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and even handing off parts of it to other areas of the justice department for follow-through. i do think that there is a sense that mueller is heading toward the finish line, though he nor anybody else has told us exactly when that might be. >> i'm looking at your mock. it's pretty thick, so here's the burning question. have you been been able to figure out was there collusion between the trump and the 2016 campaign? >> that's such a difficult question. i have to admit that is the -- i am skeptical at this point we will ever see a smoking gun sort of memo between vladimir putin and donald trump planning out their cooperation in the to 16 election or something like that, but the book describes a lot of interaction between russia and trump that has yet to be

explained. and collusion out in the open. we know things and i write about things that happened that we didn't understand at the time, like, for instance, when trump says in the middle of the campaign, russia if you're listening, could you get at the missing clinton e-mails? we no he in fact -- know in fact that russia was within hours spe spear-phishing. there was a lot of collusion, it just doesn't look like we think it looks like. >> you say there's a lot of interaction. we can go back years and shows varying degrees. >> is that moral? ethical? what is the problem with that? >> well, not necessarily any problem. there's been a lot of financial interactions for many years. it sort of shows that there is

motivation. what that speaks to is an interest on trump's part and a long-standing one to have a closer relationship with russia initially to benefit his trump organization and his company, and now to benefit himself as a politici politician. so he as been interested in developing properties in moscow. he's wanted to meet vladimir putin for a long time. none of that has changed since coming interest the oval office, since becoming president, even after listening to now a year and a half of intelligence experts trying to tell him otherwise. >> look, you're aware that the doj announced another flurry of indictments a indictments, but these folks will never be extradited for trial. is this just political theater? >> i don't think so. not the united states has issued these indictments, but we saw other governments in europe this

week take unusual measures to call attention to what russia was doing. so we have seen a huge influx of russian activity just in the past several months, and it's involved going after antidoping agencies, involved the attempted assassinations of former assets in salisbury, england. we're in the middle of an aggressive new era of espionage from russia, and exposing this is important to sort of inok -- ininoculate us. what about china? >> it's an aggressive player, when it comes to trying to get at trade secrets, but the claims from the trump administration are a little bizarre the past week. they haven't backed up that

claim with any sort of meaningful meddling. china and its lobbying entities do buy advertisements and things like that sometimes. but the other reason is it creates such a contrast with how they have treated russian interference, which all u.s. intelligence agencies agree was historically unprecedented, and we have yet to hear any language lionele like that from president trump about russia. >> the book is called the apprentice, and the subverbs of american democracy. "the apprentice" very clever, my friend. thank you. the races to watch and who could benefit, it's all coming up. could benefit, it's all coming up managing my type 2 diabetes wasn't my top priority. until i held her. i found my tresiba® reason. now i'm doing more to lower my a1c. once daily tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction.

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we have a lot more work to do on it is no ordinary saturday on on capitol hill. in a matter of about four hours or less, the senate expected to confirm controversial supreme court nominee judge brett kavanau kavanaugh. joining me mike murphy, an misinnocenmi msnbc analyst. how might this impact the republican party? is this some sort of a victory here? are you worried this would few democratic voter thew yampl? how are you seeing all of it? >> well, one, great to be here,

alex, both sides are claiming tremendous victory on the political dimension, i think the truth is more complicated. if you are the republicans trying to hold the house, you are looking at a lot of suburban districts that hillary clinton might have carried. there's a couple of those here in orange county. and swing voters districts where you have a lot of suburbanites here, and it's probably increased the odds that we lose the house. but like in missouri, or a north dakota, it -- i think the politics are slightly in favor of the republicans. for democratic pollsters in the middle of some of these races don't mean they're tracking showing with white independent men and base republicans both going back in the -- whenever you have a germaner war, it

works in a lot of complicated ways, so bad for the house, a bit better for the senate, but a couple weeks to the election, and i think there will be more explosions in the politics, thanks to president trump and let's just call it his unpredictability. i want to ask you but the votes of martialing and murkowski, both of them bucking their parties. a surprise to you, or can you as a political consultant and analyst, can you see why they have voted the way they voted? >> yeah, i think lisa murkowski has tell graphed from the beginning her concerns. she has an interested collision up there. she's a republican/independent, so i think her calculus -- look, i give them all the benefit of the doubt. i don't believe it's always all political, but i can see how her independent stand gives her room to do that in alaska. the three really that took risk,

heidi heitkamp, got in worse trouble. people give he some salute for the, quote, occurrence. susan collins took a very hard vote with a lot of courage. in her state, maine, which tilts blue. she's up for reelection in 2020. and finally manchin, he's good et a pass on the criticism from the democrats, which surprises me, because he's the only democrat to support kavanaugh, an incredibly partisan battle, but in west virginia, he's managed to stay five, six points ahead by become a democrat who talks a lot like a republican, so maybe some democrats will stay home to punish him. there is got to be some disappointment in the democratic base back in west virginia. >> how do you think the president handled his rally on thursday no i got when he mocked christine blasey ford. what's the reaction to that

month rpg? several republican senators have -- >> i've vociferously anti-trump since the early '90s, so maybe i'm not a fair critic, but i thought he was boorish, and yet proves why he's unfit to be the president. everything he touches gets worse. >> do you think the supreme court gets tainted by kavanaugh's performance a week ago thursday, both the clintons, blaming them for the plight he found himself in? >> i think he was even embarrassed by that, but somebody said to him, if you don't go out there and treat these democrats, who are acting in a partisan late mugging kind of way, i think that criticism is valid, but i think they told judge kavanaugh you have to be like sean hannity and argue like a cable host or amy barrett will

be on a plane to d.c. tonight. i guess he did that. he'll come to terms of it. in the end i thought the -- i'm a conservative. i'm happy to see a conservative judge who os eminently qualified, but i'm a fan of the institution. it's not a step forward for the country. i have a lot of confidence he will rule well as a judge, but these character questions will be a live political issues, whether they's to be or not, going forward. i think president will be running for president in 2020 screaming about it. i'm out of time. i do wish the president had chose others, and avoiding this mess. >> better politics, but you know, again -- i don't know what happened. i was sympathetic to dr. ford. i kind of believed her. i believed him. i'm a useless truth detector here, but i do worry about the institution. >> never useless, mike murphy.

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a live look at the senate floor, where the confirm's vote is set to take place just a couple and changes hours from now. the final tally is expected to be 50-48 in favor of kavanaugh, the smallest margin for a confirmation vote in more than a century, as we give you a look at the steps of the supreme court. hundreds there chanting, protesting. you can see the crowd out there in the plaza in front of the court steps. there are others on the edges there of capitol hill. definitely a contentious time. those rallying and uses their voices to mare their effort heard, because there's a pivotal vote. while it may not change the vote, they're certainly making their emotion heard. jonathan alter, columnist for "the daily beast." so and a halfia nelson and

kayleigh mcenanny. >> here we are today. what's your reaction? >> look. obviously we're past the point where he's going to withdraw. he's going to be confirmed this afternoon, probably by one voight. i understand that lisa murkowski will vote present now, at least no, which i think -- >> this to counter senator daines who is at his daughter's wedding, so yes. >> obviously susan collins had the eyes on her. i was disappointed. she holds the seat of my hero, margaret chase-smith, who took up to joe mccarthy. her declaration of conscience is legendary. i thought susan would rise to that moment. look, she has a right to her pbs. i thought she went through a methodical case for why she's

supporting, but she missed the mark when she and my fellow republicans, the men are saying she's mixed up or confused. i'm a survivor, and there are millions of us who resent that. you never, ever, ever forget lure attacker, his face so when she was asked because scherr sure, she said 100%, which means you're calling her a liar in a nice way. she believes what she believers, or she thinking she believes what's happen. that's where i think it's despicable. >> kay did not leigh, with the explanation, senator collins said she chose to view the nomination and offer her support within the regards of the term "presumption of innocence." do you have any concerns about this potentially alienating female voters?

he look at the women there on the steps of the supreme court, on the edges of capitol hill women. that's a lot of woman out there right now. >> not worried about that in the slightest. the hard vary harris poll showed if the fbi investigation came back clear, 60% wanted to see him confirmed. why? because due process still matters, fairness still matters, presumption of innocence constituent matters. i understand the left wants to throw that out in a good for susan collins for pointing that out on the floor and for her meticulously going through issue by issue as to why she methodically came to this decision. i think she sent a clear message that the women will get behind. >> may i challenge you, you said fairs in, presumption of innocence perhaps, yes, but due process. do you think the country is united on the perception that

the fbi investigation was a fair due process? i should use the word thorough. thorough due process? >> i think they are united. they have seen the democrats continually move the goal post from saying they want a public hearing, then an fbi investigation, just give us a week. it only took three base for the anita hill investigation. we gave them more than three days. they have treated dr. ford incredibly fairly and equi equitiably. >> where you do you think this has the biggest impact on strategy ahead of the miss terms one month from today? >> i'm interested that kayleigh is so confident that american women are behind judge kavanaugh in this matter. i think american women, the majority of them would beg to differ. are some women behind him? yes, but it's a distinct minority. this is a very painful and

depressing period for many americans, women and men. the way they process it and channel it in the november election lieutenant determine some of the future of our politics. i think in the american suburbs, where many of these house races will be decided, it's not just democratic women, but independent women, and many republican women who are -- many of whom are survivors of sexual assault, who will not forget this moment. not only will they vote for the democrat in these areas, giving them an edge in the house races, but they will in many cases go out and get their friends and neighbors to vote. many are doing so today. not those in washington, but there are a lot of people who are not going to wring their hands anymore. they're going to be ringing doorbells to bring out the vote. i think it's looking bad for the

republicans for the house, the senate, as mike murphy said, it's a different story and plays more to republican strengths, so i think the odds are they'll hold the senate. >> sophia, as lisa murkowski gave the reasoning for why she was going to vote no, despite being a republican, 14e7d she didn't question his legitimacy, his level of jurisprudence, being ability to reflect aptly on any sort of ruling. what she did say is he is not the guy for this time. >> are they casting that vote potentially feeling that way? or just trying to reserve the seat on the supreme court? >> you know, i don't think we have time to get into republicans versus conservatives. i think that's a whole show we could do by itself. i think there's a difference there, number one. number two, like mike murphy said, republican women like

myself fall in a different camp from republican women like kayleigh who are much more conservative. with respect to lisa murkowski, she is documents down where i do, where judge kavanaugh showed his temperament is ill-suited to a seat on the supreme court. for me that's always been my issue. the way he testified, his back-and-forth with senators, his obs known as, frankly rudeness, particularly to amy klobuchar was stunning. yes, he apologized. how many passes do we give this guy? this is to me what the six republican women minus lisa murkowski, which makes five. they sanctioned privilege and patriarchy. i have a piece coming out tomorrow. that's what this is really about. they sanctioned the status quo, and lisa murkowski understands we're in a different moment and kavanaugh. judge amy