model something different if we want them to be better than that. >> former first lady the also said that there is absolutely no way that she would ever run for elected u fuoffice and she was adamant about it. and that is going to wrap up our hour, and andrea mitchell is here. >> what a day and morning. >> great to see her again. thank you, craig. and now on "andrea mitchell reports" the florida panhandle is crushed by hurricane michael, killing two people including an 11-year-old girl as the officials are fearing that the death toll may rise when they get in to access the hardest hit a areas. >> i have been through storms before, and this is the strongest, and the harshest storm i have ever seen and it continued, and continueded and continued and one tornado after another, and you will see the devastation of the trees just

one after another. the mystery deepens that the saudi crown prince could be behind the disappearance of the "washington post" reporter, and that the washington was aware of the plans to detain him. the foreign relations committee is demanding that they find out who murdered him. >> and my instincts say that there is no doubt that they did this and my instincts say that they murdered him. and girl power on the day with two first ladies with two very different views of the metoo movement. >> we need to have hard evidence that if you are accused of something, show the evidence. >> i am surprised by how much has changed and how much has not changed, and changed, and i think that is where the fire is coming from. enough is enough.

good day, everyone. i'm andrea mitchell in new york, and continuing coverage of hurricane michael's devastating impa impact on millions of americans. now downgraded to a tropical storm and rationing through the carolinas to the atlantic ocean. the most pressing problem for the southeastern residents right now is the widespread power outages. more than 800,000 customers across five states without power, and hindering the k contacts of search and rescue teams. and at least two people have died as a result of the storm. one of them an 11-year-old girl, and officials are fearing that more fatalities may be uncoveedd as the teams try to get to the isolated areas. let's get to the latest in florida from nbc's kerry sanders in panama city where it hit landfall in one of the worst hit areas. we were all feeling for you yesterday watching you struggle and jim cantore coming to your rescu rescue, and many more people

needed to be rescue and put in danger. >> well, so many people who today are trying to now find loved one, and some of them separated because the communications are down and especially the verizon phone system is offline. you can see over my shoulder what 155-mile-an-hour winds do. it may be that a tornado came through here. i'm at a boat marina which has been crushed. let's look at the shots above as the drone is flying over. you can see the damage here. there have been a steady stream of people making their way from the neighborhoods, and coming down to see what the damage was like, mand of the people in the neighborhoods say that just getting out of their neighborhoods has been extremely difficult, because of the tree limbs that are downed, and power poles are down and live wires are down, and treating them as if they are live wires and that is what the power company assumes you to do, never assume that the line in front of you has no power. the authorities are saying that they are doing the door-to-door checks on people, and that is a

labor intensive and slow-moving ro proces -- process, but they recognize that because of the lack of ocommunications, there are people unableb to connect with with other family members, and the anxiety is getting high. we have not seen the power crews make their way here yet. we know that there are more than 5,000 power crews that duke energy has to come into this region to begin helping people, and that the power outages have affected between alabama, florida, up into georgia more than 700,000 people, but the real ground zero location of the worst damage is mexico beach. that is about 40, maybe 41 miles from where i am standing right now. because the storm hit, and because it was cut off and then we only had an hour and a half of daylight, it was not until this morning that we started to see the coast guard helicopters making their way down the beach

past tin da base, and this tynd force base, and they are making their way over, and those who are lucky to be alive, because that area was hit by the hardest edge winds in the eye wall of 155 miles per hour, and also by the storm surge which was at seven-plus feet. that is the power of the wall with the power of the gulf of mexico behind it, and nothing to stop it. taking out just construction, taking out homes, and take the out about just anything in its way. mexico beach is going to be the place where people talk about, but where i am in panama city, this is the largest population center, and it is going to be taking a long time to get back

up on their feet here. and i think that just getting the electricity are returned here to upwards to three week, and folks at schools that have lost roofs and churches that have lost the fronts and the homes that have lost the roofs, and that is go ing to take a log time for people to get settled in. and andrea, remember, that there are people who evacuated and followed the requests to get out, and they want to come back, and the authorities are saying, don't rush back, and first, you are complicating the problems, and we need you to take a little bit more time, because we have to get in with the power damage crewing, and make sure that it is safe. nothing worse than someone returning to the hurricane zone to find themselves injured or worse when they have done the right thing by e vvacuating to begin with. andrea. >> yes, so many people dislocate and facing incredible damage, and kerry, thank you to your team and amazing work, and i know that no one with has slept. thank goodness you are safe.

thank you for the reporting. meanwhile, the tallahassee mayor andrew gillum is the candidate or the -- i am so sorry, i believe that andrew gillum is joining us now. >> yes. >> thank you very much for being with us. first of all -- >> of course, of course. >> our thoughts are with you and the city, and what is the damage? >> thank you, andrea. our community's collective thoughts and prayers are going out to the neighbors to the west in the panhandler are region. so many of my residents have homes down there and we visit the area of the state, and the pi pictures coming in from that area are devastating. obviously, my issue in the part of the state a little further east of that is the issue of wind. we are a tree city usa which covered almost 50% of my

community by trees. many of those trees, by the t u thousands came down yesterday. taken out the power lines and landing on homes and vehicles and property, and obviously, we are thankful because we can are replace the property but not lives. and so far, no report of loss of life in the city. where we are now, andrea, we have about 110,000 of the utility customers out of power. today's priorities has been to clear the roads and making sure that emerge is si vee mernlmerg other response vehicles can get safely into the neighborhoods. then we will move on to get normalcy back up, and businesses opened, and roads cleared and the power restored. this one of the largest and the most impactful storms in this part of the state in over a century. so it is going to take some time to recover, but we are counting our blessings today, because it could have been a lot worse for us. >> indeed.

what do you think in terms of the time before people can get power back, and how much are pressure is on you, because you are a candidate for the statewide office and the mayor of a major city, a thnd this is test for you, and the e emergency responders under your command. >> yeah, i will say that first of all, we have some of the best and the hardest working and most dedicated staff that you could ask for. the building behind me has been littered with staff and over 30 age agencies working together over the last several days, and since sunday to get the community ready. and today, andrea, we had over 100 linemen hit the streets, and getting the power back to restore, and rebuilding the grid system, and we are are taking some assessment of what the total impact will be and how long the restoration is going to take, but as i said before, we have the life, health, strength. we are counting the blessings here, and clearly, we are going to get back up to snuff and up to speed and people back restored. it may take a few days, but we

are certainly on the task. >> and what is the federal response been so far, and how would you grade what washington has done for florida? >> well, i will tell you that my office has been in touch with the white house. we have been in more increased touch with governor scott's office and in fact, i got off of the phone with him a few minutes ago, and touching bases on what has been done, and what his assessment and our assessment has been, an certainly here at the state level, we are trying to work in concert with each other, and we are hopeful that when it comes to getting our fema assistance that it will be holding in place when we need to call upon it. >> does politics enter into this at all? here rick scottt is running for senate, and a republican, and you are runninging to replace him and in a tough race. the democrats are claiming that he is not extending the registration, and the voter registration that was interrupted by the storm. how are those issues addressed? >> well, i have been in

alignment with those who have petitioned for expanding and extending the voter registration period, but i will tell you that andrea, in this difficult time, we are really most interested in trying to make our communities whole again. we are all doing everything that we can to get our communities up and are restored and ensure ing that we are doing everything that we can, and to work together. our community is looking to us to frankly rise above partisanship at this time. we are certainly trying to do that, and in my case, and i think in the case of the governor and senator nelson and i am hopeful that the political cooperation with each other will continue while we get our communities back up to 100%. >> thank you so much, mayor gillum, it is very great to talk to you today and find out that you are at least getting back up online and the community is working together, and be safe out there on the campaign trail as well. thank you.

>> yes, ma'am. thank you and god bless. >> best to you. >> and gabe guterres is in st. georges island in florida after a tough 48 hours. what is the situation there? >> well, hi, andrea, and good afternoon. we have just made it to st. george island and this is the area that had been cut off when the storm hit, and the mayor has just let some of to residents back here, and cell phone transmissions are difficult, and we are only able to speak to you with the transmission lines that we have. we are told that 50 residents on the island have decided to ride it out, and the first responders could not get to them. so there is concern about how much damage was here, and we have literally within the last few minutes, and we have seen the siding blown off of the roofs, and the water is receding. and it is clear that the storm surge here was significant. there was video going around on social media showing a wall of

water just crashing into the area. and apalachicola which is near here had a reported storm surge of eight feet and flooded part of the historic downtown. and again, the authorities are here are assessing the damages this morning and people are just getting to the area, and the bridge to st. george island had been closed off. we were trying to head west as well to mexico beach, because that area, the main road in and out of the apalachicola is shut down there. is debris all throughout the roadway and may take the quite a while to clear all of that out o, but u.s. 98 heading east out of apalachicola, that has been at least part of it has been opened, and that is how some of the residents are being able to come back to this area, st. george island. back to you, andrea. >> thank you, gabe guterres, and to your team as well. a white house journalist shares her surprise interview with president trump and a lot of other top officials as well.

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has he had people that you trust working for him? >> yes. >> have you let him know? >> yes, i let him know. >> and what did he do? >> well, some of the people don't work there anymore and it is difficult, because i am so u

busy with my office that i don't get involved with the west wing. >> do you think that there are still people there that he can't trust? >> yes. >> still working there? >> yes. >> and a candid assessment of the president's white house staff, and his latest ploy summoning the magazine olivia knutesy with a conversation with the president, the vice president, and the chief of staff and secretary of state after there was some warning that he was about preparing the stor ri th story that he was about to fire his chief of staff. and so what was the higher echelon of the trump administration to get me to change my mind. and so joining us is kristen welker, and olivia who is with the new website intelligentsia.

and what an exclusive, and kristen would share my amazement of that and i don't know another reporter summoned without any preparation, and summoned into the oval office to the meet not only with the president but everyone else. what was your take away? he is concerned and wants to reassure the world that he is not about to fire john kelly? >> it seems that the president has been speaking more to the press this week than usual. he has gagled a few times and several interviews including with new york magazine. it seems that he wanted to influence my story and then pulled out all of the stops in an attempt to do so. it is remarkable certainly, and we don't see it a lot where we have high ranking members of the president's cabinet and the administration is in a room with a are reporter as he is trying to influence the story in this way. i am glad it happened and i

think it is revealing. >> it is revealing that you touched a nerve, olivia, with the reporting when word got back to him. >> and in the inaugural, kristen, you were wandering around and ran into the president and he is willing to talk. he is very available to reporters and not in formal news conference w conferences which is much to the loss of the press corps and the world, but in the impromptu moments. >> he likes the impromptu moments, andrea, and it is quite remarkable, and i have to share your congratulations to olivia, because it is incredible that she was actually invited into the oval office for what amounted to the press conference and this private press conference with the president and the press advisers and underscores that the president is feeling emboldened right now in the wake of the confirmation of justice kavanaugh and good economic numbers of course yesterday with the drop in the stock market is something that he is getting questions about,

but last week, of course, the unemployment rate at near historic lows and he struck that deal with canada and mexico and nafta 2.0, and he has been eager to talk to the press. he has also been eager to try to head up his own comes department, and that is what you saw. he heard the story that she was working on and he wanted to push back. but i think that olivia is at something in her reporting that chief of staff john kelly came in to do a better job of directing the information, the messaging, and he has been sideline sidelined to some extent based on the reporting over the last several months. and nonetheless, the fact that the president wanted to get out ahead of this story personally, and he wanted to be his own messenger speaks to his way of governing, and his way of osort of trying to direct his own communication, and certainly underscores the fact that he is e

embold emboldened. >> and how much of this is do you think that bill schine has to do with this? >> well, it is not clear, but the old saying of let trump be trump has taken over once again as it had in different points of the campaign. the president seem s a little bt more relaxed i suppose if you are viewing the way he has been appearing in public, and speaking to the reporters over the last few months, and they have been doing the videos in the rose garden that are reminiscent of what he used to do in trump tower, and it seems that he is has a lot of emphasis on trying to make the president happy, and whether or not that is a wise strategy. >> and there is also more talk about the turmoil of course after the election, and after the midterms, and mass firings or resignations, and the washington post has a story about jeff sessions being replaced by his own chief of staff which would be remarkable, and remarkable not only because he would not at all be

considered in any other ed administration, and experienced enough to be the attorney general, but also because of the significant writings, and the writings in contradiction of the mueller probe, and saying that it is too broad and that he should not be going so far with the investigation, and that would be pointing to a lot of the experienced and insider justice probes that he should wrap it up quick ly, because there are changes afoot right after the election. >> there is a sense, andrea, and you have been reporting on it that jeff sessions is going to step down, leave, after the midterm election, and the person who replaces him, whether it is matt whitaker can or someone else is going to be someone who is more closely aligned with the thinking of president trump when it comes to the russia probe. but this is speaking to why the fact that nikki haley is leaving in the new year is such a huge loss, because you undoubtedly will have the two big positions

that need to be filled. president trump is saying the is going to be filling the u.n. ambassador replacement in a few week, and he has whittled it down to a short list of five name names, but still though for the administration heading into the newer yoo, it is certainly marks a fair amount of change because that is when we expectt that the russia probe is going to ramp up again and it has gone quiet for the midterms, andrea. >> thank you, kristen welker, and olivia, congratulations for great scoop. and market madness and what is behind the wild swings on wall street and how can they affect you? you are watching andrea mitchell are reportses. stay the with us on msnbc. coaching means making tough choices. jim! you're in! but when you have high blood pressure and need cold medicine that works fast, the choice is simple. coricidin hbp is the #1 brand that gives powerful cold symptom relief without raising your blood pressure. coricidin hbp.

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i think that the fed is out of control. i think that what they are doing is wrong. >> i think that the fed is far too stringent, and they are making a mistake the. and it is not right. and it is -- despite that, we are doing very well, but it is not necessary. in my opinion.

and i think that i know about it better than they do. >> well, the pt resident of the united states, and he called the fed loco last night. this is his comments today after the dow had plunged by 800 points yesterday and the third biggest one-day drop in history and the global markets were down sharply overnight, and the markets are stabilizing here and in a departure from tradition, the president is commenting. the tradition is that the presidents don't comment on the federal policy, but he has been. and his fed chairman is his own appointee jay powell. and now, coming off of a plane from london, you know more about this than any of us, and just back from a trip around the world. and first of all, the risk for the president beating up on the fed? >> well sh, the ris knock tr president is this, and two things that set the rate of interest rates and one is what the fed says, and the other is what the markets actually determine what price they give

to the bond yields. when you have investors really scared that there is going to be too much for the economy and government who does not care about the insulation or stoking up too much economic growth and when there is a lot of debt in the picture as well which is absolutely the story of to u.s. economy as well, investors run scared and when that happens, they sell the bond, and the ie, the interest rates go up in the markets. >> and interest rates also going up possibly because of the trade policy and the trade war with china, and we have had the vice president of the united states giving a very, very tough speech against china last week, and the week before that, or two weeks ago earlier the u.n. security council, and the president taking on china and broadening this trade war into a much more serious cold war with china. >> absolutely, andrea. right now, a lot of the jokes of the market that a halloween is

coming early for spooking the investors in the markets. and what is happeninging with the trade debate and i have actually just come back from asia is that as the talk is more and more tough between the u.s. and china, you are not only seeing the groups like the imf downgrading the forecasts for the u.s. and for china which happened on monday, but also, you are starting to see a number of the american companies saying they are putting up the price, because the costs are rising. we have had a series of announcements from the companies saying they are jacking up the prices. the combination of the potential inflation pressure coming through the pipelines and potentially slower growth is alarm iing. now we have tep keep it in context, because the economy in the u.s. is, panding and the corporate earnings are pretty good, but certainly, the investors are getting nervous. >> the president on the campaign trail is taking credit for the overall health of the economy and the corporate tax cut. >> the corporate tax cut has

been fueling the economy and it is like chucking fuel on the fire, but the feds say that we can't have the economic fire burn too much out of control so they are going to have inflation, and so they are trying to damp it up, and of course, the president is saying because of the midterms coming up that we need to keep the economy growing, growing, growing, and the kinds can of comments that the president has been making in the last 24 to 48 hours are the things that undermine the investor confidence and that is frankly a dangerous time to do itt right now. >> of course, he is thinking not so much about the investor confidence, but the states that he is visiting -- pennsylvania, west virginia and key midterm states. he was in iowa just the other day, and he is thinking of the red states that are not only midterm states, but clearly, it is a pattern of states that would be his battleground states for 2020. >> absolutely. that is what the president is focusing on and totally understandably, but as back in

the clinton days the political analyst said, when i come back, i want to be a bond market, so i can terrify everyone. the bond market is completely nonterrifying for the last ko couple of years and the yields have been incredibly low and not fielding any concern about the american debt, but looking across the other side of the atlantic and what is happening in italy where you have a populist italian government says we don't care about the bond market and the investors are starting to panic, the concern is that as the american debt and deficit is rising, rising, rising and dramatically under this republican government, you are starting to see the inv investors say, hang on a sec, because we kind of forgot about the debt in recent years, but maybe it is coming back to haunt us all, and that is the other halloween fear. >> i don't like the halloween coming to the the markets, but i like halloween when it comes to the sugar. >> yes, the candy. >> and the sugar high in the

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i can't do it. it is the person that got away. and you know in the old days it was a little different. and pennsylvania -- he says, do it anyway. i would do it except for these people up there, and they would say, did you hear what president trump said? did you hear what he said? so there is an expression, but we will change the expression, pennsylvania was always the person who got away. >> i don't know what was happening there, but it was the president mocking the metoo movement at a rally last night in erie, pennsylvania, as his wife melania was also asked about metoo in an interview pretaped on ashnbc. >> if you have been accused of something, you need to produce the evidence.

>> and this is a split screen with michelle obama after being on "today" with savannah guthrie and hoda kotb. >> i am surprised how much has changed and not enough has changed a and this is where the fire is coming. enough is enough. >> and let es get the inside scoop from jeremy peters and susan page, bureau chief, and jonathan capehart also an msnbc contributor all. and susan, you have been covering michelle obama, and the contrast between michelle obama and melania trump and the president in erie, and i am trying to figure out the message os oon this metoo movement and where we are post culturally and kavanaugh, too. >> it is not surprising that michelle obama says enough is enough, and says that women need to feel that they are safe, and not enough has changed. a little surprising that melania are trump was willing to get out there in what amounted to be a

position much like the one that her husband has made that you really need definite evidence if you are going to be bringing allegations of sexual harassment and assault against the men, and if you are looking at the president's comments last night, and the republicans think that backlash of the metoo movement is going to help them to save the senate next month in the midterm election, and they have seen a reaction that has galvanized the republican voters and helped the are republicans in trump states en couple be -- en couple bents to keep control in the senate. >> and what are you seeing jonathan, because it is very difficult that the kavanaugh experience is a month-long experience and we with don't know how it is going to really play out, but we can see in arizona and in nevada polls tightening, and the republicans are moving back up ahead.

>> that is exactly right, and i have heard being on the phone and republicans watching the races, andrea, and montana has also gotten significantly better and indian na is looking better and so has tennessee. but we don't know what is going to be happening in four weeks from now, and let alone four day da days. this news cycle, i don't vt to tell you is hour by hour, and so the idea that a -- that an event like the kavanaugh confirmation endures as a potent political motivator, and who knows? ly say that the republicans that i have been talking to are confident that it does, because it was such a compelling national psychodrama and unlike anything that we have seen in this tumultuous presidency, and that is really saying something. so there is some hope there that it sticks. >> and jonathan capehart, the president yesterday, doing something that was a little bit risky politically, because he went to erie, pennsylvania, for

a fund-raiser and rally at the time when the hurricane, hurricane michael was tearing into panama city, florida, through the panhandle. he said in a tweet, couldn't let these great people down. they have been lined up since last night, and see you in pennsylvania. showing a picture that is actually a picture taken by his nemesis jim acosta the of , c n lined out there, and our crusade no lineup of people to be there, and he made a decision for the fund-raiser or the politics of pennsylvania that he was not going to be cancelling that political event. >> this is the president tweeting are from the alternative universe. there is no way that the president was going to cancel that event. >> really? >> and showing that the president is not responding well to hurricanes? >> well, he is showing time and time again that he is not like other presidents, and he does

not act like other presidents and he does not think like other presidents, and so of course, he is going to do the rallies, because those rallies for him and leaves a side the fund-raiser and those rallies are oxygen, and he needs those rallies in order to feel the love from his base which we have to remember is a minority of the minority, but he feeds on that and he is going to serve the political purpose, and a positive political purpose from his perspective and that is what jeremy is talking about and this is working well in those red states where democratic incumbents are on their heels trying to hang on to their seats. but to, you know, first lady michelle obama's point, enough is enough. and at some point, when election day comes, the american people are going to have their say, and we will see whether or not the president doing the oxygen life-giving rallies for him actually worked.

>> and the other thing that is happening at the white house today is kayne west and another group of people are at the white house today for a working lunch we are told with the president. you can see that kayne is there on the couch in the oval office wearing a red hat and we don't know if it is maga hat, and he has been controversial because of the post "saturday night live" performance a week and a half ago. >> and kayne west going to the white house is still part of the theater, and the theater of trump and part of the theater of kayne. the idea that he is some ambassador to the african-american community or from the african-american can commu -- african-american community is laughable. the president can say whatever he wants, but when you talk to african-american, they will point to the disrespect of the women in congress and senate like maxine waters, and

countries in africa. and the tone and the tenor of the nation right now is not making a whole lot of to african-americans comfortable or at home regardless of the unemployment numbers, and what they say. >> stay with us, and we will be right back. with what the u.s. intelligence appare apparently shows about the disappearance of jamal khashoggi. stay with us, this is "andrea mitchell reports." you'd be better off just taking your money and throwing it right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with new car replacement, if your brand new car gets totaled, liberty mutual will pay the entire value plus depreciation. liberty mutual insurance. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ the sun goes down. you did a million things for your family today.

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as first reported by the washington post but not confirmed by nbc news, saudi journalist jamal khashoggi disappeared at the consulate in turkey. the u.s. intercepted communications about how the saudi crown prince wanted to kidnap the prominent critic and columnist and get him back to saudi arabia. and now, they say they have evidence that after he was entering the consulate in istanbul he was detained by a 15-person hit squad and mu murdered. and now, they say that he

checked the cell phone before entering the consulate and never checked the messages later. this is a screen shot by the friend in the u.s. and obtained by nbc news. joining me is bob corker chairman of the foreign relations joining us. you've been expressing concern, your committee, with only one dissenting member, bipartisan, call on the white house, under the magnitsky act, which triggered an automatic investigation by the administration, by the president of the united states, to see if a foreign government, to see who may have caused the disappearance of this prominent dissident. critic of the regime. >> yes. >> you said today to the press you think that -- you think he may have been killed. do you have -- what is your reason for that suspicion? >> yes. so first of all, andrea, always good to be with you. look, everything points to that being the case. i hope that i am wrong. i hope that he turns up healthy in some other part of the world.

everything i've read intelwise and just that i'm aware of makes me think the likelihood is he's been murdered. and everything points at this juncture to saudi arabia, but, you know, andrea, and the world -- you're very familiar with -- things can be murky, and who knows if this was set up by someone else to make it appear this way. but right now, everything would point to saudi arabia. and everything would point to the fact that unfortunately it would appear that he's been murdered. but, again, i hope he shows up some place. >> there are some reports that turkish officials may have had some listening devices inside that consulate and may actually have heard what transpired and heard him being killed. that is a report -- that we have not confirmed. have you heard anything like that? >> i have not. you know, i've been down in the skiff for the last couple

days -- >> the secure room, meaning the intel. >> right. just reading the intel that we have. i've not read -- i obviously couldn't share it, but i have not read anything of that sort. i don't know whether it's true or not. what i found, andrea, i talked to the -- immediately called the ambassador here, who i just met with a couple weeks ago and shared with him how bad relations were on the hill towards saudi arabia. for multiple reasons. i called him immediately when we found that this journalist was missing. and he shared with me that the video equipment inside the consulate only live streams. it doesn't record. which is a ridiculous, ridiculous statement. so, i mean, you've been -- that's just not the way it works. so, again, awfully fishy response. >> can i just say --

>> -- couldn't possibly be true -- >> something you know very well, he is the younger brother of the powerful crown prince. he's also a son of the king. and this ambassador, whom you say you talked to, who gave you this fishy response, is the younger brother of the crown prince who is in some quarters by turkish officials being accused of having somehow been behind the foul play. >> yes, yes, that's correct. >> now, there is another theory that we've seen video that turkish authorities have shared with us and others. this video shows men allegedly in a saudi hit squad, landing in two planes that morning, then khashoggi going into the consulate after these men left their hotel. our josh letterman today exclusively has cell phone texts. showing he did not respond after

a certain hour. when he went in. so either the phone was turned over or he has not been back on that cell phone. we don't know about other cell phones he may have had. >> right. >> all this adding up to the possibility that perhaps this was supposed to be a rendition. that this is what the intercept communicated and something went awry? >> that is, you know, very possible. you know, i was just down in venezuela, as you know, and while i was there, a young councilman, if you well, who the venezuelan people, government, thought was involved in the attempted assassination, he unfortunately, while i was there, was -- i don't know whether he was being tortured or what happened. but he ended up dead. they say he jumped out of a ten-story window. you know, did that happen or was he tortured and it went wrong?

so when you get into these rendition issues and i'm not saying that rendition necessarily was what was happening in venezuela, things can go awry. and people can -- people end up perishing sometimes. and people go too far. again, i don't know. this is all conjecture. i have no idea. the only thing i do know is that everything would point at this time to saudi arabia for some -- for whatever happened being responsible for this person and if he is some place where he renditioned, certainly they need to bring him forth. but otherwise, it does appear that he's been murdered, and i think over the next several days, things are going to become much clearer. >> and one very quick question. we only have a few seconds left. do you believe that if u.s. intelligence had actually heard these intercepts, that they

should have warned him? that they had an obligation to warn him he was in danger? >> yes, so i don't want to speak so much to that. that's obviously in a classified area. but let's say even what you were saying was a possibility. then the question would be when did they know. they might have just known, you know -- >> after the fact? >> well, they might have just known right before it happened, right? so i don't -- i can't say today that u.s. officials had a responsibility. again, i think that also will become clearer over the next several days. >> thank you so much, senator. >> thank you, andrea. >> we'll be right back. is now in session. and... adjourned. business loans for eligible card members up to fifty thousand dollars, decided in as little as 60 seconds. the powerful backing of american express. don't do business without it.

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