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i don't know! what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where was the house? i don't know. upstairs, downstairs, where was it? i don't know but i had one beer, that's the only thing i remember. >> good morning. welcome to "am joy" live from washington, d.c. we are now 31 days until election day and hours from the final confirmation mote f fifir brett kavanaugh to the u.s. supreme court. there was a message delivered to the american women, no testimony, no matter how credible, in short nothing will stay in the way of the ambitions of a powerful, conservative man. no matter what emerged they fully intend to place on the supreme court a nominee accused of lying to congress repeatedly and who stands credibly accused of sexual assault. dr. christine blasey ford also made history by coming forward
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to testify that kavanaugh sexually assaulted her in the early 1980s. the accusations sparked a chaotic confirmation process that included more accusers coming forward and dozens of potential witnesses that were not interviewed that some are calling a sham fbi investigation designed to provide cover to republicans like senator susan collins who announced on friday that she will vote in lockstep with her party to confirm kavanaugh to the court. she'll be joined by one democrat, joe manchin of west virginia, who now adds his name to the history books as having affirmed mitch mcconnell's strategy of packing the courts with conservative judges, shredding any pretense of the civility in the senate in an exercise of raw, partisan power and doing the bidding of br
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president trump who mocks sexual assault victims at his rallies. >> when the noise fades, when the uncorroborated mud washes away, what's left is the distipg wi distinguished nominee who stands before us. >> the shameful tactics that have been employed as part of a smear campaign. >> you humiliated this guy enough. >> why aren't you brave enough to talk to us and exchange with us? don't you wave your hand at me. i wave my hand at you. >> when you grow up i'll be glad to talk. >> when i grow up! how dare you talk to women that way! how dare you! how dare you! how dare you! >> ma'am, you cannot hold the door. ma'am, you will get arrested. >> joining me is tiffany cross,
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and my other guests. tiffany, it struck me this week that this was the week, we found out that every republican is donald trump. brett kavanaugh is donald trump. theties herrhysterics, he was cg his best donald trump. then one by one each member of the republican senate did the same thing, disparaging the victim, disparaging women. i think at one point orrin hatch telling sexual assault survivors confronting him to grow up. they're all donald trump. >> for people who think there's a moderate wing of the republican party, you hear people say we're going after those swing voters there is no such person. nothing will penetrate this layer of willful ignorance from donald trump's hard core base. the gop knows how to manipulate the base and change the course of a narrative. instead of talking about the actual sexual assault that happened to dr. ford, they
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changed the narrative to make white men the aggrieved party in this country. how awful has america been and is currently being to these white men who are suffering from this. so when he presented himself as an aggrieved father and husband, people related to that. they hooked on to that story line line and sinker which runs contrary to facts and evidence which people in the base, the republican base have an allergy too. even now, when you see the headlines coming off of this week, trump momentous week. this is a week where the president mocked a survivor of sexual assault. that he benefited from outright tax fraud from his family. he said on the national stage he fell in love with kim jong-un, a dictator who kills members of his own family, yet the headline is he celebrates this momentous week, his base will believe that
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and celebrate that. they have a chorus echoing those falsehoods. we're seeing that play out. >> let's listen to lindsey graham. donald trump's narrative this week about himself is that he is a victim. that everyone is out to get him. his enemies need to suffer because of it. his base feeds into that. the enemies are immigrants, muslims, whoever at the time they are aggrieved about. that's who the republican party is now. donald trump is not different from them. this is lindsey graham, he made it plain, here is lindsey graham this week on september 28th talking about what makes him an aggrieved party in america. >> i know i am a single white male from south carolina, i'm how old is i should shut up, but i will not shut up if that's okay. >> there you go. that's revved up the republican base that narrative. >> that's ultimately the fear they had about the beauty of diversity. they made it a negative versus
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an asset. the idea that you can have multiple voices at a table and lead to better business decisions is not something they're willing to be open to. ultimately the judiciary committee has been led not just by men who look a certain way but they're from a particular era. orrin hatch was in his 60s when he sat through the anita hill hearings. a lot has changed in the last 25 years of how we expect men and women to be relating to each other in the workplace. orrin hatch has not changed. chuck grassley was asked earlier this morning about why there weren't enough women senators on the judiciary committee, and his chance was they might not want to do the work. >> let's listen to chuck grassley. this was on friday, he was asked why there are no women on the republican side of the senate judiciary committee. here he is. >> do you have the sense now that you want to see a woman on the committee on the republican side? >> we can't do anything about that. you have to have a desire to serve. >> they don't want to be on the
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committee? >> it's a lot of work. don't forget, compared to a lot of committee meetings, we have -- we have an executive every thursday. so, it's a lot of work. maybe they don't want to do it. >> what year is it? what era is it? what decade is it? going to the rupert murdoch "wall street journal" he walks it back saying we did not mean to clarify that women can't complete the work. >> i think that's exactly what he meant to say, some smart younger staffer was like that's not going to play well. fix that up. they may be representative of a certain population in their state, right, chuck grassley is from iowa. if you change the voting population in the state you can change who is representing that state. but they are not representing the broader cu ee eer cultural
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america. >> let's talk about susan collins. susan collins and jeff flake have gotten ink from the media about being mavericky and independent. i don't think that's true if you look at their voting records. they do sad treats, and on the floor of the senate they say they don't like his manners, but they like him because they vote for him. now you have susan collins on friday, this is her attempting to in a 40-minute speech empathize with the me too movement. >> men or woman who makes a charge of sexual assault deserves to be heard and treated with respect. the me too movement is real. it matters. it is needed. it is long overdue. >> yes, this is also susan collins saying dr. ford is either lying about her claims or the little lady was mistaken. here she is.
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>> four witnesses she named could not corroborate any of the events. none of them called her the next day or ever to ask why she left? not a single person has come forward to say that they were the one who drove her home. >> well, what she's trying to do is she recognizes that choice has been very important to her base up in main. she was basically saying i'm pro woman, but you can't have this conversation and not actually interview all the witnesses that have come forward. so it's a complete sham. i think what we're seeing is something on the political angle is that you have this new growing vision of what america looks like, but they're living in the south. the midwest is aging out and living in a different type of america. they're really struggling with it. the republican party instead of being leaders and saying this is how we bring america forward,
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they basically choose a president who is basically the poster boy of the white man aggrieved, even though he has nothing to be aggrieved of. he was raised with a silver spoon in his mouth. he inherited close to $4 million, and the republican party is not curious at all. the fact they're laying this vote solely on the feet of flake and susan collins is amazing. heller has a really contested race in nevada that he can lose because you have a growing latino population, a growing young population who does not believe what's happening is fair and just. >> tim scott is an african-american man in america, he should have been -- no one was talking about whether or not he needed to make a decision. other women are republicans in iowa and other states. why is it only on jeff flake who is leaving and susan collins? it is a good point. i want to talk about what move on is doing. before we get to that, susan
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collins went along with mitch mcconnell's goal of not allow g ing president obama to put anyone on the supreme court. she also took the other side. she's now talking about due process. 40 minutes of why we need to give due process rights to an elite guy like kavanaugh, but this was her reasoning for due process and al franken. >> i did find the allegations against him to be credible, disgusting and appalling and degrading to women. >> can we remind people that senator al franken was accused of doing that photo, that ridiculous photo and some other women said he hugged them too tightly when taking photos. kavanaugh is accused of sexual assault. but senator collins found the allegations against senator franken totally credible, but she can't find any credibility whatsoever in what dr. ford had to say. >> right. >> your thoughts.
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>> i actually believe that susan collins always was going to vote for brett kavanaugh. >> agreed. >> i don't think there was a situation where she was not going to. there were reports that one of the reasons brett kavanaugh was chosen is because she had okayed it, so they moved forward with brett kavanaugh. so i -- i think that she -- in some ways, yes, she got played, but she was there all along. >> yeah. >> we did everything that we could with other allies to make sure we tried to hold her accountable, she was always there. she was looking for cover. so that's what the republicans and mitch mcconnell gave her. in that staging of the two republican -- >> the silent women behind her. it's totally staged. that's a whole mitch mcconnell thing. he gave her the floor, she was going to end the conversation there, have the woman do it, talk for 40 minutes. but i just don't believe that
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she was ever going to vote no. >> she had a 45-minute speech ready to go. >> yes. >> 45-minute speech it was staged. >> i think this is also the party that let the violence against women act expire. when we say what are the contrasts, where are the contrast between the republican and democratic party, the republican party has no regard for women and their ability to feel safe at a basic level. >> and also that women don't have the right to ask for it. even women of the republican party say we're worried about our elite, collegiate sons, but not our daughters. >> that's been the most amazing talking point. even kavanaugh said if you have a son -- if you look at the way lindsey graham is talking about it, they're phrasing it to get women to say my son could also make a mistake at 17 this is just not fair. this is a longer-term failure of the democratic party not focusing on the judiciary,
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something to educate their base on and the impact it will have long-term. even though the judiciary has been responsible for many of the gains in the democratic party. civil rights act was because of legislation, overturning various supreme court decisions. but republicans for a long time rallied their base around federal judges. supreme court judges and making local elections matter and connecting it to the supreme court. there's a ton of money they put behind it. now democrats, this is our awakening moment. >> they've done it for decades. >> right now they're stacking the courts with younger, inexperienced judges, but that share their ideology. >> that's why donald trump won because of the courts. >> if you think about it, the republicans think long-term, they think decades down the road. >> they do. >> even putting aside presidential power, they want cultural power. they want the courts for 40 years. democrats are so fixated on the
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white house for four. >> and gerrymandering, that's a huge case that will be on the docket next cycle. this is something that the republicans are anticipating, this is somebody who can control the maps. you can take away the sexual assault charge and look at his record on race. he made jokes about asian women in his e-mails. he's been vehemently against affirmative action. you can look at his partisan temper tantrum he threw and say this is not somebody qualified to serve on the lhighest court f the land. >> and justin roberting took is and gutted the voting rights act. judge kavanaugh wrote a speech saying i am a republican partisan. he will be on the supreme court. you guys can't see, we have a
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since the very first second he was announced. but all you have to do is look at polls over the last three, four days and it shows that their rage-fueled resistance is starting to backfire at a level that nobody has ever seen before. >> donald trump has used the kavanaugh confirmation battle to rev up his base but the political repercussions of confirming kavanaugh are unknown. we don't know if that will fuel republicans right up to election dau day or if women will decide revenge is best served at the ballot box. a thanks to my guests for being here. these are the democrats who
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voted who are in red states, states trump won who voted against kavanaugh. joe donnelly in indiana doug jones of alabama, claire mccaskill of missouri, john tester, hide by heitkamp, bill nelson of florida. only joe manchin was a yes from west virginia. do you believe that republicans now have a chance to pick off some of those seats as a result of the kavanaugh nomination? >> i do. the fear we had on the business side of the republican politics and campaigns elections was that our electorate was a little bit flat, not that they were unexcited but history shows you that there's a 20% drop between a presidential election and an election in the midterms. so i think what it's done is told the base your vote does matter, and it's made them politically aware. the problem we have is 30-something days to an election cycle is a lifetime in politics.
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how do you keep it up? the democratic base was already energized. they didn't like donald trump. what you're seeing here is some of the reverse could happen to the republican party. we were able to gain 1400 legislative seats all over the country, usually in the midterms you will catch about 375 seats. so the ramifications of this 2018 midterms goes much lower than a lot of people are talking about. and then it comes into the redistricting maps, the governor's races has. it been a help to the republican base and the republican party? right now it is. numbers are moving up, voters are aware and motivated. 30 days is a long time in this business. >> cornell, you now have -- let's think about more endangered democrats. claire mccaskill, every time she comes up for re-election, she's at 45.6 versus josh hawley at
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46. three senate races have now been shifted towards republicans because of what we've seen this week. that would be tester, the nebraska and flnew jersey races they are shifting. can the republicans sustain that kind of a sugar high for 30 days? >> our last guest did make a valid point, there's a tremendous drop off from presidential to midterm. but what's in the details is most of that drop off is among democrats. so there's anywhere from a 15% to 16% drop off from 65 plus performan performing dem precints versus 65 plus republican precincts. our problem is there is a different electorate in an off year. if it's 2010 or 2014, democrats won't have a good year.
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if it's 2012, it's a good year. so it's not a bad thing for democrats, because they had to catch up with democrats, usually the democratic enthusiasm is so far behind republicans. so this is the year where we had enthusiasms measuring each other, but they don't have enough people. >> what do you mean they don't have enough people? >> if you look at the partisanship, the republican party has been shrinking as partisan identification largely law of trump. if you look at the independents and democrats, republicans don't have -- they're not an expanding party. >> right. but they showed, jason, they could still win being a party getting down to basically white voters, including some white college educated voters. the congressional ballot now has democrats 48.5, republicans 41.3. the big factor has been whether educated white women would shift over towards the democratic party, thus far they really haven't. so you have 58% of college educated white women saying the
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senate should reject kavanaugh's nomination. i have yet to see that translate into white female voters voting for democrats, but anything could happen. >> it probably won't. there's a bit of history to pay attention to. everybody talked this week about clarence thomas and anita hill, that was 13 months before the election. this is four weeks. people will still be angry in four weeks. i think there's an enthusiasm level here. there's been a change. all these people out marching, registering to vote. i also think this. i talked about this with georgia and brian kemp, you have republicans who have taken a stand on an issue that doesn't have anything to do with them. if you come up and say i support brett kavanaugh, you're running for attorney general, all you did is put something around your neck. you don't have anything to do with it. i think this will be sustainable. are republicans more excited? yeah. but after you win the super bowl, you get drunk, go to sleep and forget the next day. they'll win today and be done in
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a month. >> tiffany, one thing a friend of palestine wmine who is a whi democratic woman from the south, which is a rarity at this point but she is, there's a concern that white college educated women who were not paying that much attention are enthusiastic about voting is saying my son is at an elite university and is kavanaugh and that will drive them back into that camp. >> that is a possibility andpros why candidates need to focus on people of color. claire mccaskill tried to have people sign on to a letter to support her, congressman emanuel cleaver declined to sign on to that letter. susan collins when she gave that smee speech on the floor, she raised over $3 million, $50,000 which
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happen happened while she was giving that speech to an opponent, but there is no opponent. lisa murkowski knows native alaskans, they make up more than 15% of the base in alaska, she can't afford to lose them. we talked about tim scott wanting to run for governor of south carolina. a whole lot of black people in south carolina will look at this supreme court nominee's record on race and will now look at him sideways because he voted for him. andrew jans is trying to unseat, and he is trying to get a win.
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when we talk about a huge effort, we have to talk about these white college educated women, there's been all these panels across different networks, tell us how you feel. i don't remember this enthusiasm with obama voters. there was a weird obsession with why these women like trump. we need to focus on the hard core base who have been with the party a long time. >> there's almost 40% of african-american women, no college, under age 50, are not familiar with either candidate running for congress in their district. >> wow. if we don't have a blue wave it's because we're not doing the work we need to be doing with millennials and people -- >> and black rural voters who are being left on the table because democrats are not going out there and registering them
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to vote. >> there's a lot of black people in rural america, but rural america is not monolithic. >> and they're not getting polled. >> the pollsters don't want to hear it. >> that's what you saw happen in alabama, that's what you have happening right now with stacy abra abrams, when these voters are activated, the republicans have not even paid that much attention to them. so these people can go out and move. the electorate will be browner than pollsters know. >> i want to say quickly latino voters are also widely ignored. >> lightning round, then we have to go. does the kavanaugh nomination help democrats more or republicans more? >> republicans. >> jason? >> republicans. >> i'm not sure. >> i say democrats. >> all right. we have our poll. thank you very much. we'll have to have you guys come back again and again and again.
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>> because you humiliated this guy enough. there seems to be no bottom for some of you. >> if he would take a polygraph it would all be over. >> let's dunk him in the water and see if he floats. >> how did lindsey graham go from fierce donald trump critic to one of his defenders? graham said he really doesn't care what people say about his turnaround. he said better to have someone the president have someone to
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make sure he trusts enough to listen when he talks sense. someone to make sure he nominates judge kavanaugh instead of judge judy. ej, during the break you were saying people who think lindsey graham changed, don't remember lindsey graham. >> lindsey graham has fwon through stagone through stages in his life. he was an impeachment manager during the clinton impeachment, which many people saw was a partisan thing to do. in 2000 he supported john mccain in that vicious primary. he and mark sanchez stood out down there, and then began the long period of lindsey, john mccain and joe lieberman. that's the lindsey graham that is in peoples heads, particularly journalists heads. but he was always a conservative. a funny thing happened to his friend mark sanford, which is sanford lost a primary because he was oppositional to trump.
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and early on in the trump years, there was polling in south carolina which showed that if lindsey graham continued toen a to be anti trump, he could suffer the same fate as mark sanford. he decided to do that. the last thing is a judicial nomination is one thing that unites the republican party, from the trump wing to the business wing. >> even some never-trumpers. >> yeah. so going crazy on this, it looks crazy to us, some of the things he said are outrageous, but it doesn't hurt him in the republican party. >> this probably helps him in south carolina in 2020 when he's up for re-election. it made him a hero to the trump base, where at one point he was not so much. >> i -- lindsey graham and i are great friends for over 20 years. he's a wonderful politician, better than that a good tactician, but lindsey graham doesn't lay awake worrying about his elections in 2020 in south carolina.
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in 2005 he was a member of the gang of 14 that stood up against changing the rules in the united states senate to move the filibuster away from 60. he took a lashing in south carolina for that from republicans. in 2013 he stood up on the senate floor and november 21, 2013 is when all of this started. that's when harry reid changed the rules, removed the filibuster, that's what lindsey graham said would change the pace and the tone of the senate forever. in opposition of changing those rules both times. he has standing in south carolina. he drew opposition both times for those stances, now what lindsey graham has said has come true. we are completely in a partisan country in washington, everybody who hates washington just remembered why they hate washington last week. and so everybody deference, lindsey graham is a wonderful senator and is a wonderful
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patriot. and he like all the senators will play ball with the president. they will play ball with the president because it's good for our state. >> let me remind the audience that the reason that senator harry reid had to change the -- or decided he needed to change the filibuster rule is that mitch mcconnell -- i don't think anyone who relishes wielding pure partisan power and just basically making the opposition nonexistent more than mitch mark cona mcconnell. mitch mcconnell decided that they would filibuster every judge that president obama put up. he declared that only republicans will seat judges, not democrats. >> harry reid did not change the filibuster rule for supreme court nominees, that was mitch mccon wlkoconnell who did that. to say one led to the other is an alibi because mitch mcconnell changed this rule. >> isn't that the case, katon?
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the republican party under mitch mcconnell decided they would not permit barack obama to seat any federal judges. they fully busfilibustered ever. >> you have to give it both ways, not just one way. there were over 80 judges for george w. bush, two of those were my friends who could not get confirmation hearings. >> jason, the reality is that everyone argues back and forth. i think ej is right, the media fell in love with this idea there is always a good guy republican. they just pick someone, jeff flake one day, susan collins, lindsey graham. they're all just conservative republicans. >> they're just politicians. it's no big difference. it's diet coke and regular coke, it's the same guy. lindsey graham, when he gave his speech, they should have just
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given a slow clap. it was nonsense. everything lap is indsey graham doing is what every poll signals does when a president is in office. he is also close friends with jeff sessions. >> he would take his job, i think -- >> that's what this is about. i'm fairly sure lindsey graham probably talks to jeff sessions, he says when you get fired, i'll try to take your job, you'll be the first phone call i make. all of this is kissing up to the president which is amazing to to me because if mitt romney or chris christie have shown us, kissing up to trump doesn't work, he'll still play you. >> i think the thing we have to explain, and i'd be curious how katon does this, he has changed his tune completely on donald trump. in other words, we're not talking here about somebody who was mildly critical of trump and then moved to be mildly favorable. he went from being a really
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tough, tough critic of trump all the way over to somebody who is virtually down the line with donald trump. >> yeah. >> that's what is -- why everyone is sort of saying how did he do this? it's very hard not to look at the polling in south carolina as part of this and, yeah, maybe he does want another office. but this is a very sharp change in the guy. >> how do you explain that? >> first of all, lindsey graham's main reason for running for president of the united states against donald trump and 15 other people was to make sure that the military funding and the military was not left behind, and lindsey graham was one of the foremost experts on national and international policy. so lindsey will put himself at the table and not on the table to be cut up in any political conversation. he will continue to do business with the democrats. he always has. he believes in the body. he is a pretty good statesman. so whether the president would have been hillary clinton or whether the president was going
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to be donald trump, lindsey graham was going to get along with them because it's to his benefit and our benefit. >> maybe if it's not barack obama. maybe i'm wrong. thank you very much. in our next hour, he became a macarthur fellow while being arrested. bishop dr. william barber will join us to talk kavanaugh, republicans and the nation's moral core. but up next "art of the deal" author tony schwartz. stay with us. y schwartz stay with us
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well, i will say it is a scary time for young men in america when you can be guilty of something you may not be guilty of. this is a very difficult time. >> a nationwide out pouring grief and trauma. the only people that donald trump can sympathize of are men that reminds him of himself. >> joining me coauthor of "the art of the deal." >> i want to play you that moment that was so horrifying that donald trump mocked dr. christine blasey ford.
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>> how did you get home? i don't remember. how did you get there? where was the place? i don't know. how many years ago was it? i don't know. what neighborhood was it in? i don't know. where is the house? i don't know. upstairs and downstairs? i don't know but i had one beer, that's all i remember. >> that footage was played over and over again in washington republicans center. >> i think it is disgusting. i think it is really sad and i wish you had not played it again. i wish the media have not played it over and over again because it is full of viciousness and it is just, it is ugly. we are in a national emergency, we got less than 30 days where i
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think we have an opportunity to step forward. it is morning in america, not the ronald reagan kind. we can't mourn for long what's happening for kavanaugh because otherwise you fall into depression and that's wh what - those of us who still have a passion for a different kind of america have to step out and vote. it is easy to go on twitter and complain and say this is awful and ring your hands and it is easy for me to come on tv and talk about it. what matters is not only will you vote but that's the chance we have but will you get someone else to vote. will you go or get on the phone or will you go into the beauty parlor or your grocery stores and find someone that did not vote in the last election, get them to vote.
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we put up a website call ed on m onemorevote.us which is a way to get people to vote. we encouraged people put videos of someone else that they're going to bring to vote. we put up a video and mark hamels and luke sky walker, we need to be in action right now. >> and you know tony, i think it is a valid point. we play too much trump in the media and give him too much attention that he craves. those importance of those videos is not trump. it is the people around him. i notice the crowd when i watch donald trump. a terrific piece in the atlantic when he talks about when you go back and look at lynching photos, instead of looking at the body but the crowd and look at how the people are smiling and at an event that's horrific.
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this is a little clip of that. the title of his piece is "the cruelty is the point." the rhetoric before his supporters are connected. it is not just the peper -- i t of americans you know you can talk about donald trump all you want. he has people who enjoy the cruelty, actually laughs at it and a lot of americans they forget that. they focus on him. >> listen, there are two sides to every human being. there is a primitive side and a side that's all about survival and about feeling safe and there is a side that's a higher side that's a potential. it is also something that are people no matter who they are and i include the trump's supporter in this. they're not bad. the worse instincts in them are
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being aroused this time and in response to their own interfeeling of hopelessness and helplessness and weakness. i want to feel better than you because most of the time i feel worse. guess what, only a tiny number of people are getting all the spoils right now. str trump is one of them and he's sharing it with a small group of people and mostly white and older men. the rest of the population are getting bread crumbs. that includes all those people are sitting behind trump when he makes talks like that. he's not giving them anything. he created a tax bill that's going to end up taking away from them. he fought obamacare that's going to take away their healthcare. he's got them mesmerized and we have to fight back. if the democrats, if the house can flip and especially if the senate can flip, either one now
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there is a true, there is a true block and resistance that can have some impact and effect in creating more of a balance to relationships, we got a government that all three parts of it are incredibly far to the right. it is a fight, joy, you can see that i am angry about it. angry is not enough. we have to be in action. we got a government that's in regret. we got a country that's in regression when what we need is evolution. we need to go from me, me, me to we, we, we. we need to be integrated together because the in equality is the source of the rage and the frustration everyon for the trump supporters and all of us. in equality grows out of
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preoccupation itself. >> tell us the name of the project. >> what we are asking for people to do is on onemorevote.us to upload a video with yourself with somebody you gone out to recruit to vote who did not vote last time because just a small number of votes of the last presidential election can make all the difference. >> tony schwartz, thank you very much. >> more "am joy" after the break.
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despite the turbulent fight of nomination, my vision is that kavanaugh will work to lessen divisions in the supreme court. so that public confidence in our judiciary and our highest court is restored. >> welcome back to "am joy." it is not all clear where susan collins gets that optimistic take after she and along the rest of you watched brett kavanaugh raged during his confirmation hearing. yet, we are just mere hours away from senate republicans and one democrat voting kavanaugh thr
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through the supreme court. his confirmation all but assured after collins announced and went on 40 minutes yesterday. she was joined by joe mansion who also said he'll vote yes. the protesters chanted shame on you. >> we are expecting the final vote to take place this afternoon. author of "in pure ser suit" an republican strategist.
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the new york times writes "the fbi review of kavanaugh was limited from the start. the white house could not legally order the fbi to discriminately through someone's life m life. is that true? could the fbi not order a thorough investigation? >> i heard senator collins used the word public confidence. this investigation that the fbi did was for the american public, for the president and for congress. everybody including the american public should have complete confidence in the results of the investigation of the fbi did. if that confidence is not there at every level, we have a real
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problem and the problem could be because the fbi was limited in terms of what is called scope and definitely limited in terms of time constraints. time con strastraints are not t problem of scope. the fbi is well equipped and trained and lodgigistical suppo. where ever agents are needed and technical support and logistical support, 300 agents could be brought in instantly. they work of the same level of the same support of supervisors and managers and executives. time constraints are not the problem of scope. scope is a severe problem. if the fbi is dictated to and at fear that the independence is
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jeopardized. >> nbc news reporting that kavanaugh's classmates who wanted to come forward who were ignored and the fbi did not contact them. there is one message in particular that kaf fvanaugh attempted to interfere with messages. as early as july, the same month that dr. ford came forward was trying to get in touch with his former classmates in order to craft a narrative of his interaction of the second accuser? >> should that have been investigated? >> it should have been investigated by the fbi and the fact that american citizens have called the fbi and were not acknowledged apparently and not interviewed. that's a real, real problem. that goes to the issue of whatst ca whatst -- what's called scope. there were some limitations placed by the fbi efforts by
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whomever. any american who calls the fbi for any time for any reason to be interviewed, deserves the courtesy and professionalism of acknowledgment to interview. >> paul, let me listen you to the attorney of dr. ford who essentially, they spoke to our nbc kasie hunt, this is what they said. >> there was no effort to leak this letter and have this unfolded. that's an absolute falsehood. >> we keep on hearing there is no corroborating witnesses who have not been interviewed or talked to. those witnesses say several years ago well before brett kavanaugh was considered for the supreme court, she told me he sexually assaulted her. >> they cherry picked. >> this was not a prosecution, it is a job interview, the fbi was just declining to interview
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people who wanted to come forward. >> the fix was in from the beginning from senator flake and coombs, they did not need to be specific of the scope of the investigation. the problem is the all-white, all male republicans on the judiciary committee are not jept gentlemen. they are thugs. it was never about time. the fbi had 35,000 employees and a budget of $9 billion. so they could have interviewed those witnesses who provided corroborating information. they could have put dr. ford in her car and driven to the scene of the incident and they could strap a polygraph on judge kavanaugh, they did not twoowan do that because the fix was in. a real investigation would have exposed at best that judge
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kavanaugh when he was a teenager was an aggressive mean drunk and he committed perjury before the senate and he sexually assaulted a woman. >> did jeff flake played everyone here? he came forward made it sound like he caused the investigation, there was no investigation. >> i don't know what jeff flake's motives are. i know he's leaving the senate and duress and he has not been in the favor of the president. how this plays out for him politically. >> i bet he is now. >> that'll be a brief moment. he's on the way out and we are replacing him with another republican, we hope wech, we'll how it works out. he played his hands out and got what he supposedly wanted and that was a week extra and reminding everybody that this thing was held for senator feinstein for weeks and weeks. the democrats on the committee
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played this thing wrong. they slouhould have started thi way earlier than they did. they thought in the back room of the senate where they were high fiving, they had something that it is going to stop the nominee, it really fired. i can't tell you what would have happened to number two or three or four if the president would have nominated them. as barack obama told us elections have consequence as a donald trump won and he's going get the second supreme court court. >> does not matter who is president, i don't think anyone would forget that. i want to go to corrin, feinstein did have this in july of the same month brett kavanaugh was trying to get in touch with witnesses about the second accuser, debbie ramirez.
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diane feinstein would have been better for her to use it in the summer. >> i talked about this in your show and i do, i wish she had brought it up sooner. and maybe talking publicly but giving it to the fbi, ask the question when they were questioning him behind closed doors and it never came up. i do wish that it had happened soon sooner. to defend feinstein a little bit, dr. ford addressed, she feels that feinstein treated her the way she asked her to keep it quiet. she could have given it to the fbi. it is disappointing. >> ellie, the washington post reports and the american bar association is reevaluating kavanaugh. this is not over. in theory if dr. ford, montgomery county da's says are open to it. does that drag down the supreme
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court itself? >> these cultural elites are acting way too little and way too late. diane feinstein, i refuse to accept the argument that diane feinstein should have violated this woman's conference just so that jeff flake can grow a spine. the fbi investigation was ordered by a man who was accused of sexual harassment by 19 different women. it was run by rosenstein and the fbi's director of one o f the yale law school that brought brett kavanaugh in the first place. there were never going to be a reasonable investigation. it is like asking kanye west to investigate a library. information all around and he would not come out with anything. why did we need the investigation? most of what we know of brett kavanaugh, we knew back then. we knew he's a partisan hacked.
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we knew that from his resume. he knew he's a liar, he lied in front of congress 2004 and 2008. we knew he lied about sexual allegation, he lied about what he knew about his friends and mentor. we needed republicans to have e decency and that's what they never had. i am going to read a statement from ramirez. it did not matt erp wher what c, republicans were going to jam anyone that donald trump put on the court no matter what they found out about them. >> we'll put one of the four up and judge kavanaugh was the first one up and he's going on the supreme court today. >> is there no embarrassment in the party that this man was going to have a giant asteric on his name. you have the national churches coming out condemning on this nomination. is there no embarrassment that
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two out of five republicans ton court have credible accusation of sexual harassments or assaults on them. >> i would not say it is an embarrassment. it is a supreme court and it is a function of government, it is important for people in the base and that's the only people that's it is important to. >> they only care about the outcomes. >> it will come and it will go. i have never won the election, of course, i wish i could. this has gotten a different tune to it and there will be an asteric besides it for a while. >> where he's deciding things roe v. wade. let's go to debbie ramirez's statement. this came out today. it says the following. 35 years ago, the other student in the room chose to laugh and looked away. as i watched many of the senators speak and vote on the floor of the senate, i feel like
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i am right back at yale where half the room is laughing and looking away. it is u.s. senators who are deliberately ignoring their behavior, this is how victims are isolated in silence. i have corroborating witnesses speaking for me. there may be people with power looking the other way but there are millions more speaking up of personal experience of sexual violence and taking action to support survivors. this is allies standing together, thank you for hearing me and believing me. i am grateful for each and everyone of you, we will not be silent. debbie ramirez. >> i will go to you on that. it is a powerful statement, my heart goes out to her. i can't imagine what she's going through and other women that's triggered by this by the last ten days. i have been going to the protest here in d.c. and i spoke at a
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vigil on wednesday. people keep on talking about the energy and what's going on. i am seeing something that i have never seen before, the anger and the rage, and women when i went to this vigil, women after women came up and started telling their stories and they have never done it before and wanted to get it out there. women are incredibly angry. i don't think it is going to end today or tomorrow. i think it is going to go until november. in 1991, they talked about a year later there is a year of the woman and it is going to be the month of the women. >> absolutely not. i think it is time to stand up. we are not living in normal times. >> yeah. >> we can't act like we are. if you have senators who are democrats by the deed of the name only, that does not help us at you will. i think it is time to take us. >> let me bring justice kagan.
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this is how people view the supreme court. >> this is a divided time d part of the court's strengths and legitimacy depends on people not seeing the court in the way that people see the rest of governmegoverning structure of this country now. people think of the court as not politically divided or not an extension of politics but instead somehow above the fray. >> paul and ellie, citizens united and people see this as essentially an r&d court. >> exactly. the rest of the country learns that the supreme court is political and it protects the interests of the rich and powerful than it does of the weak and vulnerable. and so yes, the whole point of
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trump campaign, the reason why republicans are sticking with him despite all of his immor immoralities is about the supreme court. justice kavanaugh, if he serves as long as justice ginsburg, he'll be on the court until 2050. >> vulnerable people that you have in congress and white house and the supreme court, all aligned on one ideological side. >> this has been the republicans' plan for generations. great, we won that war. i don't have a straw. this is a time when progressives and liberals need to realize how important the supreme court is and look i am not here to talk about the past. jill stein voters, certainly going forward, if liberals are not voting single issues on the supreme court then they're not doing their job. >> thank you very much. paul and ellie and kari
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his performance during the hearings caused me to change my mind. he demonstrated a potential bias involving enough that he'll not be able to perform his duties. >> one of the many who believes that brett kavanaugh is unfit to serve at the highest court. paul and ellie is still with me. when president obama left office because mitch mcconnell says you will seat no supreme court justice and no one and only republicans will be allowed to do it. he got away with it. we are at a point where mitch mcconnell has said i will in total control. so what? >> too bad.
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the democrats lost this battle in 2014 when we did not backup obama. we lost it again in 2016 when we allowed donald trump fto be elected. now is time to ask democrats, what are they willing to do now. we have tried it the chris coombs way, i say we try to chicago way and burn it down. when it comes to 2020. at some point, some democrats are going to show up on my television and ask me for my vote and they'll not get it unless that democrat is able to tell me what their plans for court packing is. i got more own plans. i want to hear how they're going to restore linegitimacy to the supreme court. i refuse to look at survivors and victims of sexually assaults and tell them they just have to take it and sit there and have two of the five republican supreme court justices being
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accused from sexual harassment. >> we as republicans, it is ours. we have it and we'll do what we will and if you are a democrat, too bad. we own the court and here he is. >> one of my proudest moments is when i looked at barack obama in the eye and i said mr. president, you will not fill the supreme court's vacancy. >> that was the origin story of what mitch mcconnell were able to do this week. >> yes. brett kavanaugh is going to be the donald trump associated justice of the supreme court. these five far right wing conservatives on the court will do the president's bidding. they may preserve the appearance or they may not technically over rule roe v. wade but they'll put restrictions on providers that women will not be able to get
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the healthcare they want. they may not over rule the right of people to get married to who ever they love. they'll say if you don't want to serve those people, you don't have to. >> can we go through real quick, these are the moments for the democrats say the supreme court is essential lyanly an enemy to people. say what you want if you are rich. the supreme court majority where the republicans picked the president. killing key part of the vra and k kavanaugh's nomination. for republicans, they have a flip side which was rejecting robert bork. those are threats to religious liberties. the two sides believe the court is a threat, how could it be legitimate?
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>> the two sides believe the court is essential a threat but only one side acts like it. story time, right? on my way to work, there is a planned parenthood and everyday when i pass that planned parenthood, there is a lone woman out there protesting with a big pro-life sign on. i don't agree with her. sometimes i roll down the window and yell at her. the republicans have done this not because they are smarter or better or more of them, they are more committed on this issue. i have heard people on this network since susan collins did her speech, saying oh, we can't impeach kavanaugh. i don't care. i want him impeached. if democrats take back the house, i mpeachment. i want the democrats to blitz everyone down. that's what the republicans do. they do not do, they fight when they're going to lose or when
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the odds are in their favor and it is time for the democrats to show that same fight about these issues. if they don't, it is a generational change in terms o f the rights of women and gays and minorities. >> can we play because i think paul, it is on the issue of lgbt issues, i think it is actually bi brilliant over these hearings. he reminded people of the origin of the supreme court has become it has to do with money and dollars and cents. >> here is sheldon whitehouse. >> we go back to the supreme court far too dancing to the tune of a handful big republicans special interest that's funding the society that's now picking supreme court nominees, big big republicans
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special interest that's using the money that the supreme court gave them to mount campaigns for the nominees. people are catching on. the record of this is undeniable. as i said, it will be a disaster for the court. >> the super rich captures the court. >> yes, we can think citizens united where corporations have some of the same kinds of rights as human beings. they're protecting their own interests, brett kavanaugh if he's confirmed will be the poorest person on the supreme court. he's the only one who's not a millionaire. many of them are extremely wealthy and again, when we look at how they vote especially of the five republicans, what they do is preserved the interests of the rich and the white and the wealthy. the only kind of discrimination this new court will care about is alleged discrimination against straight, white men. >> how are we a democracy --ps
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this democracy -- this is a minority. the majority of people living in urban cities and who wants lgbtq, they're being told by a minority you may not have it ever. we'll keep the court forever and you will never be able to have it. the majority waon. >> the only cure is more democracy and more sunlight. this is where the media has to take responsibility, too. if we understand the supreme court is a political organization that it needs to be covered like a political organization, most people, most people watching the show who are relatively very informed people would not recognize john roberts if he's having a burrito next to him, right? that's partially the media's fault. you can't you know bother a supreme court or hold a supreme court justice accountable the way you can with your congressman or senator.
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there is no good reason anymore for the media not to be covering the supreme court and for everybody not to know who these people are and all the pressure points that was put on jeff flake to be put on john roberts of the next time he's about to do something. we need better coverage of this. that's not small democracy. that's part of the way to bring transparency to what these men and women are doing in secrets. >> people woke up this morning nervous and afraid. we are scared who really feel that their future is in jeopardy because the one sort of backstop have been the court that would protect you. i think a lot of people are worried that's not the case anymore. >> paul butler and ellie, thank you so much. >> the fight of kavanaugh may have ended in the senate but the protests have not ended. we'll talk about that next. >> i think his merit and
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thank you mr. president. >> senator collins please vote no. >> yeshame, shame, shame, shame. the resistance will be televised. protesters challenging senator collins as she announce her vote to confirm brett kavanaugh. and jeff sessions was the only democrat backing trump's supreme court nominee. the protests gained momentum throughout the week as kavanaugh inches closer for confirmation.
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at this hour, organizers and their partners are taking to kpl capitol hill kicking off a no seat, no justice at noon. >> joining me now is maria, one of the two confronted jeff flake prompting him to call the investigation of brett kavanaugh. it is so good to see you. >> a lot of people are upset. what you guys are doing is something different. you are stale taking action. why? >> we have to fight every fight until the last minute. what happens in the elevator with senator flake happened half an hour before he was going in and a few minutes before he was going into the hearing and we thought that the judiciary committee that we have lost. >> a done deal. >> what's happening at this moment is something incredibly
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beautiful. women of color are creating an opportunity for the country to show up and be different. we are doing it in a way that's extremely painful which are your stories and difficult to tell. together we are leaving a mirror for the country to look at itself. is this what we want to be. our politicians fail the test of these moments. they instead of being political leaders, they were politicians following the party boss, president trump, you know what? we deserve all of us, all of us deserve elected officials who understand that their roles are primarily to govern by listening. that's what's happening in the elevator and all the encounters with senators are people forcing connections and saying look at me. listen to my story, do not turn away. you have to make sure that you think about me and that you
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think of the people you love and we are in some ways a fight around kavanaugh is a fight for our lives. and a fight to change the culture that we have but it is a fight for our democracy. so what i want people to remember in this moment is that our politicians failed, they failed to step to the plate. we are transforming the country anyway. >> senators are voting today and we'll be voting november h 6th. we'll make sure those votes are counted every single day. >> what do you make of the fact that so few of them did and so few looked away and jeff flake studying the floor in the elevator and you have senator sniping at protesters and chuck grassley and others snapping at protesters. what do you make of that rigid response of lindsey grant telling them to boo yourself.
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the response is anger. >> they are angry. they are addressing something that's happening. we are building a new country that's led by women of color and all of us are demanding a piece of the promise of freedom and they represent the old guard quite honestly. they are desperately trying to look away and this moment is happening. they have secure a very important victory with the nomination of kavanaugh. by the way, the vote has not happened yet. >> i am not here to protest. michelle alexander wrote this op-ed in the new york times that said actually trump and the white men that are -- these moments, those men are resisting the country. >> they are the resistance.
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>> i want to say to people that these are the moments that we have to feel our rage, we have to feel our pain and we have to find the power within but also the power with others. these are the moments to organize and not do despair. >> thank you for saying that. the people who are with you are in the moment and understanding activism. how do you over come that sense that a lot of people are feeling today. >> i think that when you have to allow the pain to happen. and remember that you do not have to sink into it. you have to also seek inspiration and seek community. that's actually what sustains us to do through our difficult moments of our collective experiences. show up today to join in others and share your pain and rage and
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show up tomorrow an organization that inspires you or to meeting of the women's march or meeting of planned parenthood. also do not be afraid of your own power. yesterday right after susan collins gave her 45-minute horrible speech, fenoffensive speech to survivors, over 90,000 made donations to a crowd pact so that someone can run against susan collins. $20 donations, that crowd pact is now at most $3 million. people are not sitting down. we are not going to allow these elected officials that failed such an important responsibility and opportunity to say i am not going to reaffirm the culture that allowed so many of us to be survivors and so many of us to be violated in our political
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experience and our economy, i am not going to reaffirm that culture by voting for kavanaugh. she failed and flake failed and so many failed. >> you mentioned if you have another elevator chat with jeff flake, what would you say? >> i would say you fail, you had the opportunity to model as a white man in power, how to begin to repair the pain and all of us have a role in repairing pain that's collected. the experiences that we have as survivors are ours are very unique and personal. they're collective experience, that's why we need to understand. it is not about the evidence of this one case. it is about the truth that the country was forced to look at. >> yeah. >> and so he failed but we as the people deserved political leaders that can lead and not
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just follow the party buses so let's do it. >> this experience have put the names of people like debbie ramirez and christine blasey ford into the lexicon of heroic women. >> thank you so much for what you have done. >> i want to say thank you to all the women who are courageous and allowing me to speak out. >> coming up, ron johnson explains why he's supporting kavanaugh confirmation. up next is your moral moment with official barbara.
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this week made many question the morality of american politics, let alone their fate in the american political institutions. who better to help us walk dhow the woman that is bishop barber, poor chairman of the poor people's campaign and recently named a mcarthur foundation fellow. first of all, great on being named a fellow. thank you. >> oftentimes when i am feeling stressed out, i turn to you, so i want to share some of the wisdom i'm lucky enough to get from you. how do you respond to people who
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look at what's happening with brett kavanaugh and field depressed? >> it should hurt us. there's a scripture in the bible about there who oppress the innocent and take bribes and deprive the poor of justice in the courts. we really need to look at what's going on, but then we need to respond with an offensive. this is a sham, a raping of the political process. what if this was an african-american or latino man who was accused of sexually assaulting one of those senators' daughters. that's a serious question. the other thing is why? why is this? this is the same group that already knew that kavanaugh was fine with torture and mass surveillance. he cares more about corporations than workers, he cares more about them than the environment. he champions gun rights, and he voted to override -- not to override, uphold a voter suppression, voter i.d. program
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in south carolina. this was a sham from the beginning. what we should do is understand now that this is deeper than just trump. it's what happens in statehouses, senate and congress, and why we have to go on the offensive. 80,000 votes got us where we are with this president and voter suppression like we have never seen. we must have an offensive against this at the polls. >> the national council of churches called for the nomination don't withdrawn. this is from wednesday. the council has membership of more than 40 denominations wrote a staismt that they believe he has disqualified himself and must step aside immediately. we don't often see the collective church or collective bodies of the church kinnell out this way on a political nomination. is that a hopeful sign, you are seeing the churches rise up against this kind of nomination?
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>> well, it should be. you know, we should not be democrat or republican, but rise up against injustice. i would caution and i can is a i this as somebody who had attempted sexual assault twice as a male. many of us came out against kavanaugh, because we looked at his record. his record. he supported voters suppression. he supported corporation, treating people like and things like court of appealss like people. this is the same committee that gangsterized our politics, they held a seat for over 400 days. they have refused to fix the voting rights act for five years. he denied two black women even getting a hearing so they should have pushed forward a person in my state with white nationalist ties. they changed the rules from 60 to 250. they refused to even put out his
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documents. so we have to understand we must be engaged, but emgauged on all the issues. the same people who are refusing to hear this stuff about sexual assault are the same people suppressing the vote and the same people that block living wages, and the same people who want to turn back health care. so what we have to have is a fusion offensive. i would say that to all church denominations we can't wait until just this happens, as horrific and as horrible as it is. they were even raping and assaulting the built before we heard about this charges. he was unfit for the office before. >> the piece that is posted on nbc's think, if kavanaugh is confirmed, we need to mobilize as more than ever before. we'll open it up on our page. thank you, bishop. >> thank you. more after the break. hop.
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