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midterm elections, can the gop grow that enthusiasm and crush the democratic blue wave previously predicted for november or will the rage for women trigger by this confirmation fight that leads the catalyst that turns the blue wave into a political flood. joining me now is carrie shefield and white house correspondent for the daily mail, francesca, the victory by the president yet are clearly one of the things that donald trump campaigned on that he would people on the supreme court. clearly this was something that

the mcconnell/senate majority wanted. they blocked for ten months and even a meeting would president obama's nominee and was successfully now able to put two people on the court. does this now lead us to a partisan court? well, now we have president trump saying he can put three or four justices on the court and the amount of time that he could be president. and so this is going to be a very important issue in the midterm elections but also moving forward in to the 2020 presidential race, he says he's campaigning for reelection for 2020. this is something that'll fire up the base on both sides. conservatives voted for donald trump sometimes when they did not like the stance on other issues because of the supreme court. now, liberals are saying the same thing that you have to get

booi behind a liberal majority in the senate or the house but also 2020. the court is at stake here. >> well, that leads me a line to the question of, they're saying as i agree with francesca that they would vote for trump even if they disadpree wigree with s his stances and behavior because they want a right wing on the court which means to many democrats and many of us that are just civil rights or what civil libertarians that means road verse wa roe v. wade and a number of things. you have on the calendar this week that kavanaugh will now sit on immigration cases so we are talking about something far

beyond just the issue that i think was importantly raised by dr. ford. you are talking about altering the last half century of social legislation interpreted and social law interpreted by this court. >> that's absolutely right. the long-term winners in this instance are the social conservatives and religious conservatives who are now going to have a consistent voter on the bench who's going to support chipping away not just at a woman's bodily integrity but at affirmative action and voting rights and lgbtq rights. we have the real need to be concerned of what's coming down from the supreme court. i want to say when it combs es the midterm elections, we know rage is one of the thing that is motivates voters beyond anything

else. the rage you are seeing among women, that's going to translate strongly to the house districts and some of those suburban district that is were swing districts for the house where you are seeing voters already disenchanted with trump and now you will have the democrats and independence and you will have some moderate republicans in the house districts who i believe will stimtull the house blue fo democrats. >> let me ask you carrie, going to the fact that this is a clear cut leaning now 5-4 for many issues that have been a concern for people around the country and i name many of them or some of them, this is also when the country was founded. the founding fathers which of course excluded blacks and others and women, the founding

fathers said we had to have checks and balance. with the right wing republicans or the trump wing republicans now controlling the judicial with the supreme court, executive branch with the presidency and the legislative, where the is the check? there is no check and balance in this. is that going to motivate people to say we got to change and have a blue wave because we are in a one-party country this morning >> reverend, what the check should be that the democratic party needs to check itself about how far left. it has been taken over by socialists and hard left people who do not respect the rule of law. they would have the rule of the mob. what we have seen with this kavanaugh situation is the rule of the mob, you can't bully someone to vote your way. you have to persuade them or you

can't scream at them and expect them to feel respected. if you actually care about the rule of law and checks and balances, why didn't the left try to persuade people. that's what democracy is about. you can't write. >> is that a little hollow. >> let me finish the question. is that hollow when you have a president that tell people to punch people at rallies or a president that stood up and pointing at heck llers. how do you call people mob when you have a guy that physically hurt people at rallies. we can have different opinions but not different facts. >> i am not going to defend every piece of rhetoric that comes out of the white house but i will say that i will stand up

to the president. we see bullying of the left is coming out here. >> i want to tell you one more thing also, reverend. >> you travel with this president and almost laughable if it were so sad that nobody is bullying people and acted in a mob way that i don't remember a president or a candidate to tell people to go after people and he covered their legal expenses. francesca? >> well, at his rally, the president has definitely been talking about justice carver gnaw akavanaugh. >> no, i didn't say kavanaugh. you travel with him. the whole thing of the right trying to act like anybody protest as a mob. you got the wrong president to

use that mob. >> and full disclosure, i was cover covering hillary clinton at the time. i know which travel you are talking about during the presidential campaign with the instances of the protesters who were in the audience and what the president did or did not say when he was kidnappcandidate tr the time. why did they try to turn the other side into mobsters? >> if i can call violence from the left. we have steve scalise who's put in the hospital. >> steve scalise was shot, radioiradi right? >> she was shot by a leftest. >> if i were to say a right wing shot somebody and all of a sudden the whole right wing are mobsters or shooters. >> that's what the left is trying to do.

>> you are taking one deranged act. >> i have received plenty of threats. >> i live under threats. i am saying to depict -- i disagree with your politics. i don't think you are a mob. why do we have to criminalize people that disagree with us. >> that's how a lot of people who supports kavanaugh that people are trying to criminalize him without any evidence or due facts. >> carrie, they did have a due process. let's have an investigation. flake says let's giver it a we. they did five days prescribing people to that they can interview. that's not an investigation. >> senator flake voted for the nominee. >> four days with limited

witnesses. >> reverend, there were zero everyday. >> how did you know if you did not interview all the witnesses that could potentially given you something. >> they interview witnesses. >> they interviewed a select group. we can't have different facts, carrie. >> francesca, let me ask you this, the president is moving forward and he's using this as a victory. no doubt people are saying this was his best week in terms of what he was able to pull off with the supreme court and in terms of some of his trade acts and getting candidates in his new trade act. the president though has the tendency of over reaching. he can rhetorically mess this up francesca by his own mouth out r running the thought of trying to build on this.

you would have thought that he would come out gracious. he came out attacking murkowski in a us verses them language last night during the day. >> he believed very much he won and he was right and his side is right and they have the momentum going into the midterm elections. this has become a midterm election issue. this has now become the core of the central issue before it was to say democrats were delaying or obstructing against him. now we'll continue to say that. look, this is the exact behavior you continue to expect. he'll also be riding pretty high, i would expect this week and his other campaign rallies and monday night when we expect him to hold an event now.

he'll be riding high on this victory and saying this is the wind in his fact and pushing him forward to get the other part of the agenda done. >> just a minute, i have to take a break. the panel is staying with us to continue this conversation. a big announcement, po"politics nati nation" is moving to a new time slot. where he expanding to saturday and sunday at 5:00 p.m. eastern, both live shows right here on msnbc. i will continue to bring you my unique perspective on the news that impacts our lives now twice a week. i hope you can join me. we'll be right back. i see mitch mcconnell here. mitch, how are you feeling? >> that was awesome! whoo! >> do you feel this is a win that you can be proud of? >> oh, hell yeah, republicans

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the past few weeks every american are seeing the profound stakes in the upcoming elections. we have been energized.

if democrats are willing to cause such destruction in the pursuit of power, just imagine the devastation they would cause if they ever obtain the power they so desperately want and grab. >> we are back with our carrie shefield and alana beverly and francesca chambers, white house correspondent for the dailymail.com. ala alana, you worked in the obama white house which brought the country back from a deep recession on the brink of depression and brought healthcare to 23 million americans that did not have it on and on.

how do you feel when it is referred to as destruction? >> well, look, i think it is outrageous that you would blame the democrats for the politics of destruction when he picked a candidate to the supreme court that's completely dividing the country. when there were other qualified legal jourists who could be on the bank. my professor has the demeanor and the legal mind to be able to sit on the court and now we have someone who's partisan, who is all the only reason he's there because he has an expansive view of presidential power and president trump wants to have him on the bench to suit his will and also to be a consistent conservative vote. i also want to note that as you said we had the bounce back in

our economy during the obama administration. if you look at the way our economy is grown and the numbers of unemployment, that trend began in 2010. now we have president trump who's trying to take credit for the nine years of expansion that began under president obama. >> let me go to you francesca on that. the expanded powers of the presidency alana says, a lot of people said that kavanaugh was not on the federalist original li list, what put him there is that he'll support the expansion of presidential powers that a president could not be prosecuted while in office and that's one of the reasons he became the nominee. what is your insight track in terms of traveling with the white house, how do that i

respond to that? >> the response from judge kavanaugh after tomorrow, would be that when he was asked about these things, he said that he would not speak about hypotheticals such as if a case came before the court involving president trump, that's not something he can speak on, he has to see the facts involving that case and he was talking about cases that already existed and he stood behind the idea of precedent. he'll uphold it when he's on the supreme court. it would depend on whatever the case is and the fact of that case. which means he would not commit he would be different than what he said. when you say i am not going to commit, you can only go by the last statement said and the last statement said that he did not believe a president should be subjected to that. clearly that would be carried a reason this president would like him. when he says he would city to

precedent, does that include roe v. wade and does that include criminal justice reform or would you as a conservatively upset with him if he voted to maintain affirmative action. when you are talking about the presidential power, he made the statements not when he was a judge, that was when he was giving just an outside legal opinion. >> when he said with francesca said he was sitting there as a candidate for justice, he was not a justice yet. he was a judge. >> he has loyalty to the constitution. that was his only aim, that's where he's going to lead the country, i am so excited for that. i know that he would everyone ta everyone -- even talked about it when he was nominated. >> so i need you to answer the question. >> absolutely. >> would you be upset as a

conservative despite his mother working in civil rights and all, if he voted to maintain affirmative action and voting rights and roe v. wade? >> you have to look at the law and the law means you need to be color blind which means equal justice for all. >> you said he's going to be precedent. these are already laws. would you be upset as a conservative if he voted, would you feel that he betray you as the red state candidate, red state senator put over the top, if he voted, we are going to keep affirmative action, we are going not mess with voting rights. we'll keep the president with roe v. wade. would you be upset as a conservative it is my third atestimo attempt to get you to answer the question. >> you are asking me questions

about my policy preferences verses my legal interpretations, i am not a lawyer. . >> i ask you whether you feel betrayed. like judge kavanaugh, they can't answer the question because many of them supported him because they expect them to do exactly that. roll back affirmative actions and voting rights and immigration rights. three times you could not answer the question. you are a bright young lady especially on sunday morning alana. >> justice kavanaugh says frequently on main issues like abortion and voting rights law, certain laws established for the

supreme court. you can say something that's precedent and chip away from that law. when there is legislation that's presented to the court and presented to the panel, he can find a number of different reasons and ways to still chip away at those laws that we consider establishing president and settle laws from the court. he needs legal reasoning to do it and we have seen he has the ability to have his role in the district court. he'll say something that's important and valuable piece of legislation. it is valuable law. it is subtle law but he'll find ways based on the case to chip away the president. >> you have asian americans who are upset on the city of policy. you have asian americans suing harvard university to say you have race-based references instead of competency, this is a problem and it excludes asian

americans. >> the reason they are rai raise-based goals because they are racial exclusion. >> let me finish my point and i will certainly let you finish yours. >> the only reason they had to include goals because government had laws excluding them. the government had to undo what they did. this is not a favor. this is you are trying to address what you did by law. by law we could not go to certain schools. >> that's evil and viral. >> i am going to lever it right there. you can't undo that. >> thank you, carrie and alana and francesca. >> coming up, first lady, melania trump went to visit africa by herself. she took a lot of her husband's baggage, i will explain. the same?

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we have talked about the kavanaugh confirmation is likely to energyize the electric going into the midterm. if it does come down on the conservative side, what kind of added pressure does it put on vulnerable democrats especially in red states? >> joining me now from memphis,

tennessee, is steve cornyn, good morning congress. >> good morning reverend sharpton. >> with the energizing with the republicans around the kavanaugh confirmation and mitch mcconnell and the majority leader and the senate saying their people are on fire, saying that the democrats are already on fire for last year but now we see the republicans now going up in the polls, i am thinking in your stakes the first time we see republicans actually ahead. are we going to see a right wing backlash or are we going to see women and others become solid rage with the confirmation it will increase the already predicted blue wave? >> well, we hope and we have to have a large turn out of

minorities and women who knows the importance of having the influence of the senate and witnessing from this awful confirmation of a flawed candidate w candidate. a lot of women are upset that the candidate says he'll vote for kavanaugh if he had been a senator. he wish he would not have said that but i can kind of understand it. this nomination gave the republicans an issue to run on and how important senate confirmations are. he wanted to make it clear that he's an independent and he has voted independently and not nearly democratically as i would like. as moderate and conservative as he may be. he's like years beyond marshal blackburn, who'll put us back to a period, she describes herself from one of her first ads,

proudly, knuckle dragging creature from the past. she has -- he's as person that needs to be elected to give tennessee the tradition of senators that we have. >> in red states where you have democrats not only tennessee but north dakota and other states, the kavanaugh nomination and now confirmation causes a serious kind of problem in terms of the exciting and really adding to turn out of the base of women and minorities that you referred to because as you said your democratic candidate said well, i would vote for kavanaugh so you can't rally on that. i this i that what the republicans are trying to do is

put a real damper in the red states that they can maintain those red state to go red or remain red if they are already in. how does the democratic party sell to the constituents, well, we got to understand they would go to cakavanaugh and all but ty need change that either way you will get kavanaugh from your senate seat. >> the democrats have to work hard to emphasize jobs, healthcare, education, and cleaning up a cultural of corruption in washington and the need to do it in the senate and the house and they have an over sight president who has been a con job of his whole life, he lied about it in the great expose and his wealth and how much his father helped him and born with a gold spoon in his

mouth. he thought he hit a triple but he was all way from one foot away from the home plate. the democrats have got to get the people out to know how important the midterms are and preser preserve things that you talked about, voting rights are in jeopardy and opportunities. the constitution was not written with the idea of black people having any rights. it recognized slavery and it was not written the idea of women having the right to vote. it was a flawed document and we are still becoming a perfect union. amendments helped but a lot of what we have is the supreme court interpreting the constitutions and amendments that make it current with the conditions with our country and help the people achieve the american dreams. we need to have fair and impartial judges. we need the senate that'll

approve or disapprove people based on certain characteristics including the truth. we need to have over sight of this administration that ran rapid and taken care special interests and given the wealthy and businesses the opportunity of polluting our waters and air and making it safe for future generations. >> that's the dilemma and the democrats are going to have to figure out how you get it down to the ground. you certainly have been one that gotten that almost near perfection in your district and travel. >> well, you know memphis and i am going to be in the churches and on the radios and i am going to urge everybody to get out and vote and keep going with cohen. >> i do know memphis and i do know you will do that. thank you congressman steve cohen. >> coming up, two presidents, two complete different white houses on diversities and

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including among the smallest scandals is the well-documented lack of racial and gender diversity among trump's white house staffers. contrast that with the obama's white house. the second term of which we saw half of the administration departments headed by women as well as half of his top aides and many of colors. some of those working as women and minority, have been recently detailed in the new book "west wingers," stories from the dream chasers, change makers and hope creators inside the obama's white house. joining me now is heather foster, coauthor of "west wingers" and former white house's adviser and stephanie

valencia, also a former obama white hou white house official. >> when you look at this house, you would have many years of worked and as well as you, stephanie, you see the lack of diversity. i don't think there is any blacks on the west wing. i think omarosa was in the department you were in, heather, and she left calling the president a racist. i mean it is almost when i was reading the book "west wingers" which is a really detailed book. it is almost like in two years we have totally flipped how the white house and the presidency is in acted. >> reverend sharpton, that's why we wrote "west wingers." we want the people to know that

anyone across the united states can work in the white house. we had colleagues who wcame fro multiple backgrounds are able t obama white house and we knew that different perspectives would shape that policy. i think, you know, contrasting in the trump administration, we have not seen those levels of diversity and i think it will be relevant in the policies that come forward. >> stephanie, your chapter was about the nomination and confirmation of sonia sotomayor to be a supreme court justice. when you look at the process of going through, examining and vetting her, the confirmation process, and compare that to kavanaugh, i mean, what do you think? >> i've spent a lot of time reflecting in this last couple weeks, especially around the kavanaugh nomination about the high standard and really quite

frankly the double standard that the united states senate held sonya sotomayor to. the worst they could come up with a speech she had given ten years earlier that president obama thought was critical to her being on the supreme court. he was clear as he was searching for his supreme court nominees that he wanted somebody who had the critical proximity to reality, a proximity to reality that i would argue brett kavanaugh did not have and they held that against her, from being somebody who identified as a latina who was outspoken about being a latina and dragged her over the coles for having diabetes and her personal health issues, but those were the worst things they could come up with. in comparison to where we sit today it's night and day. >> those were not personal issues in terms of personal ethics or anything of that nature. >> 100%. >> heather, in reading your chapter you talked about how this president had to deal with the racial murders in

charleston, south carolina, and i had access to the white house those eight years, trayvon martin all the way through police cases and you look at that and you look at how this president handles charlottesville. is part of it -- clearly from my perspective knowing him -- mr. trump from new york was donald trump because that's who he really s but the other part of it is he doesn't even have around him a staff that could even counsel him on how to handle such very sensitive racial issues like charlottesville where he tried to equalize protesters against the confederacy with neo nazis, whereas even though president obama was himself black, he kind of had a staff that would -- he would sit down and debate. i've been in some of those meetings and he would solicit and extract discussion from

people and then of course would make up his own mind. >> absolutely. i mean, in this book, reverend sharpton, we have you hear from the social secretary, the person who led public engagement and the man who led our veterans outreach. african-americans were everywhere and we always came together around very difficult issues like trayvon martin. there was a team of us that worked on charleston. i happened to be the lead, but i had other colleagues, i had stephanie young who her father was in the ame church. >> the bishop. >> yes. so we had a collection of voices whenever we were faced with such difficult issues. >> stephanie, in reading this book this gives an insight to a lot of americans on how all americans function in a white house in harmony, even if they disagreed on certain particular points, they understood the role of the country. >> i would just say that if

you're looking for inspiration right now, which we all have searching for a little bit of hope in this moment as we get ready for this last 30 days before the midterms and the last years of the trump presidency, i'd really urge people to read this book because, one, it gives a human perspective to the role of public service and the role that, you know, why all of us were called to serve and the personal role and impact that particular policies had on our lives as ordinary americans who had the opportunity to serve in the white house. it's a very diverse book as heather said, 11 of our 18 authors are women, 13 of 18 are people of color. it shows that it matters who is sitting at the table at places of power like the white house. >> thank you, heather foster and stephanie valencia, and, again, the book is called "west wingers." check it out. up next, my final thoughts. stay with us. ut. up next, my final thoughts stay with us

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this week we saw in chicago a jury convict former officer van dyke of murder 2 and 16 different counts of assault with a deadly weapon. that may not be the actual title of the conviction charge, but every bullet he was convicted of, 16 shots, that he shot

laquan mcdonald. this was the first conviction of a new york -- of a chicago policeman in 50 years. it sent a ray of hope not because the policeman was guilty, but because the evidence was clear from a videotape and other statements made by the officer himself that a jury did not ignore. something we have not seen in too many other cases where evidence was ignored. i might note that it was a jury with only one black on the jury and people looked beyond their different places and silos of where they came from and dealt with equal protection under the law even when the police went wrong. that's what we have fought for and that's what chicago

achieved. that is why i've tried to in this show raise a spotlight in dark places to show that all people want is an even playing field and equal protection under the law. the family of this young man should be saluted for calling for peace and to let justice take its course and in this case it seems that it does. and it has. that does it for me. thanks for watching. remember, "politics nation" is moving to a new time slot, next weekend, we are expanding to two days, saturday and sunday at 5:00 p.m., both live new shows right here on msnbc. now to my colleague, alex witt. >> you know what's so school about this, it's twice as nice, we get you two days a week and instead of havingy