people are military guys. he's in a stern gang, and out of nowhere he stands up at the place where lincoln gave his gaetti get gettysburg address and recited the whole thing. >> it is like a confession. i saw that in your interview with him. >> thank you. you talk about making mistakes, like hail to the chief. that was a dumb thing to do. >> on sunday night. >> sunday night at 9:00. very proud of what -- the rep t rapport i set with him and he was so honest. this was a prime show. primetime show at 4:00 in the afternoon. it is dynamite. dynamite. >> way too kind. my thanks. don't miss him on hard ball and sunday night at 9:00. that does it for our hour. >> hi, nicole, hi, chris.

thank you. thank you, chris. >> feel like a third whieel on our date. >> go finish off camera. i'll start the show. good-bye. if it's thursday, republicans are married to the mob strategy. good evening. i'm chuck todd in washington. welcome to mtp daily. what world are we living in where the president and republican leaders are outraged at the ugly nasty bare knuckles political environment they largely created? and they are outraged when a democrat uses the kind of rhetoric and rebel rousing that the president has been using for years? okay, it is 26 days to the midterms and republicans now seem married to this mob strategy, as part of their get out the vote effort. what i mean by that is republicans are trying to paint democrats as an angry mob. and as part of that effort, they

have surfaced comments made by former attorney general and possible 2020 candidate eric holder. here he is speaking at a local campaign event in mcdonough, georgia, while stumping for the state's gubernatorial candidate. >> when they go low, we go high. no. no. when they go low, we kick them. that's what this new democratic party is about. when i say, you know, we kick them, i don't mean we do anything appropriate, we don't do anything illegal, but we got to be tough. >> those comments have ignited a wave of quote outrage unquote on the right from the president to the rnc to congressional leadership. >> better be careful what he's wishing for, that i can tell you. he better be careful what he's wishing for. >> what do you mean? >> disgusting statement for him

to make. for him to make a statement like that is a dangerous statement. >> it is going to lead to something dangerous. we have seen sarah sanders be accosted at a restaurant, you've seen ted cruz and heidi cruz being accosted, you've seen steve scalise being shot. >> it only takes one disturbed person out there that takes these comments seriously and you got somebody shooting at a baseball practice, where rand paul attended and where my own congressman trent kelly was shot at but missed. it has gone too far. >> folks, we can all agree the current political environment is toxic and at times dangerous. but the republican party under president trump arguably created this current environment with the help of a president who who whose rhetoric justified incidentally mob style displays and even threats of violence. >> knock the crap out of him, would you? just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal

fees. you know what they used to do at guys like that in a place like this? they would be carried out on a stretcher, folks. i'd like to punch him in the face, auto i'i'll tell you. if you see him, do whatever you have to do to him, i don't care. i think i'm totally within my rights to say that. throw him the hell out. that's okay. in the good old days, they would rip him out of that seat so fast. the legendary pocahontas. >> the fake news, enemy of the people. >> lock her up. lock her up. lock her up. >> and to hear republicans tell it right now that toxic political environment they created is really the democrats' fault. >> my rallies are really calm and well run and packed with people. we don't have problems at our rallies. >> this is a time where leaders of the democrat party need to tamp down these passions. >> there is going to be an assassination if this doesn't ratchet down and i think the

other side needs to really calm the rhetoric down. >> those were the kinds of warnings we heard about the president's rhetoric, now republicans are warning democrats against doing what they have done. there is a word for that in politics, it is usually not a good one. i'm joined by tonight's panel, michael beschloss, the presidential historian and author of the new book "presidents of war." ruth marcus, deputy editorial page editor at the post. and a senior fellow at international institute and columnist with bloomberg. all of us are in the style of we have all been pretty critical of this style of politics. nobody embraces it, i think, at this table. but for the life of me, i just -- it is just sometimes you're just shocked when, you know, one side projects this and you're, like, what world are we living in? >> you live long enough, you get to see everything. reminds me of another midterm,

even that was the midterm of 1970 when richard nixon was trying to lead the republicans and the way he did it was the last couple of weeks about this point in the campaign, there was a rally of nixons in san jose and rock throwers. and nixon taunted the rock throwers. he stood up on the hood of his car and went like this as the rocks were throwing and people were screaming. and he felt that that was such an effective display of how the republicans would defend the nation against the abyss of lack of law and order and chaos and mobsterism by the democrats that he had a tape of that rally shown on election eve with a speech saying, i'm the president and we're the party that can bring you law and order. they lost the midterms, it didn't work. >> didn't lose by that much. some of the midterms weren't that bad. remesh? >> i do think that a party that is currently led by donald trump doesn't have a leg to stand on when it is attacking rhetoric

for being crude or dangerous or violent. but what is interesting to me is the democrats, rather than try to make that critique, seem to be deciding they don't want to do have a leg to stand on either and are going down this path. i think you can say that it is part -- it is in large part trump's fault, the entire tone of our politics has gone downward. there is choice the democrats have to make as to whether they combat it or -- >> you helped lead into michelle obama. today, who essentially pushes back at eric holder. take a listen. >> fear is not -- it is not a proper motivator. hope wins out. and if you think about how you want your kids to be raised, how you want them to think about life and their opportunities, do you want them afraid of their neighbors, angry, do you want them vengeful? as someone who is a role model to young girls, we want them to grow up with promise and hope

and we can't model something different if we want them to be better than that. >> there it is. no offense, i think she said it, as well as she did. >> she went full remesh. i am more of the go high mode than the kick them mode, but i think we really need to distinguish between what eric holder said and that democrats need to push back on line of attack. and arguments that the democrats are some kind of foaming mob while president trump is running rallies that look like mr. rogers' neighborhood reruns. i mean, come on. eric holder said something very mild and he said kick and then he explained he wasn't asking for anything inappropriate or anything else, and you compare that with the astonishing round of clips you have from president trump himself and it has continued as you showed through his presidency.

not just candidate trump. and so for republicans to be pretending that the democrats are the mob and for the democrats, even though i would like to see civility all around, to feel compelled to dial back in the face of that, i think it is a little galling. >> is it possible, and i had this debate in my own head all day today, maybe we're wrong. maybe the public wants a more brutal pugilistic politics. >> i think we're about to see it right now. probably in the primaries of 2020, you will see democrats saying, maybe i don't enjoy this, but you're running against donald trump, you have to have someone who will hit back harder than he does, who will say things that are worse than he is. and the problem here is that donald trump has been doing this all his life, he's so good at it that i think it is pretty unlikely that the democrat trying to play the part of trump is going to be able to respond. >> we know it is not going to be -- it is not likely to be an effective response because we saw donald trump's republican

opponents try to do it and lose constantly. >> angry ted cruz. angry marco rubio. >> and when marco rubio went as low as you could possibly go, it did not behoove him. >> he's been embarrassed about it ever since. >> exactly. nonetheless, i do think there is this urge for pugilistic response and somebody is going to have to figure out the way to look like he or she is pushing back without being dragged into the trumpian mud. >> i thought of something here with the -- we in the media like to play the shame police and i have no problem with that. i would like, you know, you want to say i'm biased toward civility, color me guilty. republicans don't care if the media is hammering -- democrats do care. >> good point. >> i think the republicans know this and they're almost trying to bait the democrats. >> you can see this is a live argument among democrats in -- >> it is. >> remember the joe biden remark about taking trump behind the

school. >> and punching him. >> he apologized for it, saying i shouldn't have done that. there is that ambivalence. >> when did donald trump ever apologize for saying something like that? >> the only time i can recall him apologizing is apologizing to judge kavanaugh. >> democratic mob. >> exactly. >> so sorry that mob attacked you. >> it is interesting, though, there is also a little bit of a difference in the democrats that want to fight and are, like, tired of playing by the old rules and the ones that don't. the obamas won. and they won basically on their terms. here's hillary clinton, who also has made some comments that the republicans are trying to use to create this narrative. take a listen. >> you cannot be civil with a political party that wants to destroy what you stand for, what you care about. that's why i believe if we are fortunate enough to win back the house and/or the senate, that's

when civility can start again. but until then, the only thing that the republicans seem to recognize and respect is strength. >> that's the all's fair argument, right? all's fair in love and war. >> and we were all here, many of us were here in 1998 when the clintons were fighting tooth and nail against the star investigation with just as long as we're revisiting, brett kavanaugh at kenneth starr's side, anyone who thinks politics and history are not cyclical -- >> not terribly civil questions. >> not civil questions at all about bill clinton's private behavior, which kavanaugh wrote for judge starr. >> we're seeing this play out in the midterms. i think it is interesting those that have embraced the trump style, arizona senate to me is the fascinating test case, because martha mcsally has upped her rhetoric, tougher rhetoric, knew she wasn't conservative enough, she upped her rhetoric.

above it all, it was working for a wall, pugilistic works for mcsally. i feel like the style is on the ballot in arizona. what do you think? >> i think that it also reflects the differenting back grounds of the candidates. kristen started out more left than she is now. she's trying to modulate. mcsally -- >> she used to be a centrist. >> right. everybody is putting on a hat than they're used to wearing. >> the arizona conservatives are the ones that -- she had two seriousish primary challengers. and, look, she won in part because there were two and not one of them. >> arizona is really interesting because of the fact that you have two candidates of the same gender, ie female, because i'm still trying to work through in my head how to think about the gender politics of this, particularly gender politics not just in that race, where you wash it out, however it works, but the possibility not just of hillary clinton versus donald trump, last time, but of a female candidate versus donald

trump. >> voters react differently, right, to women who let's look at -- brett kavanaugh screamed at us and it was he's defending himself, could justice -- could a -- could brenda kavanaugh have done that? >> i think we know the answer to that question and we any what would have happened had christine blasey ford sounded anything like what justice kavanaugh sounded like. and we saw this on display with hillary clinton and talk about screaming and shrieking and everything else. it is a fact of life of how people respond to female candidates and it is going to be another piece in the rubiks cube of figuring out how to win against donald trump in 2020. >> milittle historical perspecte here, is our politics any more pugilistic than it was 100 years ago? >> 100 years ago -- >> here comes the cane. >> there is a sense that

sometimes are we oversensitive? >> i think we're oversensitive because on the floor of congress, there were as ruth is saying, canes were used to beat fellow members and a lot of violence in early america. the difference is tv. candidates who were cool on tv were valued for most of the history of the time that politics has been done on television and tv debates. we're almost to the first time now where it may be an asset for, you know, look at donald trump and the presidential debates of 2016. we remember the number of people who said, anyone who behaved like trump, you know, the way he cowered behind hillary clinton, that was so ugly, he'll never be elected because a lot of people th shrank from that. >> who are the most popular people on reality tv shows of the cast, in the reality tv shows, who are the -- always the one that garner the most attention? >> omarosa? >> my point is the villains.

>> the tough ones. >> my point is, is it possible -- the question is who brought the reality show to politics, did trump bring it or the reality show come and then trump just sort of fell into it. and the villain is something that the tv spectacle rewards now rather than the cool, calm and collected. >> it also rewards a trump because that's the way he is, that's the way he's been his whole life. if we have got some marco rubio pretending to be like trump, doesn't work because he doesn't do it well and people see through it. you may see that in a number of these campaigns, and these people will basically cancel themselves out because people will say that guy or that woman is fake. >> can you be an optimistic jerk? >> i have to make the conservative or even reactionary point here, look, just norms are easier to break down than they are to build up. and cultures are easier to get to decline than to revive, right? you can do better over time and

we have in the past. we spend most of our last 130 years not caning each other on the floor. >> and, look, we got over mccarthyism. you're right, we can get better over time, but we have to hit a low. we revolt. >> we had a presidential campaign with discussions about penis size and supreme court confirmation with discussions about age of losie ining virgin norms. >> i miss norm from cheers as well. we're sticking around. up ahead, the aftermath of hurricane michael. people in the hardest hit areas are only beginning to survey the damage. democratic nominee for governor of florida andrew gillum is up next. only half the story? at t. rowe price our experts go beyond the numbers to examine investment opportunities firsthand. like e-commerce spurring cardboard demand. the pursuit of allergy-free peanuts.

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welcome back. north florida and the panhandle have never seen a storm as powerful as michael in recorded history. michael devastated places like mexico beach and panama city, florida, leaving behind twisted metal, tossed cars and capsized boats. as a category 4 when it made landfall, one most powerful hurricanes ever to hit the united states with category 5 andrew in 1992 rivalling it in recent decades. michael's damage in coastal communities is almost beyond comparison. and the storm still poses a big threat as it moves northeast through the carolinas which, of course, they're filled to the rim with water in so many of its creeks and rivers. at this hour, at least five people are dead and more than 800,000 people across the southeast, that's florida, georgia, the two carolinas,

alabama as well, without power. joining me now is the mayor of tallahassee, the democratic nominee for governor of florida as well, andrew gillum. >> i hope all is well. >> all is well with luckily my family that i have in pensacola. they lucked out. this storm took that right turn. let's talk about what you're dealing with in tallahassee and in some ways, i don't want to say you guys dodged it a bit, but i know you're serving more as a community helping out panama city and apalachicola. walk me through the tallahassee destruction. >> yeah. first, i got to say that our hearts here in my community go out to our friends and neighbors there to the west of tallahassee, leon county. we saw as their community was literally wiped away by water. water up to rooftops. you've seen all the images, you've shown them.

our challenge here was of a different nature, largely wind and rain, and my community we got about 50% tree cover, which means when the rain comes and that ground gets saturated, the wind knocks those trees over, we got thousands of trees down in my community, over 100,000 of our residents without power. we are experiencing a lot of work today to remove debris and trees from covered and impassable roads and we got our utility crews on the line trying to get power back restored. but the truth is that we're counting our blessings here in tallahassee. we know that it could have been much worse for us and when we see what happened to our friends and neighbors, we really are quite fortunate. >> you feel like you have an estimate of when you feel as if your city will be fully functioning again, with power, with cleared streets, you know, being able to reopen schools, all of those things, when do you feel like tallahassee can be back to work. is monday morning realistic? >> well, we're trying.

today, folks woke up to crews really saturating my city. we had prestaged over 100 utility line men, 6:00 this morning, they were out working on these polls. i went around and visited a couple today and throughout the day. the truth is, though, that because the impact to our grid system over 60% of the transmission lines were impacted. because of the damage south of us, our energy line to southern energy was cut off. it is important that we get that re-established because as you know, you can't have too much energy on a grid system or else more harm is caused, so we got to get that reconnection established. hard to give a hard estimate at this point, i will tell you damage was greater than hermine, we had 90% of our utility back up in 72 hours. we're hoping to beat that, but still waiting for estimates to come in. >> when will you feel comfortable going back on the campaign trail? >> well, i tell you, my first job is here as mayor of

florida's capital city. i was here and prepared to help the committee through the storm. i'll feel better when we have our folks connected to electric utilities. it will take some time getting debris removed and that kind of thing. once we got people their power back, i'll feel more comfortable getting back out on the trail campaigning. >> how do you feel about how they're leading the effort here? >> we have been in touch with folks from the white house. and everybody seems accommodating our requests. we tried to keep them down, understanding that the request to the west of us is much greater. anything we need, we're putting in the request and are hoping to get a good response. so i say we're working together right now. >> i want you to put your gubernatorial hat on for a moment when it comes to tyndall air force base. you and i -- you partially grew

up in miami, along with me and you moved from richmond heights just before andrew. homestead air force base was the heart of -- homestead air force base was the heart of the community down there. and andrew devastated it and it was always sort of teetering on the list of whether they were going to close it and it gets decimated, and they never really fully returned. i think there is a fear that somehow because of the devastation to tyndall this could become an excuse to, you know, shut down another base, florida has plenty of bases will be the argument perhaps, what are you going to do if elected governor to save tyndall. >> well, first of all, i hope that thought is not a serious one at the federal level. tyndall plays an incredibly important role not only to our national and international security, but to the economy of the western panhandle of the

state of florida. you've got a whole community that has grown up as a military support arm, if you will. the schools are filled with students whose patients are public servants and really given their you'll for our country. i hope we're just prognosticating and that is not a real possibility. i'll defend tyndall as an important instrument to the united states. >> there is a debate inside the democratic party and the democrats and republicans, which is the famous line that michelle obama said, when they go low, we go had high. and eric holder said, you know what, when they go low, we got to kick them. and there has been this back and forth debate. where do you sit on this? do you think democrats need to fight harder or do you still ascribe to the michelle obama line of when they go low, we go

high? >> well, i'll tell you, i'll quote my grandmama, she used to say never wrestle with a pig. you both get dirty but the pig likes it. i tried to ascribe that in my own political life and i realize this is a serious conversation for some. quite frankly at this time, we're focused on getting things restored. >> understand. mr. mayor, thank you for your time. good luck to everybody there. and we're all thinking about the big bend communities down there. thank you, sir. we should note that we also invited governor rick scott to be on the show today. but his office declined to make him available. up ahead, this storm came out of nowhere and rapidly turned into a monster. is this the new normal of how hurricanes could develop? we'll be right back.

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hurricane michael caused, i want to focus on how the storm happened in the first place, how michael strengthened from a tropical nothing to a near category 5 and essentially 72 hours. how it continued to intensify as it approached coast, which is not normally what happens to gulf storms, how it became the most powerful storm ever to hit the united states in the month of october. even perhaps most important how it may be just a matter of time before there is another michael, hurricane with a different name, but just as power ful and possibly jason, thank you for coming back. >> it is a pleasure. thank you. >> so i think the stunning thing is my -- we're still trying to grapple with the idea that michael was a category 3 when it hit georgia. meaning it had to travel quite a bit on land before hitting

georgia and hit as a category 3. walk us through how this went from essentially a tiny little low pressure system near the yucatan to what we are experiencing. >> sure. so this time of year, it is not uncommon at all to see these disturbances developing in the caribbean and they get drawn north towards the gulf of mexico where the water is very warm. and the question with this storm was never would it become a hurricane but how strong would it get, would it be able to tap into all of that warm water in the gulf of mexico. there were some impediments, some wind shear, which tends to disrupt thunderstorm development. you always have to be concerned about dry air which can disrupt hurricanes when they enter the gulf of mexico. but in this case, what happened was the wind shear relaxed. there wasn't dry air over the continental u.s. to disrupt the storm development. it was able to tap into all of that warm water over the gulf of

mexico, which by the way was 2 to 4 degrees warmer than normal and it just exploded right up until landfall. a lot of times with katrina, it was a category 5 over the central part of the gulf, but it weakened to three as it made landfall as it trained some of the dry air. remember how warm and humid it has been over the eastern u.s. in recent weeks. there wasn't a lot of dry air for the storm to weaken. >> but there was another part of gulf storms, i have family on the gulf side, grew up as a floridian, that because it is so shallow, at the end, it -- they almost always lose a little bit. they lose a little bit of water. this one didn't do that. >> right. it is unusual t was moving at a fast enough forward speed that it wasn't able to draw up some of the cooler water down at depth. it was able to just continually draw that shallower warm water, but moving more slowly, it may have weakened some.

but that didn't happen in this case. >> you just said that the gulf is two to four degrees warmer than it normally is. is this normal, is this now normal? we know we have an oceans warming trend, all part of the climate change discussion and issue. but is this an anomaly that can be explained by an el nino or la nina or one of those situations or is this part of the climate change issue? >> the gulf of mexico temperatures do vary from year to year, some years they're warmer than others. but we do see a climate change trend, super imposed on that. the gulf of mexico ocean temperatures have been warming over time and so i think it is a combination of the fact that, yes, we do have a warming trend as a result of greenhouse gas induced climate change and due to the fact that just due to natural oscillations, the water was warm at this time.

>> want to play something that craig fugate, the former head of fema, said a year ago when it came to this issue of storms, stronger storms that the united states coast was experiencing. take a listen. >> i'm tired of people debating climate change. it isn't about climate change anymore, it is about climate adaptation. we have to build for our future risk, our past is not the best indicator of what these risks have been. >> okay. do you buy what he said there and if so, what does that mean going forward? is the expectation that while we may have to know more or less hurricanes that each one of them is just stronger than what we're used to. i think fugate is right. one of the main reasons we see such a huge economic toll from these hurricanes when they make landfall is because we're building so much along the coast, the population is increasing along the coast there are more people, more property in harm's way. so irrespective of what you think about climate change, we

have to become more hurricane proof, we have to build smarter, we have to think about where we're building. so i think fugate is right about that. and if in fact climate change does intensify these storms, which is what the scientific community believes, the risks are only going to increase, and top of that, we have the sea level which is rising due to climate change. that means more coastal inundation when the storms come ashore. the storm is getting stronger, the sea level is rising, the fact that we have more people in harm's way for all of these reasons we definitely need to be thinking about adapting and being hardened from these storms. >> let me ask you something a little closer to home, there was a headline today, in your fine newspaper, it is day 136 of 80 degrees or higher in d.c., matching the most on record in a year. what do you make of it? how do you explain it? >> i edited that story, in fact. it is fascinating here in the d.c. area. we're seeing our heat extremes increase at a remarkable pace.

not only have we seen the most 80 degree highs this year, we also have seen the most nights in which the lows don't drop below 70. since 2010, we had our warmest years on record. we had our three hottest summers on record, we're seeing an increasing number of 90 degree days, 95 degree days. and we're seeing this not just in the summer, but in the winter, all throughout the year. we're seeing this in our backyard. not just climate change, it is urbanization here in the d.c. area. you have more asphalt, more concrete that holds in more heat. but there is almost certainly a climate change signal due to rising greenhouse gases on top of that, which is causing our area to warm and causing the whole globe to warm. >> jason, as i said, the capital weather gang you make following the weather both educational and have a little sugar with it too. you make the medicine go down easier with your fun takes every once in a while.

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welcome back. republicans are struggling to move the ball in big ten country despite seeing some surge in other parts of the country. our brand-new poll has wisconsin

democratic senator tammy baldwin up double digits against her republican opponent leah buckmer. in the gubernatorial race, we show democrats with a double digit lead, scott walker is trailing tony evers by ten points in his bid for a third term. we're well aware there is another state pollster that has walker up a point in a poll this week. we had walker down since july. we just have two different models we each use. we'll find out who's right on election day. same story in minnesota. our new poll shows democrats poised for big wins. we have them up double digits in both senate races and gubernatorial contest. both party committees have taken a pass on minnesota. two years after mr. trump came close to carrying the state, his approval rating is below 40. president trump's electoral victory was driven by success in big ten country. and the big ten west states.

the big blue wall, democrats were counting on, this week he was in iowa on tuesday, pennsylvania yesterday and tomorrow he's in ohio. all are states where president trump and the republican party are struggling in the midterms and all states that will be vital to any 2020 campaign. you can say with the stakes that high in big ten country, president trump can't afford to punt. we'll be back with more.

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of time. welcome back. time for the lid. panelists back. we're a long way since george bush didn't like -- >> a people. >> well, a lot of people have evolved politically. >> is that right? >> you see the president has that same look when he's getting an intelligence briefing in the oval office a little studious. >> a little more transfixed this time around. >> he has a sense -- the president one thing he has a sense of drama. he has a sense of what will get attention. he had been complaining earlier this week that he hasn't been having his rallies covered live. well, he got the attention back today, didn't he? >> i said this earlier today, when my grandkids ask me, granddad, what was the donald trump presidency like? this is a clip i might play. like this was emblematic. i think you can play this clip, ruth, for trump supporters.

they'd say we love it. this is every reason we love this guy and to trump detractors and say this is the reason i hate this guy. i think it's the ultimate rorschack test. >> you reminded me of george bush. i am reminded of a few bush moments. one bush moments when he got hammered in the hurricane for flying by looking out the window. we are in the middle of a hurricane right now. what do we have? total ignorance of it. total disdain for what's going on in the country while we have this side show. i also remember george w. bush talking about restoring dignity and honor to the oval office. what happened to that one? >> bush and obama, neither bush or a bowl would have done this in the oval office. someone brought up the last time there was a musician that had shall we say an interesting background, richard nixon hosted somebody like that. >> you took the words out of my

mouth. >> is this donald trump's elvis meets nixon moment? >> it sort of s. elvis came in december of 1970. i'm not sure he remembered the visit. he was not in the most alert state when he came in. but the photograph was taken. it's one of the signal moments of the richard nixon presidency. the question you ask is what is the celebrity doing? there is always a political motive. nixon at that time was trying to connect with the kind of -- >> the kids. >> connect with the kids, exactly, excellent nixon impersonation, by the way. also, country. you know, states that he was trying to connect with for 1972, but the more extreme version was, the fall of 1972, actually this week in october of 1972, guess who richard nixon had in the oval office and was photographed with? james brown. now, of all the people we could have imagined in the same room as richard nixon, it even outweighs what we saw today the

reason he was there, we were told if you want a landslide 1972, you have to do better among people and slightly better among african-americans, so almost by computer james brown was the name of -- you got these ridiculous pictures of nixon and james brown, both of them looking like they can't understand what they're doing and they probably didn't. >> by the way, show time produced this 20 years ago a fictional account in both of men's lives when elvis meets nixon. unbelievable. elvis teaching nixon how to sipping "my way." >> the best selling t-shirt of the two of them. it says the president and the king. >> i have to play this president obama byte. there is a part of me that can't help me understand what is motivating kanye? is it this? >> she she's seems like a perfectly good reason. why would he do that?

>> he's a jack- -- >> he was referring to the kanye taylor swift moment. another person that stepped into politics. is this just con aye and trump both seeking revenge on obama? >> it could be, of course. it's been reported that one of the reasons trump ran for president in the first place is he was so upset about president obama criticizing him rather savagely and humorously at a white house kosh correspondent dinner. the con aye west week, dualing amongst conservatives, they're critiqueing and saying it's stupid for us to listen to celebrities. >> he said that yesterday, right? that happened today? >> there is enormous envy of the left. because all the celebrities seem to be on the left. when there is a celebrity who isn't, there is this glaming on that happens. >> everybody loves james woods these days. >> i think your capacity of both president trump and kanye west

to hold a grudge. i'm a grudge holder, myself. so i guess i can't blame them. but that's a piece of what's going on here. >> it sounds right. >> yeah. there are days here like i can't believe i've seen this, oh, right, it's just thursday. michael, the book. "presiden "presidents of war." you broke news, please go get it. write some more books i will be promoting them. up ahead, roadtrip. i landed. i saw my leg did not look right. i was just finishing a ride.

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well, in case you missed it, "meet the press" daily is going cross country traveling to some of the most critical battleground states to hear from candidates and voters. so that means you can meet "meet the press daily." our first stop is in arizona where democrats are looking to flip a republican senate seat. maricopa county is one giant suburb these days, right? well, we have been doing the show live in phoenix at the vig arcadia. come watch. come cheer or jeer. make sure to arrive early. if you want to get a good seat. plus, we got swag for the first 50 people that show up. really cool swag. not the run of the mill stuff. after phoenix, it's vegas, baby. then we'll be in tampa. going to have some good cuban food there and dallas. if you live in those areas or few don't, follow our "meet the

press" twitter account for how to meet mtp daily in person. when we're out there, it will be fun hitting the most critical markets in the country. that's all we have for tonight. we will be back tomorrow with more mtp daily. >> good evening, chuck. thank you very much. we have a lot of news tonight. there is new reports in the past hour who president trump is eyeing to replace, potentially attorney general jeff sessions. plus the tweeting, trolling reality tv takeover of the oval office and which parts of it matter? that's not our part story tonight. later we will separate the signal from the noise. also new reporting about michael flynn and his dealings with the man that wanted to buy hillary clinton's stolen e-mails. we have all of that in our show. the top story, going to the mid-term polling that republicans and trumps are worried about losing the house to democrats. mid-term elections are base