implicitly where he stands on a life choice and that hot issue of roe v. wade but there's a concern about who will have the temperament to be a member of the supreme court. we look up to that even after what happened in 2000. let me ask you what can you tell about a guy who is in his mid-50s based upon his behavior even if it was outrageous in college? >> what we saw during the hearing was a person who trades in conspiracy theories. it would make it difficult for me to imagine that he could be objective when it came to a question before the court too

that looked at something that seemed democratic in his orientation. i want to be clear we have witnessed the diminishment of the office of the presidency. in my view the congress is broken and now we see the debasement of the supreme court. senate mcconnell is going to plow this through. he doesn't give a dam about dr. christine blasey ford, he doesn't care about deborah ramirez, he doesn't care about swetnick. they only want this appointment. it's a faustian bargain and democracy be dammed. >> this is an acrimonious person

seeking to potentially threaten revenge against the democrats is a profoundly important picture. >> thank you, senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, mimi rocah and eddie glaude. coming up, president trump hits back against the "new york times" after an investigation into his finances on the front page. trump seems most upset at how the article punctures the picture he's painted of himself as a self-made billionaire. plus, how's the kavanaugh effect motivating voters coming into the midterm elections and is the drawn out confirmation battle shifting some of the key senate races? we'll see that in a few minutes. and president trump went after dr. ford last night. it wasn't the first time he attacked the female accuser of prominent men, obviously. finally we finish tonight with trump watch. this is "hardball" where the action is. this i"hs ardball" where the action is. (burke) that's what we call a huge drag.

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>> reporter: can you explain what is inaccurate about that story? if there's anything that's actually inknaaccurate about it? >> i'm not going to sit and go through every line of a boring 14,000 word story. the only thing i will say one thing the article did get right was that it showed the

president's father had a great deal of confidence in him. in fact, the president brought his father into a lot of deals and made a lot of money together. so much so his father went on to say that everything he touched turned to gold. >> that was sarah huckabee turning any story to gold trying to refute the "new york times" investigative report on the source of trump's wealth. the story which took up a staggering eight pages in today's newspaper took over a year of research to get it done. trump attacked the report and the "times" on twitter calling it a hit piece. but according to the "times," the reporting makes clear that in every era of mr. trump's life, his finances were deeply intertwined with and dependent on dad's money. by their account, trump received the equivalent of up to $413 million from his father's real estate empire, that's $400 million over his lifetime. trump's long reliance on his family's fortune raises new questions about the image he has cultivated of himself. that of a successful real estate

developer who made billions from a loan of a million dollars. here he goes. >> i borrowed very little money from my father. my father gave me a small loan of a million dollars. my father gave me a very small loan in 1975. i built a company that's worth more than $10 billion with a million dollar loan. >> as for that loan, the "times" reports fred trump lent him $60 million or $140 million in today's dollars. with the lead editorial in today's "new york times," that puts it more bluntly calling trump's origin story a sham saying it's version of reality so elaborately embellished it qualifies as fan fiction more than biography. yet we've seen trump goes to great lengths to maintain the illusion of self-made billionaire. here's what trump said about those who question the value of his assets in 1995. >> the only critics that would say that are losers.

and people that know better or they don't know it all or they're jealous or have problems. >> and here's how trump reacted in 2016 when marco rubio challenged him on the source of his money. >> this is what we're going to have as president? >> here's a guy that inherited $200 million. you know where he would be right now? selling watches in manhattan. [ cheers and applause ] >> that is so wrong. we'll work on that. i took $1 million and i turned it into $10 billion. i borrowed $1 million. >> then release the tax returns so we can see how much money he makes. >> i borrowed $1 million and turned it into $10 billion. >> he doesn't make that much money. >> this is like groundhog day. here you have marco rubio that got blown away in the race saying i just want to see his tax returns. joining us is david corn and glenda blare is author of trump's three generations of builders. glenda, you start. what do you make of the story

that blew away the front page of the "times." the amount of detail and documentation, of paperwork and financial records. it points out the president didn't do what he claimed it did which is make himself into a tyco tycoon. he didn't do it. >> no. he didn't. the model, the m.o., the way of doing it, not so much. his father perfected the idea of figuring out the way around every rule, every law, every regulation and figuring out how to find a tiny corner that he could week around. he did in the his own career and he would turn to make -- to doing that for his son and the rest of his children, not a surprise. >> we hear the term born on third base and claimed he hit a homer but this guy looks like he was born sliding into home. how do you not make it when daddy gives you 400 big ones? $400 million.

that's not that long a way to a billion. >> well, a silver spoon, no, it was like a platinum spoon encrusted with diamonds. amazing, just amazing. >> last question on this round. why do you think he had to create -- if you're really rich and you have all this money and you're swagging around new york city and a big shot, why do you have to brag that you did it yourself? >> well, usually superrich billionaires are not exactly the kind of middle american joe six pack target they were looking for. they're not necessarily looking friendly towards that plutocrat. >> well before he was doing this he was selling himself in the comic books basically as a comic

strip hero downtown developer with a big trench coat on. >> you need a psychologist to get to that. there are two profound elements to this story of which i am highly jealous. he got loans that he didn't pay back and millions from his dad's empire. the other part of the story which is more troubling which is his family, including donald trump, used what seemed to be criminal medimethods to get money into their own pockets. >> tell me about the fraud. >> well, they set up one company that would buy boilers, say for $5,000 and this was a company

that was owned by the children, not fred trump but his company would pay -- would get $5,000 boilers but this this company which bought the boilers for trump would charge fred trump's company, say, $10,000. this is his typical padding. it's what the mob does. every crook does this. and that way you get $5,000 into the company and it's clean, not a gift, it gets around the tax laws for gifts and then over the years, millions of dollars float in through this illegal mechanism that trump was a party t to. >> >> why did the irs do this? >> well, the trump family valued their property at say, like, $5 million that was really worth $80 million and then they would

say we think you ought to add $2 million to that chl. they were so outrageous the irs could not keep up with this fraud. >> and how do we take his word on what he says about the federal government and macroeconomics. trump won't release his tax returns because he says they're under audit. watch this song. >> i will absolutely give my return but i'm being audited now for two or three years so i can't do it until the audit is finish. obviously. i'll release them when the audit is completed. my tax returns are very simple. they're under a minor audit, routine audit as they have been for many years, every year i get audited. at the appropriate timely but right now i'm under routine audit, nobody cares. the only one that cares about my tax returns are the reporters. >> reporter: you don't think the american public is concerned? >> i don't think so. i won. i became president. no, i don't think they care at all. >> here's what sarah sanders said today when asked about that

audit. >> reporter: are the president's taxes still under audit? >> i know a number. are. >> reporter: from the '90s and early 2000s? >> i'd have to check. i will you providing any tax returns? >> i'm not aware. >> she'll get back to us. i don't think so. i'm not sure we'll hear about tax returns. >> i don't think so. the only thing that surprised me about his run and really after writing about him for so long that he did it was that -- i knew he would never release his tax returns so i thought he wouldn't run for president. i didn't realize he could deflect attention from that and that enough of the public would somehow not find that a deal breaker and they didn't. >> very well said. i remember all these years a lot of us said he'll never take his clothes off financially. he'll never let us look at what's going on behind the scene. he's behind the curtain and

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welcome back to "hardball." with less than five weeks to the midterms, the allegations continue. the question is what impact will they have on the voters this november? republicans seem to be doubling down on their support for kavanaugh, can you believe it, starting with the president. >> they've been trying to destroy judge kavanaugh since the very first second he was announced because they know judge kavanaugh will follow the constitution as written. [ cheers and applause ] >> red state democrats like senator heidi heitkamp of north dakota and joy manchin of west virginia face a momentous choice, support this nominee, kavanaugh, or risk alienating voters. in what might be a concerning sign for some democrats, new quinnipiac poll numbers show a drop in support for democrats overall since earlier in the

month from a 14-point advantage down to seven. seven is precariously below the eight you need to take the house and npr found republican enthusiasm for the midterms have caught up for the democrats. in july 78% of democrats said the election was important to them personally, now it's up to 82% but republicans went from 68% to 80%. almost as excited as democrats. what is it about judge kavanaugh? for more i'm joined by howard fineman. what do you make of these numbers? >> i think the circumstances have turned brett kavanaugh into a proxy for donald trump. and it appears to republican voters who like donald trump that the president himself is under seem siege because the guy who is him in legal clothing is under attack. every number i've looked at in these races shows that the keys will be two groups, what's left is suburban swing-voting women

who may be turned off by brett kavanaugh in a way that can help the democrats versus what they themselves call the deplorables plus evangelical voters rushing to defend braett kavanaugh as te symbol of everything trump. >> people are watching saying what does anybody find admirable about a guy who may have assaulted a woman? . what is admirable about it? >> nothing. except for the fact in the eyes of the voters who are not more enthusiastic on the republican side that he is trump's guy. he's the trump vision on the court. donald trump has rolled like this before. this is how he ran for president. he lead theed the needle through electoral college by getting a massive turnout of his core supporters and that's what they're going for here and i've talked to senators who say the

one thing he's doing is try to put extra pressure on joe manchin and heidi hide camp. >> can you bottom line it? what's better for democrats? the guy kavanaugh is confirmed or not? what's better going into november. >> ironically enough both sides seem to think it's bad for them to lose but i think the democrats will have to hope that the likelihood of his confirmation will allow them to stoke their enthusiasm further. numbers show young voters will not turn out the way other democrats are, latinos are not going to turn out. this drama has gotten the democrats off their best mess e message -- jobs, minimum wage, education and support for education. all the things democrats wanted to run on they aren't able to

talk about. >> they have to remind people of why you're a democrat. >> you have to remind them and it's not just because you're against trump. >> great reporting, great bottom lining up. up next, president trump took the opportunity to mock kavanaugh -- his accuser dr. christine blasey ford but it's not the first time trump has attacked women who accuse men of abuse. you're watching "hardball." re w.

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i don't know. but i had one beer. that's the only thing i remember. >> something beyond human. that was president trump last night mocking the testimony of dr. christine blasey ford, the woman who who has accused judge brett kavanaugh of sexual assault. it's not the first time he's sided with men making those accusations. let's watch him take sides here. >> is he helping you? is he advising you? >> i don't want to comment but he's been a friend of mine for a long time and i can tell you that some of the women that are complaining, i know how much he's helped them. >> reporter: what did you say to him? >> he said strongly yesterday that he's innocent so we wish him well, did a good job when he was at the white house. >> personally i think he should haven't settled. >> reporter: how come? >> because he should have taken it all the way. i don't think bill would do anything wrong. right now i am being viciously attacked with lies and smears.

it's a phony deal. i have no idea who these women are. these women are horrible people. they're or shl, horrible liars. >> let's bring in ginger gibson, sofia nelson a former house gop committee counsel and joel payne a democratic strategist and senate leadership aid. how is it going and why is trump talking like this? how does it help him trash the victim? >> he's the one being wronged according to him. i often wondered how he'd get past that when he's in charge but he knows it resonates with his voters. look at them applauding and cheering while he mocks her testimony. it's because they're looking for someone, particularly the

president to tell them that they're allowed to disregard it. >> sophia, it seems like he never takes the side of the woman no matter what the case or the facts, he takes the side of bill o'reilly or anybody else, roger, anybody else. it's automatic. it must be politics here. >> i don't think it's politics. i think it's who donald trump is and i think it's what he believes. donald trump doesn't like women and i don't think -- >> how do you know that? >> look at the way he talks about them go. back to the rosie o'donnell comments saying she's not even a woman. go back to how he handled the ladies making accusations against him and of course the infamous tape that i can't repeat on air about what he wanted to grab. this is a man who sees women as objects. they're sex objects. he slept with a porn star. i totally believe stormy daniels and the playmate. >> i don't want to quibble, but it was a porn star. that's true. >> he seems women where men

could swat you on the behind, do what they wanted and women were silent. they were silenced and he doesn't understand why all these women are saying this ugly stuff and why we're running our mouths and talking. he doesn't like it. that's who he is. >> h he's that old, huh? >> he is. >> let me go to joel. >> there's two things going on -- >> i'm not sure age protects him. >> i don't think the president can look at this without seeing himself. it's like he's looking in a fun house mirror but a mirror nonetheless. i think when he sees brett kavanaugh being accused of this, he says, well, people allegedly -- >> why are did he hesitate for at least three or four days where he was being gentle and said let's listen to hear, hear what she has to say. did he get poll data? >> that's why republicans wanted to push this through because they didn't think they could hold him back long enough but the other point -- >> our poll data that we got from quinnipiac says it's working for him. >> and the marist poll, too.

>> i think it's strategic. i think the president see this is as a midterm advantage because think about it. the only group of voters with him on kavanaugh are male voters. every other group women, minorities, latinos, blacks. i think he's throng that crowd with his tong. >> he needs to rally his group and we know the white house they plan to have an aggressive schedule of him trying to rally his troops. the president has long said that what worked for him before he's going to try it again. i think we're seeing that now. it worked for him demeaning people and insulting people. we were aghast two years ago how could he they? he'll never win if he says that. and he thinks that that recipe works and why change the recipe if it's been working. >> the only thing left for her is the nickname. >> who? >> yeah, i hope he doesn't go there. >> finally nbc news is reporting

that more than 40 people with potential information into the sexual misconduct allegations against supreme court judge nominee brett kavanaugh have not been connected. what do you make of this, joel? they're not talking to the people that want to talk to them. >> i'm more worried about the right people. how are you not talking to brett kavanaugh, dr. ford, other key witnesses? the numbers are relevant. it's about getting the right people. if republicans want this to be taken seriously as a serious bit of analysis, they have to get the right people in the room and i'm not convinced that mcconnell or trump or any of those republicans care about that. >> can i say something quickly, chris? at this point this should not be about for all of us here regardless of party about whether or not 40 witnesses are being talked to. this is brett kavanaugh's display of poor judicial temperament. that's what ends this for him. i don't care what he got drunk in college, to be candid. i care about the way he spoke to

a co-equal branch of government and said they were working on behalf of the clintons. we v you can't have a supreme court justice that talks like that and that will be that partisan. it's no good. it doesn't work. >> you think clintons are working that hard right now? >> i think there are some that think this is truly political. >> political by who? >> by the organizations that are -- >> well, there's certainly ideology at play, no doubt. but not on the facts. >> they think the left thinks oh, we're grinding them down, they have to realize that no, they're digging them in and it's going to cease to be any debate of facts and cease to be a conversation about what happened. >> the first tuesday after the first monday in november, how is this going to hurt or help? is it going to help or hurt the democrats if this guy is confirmed? who does that help? >> i think that there are going to be women across the country who will be angry they feel like voices were not listened.

>> ignore that. >> but i think it will also be conservatives who are telling the white house that they have to have this vote otherwise they won't be pleased. >> so they have to have the vote? >> i think both sides have to have one. >> round table is sticking with us. up next, these three will tell me something i don't know. we're moving right along. you're watching "hardball." sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege. we're the baker's and we're usaa members for life. usaa. get your insurance quote today.

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out young people. they have enrolled thousands more volunteers than they planned to. and that could be a real impact on these elections. something to be watching. >> everybody get your flu shot. did you know last year, chris, the flu broke records here in america? the cdc said the biggest numbers ever for deaths in 2017 and 2018. so everybody, please get your flu shot. it's serious. >> okay. >> for me, there's a new book out, four color girls who have considered politics, two of the authors, two people i worked with on the hillary campaign. something else too. minority voters will be critical in the midterms. from what i'm hearing, people at the top of the party, not impressed with the minority voter outreach, hurt us in 2016. >> where did you get that voice? >> i try. >> that is really good. anyway, not kidding, not knocking your intelligence, but you also have a fantastic voice. when we return, i'll finish tonight with trump watch.

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trump watch, wednesday, october 3rd, 2018, remember how you felt last week when dr. christine blasey ford testified before the senate judiciary committee about her most

poignant memory of that night. >> indelible in the hipaa campus is the laughter. the uproarious laughter between the two and their having fun at my expense. >> you never have forgotten that laughter, you've never forgotten them laughing at you? >> they were laughing with each other. >> well, last night another night in the life of dr. ford this time in south haven, mississippi there was another person laughing at her, and what she'd gone through. it really tore the house down. >> i had one beer. right? i had one beer. well, you think it was -- nope, it was one beer. oh, good. how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? i don't remember. where is the place? i don't remember. how many years ago was it? i don't know, i don't know.

i don't know. i don't know. >> you killed it, mr. president. and i'm sure she can still hear the laughter. and that's "hardball" for now. thanks for being with us. "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. tonight on "all in." >> upstairs, down stairs, where was it? i don't know. but i had one beer. >> the white house defends the indefensible as the senate braces for the fbi findings. >> the president was stating facts. >> tonight will the president's attack on dr. ford cost him kavanaugh votes? >> the president's comments were just plain wrong. >> i don't approve of the comments from last night. i thought that they were wrong and extraordinarily unfortunate. >> then the trump world pushback on the trump family's "outright fraud" reported by